Brilliant piece by Andrew McCarthy, former federal prosecutor.

Quote:The latest ‘bombshell’ tells us more about media bias than about election meddling

So here’s the latest big “collusion” story that has been, er, broken by the Wall Street Journal.

About ten days before he died in mid-May, an 81-year-old man who did not work for the Trump campaign told the Journal he had speculated that, but did not know whether, 33,000 of Hillary Clinton’s e-mails had been hacked from her homebrew server. The now-deceased man, “a longtime Republican opposition researcher” named Peter W. Smith, had theorized that the e-mails must have been stolen, “likely by Russian hackers.” But he had no idea if this was actually so, and he himself certainly had nothing to do with stealing them.

Smith’s desire to obtain the hacked emails, if there were any, peaked around Labor Day 2016 — i.e., during the last weeks of the campaign. This was many months after the FBI had taken physical custody of Clinton’s homebrew server and other devices containing her e-mails. It was also two months after the Bureau’s then-director, James Comey, had told the country that the FBI had found no evidence that Clinton had been hacked . . . but that her carelessness about communications security, coupled with the proficiency of hackers in avoiding detection, meant her e-mails could well have been compromised throughout her years as secretary of state.

In other words, Peter W. Smith was one of about 320 million people in the United States who figured that Clinton’s e-mails had been hacked — by Russia, China, Iran, ISIS, the NSA, the latest iteration of “Guccifer,” and maybe even that nerdy kid down at Starbucks with “Feel the Bern” stickers on his laptop.

Besides having no relationship with Trump, Smith also had no relationship with the Russian regime. Besides not knowing whether the Clinton e-mails were actually hacked, he also had no idea whether the Kremlin or anyone close to Vladimir Putin had obtained the e-mails. In short, he wouldn’t have been able to tell you whether Trump and Putin were colluding with each other because he wasn’t colluding with either one of them.

But — here comes the blockbuster info — Smith was colluding with Michael Flynn. Or at least he kinda, sorta was . . . except for, you know, the Journal’s grudging acknowledgement that, well, okay, Smith never actually told the paper that Flynn was involved in what the report calls “Smith’s operation.”

Huh?

If you’re confused, I’d ordinarily suggest that you go back and read the report a time or two. But life is short and rereading would not much clarify this spaghetti bowl hurled against the wall, in the hope that some of the Flynn sauce might stick.

Keep reading here....

But Mach says this is a "direct connection." That's more important than the facts.

This whole thing just gets curiouser and curiouser. Will the democrats at some point admit that they don't have anything?

(07-01-2017 12:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But Mach says this is a "direct connection." That's more important than the facts.

This whole thing just gets curiouser and curiouser. Will the democrats at some point admit that they don't have anything?

Well, he has been right about everything so far, hasn't he.

(07-01-2017 01:03 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 12:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But Mach says this is a "direct connection." That's more important than the facts.

This whole thing just gets curiouser and curiouser. Will the democrats at some point admit that they don't have anything?

Well, he has been right about everything so far, hasn't he.

Don't blame him.

It's MUH J3ST3R!!!

80% sure that's what it is.

(07-01-2017 12:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But Mach says this is a "direct connection." That's more important than the facts.

This whole thing just gets curiouser and curiouser. Will the democrats at some point admit that they don't have anything?

If -- and ONLY if -- they do badly in the midterm elections next year, will they let go of this. And even then, they still won't admit that it was all about nothing. This is an article of faith with them. They will tell each other "Collusion" stories around the campfire for the rest of their lives. The only question now is whether the rest of us are going to have to listen to them, too. That question won't be answered until November 6, 2018 at the earliest or November 3, 2020, at the latest.

none of this matters....

it's simple smoke and mirrors from the dipshites.....

what's not being acknowledged is how the right better fuycking get this shite right or we're all fyucked....

disclaimer: most righties on this board are excluded in sentiment...I'm just more direct....lol....

(07-01-2017 04:14 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  none of this matters....
it's simple smoke and mirrors from the dipshites.....
what's not being acknowledged is how the right better fuycking get this shite right or we're all fyucked....
disclaimer: most righties on this board are excluded in sentiment...I'm just more direct....lol....

This.

What is going to happen is that when the conspiracy theories crater, republicans are going to have a one-time opportunity either

1) to get things fixed and be the party in power for a while, or
2) not to and deal with the political consequences that will not be good.

Based on what I've seen so far, my strong expectation is that they will screw it up. And the consequences if they screw it up--turning thing over to the socialist/communist democrats--will not be good for any of us.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-tr...-7?ref=yfp

(07-01-2017 06:20 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-tr...-7?ref=yfp

did a 3rd grader piece meal that guy together.....

[seriously] Mach.....go have a drink or 20......

(07-01-2017 12:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But Mach says this is a "direct connection." That's more important than the facts.

This whole thing just gets curiouser and curiouser. Will the democrats at some point admit that they don't have anything?

No. Like with Hillary...they tend to put all their eggs in one basket....regardless of how rotten the eggs are. Then they simply tell their sycophants that rotten eggs smell great.

(07-01-2017 04:14 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  none of this matters....

it's simple smoke and mirrors from the dipshites.....

what's not being acknowledged is how the right better fuycking get this shite right or we're all fyucked....

disclaimer: most righties on this board are excluded in sentiment...I'm just more direct....lol....

(07-01-2017 01:15 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 01:03 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 12:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But Mach says this is a "direct connection." That's more important than the facts.

This whole thing just gets curiouser and curiouser. Will the democrats at some point admit that they don't have anything?

Well, he has been right about everything so far, hasn't he.

Don't blame him.

It's MUH J3ST3R!!!

80% sure that's what it is.

but, but, but "his laptop" is in the spy museum.

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(07-01-2017 04:01 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 12:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But Mach says this is a "direct connection." That's more important than the facts.

This whole thing just gets curiouser and curiouser. Will the democrats at some point admit that they don't have anything?

If -- and ONLY if -- they do badly in the midterm elections next year, will they let go of this. And even then, they still won't admit that it was all about nothing. This is an article of faith with them. They will tell each other "Collusion" stories around the campfire for the rest of their lives. The only question now is whether the rest of us are going to have to listen to them, too. That question won't be answered until November 6, 2018 at the earliest or November 3, 2020, at the latest.

They won't do well in the midterms. This is going to backfire. Big league.

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http://www.dailyinterlake.com/article/20.../170709980

History lesson-Democrats tried the same smear on Ike, while decrying the McCarthyite tactics they use today:

"The �witch hunt� under way in Washington, D.C., where every flag-waving liberal in Washington, D.C., is looking for Russian �collusion� throughout the Trump administration, is not exactly new.
In fact, it was another Republican who was the subject of a similar witch hunt in 1952 (and throughout his two terms as president). Dwight D. Eisenhower, the five-star general who was Allied commander in Europe during World War II, was targeted both by Democrats and by fellow Republicans for being too cozy with communists....

In 1952, the Democratic candidate, Adlai Stevenson, said of Ike and his allies, �They are apparently willing even today to let Europe collapse. But something more than blustering words is necessary to block the Kremlin plan for world dominion.�
Kind of reminiscent of the attack on Trump for his insistence that our NATO partners carry their own weight (and honor their own commitment!) as we face off against Russia in the 21st century.
Even President Truman, who in 1948 asked Eisenhower to run for president (with Truman demoting himself to vice president), could not tolerate the Republican version of Eisenhower when he ran against Stevenson.
In a visit to Cumberland, Maryland, on Oct. 23, 1952, Truman lashed out at Republicans, including Eisenhower:
�Today, freedom of thought and freedom of speech are under attack in our country. They are being attacked by the planned and deliberate use of lies, slanders and fear. A little group of people are using these weapons, on a wide scale, in an attempt to attain public office. They want to make it dangerous for anyone to express opinions different from theirs. They try to destroy the reputation of any man in public or private life who dares to stand up and oppose them.�
Truman referred to the �despicable �back street� type of campaign, which usually, if exposed in time, backfires.� He said that type of smear campaign was �of a form and pattern designed to undermine and destroy the public faith and confidence in the basic American loyalty of a well-known figure.�..."

(07-01-2017 06:20 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-tr...-7?ref=yfp

Quote:with access to the 33,000 emails Clinton deleted from her private server that she said were personal in nature.

While Smith cited a working relationship with Flynn's consulting firm, Flynn Intel Group, when trying to recruit new team members, the Journal could not verify whether Flynn knew what Smith was doing, or if he knew him at all.

Two things-

A. These "personal e-mails" were yoga classes, wedding plans (what Mother doesn't rush to delete their daughters wedding plans) and the 2 emails bubba sent in his entire life, so who cares?!? What's to hide?

2. The Journal "could not verify whether Flynn knew what Smith was doing, or if he knew him at all."

MUH DIRECT LINK!!!

He doesn't know him or know what he was doing, but he's clearly COLLUDING!!!

Weak doesn't even describe this.

Damn. So much winning.

(07-02-2017 08:23 AM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.dailyinterlake.com/article/20.../170709980

History lesson-Democrats tried the same smear on Ike, while decrying the McCarthyite tactics they use today:

"The �witch hunt� under way in Washington, D.C., where every flag-waving liberal in Washington, D.C., is looking for Russian �collusion� throughout the Trump administration, is not exactly new.
In fact, it was another Republican who was the subject of a similar witch hunt in 1952 (and throughout his two terms as president). Dwight D. Eisenhower, the five-star general who was Allied commander in Europe during World War II, was targeted both by Democrats and by fellow Republicans for being too cozy with communists....

In 1952, the Democratic candidate, Adlai Stevenson, said of Ike and his allies, �They are apparently willing even today to let Europe collapse. But something more than blustering words is necessary to block the Kremlin plan for world dominion.�
Kind of reminiscent of the attack on Trump for his insistence that our NATO partners carry their own weight (and honor their own commitment!) as we face off against Russia in the 21st century.
Even President Truman, who in 1948 asked Eisenhower to run for president (with Truman demoting himself to vice president), could not tolerate the Republican version of Eisenhower when he ran against Stevenson.
In a visit to Cumberland, Maryland, on Oct. 23, 1952, Truman lashed out at Republicans, including Eisenhower:
�Today, freedom of thought and freedom of speech are under attack in our country. They are being attacked by the planned and deliberate use of lies, slanders and fear. A little group of people are using these weapons, on a wide scale, in an attempt to attain public office. They want to make it dangerous for anyone to express opinions different from theirs. They try to destroy the reputation of any man in public or private life who dares to stand up and oppose them.�
Truman referred to the �despicable �back street� type of campaign, which usually, if exposed in time, backfires.� He said that type of smear campaign was �of a form and pattern designed to undermine and destroy the public faith and confidence in the basic American loyalty of a well-known figure.�..."

amen to that.....

irony for the hollywood cucks.....o' brother where art thou was written about this by the brothers that were once 'male'.... oopsy, that's the wachoskis....same thingy....

this is just too much fun......

[serious] it's hardly a coincidence that Ike is my fave in modern times (and I was barely a thought that only saw tissue at that point )

I can't help myself at times....