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SEC could spend FSU, ACC into oblivion
(07-03-2017 08:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
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(06-29-2017 11:29 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Money is nice, and it is important, but ..... at some point, it's utility has a diminishing return. There are only so many facility face lifts you can do, before other factors are considered by the athletes, who will have to do the work of winning.

School/Classwork -- does this school support me academically? does this have the area of study I want to pursue?

LMAO. good one.

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This isn't up to day with December and May's graduating classes but under Dabo Swinney 129 of 135 senior football players earned their degree. The six who didn't were all active NFL players.

In April's NFL Draft eight of the underclassmen who declared had their degrees. Four of them were from Clemson.

Let's look at Clemson football APR score since education has been brought up. They have a 4 year average of 980 while posting a 964 for 2015-16. Louisville football posted a 988 for their 4 year average for comparison. It would be interesting to see where they stack up with the rest of the ACC.

http://www.tigernet.com/update/Clemson-r...data-26813
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People like Kap and Nole will only ever be happy if they were invited into the SEC. Nothing else will satisfy them. The ACC Network can be a huge success and put the league solidly right behind the SEC and B1G, but ahead of the PAC and B12(which won't even exist), but people like those will still complain 24/7. It's all they know how to do. You aren't joining the SEC, so get over it.

Lol at Kap acting like he actually knows BOT members, or that he speaks for them. BOT members typically act in a sound, rational manner. They aren't raging belligerent internet blowhards like you.
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(07-04-2017 03:09 PM)uofl05 Wrote:  People like Kap and Nole will only ever be happy if they were invited into the SEC. Nothing else will satisfy them. The ACC Network can be a huge success and put the league solidly right behind the SEC and B1G, but ahead of the PAC and B12(which won't even exist), but people like those will still complain 24/7. It's all they know how to do. You aren't joining the SEC, so get over it.

Lol at Kap acting like he actually knows BOT members, or that he speaks for them. BOT members typically act in a sound, rational manner. They aren't raging belligerent internet blowhards like you.

If the ACC payout was equal to or ahead of SEC revenue they would complain a lot less, but probably still find something...
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RE: SEC could spend FSU, ACC into oblivion
(07-03-2017 08:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-03-2017 05:58 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 11:29 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Money is nice, and it is important, but ..... at some point, it's utility has a diminishing return. There are only so many facility face lifts you can do, before other factors are considered by the athletes, who will have to do the work of winning.

School/Classwork -- does this school support me academically? does this have the area of study I want to pursue?

LMAO. good one.

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This isn't up to day with December and May's graduating classes but under Dabo Swinney 129 of 135 senior football players earned their degree. The six who didn't were all active NFL players.

In April's NFL Draft eight of the underclassmen who declared had their degrees. Four of them were from Clemson.
Is there major something useful in the real world?

I'm honestly not trying to be critical. If Clemson is doing things different I applaud them. I've just seen first hand what happens at o The state universities who have "flagship" / elite programs. Hell, even at ECU we have joke degrees for some of our revenue athletes. General college education is what I think it's called. Basically it's a hodgepodge of crypt courses with no practical use for a career.

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RE: SEC could spend FSU, ACC into oblivion
(07-04-2017 09:06 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 04:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  When any of the sports besides football you mentioned bring in more than 20% of our conference revenue we'll start worrying about them. Until then just stop. Nobody outside of Chapel Hill and only a handful of people there care about any of the championships you have won in anything besides basketball.

Keep telling yourself that champ. And again, you bring it right back to the point everyone was making. You sit atop the college football world with this perceived disadvantage. Money matters but not so much when it comes to results on the field. No way FSU would have ever been elevated and did what they did if this perceived disadvantage was actually true. Much respect though.

Just imagine if your school actually cared about football. It wouldn't be 36 years since you won a championship and 66 years since you had been to a major bowl.

But please tell me more about how many women's tiddlywinks championships you have.
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RE: SEC could spend FSU, ACC into oblivion
(07-04-2017 07:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 09:06 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 04:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  When any of the sports besides football you mentioned bring in more than 20% of our conference revenue we'll start worrying about them. Until then just stop. Nobody outside of Chapel Hill and only a handful of people there care about any of the championships you have won in anything besides basketball.

Keep telling yourself that champ. And again, you bring it right back to the point everyone was making. You sit atop the college football world with this perceived disadvantage. Money matters but not so much when it comes to results on the field. No way FSU would have ever been elevated and did what they did if this perceived disadvantage was actually true. Much respect though.

Just imagine if your school actually cared about football. It wouldn't be 36 years since you won a championship and 66 years since you had been to a major bowl.

But please tell me more about how many women's tiddlywinks championships you have.

Duke is historically pretty dominant in Women's Intercollegiate Tiddlywinks, although Emory and Mount Holyoke are on the rise (as demonstrated by the last three championships). UNC-Chapel Hill has never won a national -- their high water mark was in the 2008 regionals when Caitlyn Hughes potted six winks in a row vs. Elon. I was there for that game. That was enough to get the Heels to the super-regionals (Duke had a down year in 2008 due to injuries), but despite having the most talented team in Tar Heel history (anchored by the Hughes sisters, McAdams, and Olobeyendo) they were disqualified in the next round against the ASC Scotties for using an improperly weighted squidger.

I know UNC-Chapel Hill aren't exactly world-beaters in WTW, but it's kind of strange to hear a Clemson fan trying to talk Tiddlywinks smack when Clemson hasn't even fielded a team for six seasons, and never got very far when they did (the Tigers' 1999 road win over eventual national champ Duke is the only memorable accomplishment I can think of).
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(07-04-2017 08:24 PM)opossum Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 07:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 09:06 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 04:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  When any of the sports besides football you mentioned bring in more than 20% of our conference revenue we'll start worrying about them. Until then just stop. Nobody outside of Chapel Hill and only a handful of people there care about any of the championships you have won in anything besides basketball.

Keep telling yourself that champ. And again, you bring it right back to the point everyone was making. You sit atop the college football world with this perceived disadvantage. Money matters but not so much when it comes to results on the field. No way FSU would have ever been elevated and did what they did if this perceived disadvantage was actually true. Much respect though.

Just imagine if your school actually cared about football. It wouldn't be 36 years since you won a championship and 66 years since you had been to a major bowl.

But please tell me more about how many women's tiddlywinks championships you have.

Duke is historically pretty dominant in Women's Intercollegiate Tiddlywinks, although Emory and Mount Holyoke are on the rise (as demonstrated by the last three championships). UNC-Chapel Hill has never won a national -- their high water mark was in the 2008 regionals when Caitlyn Hughes potted six winks in a row vs. Elon. I was there for that game. That was enough to get the Heels to the super-regionals (Duke had a down year in 2008 due to injuries), but despite having the most talented team in Tar Heel history (anchored by the Hughes sisters, McAdams, and Olobeyendo) they were disqualified in the next round against the ASC Scotties for using an improperly weighted squidger.

I know UNC-Chapel Hill aren't exactly world-beaters in WTW, but it's kind of strange to hear a Clemson fan trying to talk Tiddlywinks smack when Clemson hasn't even fielded a team for six seasons, and never got very far when they did (the Tigers' 1999 road win over eventual national champ Duke is the only memorable accomplishment I can think of).

Wait, there actually is a college sport for tiddlywinks?
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RE: SEC could spend FSU, ACC into oblivion
(07-04-2017 03:41 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(07-03-2017 08:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-03-2017 05:58 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 11:29 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Money is nice, and it is important, but ..... at some point, it's utility has a diminishing return. There are only so many facility face lifts you can do, before other factors are considered by the athletes, who will have to do the work of winning.

School/Classwork -- does this school support me academically? does this have the area of study I want to pursue?

LMAO. good one.

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This isn't up to day with December and May's graduating classes but under Dabo Swinney 129 of 135 senior football players earned their degree. The six who didn't were all active NFL players.

In April's NFL Draft eight of the underclassmen who declared had their degrees. Four of them were from Clemson.
Is there major something useful in the real world?

I'm honestly not trying to be critical. If Clemson is doing things different I applaud them. I've just seen first hand what happens at o The state universities who have "flagship" / elite programs. Hell, even at ECU we have joke degrees for some of our revenue athletes. General college education is what I think it's called. Basically it's a hodgepodge of crypt courses with no practical use for a career.

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Most of these athletes can always fall back on teaching/coaching. You can't begin to do that without a degree. Even a general college education degree could get you started in most places.

To truly advance as a teacher, you'd prolly need to get a masters. But that ain't as hard as it sounds. I know some pretty stupid people who've achieved that.

And I know this too --- in Jefferson County (Louisville KY), they SEEK male teachers for middle school as there is a huge demand for that. I'd be shocked if that wasn't a need all over the country. You want a gig when your NFL dream isn't realized? Become a teacher, and coach on the side ... maybe THAT will turn into bigger things for you, as you work your way up the ladder.

The bottom line is this .... once these kids get to campus, and realize they aren't the baddest a$$ around like they were in high school (which will be most of them), figuring out what you'll do after graduating becomes a bigger deal. And any coach worth two cents will be selling this aspect of the opportunity at his school.
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(07-04-2017 11:44 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 03:41 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(07-03-2017 08:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-03-2017 05:58 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 11:29 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Money is nice, and it is important, but ..... at some point, it's utility has a diminishing return. There are only so many facility face lifts you can do, before other factors are considered by the athletes, who will have to do the work of winning.

School/Classwork -- does this school support me academically? does this have the area of study I want to pursue?

LMAO. good one.

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This isn't up to day with December and May's graduating classes but under Dabo Swinney 129 of 135 senior football players earned their degree. The six who didn't were all active NFL players.

In April's NFL Draft eight of the underclassmen who declared had their degrees. Four of them were from Clemson.
Is there major something useful in the real world?

I'm honestly not trying to be critical. If Clemson is doing things different I applaud them. I've just seen first hand what happens at o The state universities who have "flagship" / elite programs. Hell, even at ECU we have joke degrees for some of our revenue athletes. General college education is what I think it's called. Basically it's a hodgepodge of crypt courses with no practical use for a career.

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Most of these athletes can always fall back on teaching/coaching. You can't begin to do that without a degree. Even a general college education degree could get you started in most places.

To truly advance as a teacher, you'd prolly need to get a masters. But that ain't as hard as it sounds. I know some pretty stupid people who've achieved that.

And I know this too --- in Jefferson County (Louisville KY), they SEEK male teachers for middle school as there is a huge demand for that. I'd be shocked if that wasn't a need all over the country. You want a gig when your NFL dream isn't realized? Become a teacher, and coach on the side ... maybe THAT will turn into bigger things for you, as you work your way up the ladder.

The bottom line is this .... once these kids get to campus, and realize they aren't the baddest a$$ around like they were in high school (which will be most of them), figuring out what you'll do after graduating becomes a bigger deal. And any coach worth two cents will be selling this aspect of the opportunity at his school.

The list of revenue athletes who have flamed out in the real world is a very long one.
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(07-04-2017 07:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 09:06 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 04:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  When any of the sports besides football you mentioned bring in more than 20% of our conference revenue we'll start worrying about them. Until then just stop. Nobody outside of Chapel Hill and only a handful of people there care about any of the championships you have won in anything besides basketball.

Keep telling yourself that champ. And again, you bring it right back to the point everyone was making. You sit atop the college football world with this perceived disadvantage. Money matters but not so much when it comes to results on the field. No way FSU would have ever been elevated and did what they did if this perceived disadvantage was actually true. Much respect though.

Just imagine if your school actually cared about football. It wouldn't be 36 years since you won a championship and 66 years since you had been to a major bowl.

But please tell me more about how many women's tiddlywinks championships you have.

And yet our athletic department's success is far superior to Clemson's. One trick pony.... no, 5 trick pony much. Imagine if Clemson actually tried to be successful in other sports, Clemson may have more than 5 National Championships to their name. And to think, the success in the sport that the university is known for is not very frequent. Hell, there have been eclipses and comets that appear more frequently than Clemson winning a title in the sport that is supposed to be their claim to fame. Dude, just enjoy your 36 year title.
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I'm a Clemson and GT alum. I know many Clemson alumns and season ticket holders.

Just about all of them are quite happy in the ACC especially with the football resurgence of the ACC.

A few exceptions are some old timers that hold a grudge against Swofford from the 80s, but are resigned to make the best of it since the ACC is locked together for nearly 20 more years.

Most I talk to realize the ACC made mistakes in the past, but think the future is very bright for the conference.
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(07-05-2017 11:10 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 07:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 09:06 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 04:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  When any of the sports besides football you mentioned bring in more than 20% of our conference revenue we'll start worrying about them. Until then just stop. Nobody outside of Chapel Hill and only a handful of people there care about any of the championships you have won in anything besides basketball.

Keep telling yourself that champ. And again, you bring it right back to the point everyone was making. You sit atop the college football world with this perceived disadvantage. Money matters but not so much when it comes to results on the field. No way FSU would have ever been elevated and did what they did if this perceived disadvantage was actually true. Much respect though.

Just imagine if your school actually cared about football. It wouldn't be 36 years since you won a championship and 66 years since you had been to a major bowl.

But please tell me more about how many women's tiddlywinks championships you have.

And yet our athletic department's success is far superior to Clemson's. One trick pony.... no, 5 trick pony much. Imagine if Clemson actually tried to be successful in other sports, Clemson may have more than 5 National Championships to their name. And to think, the success in the sport that the university is known for is not very frequent. Hell, there have been eclipses and comets that appear more frequently than Clemson winning a title in the sport that is supposed to be their claim to fame. Dude, just enjoy your 36 year title.

I would take football titles over everything else.
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(07-05-2017 02:03 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  I would take football titles over everything else.

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(07-05-2017 02:03 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
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(07-04-2017 07:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 09:06 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 04:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  When any of the sports besides football you mentioned bring in more than 20% of our conference revenue we'll start worrying about them. Until then just stop. Nobody outside of Chapel Hill and only a handful of people there care about any of the championships you have won in anything besides basketball.

Keep telling yourself that champ. And again, you bring it right back to the point everyone was making. You sit atop the college football world with this perceived disadvantage. Money matters but not so much when it comes to results on the field. No way FSU would have ever been elevated and did what they did if this perceived disadvantage was actually true. Much respect though.

Just imagine if your school actually cared about football. It wouldn't be 36 years since you won a championship and 66 years since you had been to a major bowl.

But please tell me more about how many women's tiddlywinks championships you have.

And yet our athletic department's success is far superior to Clemson's. One trick pony.... no, 5 trick pony much. Imagine if Clemson actually tried to be successful in other sports, Clemson may have more than 5 National Championships to their name. And to think, the success in the sport that the university is known for is not very frequent. Hell, there have been eclipses and comets that appear more frequently than Clemson winning a title in the sport that is supposed to be their claim to fame. Dude, just enjoy your 36 year title.

I would take football titles over everything else.

I would take a football title as well but a certainly would not forsake National Championships in other sports. So, I guess by that logic, South Carolina's 2 baseball titles (first in the school's history) and first women's bball title means absolutely nothing to you. To each his/her own.
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(07-05-2017 07:02 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(07-05-2017 02:03 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(07-05-2017 11:10 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 07:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 09:06 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  Keep telling yourself that champ. And again, you bring it right back to the point everyone was making. You sit atop the college football world with this perceived disadvantage. Money matters but not so much when it comes to results on the field. No way FSU would have ever been elevated and did what they did if this perceived disadvantage was actually true. Much respect though.

Just imagine if your school actually cared about football. It wouldn't be 36 years since you won a championship and 66 years since you had been to a major bowl.

But please tell me more about how many women's tiddlywinks championships you have.

And yet our athletic department's success is far superior to Clemson's. One trick pony.... no, 5 trick pony much. Imagine if Clemson actually tried to be successful in other sports, Clemson may have more than 5 National Championships to their name. And to think, the success in the sport that the university is known for is not very frequent. Hell, there have been eclipses and comets that appear more frequently than Clemson winning a title in the sport that is supposed to be their claim to fame. Dude, just enjoy your 36 year title.

I would take football titles over everything else.

I would take a football title as well but a certainly would not forsake National Championships in other sports. So, I guess by that logic, South Carolina's 2 baseball titles (first in the school's history) and first women's bball title means absolutely nothing to you. To each his/her own.

They are nice but nothing in comparison to a football title. All national championships are welcome but trying to compare any other sports national championship to football is not comparable. Even combining all of them I'd still give up all of them for a football championship.
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Here's a rough formula for comparing sports.
1 football championship
= 5 men's basketball championships
= 50 championships in all other sports

It's nice to have schools like UNC (MBB) and UVA (multiple sports), but they aren't as valuable as Clemson, FSU or Miami.
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(07-06-2017 12:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Here's a rough formula for comparing sports.
1 football championship
= 10 men's basketball championships
= 100 baseball championships
= 10000 championships in all other sports

It's nice to have schools like UNC (MBB) and UVA (multiple sports), but they aren't as valuable as Clemson, FSU or Miami.

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(07-06-2017 12:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Here's a rough formula for comparing sports.
1 football championship
= 5 men's basketball championships
= 50 championships in all other sports

It's nice to have schools like UNC (MBB) and UVA (multiple sports), but they aren't as valuable as Clemson, FSU or Miami.
I think it's 1 fb, 4 MBB, 999,999,999,...,999 everything else.
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(07-06-2017 12:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Here's a rough formula for comparing sports.
1 football championship
= 5 men's basketball championships
= 50 championships in all other sports

It's nice to have schools like UNC (MBB) and UVA (multiple sports), but they aren't as valuable as Clemson, FSU or Miami.

I assume we're only talking about revenue in these ratios, not school pride or bragging rights. I'd personally trade at least one past WTW championship for an extra past MBB championship, without even considering the revenue impact ($8.5 million to the conference for a men's basketball title plus more donations, merchandise sales, etc. for the school as well as bragging rights vs. no additional conference revenue for WTW).
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