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BYU's best move might be to try to make a pitch to the CFP w/AAC.

BYU-FB + AFA-FB + AAC = CFP Contract conference. The P6 we have all been talking about.

It wouldn't be the PAC but it would give them the access they need.

Colorado State I think is going to be looking on the outside on this because the AAC no longer needs a 12th in basketball with the Wichita State addition.
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(07-05-2017 12:01 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Right or wrong, BYU will not get into a P5 league, due to their status a church school as it stands now on LGBT issues (imo they will get a revelation and change, just like they did when the heat was on for blacks). I don't even think it is a lock they could even get back in the MW due to them enraging many of their former conference mates due to their arrogance and dirty play.

Yup. BYU's sponsoring religion, culture, and geography are likely to keep the school out of the PAC, B12, or any other P5 conference.

But, like the MWC's sponsor Motel 6, Commissioner Thompson has "left the light on" for BYU. Besides the commissioner's open invitation, all one needs to do is look at BYU's schedules and recent bowl affiliations and it is clear that BYU would have the votes necessary to rejoin the MWC. (though there's little hope for the BYU-back-to-the-MWC movement).
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(07-05-2017 11:26 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 03:42 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  PS- Do you think OU and Texas want their soccer, volley ball, etc. teams traveling all over the East half of of the US. Get real.

It doesn't seem to bother Notre Dame. They ship those teams all over the western half of the country too.

Notre Dame is a whole lot closer to the East Coast than Austin, Texas.

Where does Notre Dame ship their soccer and volley ball teams ALL OVER THE WESTERN HALF OF THE country??
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(07-04-2017 08:07 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Dennis Dodd opines that Baylor will be excluded from the P5 in the next realignment. Not that he thinks it will be only 64 in the new P4, but Baylor, Kansas, KSU, ISU will be possibly out while BYU and a few others will go up. Heard his interview on College Sports (XM).

Dennis Dodd is a troll from Missouri who constantly puts out idioitic stuff on the Big 12 and its schools. Not worth clicking on.

Kansas being left out just makes it obvious that he is nothing but a troll.
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(07-04-2017 10:53 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 09:52 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Baylor wouldn't get picked up by the PAC-12, ACC, SEC or B1G. There's too much radioactivity around not just their athletic program right now, but their institution as well. IMO, Houston has a very realistic shot at getting a call-up and taking their place.

I think Dodds is wrong about Kansas. Kansas will absolutely have interest from all four remaining power conferences. The SEC would be an intriguing option, for it would help them elevate basketball, and it would pair them again with Missouri. The B1G will always be there, because of their location and AAU. The PAC-12 would be interesting, as getting them into a basketball conference with UCLA and Arizona would get more eyeballs during the Winter. The ACC may be a long-shot, both because of geography, lack of big-time football, and less desire to improve basketball, but I still think there would be some interest there (especially if it gets a Texas or Oklahoma there too).

Kansas heavily investing in their football stadium is no mistake either. That is a calculated plan in order to prepare them for a move to another conference.

I think that one can see the value placed upon basketball schools by looking at where the best program in the last 20 years (by far) is.....the G5. No takers for UConn. Even in an environment where lots of schools were looked at and taken and the P5 was expanding.

The candidacy of Kansas and UConn is, and will be even more over time, different.

Between now and 2025, Kansas will be making $35 million annually from its Big 12 TV contract whereas UConn will be making anywhere from $1.7 to (optimally) $8 million (likely around $5 to $6 million). Within that time frame, Kansas is guaranteed of making $280 million. UConn is guaranteed $5.1 million from its TV deal through 2020, along with another $10 million this coming year from separation fees (last year before those funds dry up). From 2021-23, assuming UConn is not in a Power Conference, UConn will make somewhere between the $15 to $24 million annually from the new AAC TV deal. If you add it all up, it's $280 million to (at maximum) $40 million from TV revenue alone. That's seven times the revenue in under a decade. Heck, if you want to throw in the buy games that UConn is currently pursuing for $2 million annually starting in 2021, you can still throw in an extra $6 million and it still isn't even close.

Why does this matter? Because Kansas will be heavily investing in its program, strengthening its candidacy while still a member of the P5. UConn, which - by that point - will have spent 10 years attempting to get back into the power conference structure, while still member of the G5. This also doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of all of UConn's local rivals - Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers - all earning extravagantly more revenue annually. With Kansas, all of their geographic rivals are on equal footing, since all of them are still in power conferences.

It's an apples to oranges comparison. 07-coffee3

Kansas has a long history. UConn was FBS until about 15 years ago. Its not a comparison. Kansas also finished in the top 10 in 2007, as well as 1994. Probably the majority of the P5 can't claim two top 10 finishes in the last 25 years and many have none.
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(07-05-2017 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:53 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 09:52 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Baylor wouldn't get picked up by the PAC-12, ACC, SEC or B1G. There's too much radioactivity around not just their athletic program right now, but their institution as well. IMO, Houston has a very realistic shot at getting a call-up and taking their place.

I think Dodds is wrong about Kansas. Kansas will absolutely have interest from all four remaining power conferences. The SEC would be an intriguing option, for it would help them elevate basketball, and it would pair them again with Missouri. The B1G will always be there, because of their location and AAU. The PAC-12 would be interesting, as getting them into a basketball conference with UCLA and Arizona would get more eyeballs during the Winter. The ACC may be a long-shot, both because of geography, lack of big-time football, and less desire to improve basketball, but I still think there would be some interest there (especially if it gets a Texas or Oklahoma there too).

Kansas heavily investing in their football stadium is no mistake either. That is a calculated plan in order to prepare them for a move to another conference.

I think that one can see the value placed upon basketball schools by looking at where the best program in the last 20 years (by far) is.....the G5. No takers for UConn. Even in an environment where lots of schools were looked at and taken and the P5 was expanding.

The candidacy of Kansas and UConn is, and will be even more over time, different.

Between now and 2025, Kansas will be making $35 million annually from its Big 12 TV contract whereas UConn will be making anywhere from $1.7 to (optimally) $8 million (likely around $5 to $6 million). Within that time frame, Kansas is guaranteed of making $280 million. UConn is guaranteed $5.1 million from its TV deal through 2020, along with another $10 million this coming year from separation fees (last year before those funds dry up). From 2021-23, assuming UConn is not in a Power Conference, UConn will make somewhere between the $15 to $24 million annually from the new AAC TV deal. If you add it all up, it's $280 million to (at maximum) $40 million from TV revenue alone. That's seven times the revenue in under a decade. Heck, if you want to throw in the buy games that UConn is currently pursuing for $2 million annually starting in 2021, you can still throw in an extra $6 million and it still isn't even close.

Why does this matter? Because Kansas will be heavily investing in its program, strengthening its candidacy while still a member of the P5. UConn, which - by that point - will have spent 10 years attempting to get back into the power conference structure, while still member of the G5. This also doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of all of UConn's local rivals - Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers - all earning extravagantly more revenue annually. With Kansas, all of their geographic rivals are on equal footing, since all of them are still in power conferences.

It's an apples to oranges comparison. 07-coffee3

Kansas has a long history. UConn was FBS until about 15 years ago. Its not a comparison. Kansas also finished in the top 10 in 2007, as well as 1994. Probably the majority of the P5 can't claim two top 10 finishes in the last 25 years and many have none.


Last 10 years 35 of current P5 has a top 10 finish. 21 of current P5 plus Boise have multiple.

Will get last 25 years today.
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(07-05-2017 06:54 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:49 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Dodd is only stating the obvious--there is absolutely nothing profound here. Texas and Oklahoma are guaranteed spots in another Power 5 if they want to leave. Kansas has pretty good chances too. Texas Tech and Oklahoma St have modest chances of being able to tag along with their instate rivals. As for the rest--Kansas St, Iowa St, WVU, TCU, and Baylor don't have a whole lot to offer the Power 4.

While the scandals at Baylor have been bad for the Bears' public image it certainly hasn't changed the reality that already existed.

I used to think Baylor's only hope was the ACC. The ACC has a bunch of private schools, including a baptist school in Wake Forest. Baylor never had a chance at the Big 10 (no research), SEC (already has A&M) or Pac 12 (religion).

But the Bears' tenure in the Big 12 is just awful. In the last 10 years, two presidents had to resign due to major athletic scandals! Who does that? Now I think the ACC would pass.

***********

As a Houston fan, we have to wait for Texas to make a long term commitment. No conference will take Houston while Texas is potentially available.

But our value goes way up for whoever loses the "Texas Derby." I think a Houston/TCU pairing would be very attractive to the ACC or Pac 12. Easy access. Huge media/recruiting markets.

Wake Forest is no longer associated with the Baptist Church BTW
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(07-05-2017 04:01 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(07-05-2017 06:54 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:49 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Dodd is only stating the obvious--there is absolutely nothing profound here. Texas and Oklahoma are guaranteed spots in another Power 5 if they want to leave. Kansas has pretty good chances too. Texas Tech and Oklahoma St have modest chances of being able to tag along with their instate rivals. As for the rest--Kansas St, Iowa St, WVU, TCU, and Baylor don't have a whole lot to offer the Power 4.

While the scandals at Baylor have been bad for the Bears' public image it certainly hasn't changed the reality that already existed.

I used to think Baylor's only hope was the ACC. The ACC has a bunch of private schools, including a baptist school in Wake Forest. Baylor never had a chance at the Big 10 (no research), SEC (already has A&M) or Pac 12 (religion).

But the Bears' tenure in the Big 12 is just awful. In the last 10 years, two presidents had to resign due to major athletic scandals! Who does that? Now I think the ACC would pass.

***********

As a Houston fan, we have to wait for Texas to make a long term commitment. No conference will take Houston while Texas is potentially available.

But our value goes way up for whoever loses the "Texas Derby." I think a Houston/TCU pairing would be very attractive to the ACC or Pac 12. Easy access. Huge media/recruiting markets.

Wake Forest is no longer associated with the Baptist Church BTW

This is correct. The ACC currently has zero institutions that are strongly affiliated with any religion and has none that discriminate.
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(07-05-2017 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:53 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 09:52 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Baylor wouldn't get picked up by the PAC-12, ACC, SEC or B1G. There's too much radioactivity around not just their athletic program right now, but their institution as well. IMO, Houston has a very realistic shot at getting a call-up and taking their place.

I think Dodds is wrong about Kansas. Kansas will absolutely have interest from all four remaining power conferences. The SEC would be an intriguing option, for it would help them elevate basketball, and it would pair them again with Missouri. The B1G will always be there, because of their location and AAU. The PAC-12 would be interesting, as getting them into a basketball conference with UCLA and Arizona would get more eyeballs during the Winter. The ACC may be a long-shot, both because of geography, lack of big-time football, and less desire to improve basketball, but I still think there would be some interest there (especially if it gets a Texas or Oklahoma there too).

Kansas heavily investing in their football stadium is no mistake either. That is a calculated plan in order to prepare them for a move to another conference.

I think that one can see the value placed upon basketball schools by looking at where the best program in the last 20 years (by far) is.....the G5. No takers for UConn. Even in an environment where lots of schools were looked at and taken and the P5 was expanding.

The candidacy of Kansas and UConn is, and will be even more over time, different.

Between now and 2025, Kansas will be making $35 million annually from its Big 12 TV contract whereas UConn will be making anywhere from $1.7 to (optimally) $8 million (likely around $5 to $6 million). Within that time frame, Kansas is guaranteed of making $280 million. UConn is guaranteed $5.1 million from its TV deal through 2020, along with another $10 million this coming year from separation fees (last year before those funds dry up). From 2021-23, assuming UConn is not in a Power Conference, UConn will make somewhere between the $15 to $24 million annually from the new AAC TV deal. If you add it all up, it's $280 million to (at maximum) $40 million from TV revenue alone. That's seven times the revenue in under a decade. Heck, if you want to throw in the buy games that UConn is currently pursuing for $2 million annually starting in 2021, you can still throw in an extra $6 million and it still isn't even close.

Why does this matter? Because Kansas will be heavily investing in its program, strengthening its candidacy while still a member of the P5. UConn, which - by that point - will have spent 10 years attempting to get back into the power conference structure, while still member of the G5. This also doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of all of UConn's local rivals - Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers - all earning extravagantly more revenue annually. With Kansas, all of their geographic rivals are on equal footing, since all of them are still in power conferences.

It's an apples to oranges comparison. 07-coffee3

Kansas has a long history. UConn was FBS until about 15 years ago. Its not a comparison. Kansas also finished in the top 10 in 2007, as well as 1994. Probably the majority of the P5 can't claim two top 10 finishes in the last 25 years and many have none.

They were FCS, or as us normies call it 1-AA, until 17 years ago. Big difference.
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(07-05-2017 05:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-05-2017 04:01 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(07-05-2017 06:54 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:49 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Dodd is only stating the obvious--there is absolutely nothing profound here. Texas and Oklahoma are guaranteed spots in another Power 5 if they want to leave. Kansas has pretty good chances too. Texas Tech and Oklahoma St have modest chances of being able to tag along with their instate rivals. As for the rest--Kansas St, Iowa St, WVU, TCU, and Baylor don't have a whole lot to offer the Power 4.

While the scandals at Baylor have been bad for the Bears' public image it certainly hasn't changed the reality that already existed.

I used to think Baylor's only hope was the ACC. The ACC has a bunch of private schools, including a baptist school in Wake Forest. Baylor never had a chance at the Big 10 (no research), SEC (already has A&M) or Pac 12 (religion).

But the Bears' tenure in the Big 12 is just awful. In the last 10 years, two presidents had to resign due to major athletic scandals! Who does that? Now I think the ACC would pass.

***********

As a Houston fan, we have to wait for Texas to make a long term commitment. No conference will take Houston while Texas is potentially available.

But our value goes way up for whoever loses the "Texas Derby." I think a Houston/TCU pairing would be very attractive to the ACC or Pac 12. Easy access. Huge media/recruiting markets.

Wake Forest is no longer associated with the Baptist Church BTW

This is correct. The ACC currently has zero institutions that are strongly affiliated with any religion and has none that discriminate.

Boston College? Notre Dame? Neither do discriminate, that point you are correct.

Syracuse and Duke are former Methodist Universities.
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(07-05-2017 03:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-05-2017 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:53 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 09:52 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Baylor wouldn't get picked up by the PAC-12, ACC, SEC or B1G. There's too much radioactivity around not just their athletic program right now, but their institution as well. IMO, Houston has a very realistic shot at getting a call-up and taking their place.

I think Dodds is wrong about Kansas. Kansas will absolutely have interest from all four remaining power conferences. The SEC would be an intriguing option, for it would help them elevate basketball, and it would pair them again with Missouri. The B1G will always be there, because of their location and AAU. The PAC-12 would be interesting, as getting them into a basketball conference with UCLA and Arizona would get more eyeballs during the Winter. The ACC may be a long-shot, both because of geography, lack of big-time football, and less desire to improve basketball, but I still think there would be some interest there (especially if it gets a Texas or Oklahoma there too).

Kansas heavily investing in their football stadium is no mistake either. That is a calculated plan in order to prepare them for a move to another conference.

I think that one can see the value placed upon basketball schools by looking at where the best program in the last 20 years (by far) is.....the G5. No takers for UConn. Even in an environment where lots of schools were looked at and taken and the P5 was expanding.

The candidacy of Kansas and UConn is, and will be even more over time, different.

Between now and 2025, Kansas will be making $35 million annually from its Big 12 TV contract whereas UConn will be making anywhere from $1.7 to (optimally) $8 million (likely around $5 to $6 million). Within that time frame, Kansas is guaranteed of making $280 million. UConn is guaranteed $5.1 million from its TV deal through 2020, along with another $10 million this coming year from separation fees (last year before those funds dry up). From 2021-23, assuming UConn is not in a Power Conference, UConn will make somewhere between the $15 to $24 million annually from the new AAC TV deal. If you add it all up, it's $280 million to (at maximum) $40 million from TV revenue alone. That's seven times the revenue in under a decade. Heck, if you want to throw in the buy games that UConn is currently pursuing for $2 million annually starting in 2021, you can still throw in an extra $6 million and it still isn't even close.

Why does this matter? Because Kansas will be heavily investing in its program, strengthening its candidacy while still a member of the P5. UConn, which - by that point - will have spent 10 years attempting to get back into the power conference structure, while still member of the G5. This also doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of all of UConn's local rivals - Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers - all earning extravagantly more revenue annually. With Kansas, all of their geographic rivals are on equal footing, since all of them are still in power conferences.

It's an apples to oranges comparison. 07-coffee3

Kansas has a long history. UConn was FBS until about 15 years ago. Its not a comparison. Kansas also finished in the top 10 in 2007, as well as 1994. Probably the majority of the P5 can't claim two top 10 finishes in the last 25 years and many have none.


Last 10 years 35 of current P5 has a top 10 finish. 21 of current P5 plus Boise have multiple.

Will get last 25 years today.

49 of the 65 P5 schools have finished in the top 10 in the AP poll in the last 25 years
40 of the 65 P5 schools have 2 or more top 10 finishes in the AP poll in the last 25 years + Boise
32 of the 65 P5 schools have 3 or more top 10 finishes in the AP poll in the last 25 years + Boise


Kentucky and Indiana are the only P5 schools without a Top 25 Final Poll finish in last 25 years.
Others have at least one (with highest final ranking)

Wake Forest 18
Duke 23
NCSU 12
Pitt 15
Virginia 22

Iowa State 25
Texas Tech 18

Illinois 12
Maryland 11
Minnesota 18
Purdue 13
Rutgers 12


Vanderbilt 23
Miss State 11

UNLV and New Mexico are the only Mountain West schools without a Top 25 finish.
Sun Belt has never had one.
AAC is missing 5, MAC missing 7, CUSA missing 11 of current lineup
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(07-05-2017 10:47 AM)YNot Wrote:  BYU's home attendance (about 60K per game) still falls in the top half of the P5 attendance numbers every year. Most years, BYU's attendance would be top-3 in the B12 and top-5 in the PAC.

EDIT: And BYU basketball attendance (about 15-16K per game - playing a WCC schedule) is usually in the top 10 or 15. That's top 3 or 4 in most P5 conferences. It would be #1 in PAC, #2 in B12 (behind Kansas), #2 in SEC (behind Kentucky), #4 in ACC (behind Syracuse, Louisville, and North Carolina), #4 in B1G (behind Indiana, Wisconsin, and Ohio St.).

People seem to forget how good BYU basketball is. Probably because they haven't made a final four.
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(07-05-2017 06:10 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-05-2017 03:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-05-2017 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:53 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think that one can see the value placed upon basketball schools by looking at where the best program in the last 20 years (by far) is.....the G5. No takers for UConn. Even in an environment where lots of schools were looked at and taken and the P5 was expanding.

The candidacy of Kansas and UConn is, and will be even more over time, different.

Between now and 2025, Kansas will be making $35 million annually from its Big 12 TV contract whereas UConn will be making anywhere from $1.7 to (optimally) $8 million (likely around $5 to $6 million). Within that time frame, Kansas is guaranteed of making $280 million. UConn is guaranteed $5.1 million from its TV deal through 2020, along with another $10 million this coming year from separation fees (last year before those funds dry up). From 2021-23, assuming UConn is not in a Power Conference, UConn will make somewhere between the $15 to $24 million annually from the new AAC TV deal. If you add it all up, it's $280 million to (at maximum) $40 million from TV revenue alone. That's seven times the revenue in under a decade. Heck, if you want to throw in the buy games that UConn is currently pursuing for $2 million annually starting in 2021, you can still throw in an extra $6 million and it still isn't even close.

Why does this matter? Because Kansas will be heavily investing in its program, strengthening its candidacy while still a member of the P5. UConn, which - by that point - will have spent 10 years attempting to get back into the power conference structure, while still member of the G5. This also doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of all of UConn's local rivals - Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers - all earning extravagantly more revenue annually. With Kansas, all of their geographic rivals are on equal footing, since all of them are still in power conferences.

It's an apples to oranges comparison. 07-coffee3

Kansas has a long history. UConn was FBS until about 15 years ago. Its not a comparison. Kansas also finished in the top 10 in 2007, as well as 1994. Probably the majority of the P5 can't claim two top 10 finishes in the last 25 years and many have none.


Last 10 years 35 of current P5 has a top 10 finish. 21 of current P5 plus Boise have multiple.

Will get last 25 years today.

49 of the 65 P5 schools have finished in the top 10 in the AP poll in the last 25 years
40 of the 65 P5 schools have 2 or more top 10 finishes in the AP poll in the last 25 years + Boise
32 of the 65 P5 schools have 3 or more top 10 finishes in the AP poll in the last 25 years + Boise


Kentucky and Indiana are the only P5 schools without a Top 25 Final Poll finish in last 25 years.
Others have at least one (with highest final ranking)

Wake Forest 18
Duke 23
NCSU 12
Pitt 15
Virginia 22

Iowa State 25
Texas Tech 18

Illinois 12
Maryland 11
Minnesota 18
Purdue 13
Rutgers 12


Vanderbilt 23
Miss State 11

UNLV and New Mexico are the only Mountain West schools without a Top 25 finish.
Sun Belt has never had one.
AAC is missing 5, MAC missing 7, CUSA missing 11 of current lineup

New Mexico surprises me a little. They had some pretty solid seasons in the late 90s/early 00s. The AAC with 5 missing surprises me as well - I'd think around 2-3.
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While it is clearly possible I missed someone, I couldn't find, in the last 25 years a final top 25 finish for:

East Carolina
Temple
SMU
Memphis
UConn

Both Temple and UConn had seasons where they were ranked before the bowls, lost and dropped out of the Top 25

If I had gone back one more year, East Carolina finished 9th after the 1991 season

Adding 10 more years adds top 10 finishes for ECU, SMU (twice), Air Force and Illinois (twice) and top 20 finishes for Kentucky and Indiana
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(07-04-2017 10:49 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Dodd is only stating the obvious--there is absolutely nothing profound here. Texas and Oklahoma are guaranteed spots in another Power 5 if they want to leave. Kansas has pretty good chances too. Texas Tech and Oklahoma St have modest chances of being able to tag along with their instate rivals. As for the rest--Kansas St, Iowa St, WVU, TCU, and Baylor don't have a whole lot to offer the Power 4.

While the scandals at Baylor have been bad for the Bears' public image it certainly hasn't changed the reality that already existed.

True. Baylor wasn't on anybody's list when the Big 12 was in danger of not existing.
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(07-05-2017 12:26 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BYU-FB + AFA-FB + AAC = CFP Contract conference. The P6 we have all been talking about.

I get the pitch, and you might even be "right" ... but the people with the money just don't want to pay you. Simple as that. And I think they'd be just fine living without your content, if it came down to it.
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At least coach Ruhle will get his money, deservedly so.
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(07-05-2017 09:43 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-05-2017 09:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(07-05-2017 09:30 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-05-2017 12:28 AM)Groo Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 08:40 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  No - Birmingham is not more important than New York City

And no, Kansas will not be left out

Dodds is a missouri grad. His opinion on KU is biased at best.

Just his opinion on KU?

I think he represents a low point for sports journalism myself.

Being in a small populated state, not very strong blue blood in football and being an AAU school may not be enough to get into another conference. UConn. is an AAU type school, but they are not wanted anywhere right now. Kansas is on the edge with Iowa State right now.

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Look at UConn. A power in basketball does not mean you get an auto-bid into the other 4 conference. Football is the key driver for expansion, and Kansas does not have football to even be consider for an expansion. They will be on the outside looking in like the rest of the Big 12 who are not Texas or Oklahoma.
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Kansas has a higher probability of getting into another power conference over UConn because of its geography and its AAU status. Due to its location, it could be considered for the PAC, SEC or B1G. UConn is in a corner, literally, in the Northeast and really only has two realistic long-term options in the B1G and the ACC - and they aren't AAU, despite any academic rankings they carry.

The other reality is that for every year in the AAC for UConn, is another year removed from being in a power conference. Look at what that did for programs like TCU, SMU and Houston after being in the SWC. The longer you are out, the harder it is to get back in. At least Kansas is in today, which gives them a greater opportunity of staying in, rather than trying to fight to get back in.
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(07-06-2017 12:23 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Kansas has a higher probability of getting into another power conference over UConn because of its geography and its AAU status. Due to its location, it could be considered for the PAC, SEC or B1G. UConn is in a corner, literally, in the Northeast and really only has two realistic long-term options in the B1G and the ACC - and they aren't AAU, despite any academic rankings they carry.

The other reality is that for every year in the AAC for UConn, is another year removed from being in a power conference. Look at what that did for programs like TCU, SMU and Houston after being in the SWC. The longer you are out, the harder it is to get back in. At least Kansas is in today, which gives them a greater opportunity of staying in, rather than trying to fight to get back in.

I agree for the most part. There does seem to be a race for New England / Northeast and the ACC is kicking butt. With Boston College having some kind of feud with Connecticut, the B1G is in no hurry to bring in Connecticut. I think they'll eventually fall into the B1G or ACC but it could be a long, long time...if ever. If I'm wrong which is possible, I'd prefer them in the Big East.
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