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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
(07-02-2017 12:37 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 12:20 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Ohio is refusing now to join the AAC unless the media deal is greatly enhanced.

I didn't know Ohio had received an offer.

They haven't. Kit Kat likes to make things up.
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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
MiamiU's conference realignment options:
(1) Most preferred: stay in an improved MAC
(2) Second most preferred: stay in the MAC at the status quo
(3) Third most preferred would likely be stay in the MAC after it has taken a hit or two in conference realignment.

(07-01-2017 09:59 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  We discuss realignment options for schools that we didn't attend all of the time.
But what about realignment options for your school? I will start with mine. [NB. Kit Kat went to OhioU]

1)B12: Our academic peer list includes Oklahoma St, Iowa St and WVU so this would be the conference to join with its rural college towns. We make a perfect travel partner with WVU only 2 hours away.
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Quote: But this would first require Cincinnati to land in the ACC
Also require pigs to fly. Maybe ought to have mentioned that requirement.

Quote: 2) AAC: We're the logical replacement school for Cincinnati if they were to leave. ... But unless the AAC can grow its base revenue distribution from 3.5 million to at least 10 million per school it's not going to be enough to offset the increased travel cost and higher salaries required to compete in the AAC.
I'm wondering what revenue in the MAC would be required for the Bobcats to build up to the level of an occasional conference champion in MAC FB? And then the increment above that required to chase the level of occasional AAC conference champion?

Quote: 3)CUSA: Marshall has pushed for us to join and we've had what amounts to a standing invite for years. We have a basketball profile and budget that exceeds everyone in the MAC, SBC or any FCS school they would consider. If CUSA basketball starts to take off with WKU, ODU and UAB returning to form it becomes more attractive.

But so long as the MAC is stable and has a TV deal we wouldn't look at this. Buffalo could leave and it would have zero impact on the deal. If NIU and Toledo were to leave and the deal is close to renewal it might. Also we'd demand (because we can) Miami University to be added as a package deal to make it worthwhile. I think CUSA would agree to that demand.
You can demand it? "Because you could" meaning because you could get it if you made the demand? Maybe you could make the ask, but it seems likely that the Redhawks would have a say in it, and I don't see that MiamiU would have any interest in going to CUSA.
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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
Sure why not...

AAC

We need a new arena and to complete moving Olympic sports back on campus.

That's about it.

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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
(07-02-2017 04:32 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 09:59 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  We discuss realignment options for schools that we didn't attend all of the time.
But what about realignment options for your school? I will start with mine. [NB. Kit Kat went to OhioU]

1)B12: Our academic peer list includes Oklahoma St, Iowa St and WVU so this would be the conference to join with its rural college towns. We make a perfect travel partner with WVU only 2 hours away.

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Quote: But this would first require Cincinnati to land in the ACC

Also require pigs to fly. Maybe ought to have mentioned that requirement.

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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
Alabama:

1) stay in the SEC
2) go independent in football. Other sports would suffer a little but in a conference like the OVC, SoCon, or Atlantic Sun, but basketball would probably be more competitive
3) join the ACC - probably would mean ESPN has lost the SEC. I don't think Alabama would jump without Tennessee. If Norte Dame is also joining as a full member, I could see Florida or Kentucky joining as #18.

I don't see the B1G as an option due to lack research status (medical school is in Birmingham, aerospace engineering is in Huntsville). The Pac 12 is not an option due to geography.

Kentucky:

1) stay in the SEC
2) join the B1G - research still needs to pick up a bit, but UK has a stated goal of becoming a Top 20 research institution by 2020. Landing anywhere close to that would make it easier to land a spot in the AAU. This would be a new state for the Big Ten Network, and fans would love to see the rivalry with Indiana renewed.
3) join the ACC - this was under consideration back in the late eighties or early nineties. It might not seem to make sense with Louisville in the league now, but UK fans would be excited about North Carolina and Duke making regular visits to Rupp Arena. If Norte Dame were joining as a full member, having a home game against Norte Dame every six years would be a huge pickup for the football program.

I don't see football independence being an option unless if several others take the plunge from the SEC or B1G.

South Alabama

1) join C-USA - if the money can work, this is the next logical step. This reunites USA with UAB and WKU and ODU, the historic core of the Sun Belt, and finally puts them in a conference with Southern Miss.
2) join the American - apparently USA talked with what was then the Big East, but not much came from it. USA could serve as a travel partner for Tulane, and would likely bring the Dollar General Bowl. Football and basketball attendance need to improve to AAC levels.
3) drop football - I could see this happening after a prolonged period of losing and mediocre attendance, but only if funding for an on campus stadium completely evaporated. We could probably stay in the Sun Belt due to being a charter member, but might move to the Atlantic Sun.

I don't see a P5 - mainly a Big 12 - invitation likely due to the immaturity of the football program. The ACC could theoretically be interested since USA does have a significant research component, but the ACC would likely trade NC State to the SEC for Auburn before inviting UAB or USA.
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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
Here are a few schools that I think could make a P5 conference if they invested a lot of money.

Underdogs that could make P5:
Buffalo: AAU school in New York. Need new football and basketball arena. All need to start hockey up. If they could build a nice 50000 person on campus stadium and get attendance up they have an outside shot at joining Big Ten.

Rice: Another AAU school. Need to improve basketball similar to what SMu did. Have a shot at Big 12 and PAC 12

UAB: The City of Birmingham is growing like crazy. If UAB could rebrand as Birmingham (similar to Charlotte). Have the city build a nice 50000 person stadium for the blazers and the Birmingham bowl they would be set. On top of that build a new basketball arena. The basketball culture is there just need to get football going. They could have an outside shot to the ACC if schools like Clemson, GA Tech, and FSU start complaining about northern growth and no new southern teams being added.

UNLV: New football stadium and a martlet that fits perfectly for the PAC-12.
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(07-01-2017 10:55 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  The following would all love to have us
America East Conference
American Athletic Conference
Atlantic 10 Conference
Atlantic Coast Conference
Atlantic Sun Conference
Big 12 Conference
Big East Conference
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Big Sky Conference
Big South Conference
Big Ten Conference
Big West Conference
Coastal Collegiate Sports Association – sponsors only men's and women's swimming & diving, plus women's beach volleyball
Colonial Athletic Association
Conference USA
FBS Independents
FCS Independents
Horizon League
Independents
Ivy League
Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference
Mid-American Conference
Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference
Missouri Valley Conference
Mountain Pacific Sports Federation – does not sponsor football or basketball
Mountain West Conference
Northeast Conference
Ohio Valley Conference
Pac-12 Conference
Patriot League
Southeastern Conference
Southern Conference
Southland Conference
Southwestern Athletic Conference
Sun Belt Conference
The Summit League
West Coast Conference
Western Athletic Conference
Ice hockey conferences
Atlantic Hockey (men)
College Hockey America (women)
ECAC Hockey
Hockey East
Independents
National Collegiate Hockey Conference (men)
Western Collegiate Hockey Association
Other single-sport conferences
This list also includes conferences in sports that the NCAA does not split into divisions.

Central Collegiate Ski Association
Collegiate Water Polo Association
Eastern Intercollegiate Gymnastics League (men)
Eastern Intercollegiate Ski Association
Eastern Intercollegiate Volleyball Association (men)
Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association
Eastern Women's Fencing Conference
Eastern Wrestling League
Golden Coast Conference (men's and women's water polo)
Great America Rifle Conference
Intercollegiate Fencing Conference of Southern California
Metropolitan Swimming Conference
Mid-Atlantic Collegiate Fencing Conference
Mid-Atlantic Rifle Conference (includes a mix of NCAA-sanctioned teams and club teams)
Midwest Fencing Conference
Midwest Independent Conference (women's gymnastics)
Midwestern Intercollegiate Volleyball Association (men)
Mountain Rim Gymnastics Conference (women)
National Intercollegiate Women's Fencing Association
Northeast Fencing Conference
Patriot Rifle Conference
Rocky Mountain Intercollegiate Ski Association
Southland Bowling League
Western Water Polo Association
Division II

California Collegiate Athletic Association
Conference Carolinas
Central Atlantic Collegiate Conference
Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association
East Coast Conference
Great American Conference
Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Great Lakes Valley Conference
Great Midwest Athletic Conference
Great Northwest Athletic Conference
Gulf South Conference
Heartland Conference
Independents
Lone Star Conference
Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association
Mountain East Conference
Northeast-10 Conference
Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference
Pacific West Conference
Peach Belt Conference
Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference
Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference
South Atlantic Conference
Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Sunshine State Conference
Single sport conferences
Appalachian Swimming Conference
Bluegrass Mountain Conference (swimming)
New South Intercollegiate Swim Conference
Pacific Coast Swim Conference
Division III

Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference
American Southwest Conference
Capital Athletic Conference
Centennial Conference
City University of New York Athletic Conference
College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
Colonial States Athletic Conference
Commonwealth Coast Conference
Empire 8
Great Northeast Athletic Conference
Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Independents
Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Landmark Conference
Liberty League
Little East Conference
Massachusetts State Collegiate Athletic Conference
Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Middle Atlantic Conference – an umbrella organization that operates three conferences.
The following conferences sponsor the same set of 15 sports, including both men's and women's basketball, but not football:
MAC Commonwealth
MAC Freedom
The third league, the Middle Atlantic Conference (note the singular), combines schools from the Commonwealth and Freedom conferences in a total of 9 sports, including football. This conference will add three more sports in 2017–18.
Midwest Conference
Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
New England Collegiate Conference
New England Small College Athletic Conference
New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference
New Jersey Athletic Conference
North Atlantic Conference
North Coast Athletic Conference
North Eastern Athletic Conference
Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Northwest Conference
Ohio Athletic Conference
Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Presidents' Athletic Conference
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Skyline Conference
Southern Athletic Association
Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
State University of New York Athletic Conference
University Athletic Association
Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
USA South Athletic Conference
Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Single sport conferences
Continental Volleyball Conference (men)
Eastern Collegiate Football Conference
Midwest Collegiate Volleyball League (men)
Midwest Lacrosse Conference (men)
Midwest Women's Lacrosse Conference
New England Football Conference – to be absorbed by the Commonwealth Coast Conference in 2017, becoming the CCC football league
Ohio River Lacrosse Conference (men and women)
United Volleyball Conference (men)
National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA)[edit]
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American Midwest Conference
Appalachian Athletic Conference
California Pacific Conference
Cascade Collegiate Conference
Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Crossroads League
Frontier Conference
Golden State Athletic Conference
Great Plains Athletic Conference
Gulf Coast Athletic Conference
Heart of America Athletic Conference
Association of Independent Institutions
Football Independents
Kansas Collegiate Athletic Conference
Mid-South Conference
North Star Athletic Association
Red River Athletic Conference
River States Conference
Sooner Athletic Conference
Southern States Athletic Conference
Sun Conference
Wolverine–Hoosier Athletic Conference
United States Collegiate Athletic Association (USCAA)[edit]
Hudson Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Penn State University Athletic Conference
Yankee Small College Conference
National Christian College Athletic Association (NCCAA)[edit]
Central Region
East Region
Mid-East Region
Mid-West Region
North Central Region
South Region
Southwest Region
West Region
Association of Christian College Athletics (ACCA)[edit]
Midwest Christian College Conference
National Junior College Athletic Association (NJCAA)[edit]
Alabama Community College Conference
Arizona Community College Athletic Conference
Arrowhead Conference D III
Bi-State Conference
Carolinas Junior College Conference
Colorado Community College Athletic Conference
Eastern Pennsylvania Collegiate Conference
Garden State Athletic Conference
Georgia Junior College Athletic Association
Great Rivers Athletic Conference
Illinois N4C Conference
Illinois Skyway Conference
Iowa Community College Athletic Conference
Kansas Jayhawk Community College Conference
Maryland Junior College Athletic Conference
Massachusetts Community College Athletic Association
Michigan Community College Athletic Association
Mid-Florida Conference D I
Mid Hudson Conference
Mid-State Athletic Conference
Mid-West Athletic Conference
Midwest Community College Athletic Conference
Midwest Football Conference (NJCAA)
Minnesota College Athletic Conference
Mississippi Association of Community & Junior Colleges
MISS-LOU Junior College Conference
Metro Athletic Conference D III
Mon-Dak Conference
Mountain Valley Conference
NJCAA Region 9
Nebraska Community College Athletic Conference
North Texas Junior College Athletic Conference
Northeast JC Football Conference
Ohio Community College Athletic Conference
Panhandle Conference D I
Pennsylvania Collegiate Athletic Association
Scenic West Athletic Conference
Southern Conference D I
Southwest Junior College Conference
Southwest Junior College Football Conference
Suncoast Conference D I
Tennessee Junior and Community College Athletic Association
Western Junior College Athletic Conference
Western New York Athletic Conference
Western Pennsylvania Collegiate Conference
Western States Football League
Wyoming Community College Athletic Conference
California Community College Athletic Association (CCCAA)[edit]
Bay Valley Conference
Big Eight Conference (California)
Central Valley Conference
Coast Conference
Golden Valley Conference
Orange Empire Conference
Pacific Coast Athletic Conference
South Coast Conference
Western State Conference
Northwest Athletic Conference (NWAC)[edit]
Northern Region
Southern Region
Eastern Region
Western Region
Independent conferences[edit]
Northern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Pacific Christian Athletic Conference
Wisconsin Collegiate Conference
Other collegiate sports associations[edit]
Boxing[edit]
National Collegiate Boxing Association (NCBA)
Cycling[edit]
ACCC: Atlantic Collegiate Cycling Conference
RMCCC: Rocky Mountain Collegiate Cycling Conference
ECCC: Eastern Collegiate Cycling Conference
SCCCC: South Central Collegiate Cycling Conference
MWCCC: Midwestern Collegiate Cycling Conference
SECCC: Southeastern Collegiate Cycling Conference
NCCCC: North Central Collegiate Cycling Conference
SWCCC: Southwestern Collegiate Cycling Conference
NWCCC: Northwestern Collegiate Cycling Conference
WCCC: Western Collegiate Cycling Conference
Fencing[edit]
Baltimore-Washington Collegiate Fencing Conference (BWCFC)
Northern California Intercollegiate Fencing League (NCIFL)
Southern Atlantic Conference (SAC)
Southwestern Intercollegiate Fencing Association (SWIFA)
Gymnastics[edit]
East Atlantic Gymnastics League (EAGL) (women)
Eastern Intercollegiate Gymnastics League (EIGL) (men)
Lacrosse[edit]
See: Category:College lacrosse leagues in the United States
See also: Men's Collegiate Lacrosse Association
Rowing[edit]
Eastern Association of Rowing Colleges (EARC) (men)
Eastern Association of Women's Rowing Colleges (EAWRC)
Intercollegiate Rowing Association (IRA) (men)
Softball[edit]
Pacific Coast Softball Conference (PCSC) (women; disbanding after the 2013 season)
Sprint football[edit]
Collegiate Sprint Football League (CSFL)
Volleyball[edit]
Midwest Intercollegiate Volleyball Association
Water polo[edit]
Western Water Polo Association
Wrestling[edit]
National Collegiate Wrestling Association

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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
(07-01-2017 11:15 AM)ArQ Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 11:10 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 10:18 AM)goofus Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 10:05 AM)panama Wrote:  Who is your school? Ohio?

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Lol, the OP wrote this extremely long essay and not once bothered to say what school he was writing about.

Whoever it is, they made a quick mistake in the B12 section, lumping Iowa State with OkSt and WVU academicaly. Iowa State is an AAU member and compares more closely with Mizzou than OkST and WVU.
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Poor Ohio.

You let Ohio State steal your flagship status in your state.

Cut it out. Kittonhead asked a legitimate question, so please give him a legitimate answer.

I will do my alma mater (University of Montevallo), and another school I attended (Troy University).

For Montevallo, it depends on where the Falcons want to go. Stay at D2 or upgrade to D1. Montevallo had looked at joining at D1 in the past, but when our rival Birmingham-Southern decided to downgrade from D1(a big mistake, IMO, but they wanted football, so I can sorta see it), it seemed like Montevallo decided to abandon it. Montevallo decided to leave the Gulf South Conference for the Peach Belt Conference because our president thought it was a better institutional & athletic fit at the time. However, one big problem with PBC was that Montevallo had no legitimate rivalries with any PBC members. When another longtime rival, AUM (Auburn-Montgomery) decided to upgrade from NAIA to the Gulf South Conference, Montevallo decided to see if GSC would take them back and fortunately, they did. Since rival UNA (aka North Alabama) is upgrading to the Big South Conference and the A-Sun Conference, I can see Montevallo watching this move with interest. If UNA is successful and stays D1, Montevallo may contemplate going D1 yet again. Other options include going back to the Peach Belt, which really makes no sense, considering that Montevallo still has no legitimate rivals over there or just staying in the GSC.

For Troy, C-USA would be an option if they would give the Trojans an invitation, but because of Troy's very small market, one doesn't seem to be forthcoming, unless C-USA decides to abandon their markets strategy.
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(07-02-2017 07:43 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Alabama:

1) stay in the SEC
2) go independent in football. Other sports would suffer a little but in a conference like the OVC, SoCon, or Atlantic Sun, but basketball would probably be more competitive
3) join the ACC - probably would mean ESPN has lost the SEC. I don't think Alabama would jump without Tennessee. If Norte Dame is also joining as a full member, I could see Florida or Kentucky joining as #18.

I don't see the B1G as an option due to lack research status (medical school is in Birmingham, aerospace engineering is in Huntsville). The Pac 12 is not an option due to geography.

I'll take option 3! Having Alabama, ND, Tennessee & Florida join the ACC would be quite a coup.
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(07-01-2017 04:37 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  2 if you want to speak english

I thought California was already like that.

As for schools that I'm actually a fan of, but didn't attend, here's how I see them:

UGa (Georgia)

1. Stay in the SEC. Many of the Bulldogs rivals are in the SEC, and the Bulldogs are pretty content there.
2. Go Indy: An interesting option for Georgia. I'm sure Auburn would schedule us OOC, as would GT, but I'm not sure about Florida as the Gators constantly complain about how hard their conference schedule is, and having to play FSU on top of that, so the Georgia-Florida game could end theoretically if UGa ever left the SEC. I can see Clemson renewing their old rivalry with us though. Some sports would suffer, but we would definitely be more competitive in the CAA, SoCon, etc. for men's basketball. Could be a big step down for the ladies though because they've been outperforming the men. I'm sure Notre Dame would definitely offer us several games if we did go indy, so they'd probably replace UF as a rival eventually.
3. ACC: Clemson would move heaven & earth for this to happen. I can see Georgia Tech being initially opposed to this, but they might eventually warm up to it. The Dawgs already pitiful men's basketball would probably be in the basement with BC most of the time, but women's basketball would thrive.

Oregon
1. Stay in Pac 12: most likely.
2. Go indy: I can see the Beavers, the Cougars, the Buffaloes, and maybe the Huskies continuing to play the Ducks OOC, but we could probably kiss games like USC, UCLA, and Stanford goodbye.
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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
University of Minnesota

Staying put in the B1G.

Bemidji State

There have been rumors that the Minnesota membership of the NSIC would split into their own conference, so this is a definite possibility.

St. Thomas

Staying put in the MIAC, unless the NSIC splits and the new conference convinces the Tommies to move up.
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(07-02-2017 12:37 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 12:20 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Ohio is refusing now to join the AAC unless the media deal is greatly enhanced.

I didn't know Ohio had received an offer.

We've been in talks on and off for 5 years.

In 2012 we won the Independence Bowl and lost in the Sweet 16 to North Carolina in overtime. That was right as the Big East/AAC was facing their membership crisis. The AAC is primarily interested in our basketball (13,000 seat arena).

Last year when the AAC was looking at a potential raid they met with Ohio's BOD. The response from the Ohio's side was "we want to see how the TV deal goes first". We have a good travel situation in the MAC and don't want to give that up unless its going to make a huge difference.

I'm sure the AAC has had these conversations with BODs of other schools (SoMiss, WKU come to mind) so there isn't really anything special about this.
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Idaho State: unless the totally incompetent president and AD pull their heads out ISU someday could get booted. With decent people running the show, they can be very competitive in Big Sky, as proven by winning FCS title and turning out the best hoops team in conference history.

Utah State: I never went there but live in Logan. They are very happy and content in MWC.


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The only way OU gets an AAC invite is if it gets poached of four or so members, in which case they'd be joining the C-USA from about a decade ago. Anything more is a folly; at the end of the day they're a school who's record attendance is like 25k.

Miami is in a similar position. The C-USA reached out to us and Toledo shortly after Big Ben played and if we went there we'd have a theoretical chance of moving up to the Big East and later the AAC, but no matter what our old AD was gonna tank our athletic program and our chances of advancing. If our program was at its historical peaks (Top 25 and 26k attendance average in football, regular MAC winner and 6k attendance average in basketball, solid Olympic sports) however, we'd probably be on the AAC's short list.
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(07-02-2017 11:42 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The only way OU gets an AAC invite is if it gets poached of four or so members, in which case they'd be joining the C-USA from about a decade ago. Anything more is a folly; at the end of the day they're a school who's record attendance is like 25k.

We would get an invite to the AAC if Cincinnati left the AAC and the AAC was left with an odd number of members. But we're not accepting it unless the AAC improves its TV deal.

Our record attendance is 25.9k set against New Mexico State however we've been averaging 23-24k for Saturday home football games for years now. Midweek games pull our average down to 21k. Some of the better support numbers that you'll find outside of the AAC. Regardless the primary interest here is for our basketball and all our football has to be is decent (hasn't had a losing season since 2008).

For the B12 that would require expanding to 32,000 for it, however that is quite doable and our program could handle that capacity. For the AAC our present capacity is fine. Again B12 would require UC to move to the AAC for some reason and the B12 being desperate for teams but it's a theoretical target for us.
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(07-02-2017 11:07 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 12:37 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 12:20 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Ohio is refusing now to join the AAC unless the media deal is greatly enhanced.

I didn't know Ohio had received an offer.

We've been in talks on and off for 5 years.

In 2012 we won the Independence Bowl and lost in the Sweet 16 to North Carolina in overtime. That was right as the Big East/AAC was facing their membership crisis. The AAC is primarily interested in our basketball (13,000 seat arena).

Last year when the AAC was looking at a potential raid they met with Ohio's BOD. The response from the Ohio's side was "we want to see how the TV deal goes first". We have a good travel situation in the MAC and don't want to give that up unless its going to make a huge difference.

I'm sure the AAC has had these conversations with BODs of other schools (SoMiss, WKU come to mind) so there isn't really anything special about this.

Very interesting. Can you link me to where you learned this?
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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
Marquette - In an optimal conference affiliation with like-minded institutions and athletic programs. While they would probably like to see an addition with Saint Louis at some point down the road, they are, otherwise, currently set.

Georgetown - I'd say that the Big East is probably their optimal conference affiliation, but would likely entertain the ACC (with Duke, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, etc.) if the money and agreement was right. With the ACC without a presence in Maryland, Georgetown (D.C.) would be a nice compliment with Notre Dame (getting to 16 basketball schools). However, since the money will likely never be worth it and with the school once again taking a backseat to football, I'd say there is a very small chance that Georgetown ever goes to the ACC - unless of course there's a unique situation where the Old Big East 5 (Nova, G'town, St. Johns, Seton Hall and Providence) would some how get into the ACC due to football raids, thus creating a need for the hybrid again to keep the contract up.

Notre Dame - Perfect set-up right now. They are free from football conference affiliation, which it desires, and are still able to park Olympics in a conference where it shares history and rivalries with so many members. With their scheduling arrangement in football, they are still able to play USC, Stanford and Navy yearly, without restriction. The only way this arrangement could possibly be improved upon was if there was someway to challenge for a spot in the ACC Championship game but still keeping its five-game scheduling agreement.
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(07-02-2017 11:42 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Miami is in a similar position. The C-USA reached out to us and Toledo shortly after Big Ben played and if we went there we'd have a theoretical chance of moving up to the Big East and later the AAC, but no matter what our old AD was gonna tank our athletic program and our chances of advancing. If our program was at its historical peaks (Top 25 and 26k attendance average in football, regular MAC winner and 6k attendance average in basketball, solid Olympic sports) however, we'd probably be on the AAC's short list.

The best thing about Miami is the academics. Miami has an operating budget larger than BGSU and EMU's combined. If sh!t hit the fan that would keep them ahead of those two in the pecking order.

Primarily though if you don't have Top 25 football the next thing they look at for expansion is the level of basketball. That is why Western Kentucky has emerged as a serious candidate for the AAC. Western Kentucky in it's history has only had a few crowds above 20,000 in football but I guess that doesn't matter.

Miami's investment in football facilities will help it stand out some in the realignment carousel too.
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(07-02-2017 12:07 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 11:07 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 12:37 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 12:20 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Ohio is refusing now to join the AAC unless the media deal is greatly enhanced.

I didn't know Ohio had received an offer.

We've been in talks on and off for 5 years.

In 2012 we won the Independence Bowl and lost in the Sweet 16 to North Carolina in overtime. That was right as the Big East/AAC was facing their membership crisis. The AAC is primarily interested in our basketball (13,000 seat arena).

Last year when the AAC was looking at a potential raid they met with Ohio's BOD. The response from the Ohio's side was "we want to see how the TV deal goes first". We have a good travel situation in the MAC and don't want to give that up unless its going to make a huge difference.

I'm sure the AAC has had these conversations with BODs of other schools (SoMiss, WKU come to mind) so there isn't really anything special about this.

Very interesting. Can you link me to where you learned this?

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- any future super conference with Michigan. In the meantime we'll just have to live with the B1G and a shot at the National title every 4 or 5 years on average

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- ideally a split in the CSU System to allow SJSU to become a true "Taco Tech" (that will cause a great infusion of money)
- hope the MWC holds together. It's the right conference for us
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