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TH was unstoppable from day 1. SW has all of the physical attributes to be great, but TH was special, and it would be like lightning in a bottle for SW to be that good.

(10-04-2017 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  TH was unstoppable from day 1. SW has all of the physical attributes to be great, but TH was special, and it would be like lightning in a bottle for SW to be that good.

There is no argument about TH, so let me put this another way then.
We are discussing pro contracts.

Steve Williams has already exhibited poise to the level that likely cannot be taught. He indeed has all the physical tools, being bigger, faster, and stronger than TH was at this point.
With that said, if SW develops from here, he would not need the extraordinary instincts (and likely no ODU QB will ever have) of TH in order to play on Sunday.

A lot can happen in 4 years, not the least of which is injury. Peaking early physically and/or mentally can also be problematic. Players can just fizzle.

However, IMHO, of all the QBs we have had so far, given his early poise, seeming intelligence, and because of his physical attributes, I consider Williams the most likely to actually play on Sunday, more even than TH who may or may not ever play on Sunday..

(10-04-2017 01:37 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  TH was unstoppable from day 1. SW has all of the physical attributes to be great, but TH was special, and it would be like lightning in a bottle for SW to be that good.

There is no argument about TH, so let me put this another way then.
We are discussing pro contracts.

Steve Williams has already exhibited poise to the level that likely cannot be taught. He indeed has all the physical tools, being bigger, faster, and stronger than TH was at this point.
With that said, if SW develops from here, he would not need the extraordinary instincts (and likely no ODU QB will ever have) of TH in order to play on Sunday.

A lot can happen in 4 years, not the least of which is injury. Peaking early physically and/or mentally can also be problematic. Players can just fizzle.

However, IMHO, of all the QBs we have had so far, given his early poise, seeming intelligence, and because of his physical attributes, I consider Williams the most likely to actually play on Sunday, more even than TH who may or may not ever play on Sunday..

I can see where you are coming from, but I think we are miles away from having enough evidence to come to that conclusion yet. Frankly, he hasn't had a good statistical game yet, even though I agree that he has looked like someone who will be exceptionally good.

Given the choices, anyone should pick Heinicke as the higher probability of playing on Sunday. It really shouldn't even be close. One is a 17 year old freshman with 1 start and the other is on a practice squad and has performed well in exhibition contests.

Lol at the Heinicke/Williams comparisons. Hard to comment, but never say never.

But back to Washington...could this be a Warren Moon type path to pro football stardom? As I said, never say never.

(10-04-2017 02:03 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 01:37 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  TH was unstoppable from day 1. SW has all of the physical attributes to be great, but TH was special, and it would be like lightning in a bottle for SW to be that good.

There is no argument about TH, so let me put this another way then.
We are discussing pro contracts.

Steve Williams has already exhibited poise to the level that likely cannot be taught. He indeed has all the physical tools, being bigger, faster, and stronger than TH was at this point.
With that said, if SW develops from here, he would not need the extraordinary instincts (and likely no ODU QB will ever have) of TH in order to play on Sunday.

A lot can happen in 4 years, not the least of which is injury. Peaking early physically and/or mentally can also be problematic. Players can just fizzle.

However, IMHO, of all the QBs we have had so far, given his early poise, seeming intelligence, and because of his physical attributes, I consider Williams the most likely to actually play on Sunday, more even than TH who may or may not ever play on Sunday..

I can see where you are coming from, but I think we are miles away from having enough evidence to come to that conclusion yet. Frankly, he hasn't had a good statistical game yet, even though I agree that he has looked like someone who will be exceptionally good.

Agreed.
It is difficult to compare though, and this is all hypothetical as to potential anyway.
TH had better pass blocking than SW has so far. (DW didn't have the pass blocking that TH had either)
TH had better receivers (relatively speaking Mayers included). So far SW has none of the caliber of Mayers, Vaughan, Pinkard, Pascal or Duhart, let alone some of them at the same time (season)

'78, Heinicke threw balls with such accuracy that WRs just couldn't drop them. All they had to do was run the route, put their hands out and trust that the ball would get there--and it did. He was amazing across the field and even moreso hitting sideline patterns and corners of the endzone.

But with that said, can you give us a little more breakdown of this new kid's lenthy reach and passing point of release? That sports science is good stuff to me.

And where is my cheers emoji??

(10-04-2017 02:23 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  '78, Heinicke threw balls with such accuracy that WRs just couldn't drop them. All they had to do was run the route, put their hands out and trust that the ball would get there--and it did. He was amazing across the field and even moreso hitting sideline patterns and corners of the endzone.

But with that said, can you give us a little more breakdown of this new kid's lenthy reach and passing point of release? That sports science is good stuff to me.

And where is my cheers emoji??

Sarcasm noted, again.

However, you can see it here. Quick release and a 55 yards in the air opening highlight.
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/3000559/583...gle.com%2F

A 16 year old HS QB in pads that can throw a seemingly effortless 55 yards in the air and on the money in a game.

Dayum

This topic has veered from DW, but I thought this might be a good place to bring this up since the discussion is about the professional aspirations of SW. Being left-handed in baseball is great, but left-handed in football not so much. Not that it is a distinct disadvantage, but it does take some getting used to for the receivers. I played tight end in HS and had a left-handed quarterback one year. The spin and general path of the ball are different. Being left-handed myself I may have noticed this more. Like I said, not a distinct disadvantage but takes getting used to. The problem is the NFL has more of a bias against lefties than you might think. Teams are less willing to take a lefty as a backup or project if their starter is righty. Check out this bleacher report article.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27128...uarterback

Even if he ends up being as good as TH, SW will have a tough time breaking into the pros.

(10-04-2017 04:38 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  This topic has veered from DW, but I thought this might be a good place to bring this up since the discussion is about the professional aspirations of SW. Being left-handed in baseball is great, but left-handed in football not so much. Not that it is a distinct disadvantage, but it does take some getting used to for the receivers. I played tight end in HS and had a left-handed quarterback one year. The spin and general path of the ball are different. Being left-handed myself I may have noticed this more. Like I said, not a distinct disadvantage but takes getting used to. The problem is the NFL has more of a bias against lefties than you might think. Teams are less willing to take a lefty as a backup or project if their starter is righty. Check out this bleacher report article.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27128...uarterback

Even if he ends up being as good as TH, SW will have a tough time breaking into the pros.

That never occurred to me.
Good post.

(10-04-2017 10:12 AM)FantomVII Wrote:  Mentioned in the Monarchs playing PRO thread:

DW has signed with Winnipeg Blue Bombers in the CFL, per Coach Whitcomb:

https://twitter.com/ronwhitcomb/status/9...9794402305

Happy for him, but noticed that, according to the article, the team has three active QB's and signed another one to the practice squad. So he is one of five QB's on active and practice squad, that seems a lot.

(10-04-2017 07:04 PM)NC ODUFan Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 10:12 AM)FantomVII Wrote:  Mentioned in the Monarchs playing PRO thread:

DW has signed with Winnipeg Blue Bombers in the CFL, per Coach Whitcomb:

https://twitter.com/ronwhitcomb/status/9...9794402305

Happy for him, but noticed that, according to the article, the team has three active QB's and signed another one to the practice squad. So he is one of five QB's on active and practice squad, that seems a lot.

Well, he's got his foot in the door. Lets hope he makes it a touch decision on who to keep. They could also see what he can do as a WR while he's there.