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RE: Odds of playing college sports out of highschool
My son was planning to play soccer at a D3, but dropped off the roster to have more fun. I don't know how much he was influenced by the prospects,of,riding the bench most of,the time.
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The most surprising thing about that report to me is that it says 225,000 high school students are playing golf.
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RE: Odds of playing college sports out of highschool
Those numbers need to be posted on the fences and walls of every high school and youth sports venue in the country. Between their own rose-colored glasses and "all-star" leagues blowing smoke up their behinds to keep the money flowing, way too many parents think their kid has a legit chance at a college scholarship, and get militant about it when they think the high school Junior attends is doing any minuscule thing that they perceive as harming the kid's chances in any way, shape, or form.

If only 1 out 10 or so kids is going to make it, a) there's a good chance your kid isn't the 1 in the first place, and b) even if he is, any decisions the school or state makes should by all means be based upon what's best for the 90% of athletes who won't be playing on, not the slim minority who will.
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(07-04-2017 06:29 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  For whatever it's worth, if you are a starter in high school, you can likely play D3. The costs of attending a D3 school are usually not worth extending the playing time but most can play. We had guys on my HS team who barely lettered that ended up playing D3 football.

The chart from the original link shows that only 8% of all high school football starters play any kind of college football though; that's D1, D2, D3, NAIA, and NJCAA combined. So I'm not following what you base your analysis on. If it really is based on just your one school, I think you need to look a little further.

I understand that some guys who play multiple sports in high school almost always end up choosing just one sport in college, so there may be some overlap with HS football players who might play baseball, basketball, or something else in college instead. But even if we work under the assumption that every HS football starter will actually choose football for college, rather than another sport, I can't see the number jumping from 8% to anything more than maybe 40-45%.

Maybe you graduated from a regional football powerhouse where a much higher percentage than normal go on to play college football at various levels, as we have a few of those in Texas to be sure (national powerhouses even). But nationally, I can't see it going above 45% given the low 8% figure provided on the link, and I think 45% is probably even a pretty liberal estimate.

He meant probably could play but it's really not worth the time at that level. In other words they just aren't choosing to play. So because a lot of "better" players are deciding not to bother with D3 what happens is that D3 teams get filled with a lot of scrubs that just want to say they played college ball.

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(07-07-2017 08:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 03:03 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  As a final retort, I invite you to look at the numbers in black & white, offered by the link. There are 1,122,024 kids who play HS football, and there are 90,136 who play college football (which again represents D1, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, and "Other" combined). In other words, there are about 12.4 high school football players for every college football player, meaning there's NO WAY nearly any HS football player can play D3. At a 12:1 ratio, only the best of the HS players could make the cut.

There's a clear distinction between scholarship athletics and non-scholarship athletics. While the former is an easy to sell commodity, the latter requires folks to buy in to paying to play (very hard sell). If you want to discuss the low ratio of athletes who get their college paid for through athletics, you won't get any argument from me.

But the D3 numbers only tell you how many accepted the opportunity to play in college. It doesnt calculate at all how many declined that opportunity. I, like many others, decided attending a bigger state college (at the fraction of the cost) was much better fit than extending an average athletic career at a small private school like Randolph Macon or Shenandoah.

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Raise fencers(nearly a third fence in college, more than half of that D1) or gymnasts(one fifth compete in college, the majority of that D1).
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(07-07-2017 08:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 03:03 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  As a final retort, I invite you to look at the numbers in black & white, offered by the link. There are 1,122,024 kids who play HS football, and there are 90,136 who play college football (which again represents D1, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, and "Other" combined). In other words, there are about 12.4 high school football players for every college football player, meaning there's NO WAY nearly any HS football player can play D3. At a 12:1 ratio, only the best of the HS players could make the cut.

There's a clear distinction between scholarship athletics and non-scholarship athletics. While the former is an easy to sell commodity, the latter requires folks to buy in to paying to play (very hard sell). If you want to discuss the low ratio of athletes who get their college paid for through athletics, you won't get any argument from me.

But the D3 numbers only tell you how many accepted the opportunity to play in college. It doesnt calculate at all how many declined that opportunity. I, like many others, decided attending a bigger state college (at the fraction of the cost) was much better fit than extending an average athletic career at a small private school like Randolph Macon or Shenandoah.

A large number of D3 kids are offered scholarships, just not athletic schollies. IIRC (in my fried old brain), I was offered something like a "leadership scholarship" (trying to recall, that might not be the exact title) for wrestling from a D3 school. I declined because I enjoyed playing roundball more than wrestling (was offered a D2 scholly in that sport).
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(07-08-2017 02:52 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 08:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 03:03 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  As a final retort, I invite you to look at the numbers in black & white, offered by the link. There are 1,122,024 kids who play HS football, and there are 90,136 who play college football (which again represents D1, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, and "Other" combined). In other words, there are about 12.4 high school football players for every college football player, meaning there's NO WAY nearly any HS football player can play D3. At a 12:1 ratio, only the best of the HS players could make the cut.

There's a clear distinction between scholarship athletics and non-scholarship athletics. While the former is an easy to sell commodity, the latter requires folks to buy in to paying to play (very hard sell). If you want to discuss the low ratio of athletes who get their college paid for through athletics, you won't get any argument from me.

But the D3 numbers only tell you how many accepted the opportunity to play in college. It doesnt calculate at all how many declined that opportunity. I, like many others, decided attending a bigger state college (at the fraction of the cost) was much better fit than extending an average athletic career at a small private school like Randolph Macon or Shenandoah.

A large number of D3 kids are offered scholarships, just not athletic schollies. IIRC (in my fried old brain), I was offered something like a "leadership scholarship" (trying to recall, that might not be the exact title) for wrestling from a D3 school. I declined because I enjoyed playing roundball more than wrestling (was offered a D2 scholly in that sport).

I was offered something similar for football, but even with those offers I would have paid more to play. All but one D3 school in Virginia is private and even that lone private is much more costly than the other publics. Add in the ability to work while not playing sports, and the disparity gets larger. Just wasn't the right choice for me.
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(07-08-2017 07:46 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 02:52 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 08:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 03:03 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  As a final retort, I invite you to look at the numbers in black & white, offered by the link. There are 1,122,024 kids who play HS football, and there are 90,136 who play college football (which again represents D1, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, and "Other" combined). In other words, there are about 12.4 high school football players for every college football player, meaning there's NO WAY nearly any HS football player can play D3. At a 12:1 ratio, only the best of the HS players could make the cut.

There's a clear distinction between scholarship athletics and non-scholarship athletics. While the former is an easy to sell commodity, the latter requires folks to buy in to paying to play (very hard sell). If you want to discuss the low ratio of athletes who get their college paid for through athletics, you won't get any argument from me.

But the D3 numbers only tell you how many accepted the opportunity to play in college. It doesnt calculate at all how many declined that opportunity. I, like many others, decided attending a bigger state college (at the fraction of the cost) was much better fit than extending an average athletic career at a small private school like Randolph Macon or Shenandoah.

A large number of D3 kids are offered scholarships, just not athletic schollies. IIRC (in my fried old brain), I was offered something like a "leadership scholarship" (trying to recall, that might not be the exact title) for wrestling from a D3 school. I declined because I enjoyed playing roundball more than wrestling (was offered a D2 scholly in that sport).

I was offered something similar for football, but even with those offers I would have paid more to play. All but one D3 school in Virginia is private and even that lone private is much more costly than the other publics. Add in the ability to work while not playing sports, and the disparity gets larger. Just wasn't the right choice for me.

Yeah, I gotcha. I remember being under the impression I was being offered a full ride but then again, it was an extremely short discussion because my mind was already firmly made up and my plans did not involve any college at all at that time, including the hoops offer. I did end up playing semi-pro baskets for $1150/mo a couple of years later though (which wasn't TOO horrible in '83-'84). No regrets whatsoever. 04-cheers
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There's nothing worse than a 13 year old, 5'3 kid with 5'6 parents tell me he's gonna give up baseball and/or football to "concentrate" on basketball. Blows me away that kids don't want to enjoy high school sports. Play em all!
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Too many parents and kids think D1 is the only option. Most don't realize that D1 is more of a job and minor sports athletes don't get full rides. The coaches have to divide up the monies hey are given and provide partial scholarships to everyone on the team, or most. Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't want my kid to play a D1 sport. Whose it for anyway, the kid or his parents?
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I think the biggest lesson in this thread is that putting all your eggs in the sports basket and letting the academic basket wane is a dangerous prospect. If you keep the academic side strong you can at least go to college. If you only concentrate on sports, the odds are heavily against you getting a free ride to college, and then you are left with nothing. Parents that allow that scenario to happen are even more guilty than the kids.

This is why it's so disgusting when athletes get a pass on grades because they are athletes. It is such a disservice to the kid. Making him earn the grade will also make him a better athlete in the long run. Once they go down the path of everything being handed to them on a silver platter because of a game, about the only thing they will ever be capable of is playing that game.

And, even if they are one of the lucky ones that has the right combination of skill and talent to make it to D1 and professional sports, those are short-lived careers. You end up unleashing a person on society with no way to be productive past their career. And for someone who makes league minimums for 3-4 years and then out, they still have to make a living for the next 50-60 years. There aren't enough spokesman and sportscast jobs to go around.
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(07-07-2017 10:17 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  Those numbers need to be posted on the fences and walls of every high school and youth sports venue in the country. Between their own rose-colored glasses and "all-star" leagues blowing smoke up their behinds to keep the money flowing, way too many parents think their kid has a legit chance at a college scholarship, and get militant about it when they think the high school Junior attends is doing any minuscule thing that they perceive as harming the kid's chances in any way, shape, or form.

If only 1 out 10 or so kids is going to make it, a) there's a good chance your kid isn't the 1 in the first place, and b) even if he is, any decisions the school or state makes should by all means be based upon what's best for the 90% of athletes who won't be playing on, not the slim minority who will.

Rice coaches tweet these stats, along with the % that go pro. It always amazed me when a Rice athlete told me he thought he would go pro and he wasn't even all conference. So it's not like it's just HS kids that are delusional.
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(07-14-2017 02:01 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 10:17 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  Those numbers need to be posted on the fences and walls of every high school and youth sports venue in the country. Between their own rose-colored glasses and "all-star" leagues blowing smoke up their behinds to keep the money flowing, way too many parents think their kid has a legit chance at a college scholarship, and get militant about it when they think the high school Junior attends is doing any minuscule thing that they perceive as harming the kid's chances in any way, shape, or form.

If only 1 out 10 or so kids is going to make it, a) there's a good chance your kid isn't the 1 in the first place, and b) even if he is, any decisions the school or state makes should by all means be based upon what's best for the 90% of athletes who won't be playing on, not the slim minority who will.

Rice coaches tweet these stats, along with the % that go pro. It always amazed me when a Rice athlete told me he thought he would go pro and he wasn't even all conference. So it's not like it's just HS kids that are delusional.

Why 1k college kids transfer every season, even the number 12 or 13th player on the team thinks they are going pro....Hell at WKU we had a kid announce on Twitter with a full page posted on he was transferring and saying how excited he was for the next journey, this was a walk on and a kid who never practiced or played a minute at WKU03-lmfao03-lmfao...I guarantee this kid thinks he's going pro one day and just hasn't got the chance yet to show everyone......A lot of kids and even scrub players on your favorite team in CUSA really do think they are good enough to go pro but just not getting the chance...

I think its more of a reflection/summary in todays world in which we live in, in which everyone gets a participation trophy and sports at age 5 are played competitive like they are going for the World Series championship...Saw it firsthand coaching my sons little baseball team last 3 seasons, its ridiculous and whey I am done coaching..These parents and coaches take the fun out of anything a kid plays nowadays...Feel sorry for a lot of these kids when they are burned out of sports by age 10....Parents will get what's coming to them and most are in a rude awakening when they see at age 15 everyone else catches up to their kid and he's not as good as they thought he was when he was dominating baseball age 5-13...
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