Controversy aside, wasn't it great having a good boxing on cable tv on a Saturday night? Ratings seem to support this:
ESPN PR Verified account @ESPNPR 2h2 hours ago
ESPN’s telecast of the “Battle of Brisbane” cable's highest-rated, most-watched boxing telecast since 2006 http://es.pn/2t9HRWc
As far as the fight, I thought Pac won, but that is was closer than what the announcers and Stephen A. thought. And Horn was the more aggressive for more of the fight, and in surprise decisions, the aggresor is usually the winner.
(07-03-2017 02:55 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Stats aren't infallible but the discrepancy is too great here.
I can't understand.
1) Are you basing this solely on the compubox "stats" and the discrepancy listed there?
2) If so, did you heed my advice and watch Round 1 (clearly a Horn win) and count his punches landed and then compare it to the compubox "numbers?"
3) Spoiler alert: compubox has Manny landing more punches in that round. No one with any sense has Manny winning that round (hell, even Teddy Atlas had Horn). So who is right, common sense or compubox?
(07-03-2017 03:14 PM)Tigx Wrote: Controversy aside, wasn't it great having a good boxing on cable tv on a Saturday night? Ratings seem to support this:
ESPN PR Verified account @ESPNPR 2h2 hours ago
ESPN’s telecast of the “Battle of Brisbane” cable's highest-rated, most-watched boxing telecast since 2006 http://es.pn/2t9HRWc
As far as the fight, I thought Pac won, but that is was closer than what the announcers and Stephen A. thought. And Horn was the more aggressive for more of the fight, and in surprise decisions, the aggresor is usually the winner.
Absolutely. Aggressiveness and "ring generalship" are two of the standards for judges to award rounds to a fighter.
Yeah, I think boxing could win back a lot of fans with having some real name fights back on free tv.
I was lucky enough to be able to watch Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Tyson, Pernell, Meldrick, and those guys almost all on either Wide World of Sports or ESPN for free.
(07-03-2017 07:14 PM)450bench Wrote: Pacquiao was robbed...again...it was a good fight, no question, but Pacquiao won...most everyone agrees, outside of the 3 judges, I guess
You are using no logic.
Can you admit that Horn very well could have won 1, 6, 10, and 12?
If so, that's 4 rounds.
2 and 11 could have very well been logical calls for Horn.
That is 6 rounds in which a person with a reasonable mind could say, yeah, I didn't see it that way, BUT it isn't out of the question he won all those rounds.
If that's the case, the narrative he was "robbed" is moot.
(07-03-2017 07:14 PM)450bench Wrote: Pacquiao was robbed...again...it was a good fight, no question, but Pacquiao won...most everyone agrees, outside of the 3 judges, I guess
You are using no logic.
Can you admit that Horn very well could have won 1, 6, 10, and 12?
If so, that's 4 rounds.
2 and 11 could have very well been logical calls for Horn.
That is 6 rounds in which a person with a reasonable mind could say, yeah, I didn't see it that way, BUT it isn't out of the question he won all those rounds.
If that's the case, the narrative he was "robbed" is moot.
He was robbed, period. Horn won 1, 6 and 10. That's it. Pacquiao was never hurt and won the 9th 10-8. Most agree with that "logic." Any "logic" points to just that. If you think I'm alone in that opinion then you would be mistaken.
(This post was last modified: 07-04-2017 06:32 PM by 450bench.)
(07-03-2017 07:14 PM)450bench Wrote: Pacquiao was robbed...again...it was a good fight, no question, but Pacquiao won...most everyone agrees, outside of the 3 judges, I guess
You are using no logic.
Can you admit that Horn very well could have won 1, 6, 10, and 12?
If so, that's 4 rounds.
2 and 11 could have very well been logical calls for Horn.
That is 6 rounds in which a person with a reasonable mind could say, yeah, I didn't see it that way, BUT it isn't out of the question he won all those rounds.
If that's the case, the narrative he was "robbed" is moot.
He was robbed, period. Horn won 1, 6 and 10. That's it. Pacquiao was never hurt and won the 9th 10-8. Most agree with that "logic." Any "logic" points to just that. If you think I'm alone in that opinion then you would be mistaken.
(07-03-2017 07:14 PM)450bench Wrote: Pacquiao was robbed...again...it was a good fight, no question, but Pacquiao won...most everyone agrees, outside of the 3 judges, I guess
You are using no logic.
Can you admit that Horn very well could have won 1, 6, 10, and 12?
If so, that's 4 rounds.
2 and 11 could have very well been logical calls for Horn.
That is 6 rounds in which a person with a reasonable mind could say, yeah, I didn't see it that way, BUT it isn't out of the question he won all those rounds.
If that's the case, the narrative he was "robbed" is moot.
He was robbed, period. Horn won 1, 6 and 10. That's it. Pacquiao was never hurt and won the 9th 10-8. Most agree with that "logic." Any "logic" points to just that. If you think I'm alone in that opinion then you would be mistaken.
Oh, Horn totally won 12, too. Likely 2 and 11. Maybe 5 and 7 too.
You just want to argue to argue, and that's fine. Horn was declared the winner, which is a complete joke. Most feel the same way I do. Nothing can be done about it, so it is what it is. It is, however, ridiculous.
(07-03-2017 07:14 PM)450bench Wrote: Pacquiao was robbed...again...it was a good fight, no question, but Pacquiao won...most everyone agrees, outside of the 3 judges, I guess
You are using no logic.
Can you admit that Horn very well could have won 1, 6, 10, and 12?
If so, that's 4 rounds.
2 and 11 could have very well been logical calls for Horn.
That is 6 rounds in which a person with a reasonable mind could say, yeah, I didn't see it that way, BUT it isn't out of the question he won all those rounds.
If that's the case, the narrative he was "robbed" is moot.
He was robbed, period. Horn won 1, 6 and 10. That's it. Pacquiao was never hurt and won the 9th 10-8. Most agree with that "logic." Any "logic" points to just that. If you think I'm alone in that opinion then you would be mistaken.
Boxing has been one of my favorite sports all of my life. I started boxing at age 5. After 10's of thousands of rounds watched, I can count on one hand the number of 10-8 rounds given when there is no knockdown. It is very, very, very, very rare that a judge will give a 10-8 round without a knockdown. I have seen hundreds of worse beatings without a knockdown that did not result in a 10-8 round. Other than Atlas and that idiot Steven A. Smith, no one would have scored it a 10-8 round.
Here is a comment I read from a 2013 fight that I like and kind of sums it up...
Personally i don't like them. If you stay on your feet in the face of an onslaught you deserve to keep the extra point Imo. Equally if you fail to knock a guy down when he is hurt then you shouldn't be awarded the extra point. Just my opinion but i want my scoring to reflect the rules as closely as possible...
(This post was last modified: 07-04-2017 11:35 PM by memtigbb.)
(07-03-2017 07:14 PM)450bench Wrote: Pacquiao was robbed...again...it was a good fight, no question, but Pacquiao won...most everyone agrees, outside of the 3 judges, I guess
You are using no logic.
Can you admit that Horn very well could have won 1, 6, 10, and 12?
If so, that's 4 rounds.
2 and 11 could have very well been logical calls for Horn.
That is 6 rounds in which a person with a reasonable mind could say, yeah, I didn't see it that way, BUT it isn't out of the question he won all those rounds.
If that's the case, the narrative he was "robbed" is moot.
He was robbed, period. Horn won 1, 6 and 10. That's it. Pacquiao was never hurt and won the 9th 10-8. Most agree with that "logic." Any "logic" points to just that. If you think I'm alone in that opinion then you would be mistaken.
Oh, Horn totally won 12, too. Likely 2 and 11. Maybe 5 and 7 too.
You just want to argue to argue, and that's fine. Horn was declared the winner, which is a complete joke. Most feel the same way I do. Nothing can be done about it, so it is what it is. It is, however, ridiculous.
No.
You are the one who is arguing. You refuse to make any concessions and steadfastly hold onto the "robbed" narrative.
I could see Manny as the winner; however, I see a path to victory for Horn.
Like I have noted, I think Horn won 1, 6, 10, and 12. I think he also leaned on 2 and 11. Thats a draw at worst.
I saw 8 and 9 as the only clear rounds for Paq, so basically rounds 3,4,5,7, and 11 were all close enough rounds that most smart people could at least get how the other fighter could have won the round.
(07-02-2017 12:03 AM)450bench Wrote: Manny Pacquiao just beat the crap out of Jeff Horn in Australia, Horn's home country, and LOST a unanimous decision to the guy.
Absolute robbery. Geez...pathetic
if manny had won there would be no rematch. its a profit deal......the same schmucks that paid to watch this "fight" will pay for the rematch now.
(07-02-2017 12:03 AM)450bench Wrote: Manny Pacquiao just beat the crap out of Jeff Horn in Australia, Horn's home country, and LOST a unanimous decision to the guy.
Absolute robbery. Geez...pathetic
if manny had won there would be no rematch. its a profit deal......the same schmucks that paid to watch this "fight" will pay for the rematch now.
It was on ESPN. It wouldn't have sold anything on PPV so they gave it for free. Now that he lost, it might generate PPV interest. Either way, Pac's last PPV only sold 250k.
(07-02-2017 12:03 AM)450bench Wrote: Manny Pacquiao just beat the crap out of Jeff Horn in Australia, Horn's home country, and LOST a unanimous decision to the guy.
Absolute robbery. Geez...pathetic
if manny had won there would be no rematch. its a profit deal......the same schmucks that paid to watch this "fight" will pay for the rematch now.
It was on ESPN. It wouldn't have sold anything on PPV so they gave it for free. Now that he lost, it might generate PPV interest. Either way, Pac's last PPV only sold 250k.
didn't know that.
I used to be a big boxing fan. too many instances like this ruined it for me.
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