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(07-02-2017 11:54 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  We would get an invite to the AAC if Cincinnati left the AAC and the AAC was left with an odd number of members. But we're not accepting it unless the AAC improves its TV deal.

Our record attendance is 25.9k set against New Mexico State however we've been averaging 23-24k for Saturday home football games for years now. Midweek games pull our average down to 21k. Some of the better support numbers that you'll find outside of the AAC. Regardless the primary interest here is for our basketball and all our football has to be is decent (hasn't had a losing season since 2008).

For the B12 that would require expanding to 32,000 for it, however that is quite doable and our program could handle that capacity. For the AAC our present capacity is fine. Again B12 would require UC to move to the AAC for some reason and the B12 being desperate for teams but it's a theoretical target for us.

UC is on an island now, if they go they aren't adding OU unless they have to backfill four or five. Athens is seven hours from the closest current school and is well over an hour from John Glenn Airport with no market except for a few small towns in southern Ohio, your football and basketball teams are fine but nothing remarkable. Your fan support is also fine enough but really only good by MAC standards.

And you need to be committed if you think the Big 12 is a possible target. They'd take any current AAC team before you, and they're not doing that anyways with Houston or UC so why'd they do that with you?
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C-USA. Long-term, the Big12 will disintegrate, and reconstitute with AAC and MWC schools, after losing Texas, Oklahoma, and probably Kansas and WVU too.

Houston, BYU, Cincy, and UConn are the obvious replacements, but in what order, and what criteria? These things don't move fast. Texas or Oklahoma will start, and the other would announce an impending move within a year. This would reverberate all the way down to the Sun Belt.

This is when you're glad C-USA is at 14 members. The Big 12's stature will take a huge hit when UT and OU leave and some would label them 'G6'. How it rebuilds would determine the makeup of every conference under it. And it could be vastly different depending on who announces first.
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(07-02-2017 12:30 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 12:07 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 11:07 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 12:37 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 12:20 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Ohio is refusing now to join the AAC unless the media deal is greatly enhanced.

I didn't know Ohio had received an offer.

We've been in talks on and off for 5 years.

In 2012 we won the Independence Bowl and lost in the Sweet 16 to North Carolina in overtime. That was right as the Big East/AAC was facing their membership crisis. The AAC is primarily interested in our basketball (13,000 seat arena).

Last year when the AAC was looking at a potential raid they met with Ohio's BOD. The response from the Ohio's side was "we want to see how the TV deal goes first". We have a good travel situation in the MAC and don't want to give that up unless its going to make a huge difference.

I'm sure the AAC has had these conversations with BODs of other schools (SoMiss, WKU come to mind) so there isn't really anything special about this.

Very interesting. Can you link me to where you learned this?

PM you later.

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stugray, i got ? for u
Do you think MWC has to get into Tex
UTEP & UTSA could be graped now
see how B-12 -AAC playout
Hous-SMU would be nice
Rice-No Tex would work
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(07-02-2017 08:00 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Here are a few schools that I think could make a P5 conference if they invested a lot of money.

Underdogs that could make P5:
Buffalo: AAU school in New York. Need new football and basketball arena. All need to start hockey up. If they could build a nice 50000 person on campus stadium and get attendance up they have an outside shot at joining Big Ten.

Rice: Another AAU school. Need to improve basketball similar to what SMu did. Have a shot at Big 12 and PAC 12

UAB: The City of Birmingham is growing like crazy. If UAB could rebrand as Birmingham (similar to Charlotte). Have the city build a nice 50000 person stadium for the blazers and the Birmingham bowl they would be set. On top of that build a new basketball arena. The basketball culture is there just need to get football going. They could have an outside shot to the ACC if schools like Clemson, GA Tech, and FSU start complaining about northern growth and no new southern teams being added.

UNLV: New football stadium and a martlet that fits perfectly for the PAC-12.

Not in the real world.
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(07-02-2017 10:16 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 08:00 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Here are a few schools that I think could make a P5 conference if they invested a lot of money.

Underdogs that could make P5:
Buffalo: AAU school in New York. Need new football and basketball arena. All need to start hockey up. If they could build a nice 50000 person on campus stadium and get attendance up they have an outside shot at joining Big Ten.

Rice: Another AAU school. Need to improve basketball similar to what SMu did. Have a shot at Big 12 and PAC 12

UAB: The City of Birmingham is growing like crazy. If UAB could rebrand as Birmingham (similar to Charlotte). Have the city build a nice 50000 person stadium for the blazers and the Birmingham bowl they would be set. On top of that build a new basketball arena. The basketball culture is there just need to get football going. They could have an outside shot to the ACC if schools like Clemson, GA Tech, and FSU start complaining about northern growth and no new southern teams being added.

UNLV: New football stadium and a martlet that fits perfectly for the PAC-12.

Not in the real world.

Good point. The city itself has actually shrunk slightly from 2010 to 2016, and the metro area has grown only slightly, by 1.72%.
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(07-02-2017 10:43 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 10:16 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 08:00 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Here are a few schools that I think could make a P5 conference if they invested a lot of money.

Underdogs that could make P5:
Buffalo: AAU school in New York. Need new football and basketball arena. All need to start hockey up. If they could build a nice 50000 person on campus stadium and get attendance up they have an outside shot at joining Big Ten.

Rice: Another AAU school. Need to improve basketball similar to what SMu did. Have a shot at Big 12 and PAC 12

UAB: The City of Birmingham is growing like crazy. If UAB could rebrand as Birmingham (similar to Charlotte). Have the city build a nice 50000 person stadium for the blazers and the Birmingham bowl they would be set. On top of that build a new basketball arena. The basketball culture is there just need to get football going. They could have an outside shot to the ACC if schools like Clemson, GA Tech, and FSU start complaining about northern growth and no new southern teams being added.

UNLV: New football stadium and a martlet that fits perfectly for the PAC-12.

Not in the real world.

Good point. The city itself has actually shrunk slightly from 2010 to 2016, and the metro area has grown only slightly, by 1.72%.


The academic snobs at various PAC schools would never accept UNLV.


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(07-02-2017 10:16 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 08:00 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Here are a few schools that I think could make a P5 conference if they invested a lot of money.

Underdogs that could make P5:
Buffalo: AAU school in New York. Need new football and basketball arena. All need to start hockey up. If they could build a nice 50000 person on campus stadium and get attendance up they have an outside shot at joining Big Ten.

Rice: Another AAU school. Need to improve basketball similar to what SMu did. Have a shot at Big 12 and PAC 12

UAB: The City of Birmingham is growing like crazy. If UAB could rebrand as Birmingham (similar to Charlotte). Have the city build a nice 50000 person stadium for the blazers and the Birmingham bowl they would be set. On top of that build a new basketball arena. The basketball culture is there just need to get football going. They could have an outside shot to the ACC if schools like Clemson, GA Tech, and FSU start complaining about northern growth and no new southern teams being added.

UNLV: New football stadium and a martlet that fits perfectly for the PAC-12.

Not in the real world.
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(07-02-2017 01:23 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 11:54 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  We would get an invite to the AAC if Cincinnati left the AAC and the AAC was left with an odd number of members. But we're not accepting it unless the AAC improves its TV deal.

Our record attendance is 25.9k set against New Mexico State however we've been averaging 23-24k for Saturday home football games for years now. Midweek games pull our average down to 21k. Some of the better support numbers that you'll find outside of the AAC. Regardless the primary interest here is for our basketball and all our football has to be is decent (hasn't had a losing season since 2008).

For the B12 that would require expanding to 32,000 for it, however that is quite doable and our program could handle that capacity. For the AAC our present capacity is fine. Again B12 would require UC to move to the AAC for some reason and the B12 being desperate for teams but it's a theoretical target for us.

UC is on an island now, if they go they aren't adding OU unless they have to backfill four or five. Athens is seven hours from the closest current school and is well over an hour from John Glenn Airport with no market except for a few small towns in southern Ohio, your football and basketball teams are fine but nothing remarkable. Your fan support is also fine enough but really only good by MAC standards.

And you need to be committed if you think the Big 12 is a possible target. They'd take any current AAC team before you, and they're not doing that anyways with Houston or UC so why'd they do that with you?

Misunderstanding my comments.

There is no B12 conversation so long as UC is out there dangling as a B12 addition. If that were to change (UC to ACC) then all of the sudden they aren't in front of us for the B12.

Most Ohio's season ticket holders are not from SE Ohio anymore and we've set records for season tickets 6-7 years straight. An hour from John Glenn is not very far away. UConn flew into Parkersburg WV which is 30 minutes away. Of course Bobcat teams also take the private plane right out of Athens County airport as it is.

The idea was fans were to list any and all options in this thread, both around the corner and theoretical. I guess you take issue with the way I present my schools options, mostly because you don't have some of those options. That is too bad.
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(07-03-2017 01:32 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The idea was fans were to list any and all options in this thread, both around the corner and theoretical. I guess you take issue with the way I present my schools options, mostly because you don't have some of those options. That is too bad.
I don't think it's the way that you present the Bobcat's options so much as the fact that you include the Big12 as one of those options.

In practice, the Bobcats don't have a Big12 call around the corner. In theory, they don't either, but the reasons why are more high falutin.

(07-01-2017 10:55 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  The following would all love to have us
NB. "us' being Notre Dame. List of pretty much all of the conferences from the Wikipedia machine follows.
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(07-01-2017 10:20 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I don't think the Ivy League wants you.
Yeah, I think that's the one where the copy and paste approach gets the wrong answer. Pretty much all the others, however ... including the SEC, despite the extreme cultural misfit.
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(07-01-2017 11:09 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 10:55 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  The following would all love to have us
America East Conference
American Athletic Conference
Atlantic 10 Conference
Atlantic Coast Conference
Atlantic Sun Conference
Big 12 Conference
Big East Conference
Not to be confused with the original Big East. For more details, see 2010–13 Big East Conference realignment.
Big Sky Conference
Big South Conference
Big Ten Conference
Big West Conference
Coastal Collegiate Sports Association – sponsors only men's and women's swimming & diving, plus women's beach volleyball
Colonial Athletic Association
Conference USA
FBS Independents
FCS Independents
Horizon League
Independents
Ivy League
Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference
Mid-American Conference
Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference
Missouri Valley Conference
Mountain Pacific Sports Federation – does not sponsor football or basketball
Mountain West Conference
Northeast Conference
Ohio Valley Conference
Pac-12 Conference
Patriot League
Southeastern Conference
Southern Conference
Southland Conference
Southwestern Athletic Conference
Sun Belt Conference
The Summit League
West Coast Conference
Western Athletic Conference
Ice hockey conferences
Atlantic Hockey (men)
College Hockey America (women)
ECAC Hockey
Hockey East
Independents
National Collegiate Hockey Conference (men)
Western Collegiate Hockey Association
Other single-sport conferences
This list also includes conferences in sports that the NCAA does not split into divisions.

Central Collegiate Ski Association
Collegiate Water Polo Association
Eastern Intercollegiate Gymnastics League (men)
Eastern Intercollegiate Ski Association
Eastern Intercollegiate Volleyball Association (men)
Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association
Eastern Women's Fencing Conference
Eastern Wrestling League
Golden Coast Conference (men's and women's water polo)
Great America Rifle Conference
Intercollegiate Fencing Conference of Southern California
Metropolitan Swimming Conference
Mid-Atlantic Collegiate Fencing Conference
Mid-Atlantic Rifle Conference (includes a mix of NCAA-sanctioned teams and club teams)
Midwest Fencing Conference
Midwest Independent Conference (women's gymnastics)
Midwestern Intercollegiate Volleyball Association (men)
Mountain Rim Gymnastics Conference (women)
National Intercollegiate Women's Fencing Association
Northeast Fencing Conference
Patriot Rifle Conference
Rocky Mountain Intercollegiate Ski Association
Southland Bowling League
Western Water Polo Association
Division II

California Collegiate Athletic Association
Conference Carolinas
Central Atlantic Collegiate Conference
Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association
East Coast Conference
Great American Conference
Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Great Lakes Valley Conference
Great Midwest Athletic Conference
Great Northwest Athletic Conference
Gulf South Conference
Heartland Conference
Independents
Lone Star Conference
Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association
Mountain East Conference
Northeast-10 Conference
Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference
Pacific West Conference
Peach Belt Conference
Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference
Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference
South Atlantic Conference
Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Sunshine State Conference
Single sport conferences
Appalachian Swimming Conference
Bluegrass Mountain Conference (swimming)
New South Intercollegiate Swim Conference
Pacific Coast Swim Conference
Division III

Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference
American Southwest Conference
Capital Athletic Conference
Centennial Conference
City University of New York Athletic Conference
College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
Colonial States Athletic Conference
Commonwealth Coast Conference
Empire 8
Great Northeast Athletic Conference
Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Independents
Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Landmark Conference
Liberty League
Little East Conference
Massachusetts State Collegiate Athletic Conference
Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Middle Atlantic Conference – an umbrella organization that operates three conferences.
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MAC Commonwealth
MAC Freedom
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Midwest Conference
Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
New England Collegiate Conference
New England Small College Athletic Conference
New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference
New Jersey Athletic Conference
North Atlantic Conference
North Coast Athletic Conference
North Eastern Athletic Conference
Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Northwest Conference
Ohio Athletic Conference
Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Presidents' Athletic Conference
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Skyline Conference
Southern Athletic Association
Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
State University of New York Athletic Conference
University Athletic Association
Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
USA South Athletic Conference
Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Single sport conferences
Continental Volleyball Conference (men)
Eastern Collegiate Football Conference
Midwest Collegiate Volleyball League (men)
Midwest Lacrosse Conference (men)
Midwest Women's Lacrosse Conference
New England Football Conference – to be absorbed by the Commonwealth Coast Conference in 2017, becoming the CCC football league
Ohio River Lacrosse Conference (men and women)
United Volleyball Conference (men)
National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA)[edit]
Main article: List of NAIA conferences
American Midwest Conference
Appalachian Athletic Conference
California Pacific Conference
Cascade Collegiate Conference
Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Crossroads League
Frontier Conference
Golden State Athletic Conference
Great Plains Athletic Conference
Gulf Coast Athletic Conference
Heart of America Athletic Conference
Association of Independent Institutions
Football Independents
Kansas Collegiate Athletic Conference
Mid-South Conference
North Star Athletic Association
Red River Athletic Conference
River States Conference
Sooner Athletic Conference
Southern States Athletic Conference
Sun Conference
Wolverine–Hoosier Athletic Conference
United States Collegiate Athletic Association (USCAA)[edit]
Hudson Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Penn State University Athletic Conference
Yankee Small College Conference
National Christian College Athletic Association (NCCAA)[edit]
Central Region
East Region
Mid-East Region
Mid-West Region
North Central Region
South Region
Southwest Region
West Region
Association of Christian College Athletics (ACCA)[edit]
Midwest Christian College Conference
National Junior College Athletic Association (NJCAA)[edit]
Alabama Community College Conference
Arizona Community College Athletic Conference
Arrowhead Conference D III
Bi-State Conference
Carolinas Junior College Conference
Colorado Community College Athletic Conference
Eastern Pennsylvania Collegiate Conference
Garden State Athletic Conference
Georgia Junior College Athletic Association
Great Rivers Athletic Conference
Illinois N4C Conference
Illinois Skyway Conference
Iowa Community College Athletic Conference
Kansas Jayhawk Community College Conference
Maryland Junior College Athletic Conference
Massachusetts Community College Athletic Association
Michigan Community College Athletic Association
Mid-Florida Conference D I
Mid Hudson Conference
Mid-State Athletic Conference
Mid-West Athletic Conference
Midwest Community College Athletic Conference
Midwest Football Conference (NJCAA)
Minnesota College Athletic Conference
Mississippi Association of Community & Junior Colleges
MISS-LOU Junior College Conference
Metro Athletic Conference D III
Mon-Dak Conference
Mountain Valley Conference
NJCAA Region 9
Nebraska Community College Athletic Conference
North Texas Junior College Athletic Conference
Northeast JC Football Conference
Ohio Community College Athletic Conference
Panhandle Conference D I
Pennsylvania Collegiate Athletic Association
Scenic West Athletic Conference
Southern Conference D I
Southwest Junior College Conference
Southwest Junior College Football Conference
Suncoast Conference D I
Tennessee Junior and Community College Athletic Association
Western Junior College Athletic Conference
Western New York Athletic Conference
Western Pennsylvania Collegiate Conference
Western States Football League
Wyoming Community College Athletic Conference
California Community College Athletic Association (CCCAA)[edit]
Bay Valley Conference
Big Eight Conference (California)
Central Valley Conference
Coast Conference
Golden Valley Conference
Orange Empire Conference
Pacific Coast Athletic Conference
South Coast Conference
Western State Conference
Northwest Athletic Conference (NWAC)[edit]
Northern Region
Southern Region
Eastern Region
Western Region
Independent conferences[edit]
Northern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Pacific Christian Athletic Conference
Wisconsin Collegiate Conference
Other collegiate sports associations[edit]
Boxing[edit]
National Collegiate Boxing Association (NCBA)
Cycling[edit]
ACCC: Atlantic Collegiate Cycling Conference
RMCCC: Rocky Mountain Collegiate Cycling Conference
ECCC: Eastern Collegiate Cycling Conference
SCCCC: South Central Collegiate Cycling Conference
MWCCC: Midwestern Collegiate Cycling Conference
SECCC: Southeastern Collegiate Cycling Conference
NCCCC: North Central Collegiate Cycling Conference
SWCCC: Southwestern Collegiate Cycling Conference
NWCCC: Northwestern Collegiate Cycling Conference
WCCC: Western Collegiate Cycling Conference
Fencing[edit]
Baltimore-Washington Collegiate Fencing Conference (BWCFC)
Northern California Intercollegiate Fencing League (NCIFL)
Southern Atlantic Conference (SAC)
Southwestern Intercollegiate Fencing Association (SWIFA)
Gymnastics[edit]
East Atlantic Gymnastics League (EAGL) (women)
Eastern Intercollegiate Gymnastics League (EIGL) (men)
Lacrosse[edit]
See: Category:College lacrosse leagues in the United States
See also: Men's Collegiate Lacrosse Association
Rowing[edit]
Eastern Association of Rowing Colleges (EARC) (men)
Eastern Association of Women's Rowing Colleges (EAWRC)
Intercollegiate Rowing Association (IRA) (men)
Softball[edit]
Pacific Coast Softball Conference (PCSC) (women; disbanding after the 2013 season)
Sprint football[edit]
Collegiate Sprint Football League (CSFL)
Volleyball[edit]
Midwest Intercollegiate Volleyball Association
Water polo[edit]
Western Water Polo Association
Wrestling[edit]
National Collegiate Wrestling Association

So have you been spending a lot of time with DavidSt lately?
I didn't see the Lone Star Conference listed which would NOT welcome back the UHouston Coogs as they are Lone Star State's public school equivalent of TCU (stab your neighbors in the back and claw your way into any conference that will have ya!)
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(07-02-2017 08:00 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UAB: The City of Birmingham is growing like crazy. If UAB could rebrand as Birmingham (similar to Charlotte).

On a list of America's 50 worst cities, Birmingham just landed at #2:

".. Of the 551 large cities reviewed, the population fell in only 42 over the past decade, and annual employment declined in less than 30 over the last two years. Birmingham is one of the exceptions in both cases, with a 3.3% 10-year population loss and a 0.9% employment decline between 2013 and 2015.

Birmingham is one of the poorest cities in the United States. About 29.2% of the city’s population lives in poverty, roughly double the 14.7% U.S. poverty rate, and the typical household earns just $32,378 a year, over $23,000 below the national median household income."

So I'm not sure branding yourself "Birmingham" is the way to go.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/201...415609001/
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(07-03-2017 01:32 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 01:23 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 11:54 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  We would get an invite to the AAC if Cincinnati left the AAC and the AAC was left with an odd number of members. But we're not accepting it unless the AAC improves its TV deal.

Our record attendance is 25.9k set against New Mexico State however we've been averaging 23-24k for Saturday home football games for years now. Midweek games pull our average down to 21k. Some of the better support numbers that you'll find outside of the AAC. Regardless the primary interest here is for our basketball and all our football has to be is decent (hasn't had a losing season since 2008).

For the B12 that would require expanding to 32,000 for it, however that is quite doable and our program could handle that capacity. For the AAC our present capacity is fine. Again B12 would require UC to move to the AAC for some reason and the B12 being desperate for teams but it's a theoretical target for us.

UC is on an island now, if they go they aren't adding OU unless they have to backfill four or five. Athens is seven hours from the closest current school and is well over an hour from John Glenn Airport with no market except for a few small towns in southern Ohio, your football and basketball teams are fine but nothing remarkable. Your fan support is also fine enough but really only good by MAC standards.

And you need to be committed if you think the Big 12 is a possible target. They'd take any current AAC team before you, and they're not doing that anyways with Houston or UC so why'd they do that with you?

Misunderstanding my comments.

There is no B12 conversation so long as UC is out there dangling as a B12 addition. If that were to change (UC to ACC) then all of the sudden they aren't in front of us for the B12.

Most Ohio's season ticket holders are not from SE Ohio anymore and we've set records for season tickets 6-7 years straight. An hour from John Glenn is not very far away. UConn flew into Parkersburg WV which is 30 minutes away. Of course Bobcat teams also take the private plane right out of Athens County airport as it is.

The idea was fans were to list any and all options in this thread, both around the corner and theoretical. I guess you take issue with the way I present my schools options, mostly because you don't have some of those options. That is too bad.

Ohhhhhh dear god... stop the poor me crap. Ohio doesn't have those options, you're just full of ****.
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(07-03-2017 08:14 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Ohhhhhh dear god... stop the poor me crap. Ohio doesn't have those options, you're just full of ****.

Methinks Kitton has drank too much water out of the Hocking River.

Regardless, the Bobcats joyride is over now, they had a decade to take over the MAC in a weak East division but now Miami is just about back for football. And their basketball is nowhere near good enough to make them attractive for realignment, no one cares about an average team in a one bid conference.
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(07-03-2017 08:14 AM)utpotts Wrote:  
(07-03-2017 01:32 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 01:23 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 11:54 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  We would get an invite to the AAC if Cincinnati left the AAC and the AAC was left with an odd number of members. But we're not accepting it unless the AAC improves its TV deal.

Our record attendance is 25.9k set against New Mexico State however we've been averaging 23-24k for Saturday home football games for years now. Midweek games pull our average down to 21k. Some of the better support numbers that you'll find outside of the AAC. Regardless the primary interest here is for our basketball and all our football has to be is decent (hasn't had a losing season since 2008).

For the B12 that would require expanding to 32,000 for it, however that is quite doable and our program could handle that capacity. For the AAC our present capacity is fine. Again B12 would require UC to move to the AAC for some reason and the B12 being desperate for teams but it's a theoretical target for us.

UC is on an island now, if they go they aren't adding OU unless they have to backfill four or five. Athens is seven hours from the closest current school and is well over an hour from John Glenn Airport with no market except for a few small towns in southern Ohio, your football and basketball teams are fine but nothing remarkable. Your fan support is also fine enough but really only good by MAC standards.

And you need to be committed if you think the Big 12 is a possible target. They'd take any current AAC team before you, and they're not doing that anyways with Houston or UC so why'd they do that with you?

Misunderstanding my comments.

There is no B12 conversation so long as UC is out there dangling as a B12 addition. If that were to change (UC to ACC) then all of the sudden they aren't in front of us for the B12.

Most Ohio's season ticket holders are not from SE Ohio anymore and we've set records for season tickets 6-7 years straight. An hour from John Glenn is not very far away. UConn flew into Parkersburg WV which is 30 minutes away. Of course Bobcat teams also take the private plane right out of Athens County airport as it is.

The idea was fans were to list any and all options in this thread, both around the corner and theoretical. I guess you take issue with the way I present my schools options, mostly because you don't have some of those options. That is too bad.

Ohhhhhh dear god... stop the poor me crap. Ohio doesn't have those options, you're just full of ****.

Our past president didn't apply to the B12 like NIU did. He had a more conservative approach to realignment.

The new president was formerly the president at Texas Tech. He may want to throw his hat into the ring for the B12 next time around.

The minimum standards for getting into the B12 on the football side moving forward is lower than it used to be. In a B12 without Texas/Oklahoma a 32,000 stadium would probably cut it. Ohio had plans drawn up to expand to 35,000 if another conference came calling back in the 90's.

Profile wise we are already there. Last year Oklahoma State had a base budget of 699 million while our base budget was 814 million. Counting all holdings under management Ohio is at about 1.5 billion and OSU/ISU are around 1.3 billion. The 3 medical schools and research parks in Columbus and Dayton add up for us.

But you're right that its tougher to build a corporate presence in SE Ohio but the media deals mostly are predicated on conference affiliation. We are definitely working on it trying to pitch naming rights to our basketball arena and football stadium.

Definitely UC is ahead of us because they already have a 40,000 seat stadium but if they and UConn were to go to the ACC in a few years that would open things up for us to make a pitch to the B12.

Houston & SMU have the profiles for B12. Tulane is terrible in FB/BB which is going to be an issue for them. Memphis has the athletic chops, the question there is academics. NIU may be viable if they put the facilities in because of proximity to the footprint. There are just not many schools between WVU and the great plains that would be viable for the B12. It's possible all of them will go to the B12.
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Tulane.

Nowhere. Independence is a giant risk, but probably the most realistic move if there had to be one.
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(07-03-2017 06:20 AM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 11:09 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 10:55 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  The following would all love to have us
America East Conference
American Athletic Conference
Atlantic 10 Conference
Atlantic Coast Conference
Atlantic Sun Conference
Big 12 Conference
Big East Conference
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Big Sky Conference
Big South Conference
Big Ten Conference
Big West Conference
Coastal Collegiate Sports Association – sponsors only men's and women's swimming & diving, plus women's beach volleyball
Colonial Athletic Association
Conference USA
FBS Independents
FCS Independents
Horizon League
Independents
Ivy League
Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference
Mid-American Conference
Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference
Missouri Valley Conference
Mountain Pacific Sports Federation – does not sponsor football or basketball
Mountain West Conference
Northeast Conference
Ohio Valley Conference
Pac-12 Conference
Patriot League
Southeastern Conference
Southern Conference
Southland Conference
Southwestern Athletic Conference
Sun Belt Conference
The Summit League
West Coast Conference
Western Athletic Conference
Ice hockey conferences
Atlantic Hockey (men)
College Hockey America (women)
ECAC Hockey
Hockey East
Independents
National Collegiate Hockey Conference (men)
Western Collegiate Hockey Association
Other single-sport conferences
This list also includes conferences in sports that the NCAA does not split into divisions.

Central Collegiate Ski Association
Collegiate Water Polo Association
Eastern Intercollegiate Gymnastics League (men)
Eastern Intercollegiate Ski Association
Eastern Intercollegiate Volleyball Association (men)
Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association
Eastern Women's Fencing Conference
Eastern Wrestling League
Golden Coast Conference (men's and women's water polo)
Great America Rifle Conference
Intercollegiate Fencing Conference of Southern California
Metropolitan Swimming Conference
Mid-Atlantic Collegiate Fencing Conference
Mid-Atlantic Rifle Conference (includes a mix of NCAA-sanctioned teams and club teams)
Midwest Fencing Conference
Midwest Independent Conference (women's gymnastics)
Midwestern Intercollegiate Volleyball Association (men)
Mountain Rim Gymnastics Conference (women)
National Intercollegiate Women's Fencing Association
Northeast Fencing Conference
Patriot Rifle Conference
Rocky Mountain Intercollegiate Ski Association
Southland Bowling League
Western Water Polo Association
Division II

California Collegiate Athletic Association
Conference Carolinas
Central Atlantic Collegiate Conference
Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association
East Coast Conference
Great American Conference
Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Great Lakes Valley Conference
Great Midwest Athletic Conference
Great Northwest Athletic Conference
Gulf South Conference
Heartland Conference
Independents
Lone Star Conference
Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association
Mountain East Conference
Northeast-10 Conference
Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference
Pacific West Conference
Peach Belt Conference
Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference
Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference
South Atlantic Conference
Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Sunshine State Conference
Single sport conferences
Appalachian Swimming Conference
Bluegrass Mountain Conference (swimming)
New South Intercollegiate Swim Conference
Pacific Coast Swim Conference
Division III

Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference
American Southwest Conference
Capital Athletic Conference
Centennial Conference
City University of New York Athletic Conference
College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
Colonial States Athletic Conference
Commonwealth Coast Conference
Empire 8
Great Northeast Athletic Conference
Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Independents
Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Landmark Conference
Liberty League
Little East Conference
Massachusetts State Collegiate Athletic Conference
Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Middle Atlantic Conference – an umbrella organization that operates three conferences.
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MAC Commonwealth
MAC Freedom
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Midwest Conference
Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
New England Collegiate Conference
New England Small College Athletic Conference
New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference
New Jersey Athletic Conference
North Atlantic Conference
North Coast Athletic Conference
North Eastern Athletic Conference
Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Northwest Conference
Ohio Athletic Conference
Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Presidents' Athletic Conference
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Skyline Conference
Southern Athletic Association
Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
State University of New York Athletic Conference
University Athletic Association
Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
USA South Athletic Conference
Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Single sport conferences
Continental Volleyball Conference (men)
Eastern Collegiate Football Conference
Midwest Collegiate Volleyball League (men)
Midwest Lacrosse Conference (men)
Midwest Women's Lacrosse Conference
New England Football Conference – to be absorbed by the Commonwealth Coast Conference in 2017, becoming the CCC football league
Ohio River Lacrosse Conference (men and women)
United Volleyball Conference (men)
National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA)[edit]
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American Midwest Conference
Appalachian Athletic Conference
California Pacific Conference
Cascade Collegiate Conference
Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Crossroads League
Frontier Conference
Golden State Athletic Conference
Great Plains Athletic Conference
Gulf Coast Athletic Conference
Heart of America Athletic Conference
Association of Independent Institutions
Football Independents
Kansas Collegiate Athletic Conference
Mid-South Conference
North Star Athletic Association
Red River Athletic Conference
River States Conference
Sooner Athletic Conference
Southern States Athletic Conference
Sun Conference
Wolverine–Hoosier Athletic Conference
United States Collegiate Athletic Association (USCAA)[edit]
Hudson Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Penn State University Athletic Conference
Yankee Small College Conference
National Christian College Athletic Association (NCCAA)[edit]
Central Region
East Region
Mid-East Region
Mid-West Region
North Central Region
South Region
Southwest Region
West Region
Association of Christian College Athletics (ACCA)[edit]
Midwest Christian College Conference
National Junior College Athletic Association (NJCAA)[edit]
Alabama Community College Conference
Arizona Community College Athletic Conference
Arrowhead Conference D III
Bi-State Conference
Carolinas Junior College Conference
Colorado Community College Athletic Conference
Eastern Pennsylvania Collegiate Conference
Garden State Athletic Conference
Georgia Junior College Athletic Association
Great Rivers Athletic Conference
Illinois N4C Conference
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Iowa Community College Athletic Conference
Kansas Jayhawk Community College Conference
Maryland Junior College Athletic Conference
Massachusetts Community College Athletic Association
Michigan Community College Athletic Association
Mid-Florida Conference D I
Mid Hudson Conference
Mid-State Athletic Conference
Mid-West Athletic Conference
Midwest Community College Athletic Conference
Midwest Football Conference (NJCAA)
Minnesota College Athletic Conference
Mississippi Association of Community & Junior Colleges
MISS-LOU Junior College Conference
Metro Athletic Conference D III
Mon-Dak Conference
Mountain Valley Conference
NJCAA Region 9
Nebraska Community College Athletic Conference
North Texas Junior College Athletic Conference
Northeast JC Football Conference
Ohio Community College Athletic Conference
Panhandle Conference D I
Pennsylvania Collegiate Athletic Association
Scenic West Athletic Conference
Southern Conference D I
Southwest Junior College Conference
Southwest Junior College Football Conference
Suncoast Conference D I
Tennessee Junior and Community College Athletic Association
Western Junior College Athletic Conference
Western New York Athletic Conference
Western Pennsylvania Collegiate Conference
Western States Football League
Wyoming Community College Athletic Conference
California Community College Athletic Association (CCCAA)[edit]
Bay Valley Conference
Big Eight Conference (California)
Central Valley Conference
Coast Conference
Golden Valley Conference
Orange Empire Conference
Pacific Coast Athletic Conference
South Coast Conference
Western State Conference
Northwest Athletic Conference (NWAC)[edit]
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Western Region
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Northern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Pacific Christian Athletic Conference
Wisconsin Collegiate Conference
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National Collegiate Boxing Association (NCBA)
Cycling[edit]
ACCC: Atlantic Collegiate Cycling Conference
RMCCC: Rocky Mountain Collegiate Cycling Conference
ECCC: Eastern Collegiate Cycling Conference
SCCCC: South Central Collegiate Cycling Conference
MWCCC: Midwestern Collegiate Cycling Conference
SECCC: Southeastern Collegiate Cycling Conference
NCCCC: North Central Collegiate Cycling Conference
SWCCC: Southwestern Collegiate Cycling Conference
NWCCC: Northwestern Collegiate Cycling Conference
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Baltimore-Washington Collegiate Fencing Conference (BWCFC)
Northern California Intercollegiate Fencing League (NCIFL)
Southern Atlantic Conference (SAC)
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Eastern Association of Rowing Colleges (EARC) (men)
Eastern Association of Women's Rowing Colleges (EAWRC)
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Softball[edit]
Pacific Coast Softball Conference (PCSC) (women; disbanding after the 2013 season)
Sprint football[edit]
Collegiate Sprint Football League (CSFL)
Volleyball[edit]
Midwest Intercollegiate Volleyball Association
Water polo[edit]
Western Water Polo Association
Wrestling[edit]
National Collegiate Wrestling Association

So have you been spending a lot of time with DavidSt lately?
I didn't see the Lone Star Conference listed which would NOT welcome back the UHouston Coogs as they are Lone Star State's public school equivalent of TCU (stab your neighbors in the back and claw your way into any conference that will have ya!)

lol....perhaps the theme for the next UH-Rice MOB halftime show? 04-cheers
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Omaha fan here, not many options. MVC's a longshot and Horizon's a lateral move with increased travel costs, and there's always the WAC if the Summit falls apart, though that's just because they're the NCAA's Island of Misfit Toys. Hockey's where it belongs, so there's no real need to go anywhere else.

I doubt there's any interest involving any other conferences from either side.
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(07-03-2017 04:20 PM)Mav Wrote:  Omaha fan here, not many options. MVC's a longshot and Horizon's a lateral move with increased travel costs, and there's always the WAC if the Summit falls apart, though that's just because they're the NCAA's Island of Misfit Toys. Hockey's where it belongs, so there's no real need to go anywhere else.

I doubt there's any interest involving any other conferences from either side.

I'm sure the WAC would be interested in Omaha.
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(07-02-2017 08:00 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Here are a few schools that I think could make a P5 conference if they invested a lot of money.

Underdogs that could make P5:
Buffalo: AAU school in New York. Need new football and basketball arena. All need to start hockey up. If they could build a nice 50000 person on campus stadium and get attendance up they have an outside shot at joining Big Ten.

Rice: Another AAU school. Need to improve basketball similar to what SMu did. Have a shot at Big 12 and PAC 12

UAB: The City of Birmingham is growing like crazy. If UAB could rebrand as Birmingham (similar to Charlotte). Have the city build a nice 50000 person stadium for the blazers and the Birmingham bowl they would be set. On top of that build a new basketball arena. The basketball culture is there just need to get football going. They could have an outside shot to the ACC if schools like Clemson, GA Tech, and FSU start complaining about northern growth and no new southern teams being added.

UNLV: New football stadium and a martlet that fits perfectly for the PAC-12.

Rice: Thanks for the underdog mention and I'll just add my take on your B12/P12 options.
*If* we were to go P5, I think "today" that P12 and B1G are the two most likely.

The B12 window won't crack open for us again until the league looks to replace the next round of departures (5+ year time frame). At least we know we're on the "short" list of 11(!)

AAC is not very likely right now, either. Our value differentiators are academics, and exposure to the Houston market. AAC and B12 both already have good exposure in Houston.(not to mention the SEC, that opportunity passed by about 20 years ago)

And the ACC has never been even a slim chance option (though some of our fans have suggested it as a good fit)

To be clear, I fully grasp that we are not just underdogs to go P5, but longshot underdogs. But I've seen us beat odds like that before (usually on the field of play) so I dream...


Also, to Domer1978: cool to see the South Central Collegiate Cycling Conference mentioned for the first time ever that I'm aware of on this board. Yes, Rice would welcome ND into that conference. Come on down for some great early spring road racing in gorgeous weather.

And to attackcoog:
I'm sure we've been cooking up the halftime script for the renewal of the Bayou Bucket for months. But no way will it hold a candle to the Baylor show #truth
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