Stop the pantwetting. I believe ecu's budget last year was 49 million. It would now be 45 million. We're not cutting the budget in half. This was inevitable since we were running in the red. If memory serves some other AAC teams were in the red as well last time I checked sometime last fall.

For clarity I don't like Compher, but it is what it is

(07-02-2017 07:17 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 08:54 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 08:40 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 06:25 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 04:29 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  I suspect that any downturn in the economy and many of our universities could be looking at budget freezes, etc. We've all been spending $ thinking that "just a little more" would put us over the top to big crowds, higher media contracts, bigger conference, etc. That stuff just hasn't come to pass and budgets have to balanced at some point.

Historically, I believe that ECU and USM have probably done the best job of any of us in squeezing wins out of dollars.

I feel exactly the opposite. The commitment that's been shown so far financially has yielded very good results for the AAC.
If you are referring to an invite to the Big 12, that was always pie in the sky. The AAC has set a bar now to make this conference nationally relevant across the board, and the early returns are good.
The P6 campaign is real and if you need any more proof look at the competitive number of draftees in the major sports.
Let's put it into its proper perspective. We haven't even gotten to our first contract renegotiation yet.

ECU needs to decide if they're committed. Seriously committed. They've been spending on stadium upgrades and womens sports, so you'll have a hard time convincing me that Compher is incapable of raising money for a coaching upgrade in basketball. Their basketball schedule is what it is as well, and that's not an issue of being frugal. That's an issue of being committed to playing good basketball.

The budget now is concerning. If they want to spend at a CUSA level, they should be in CUSA. It's clear they haven't adjusted their program after the move up. I'm sure a school like ODU would not squander the opportunity.

Well........

I assume you're bolding that because some of us were in earlier incarnations with Louisville, Marquette, TCU, etc?
Did you know that Wichita State has shared a conference with some of us already as well (the MVC)?
Schools bolted those conferences because their budgets were out of proportion to the schools that are in those conferences now. I don't have to tell you... The big budget teams left the MWC as well. Now you're stuck there.

ECU needs to decide if they're going to be competitive, instead of hoping other teams fall to their spending level.

So self conscious.......using the logical fallacy of attacking others.......

It wasn't an attack. I was merely pointing out the MWC's budgets are at subterranean levels... and any relevance that conference once had has suffered as a result.
As for ECU, the concern has more to do with the fact that they are bringing up the rear in most of the sports already.

Time to vote on what to do with EcU

(07-02-2017 01:51 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Time to vote on what to do with EcU

Some of these comments are just stupid.

Here's the most recent figures (2014-15) for athletic finances for the AAC FBS public schools: (LINK)
Nat'l Rank * School * Total Revenue * Total Expenses * Subsidy * %Subsidy
48 * Connecticut * $72,155,789 * $72,062,423 * $28,070,681 * 38.90
54 * Cincinnati * $52,536,185 * $51,717,370 * $23,182,129 * 44.13
55 * Central Florida * $51,455,603 * $47,647,475 * $24,772,104 * 48.14
58 * East Carolina * $48,918,305 * $49,352,531 * $18,053,311 * 36.91
59 * South Florida * $45,479,012 * $46,860,838 * $21,774,572 * 47.88
62 * Houston * $44,815,210 * $45,437,942 * $25,994,014 * 58.00
65 * Memphis * $43,430,404 * $43,287,138 * $18,187,902 * 41.88

Here's ECU's revenue since 2005:
YEAR * TOTAL REVENUES
2005 * $21,128,219
2006 * $22,668,129
2007 * $25,156,642
2008 * $29,268,128
2009 * $31,984,658
2010 * $32,280,456
2011 * $34,048,869
2012 * $35,575,172
2013 * $35,805,232
2014 * $36,598,782
2015 * $48,918,305

Here's some actual facts:
ECU is not at the bottom of the conference in revenue. ECU has overspent for the last 3 years reported. In 2015, ECU overspent less than 9/10 of 1 percent with almost $49,000,000 in revenue. ECU has more revenue than at least 3 AAC schools and the lowest subsidy among AAC programs. Since 2005 revenue has gone up every year, up 231%. Since last year, $28,000,000 has been raised for the $55,000,000 South Side Renovation project.

We're not kicking out South Florida, Houston and Memphis for having less revenue than ECU.

The sky is not falling. If there has been a dip in revenue for 2016, some belt tightening is needed. Just need 1 percent of the budget for the next 5 years to replace Lebo. Any wealthy donors reading this?


Sidenote: It would be interesting to see the finances for Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and Temple.

(07-02-2017 05:28 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 01:51 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Time to vote on what to do with EcU

Some of these comments are just stupid.

Here's the most recent figures (2014-15) for athletic finances for the AAC FBS public schools: (LINK)
Nat'l Rank * School * Total Revenue * Total Expenses * Subsidy * %Subsidy
48 * Connecticut * $72,155,789 * $72,062,423 * $28,070,681 * 38.90
54 * Cincinnati * $52,536,185 * $51,717,370 * $23,182,129 * 44.13
55 * Central Florida * $51,455,603 * $47,647,475 * $24,772,104 * 48.14
58 * East Carolina * $48,918,305 * $49,352,531 * $18,053,311 * 36.91
59 * South Florida * $45,479,012 * $46,860,838 * $21,774,572 * 47.88
62 * Houston * $44,815,210 * $45,437,942 * $25,994,014 * 58.00
65 * Memphis * $43,430,404 * $43,287,138 * $18,187,902 * 41.88

Here's ECU's revenue since 2005:
YEAR * TOTAL REVENUES
2005 * $21,128,219
2006 * $22,668,129
2007 * $25,156,642
2008 * $29,268,128
2009 * $31,984,658
2010 * $32,280,456
2011 * $34,048,869
2012 * $35,575,172
2013 * $35,805,232
2014 * $36,598,782
2015 * $48,918,305

Here's some actual facts:
ECU is not at the bottom of the conference in revenue. ECU has overspent for the last 3 years reported. In 2015, ECU overspent less than 9/10 of 1 percent with almost $49,000,000 in revenue. ECU has more revenue than at least 3 AAC schools and the lowest subsidy among AAC programs. Since 2005 revenue has gone up every year, up 231%. Since last year, $28,000,000 has been raised for the $55,000,000 South Side Renovation project.

We're not kicking out South Florida, Houston and Memphis for having less revenue than ECU.

The sky is not falling. If there has been a dip in revenue for 2016, some belt tightening is needed. Just need 1 percent of the budget for the next 5 years to replace Lebo. Any wealthy donors reading this?


Sidenote: It would be interesting to see the finances for Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and Temple.

so when are y'all leaving?

(07-02-2017 05:28 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 01:51 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Time to vote on what to do with EcU

Some of these comments are just stupid.

Here's the most recent figures (2014-15) for athletic finances for the AAC FBS public schools: (LINK)
Nat'l Rank * School * Total Revenue * Total Expenses * Subsidy * %Subsidy
48 * Connecticut * $72,155,789 * $72,062,423 * $28,070,681 * 38.90
54 * Cincinnati * $52,536,185 * $51,717,370 * $23,182,129 * 44.13
55 * Central Florida * $51,455,603 * $47,647,475 * $24,772,104 * 48.14
58 * East Carolina * $48,918,305 * $49,352,531 * $18,053,311 * 36.91
59 * South Florida * $45,479,012 * $46,860,838 * $21,774,572 * 47.88
62 * Houston * $44,815,210 * $45,437,942 * $25,994,014 * 58.00
65 * Memphis * $43,430,404 * $43,287,138 * $18,187,902 * 41.88

Here's ECU's revenue since 2005:
YEAR * TOTAL REVENUES
2005 * $21,128,219
2006 * $22,668,129
2007 * $25,156,642
2008 * $29,268,128
2009 * $31,984,658
2010 * $32,280,456
2011 * $34,048,869
2012 * $35,575,172
2013 * $35,805,232
2014 * $36,598,782
2015 * $48,918,305

Here's some actual facts:
ECU is not at the bottom of the conference in revenue. ECU has overspent for the last 3 years reported. In 2015, ECU overspent less than 9/10 of 1 percent with almost $49,000,000 in revenue. ECU has more revenue than at least 3 AAC schools and the lowest subsidy among AAC programs. Since 2005 revenue has gone up every year, up 231%. Since last year, $28,000,000 has been raised for the $55,000,000 South Side Renovation project.

We're not kicking out South Florida, Houston and Memphis for having less revenue than ECU.

The sky is not falling. If there has been a dip in revenue for 2016, some belt tightening is needed. Just need 1 percent of the budget for the next 5 years to replace Lebo. Any wealthy donors reading this?


Sidenote: It would be interesting to see the finances for Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and Temple.

2015/2016 numbers supplied to the govt for Title 9 purposes, show Houston at $50m, Memphis at $49m, USF at $48m and ECU at $43m. Surprised by fball revenue, I would have expected more based on Pirate attendance numbers alone.

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

(07-02-2017 07:03 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  2015/2016 numbers supplied to the govt for Title 9 purposes, show Houston at $50m, Memphis at $49m, USF at $48m and ECU at $43m. Surprised by fball revenue, I would have expected more based on Pirate attendance numbers alone.

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

Wow... Those numbers make more sense.
ECU is trending in the wrong direction. Basketball could be a big resource for them if they just put forth the effort. What's the old saying... It takes money to make money.

(07-02-2017 05:28 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 01:51 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Time to vote on what to do with EcU

Some of these comments are just stupid.

Here's the most recent figures (2014-15) for athletic finances for the AAC FBS public schools: (LINK)
Nat'l Rank * School * Total Revenue * Total Expenses * Subsidy * %Subsidy
48 * Connecticut * $72,155,789 * $72,062,423 * $28,070,681 * 38.90
54 * Cincinnati * $52,536,185 * $51,717,370 * $23,182,129 * 44.13
55 * Central Florida * $51,455,603 * $47,647,475 * $24,772,104 * 48.14
58 * East Carolina * $48,918,305 * $49,352,531 * $18,053,311 * 36.91
59 * South Florida * $45,479,012 * $46,860,838 * $21,774,572 * 47.88
62 * Houston * $44,815,210 * $45,437,942 * $25,994,014 * 58.00
65 * Memphis * $43,430,404 * $43,287,138 * $18,187,902 * 41.88

Here's ECU's revenue since 2005:
YEAR * TOTAL REVENUES
2005 * $21,128,219
2006 * $22,668,129
2007 * $25,156,642
2008 * $29,268,128
2009 * $31,984,658
2010 * $32,280,456
2011 * $34,048,869
2012 * $35,575,172
2013 * $35,805,232
2014 * $36,598,782
2015 * $48,918,305

Here's some actual facts:
ECU is not at the bottom of the conference in revenue. ECU has overspent for the last 3 years reported. In 2015, ECU overspent less than 9/10 of 1 percent with almost $49,000,000 in revenue. ECU has more revenue than at least 3 AAC schools and the lowest subsidy among AAC programs. Since 2005 revenue has gone up every year, up 231%. Since last year, $28,000,000 has been raised for the $55,000,000 South Side Renovation project.

We're not kicking out South Florida, Houston and Memphis for having less revenue than ECU.

The sky is not falling. If there has been a dip in revenue for 2016, some belt tightening is needed. Just need 1 percent of the budget for the next 5 years to replace Lebo. Any wealthy donors reading this?


Sidenote: It would be interesting to see the finances for Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and Temple.

Solid. +2

(07-02-2017 07:30 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 07:03 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  2015/2016 numbers supplied to the govt for Title 9 purposes, show Houston at $50m, Memphis at $49m, USF at $48m and ECU at $43m. Surprised by fball revenue, I would have expected more based on Pirate attendance numbers alone.

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

Wow... Those numbers make more sense.
ECU is trending in the wrong direction. Basketball could be a big resource for them if they just put forth the effort. What's the old saying... It takes money to make money.

Sadly the school routinely called "Eastern Carolina" is here to stay IMO. Oh and I see no changes on their historically bad basketball program --- nothing indicates any changes.

(07-02-2017 11:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 07:17 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 08:54 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 08:40 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 06:25 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  I feel exactly the opposite. The commitment that's been shown so far financially has yielded very good results for the AAC.
If you are referring to an invite to the Big 12, that was always pie in the sky. The AAC has set a bar now to make this conference nationally relevant across the board, and the early returns are good.
The P6 campaign is real and if you need any more proof look at the competitive number of draftees in the major sports.
Let's put it into its proper perspective. We haven't even gotten to our first contract renegotiation yet.

ECU needs to decide if they're committed. Seriously committed. They've been spending on stadium upgrades and womens sports, so you'll have a hard time convincing me that Compher is incapable of raising money for a coaching upgrade in basketball. Their basketball schedule is what it is as well, and that's not an issue of being frugal. That's an issue of being committed to playing good basketball.

The budget now is concerning. If they want to spend at a CUSA level, they should be in CUSA. It's clear they haven't adjusted their program after the move up. I'm sure a school like ODU would not squander the opportunity.

Well........

I assume you're bolding that because some of us were in earlier incarnations with Louisville, Marquette, TCU, etc?
Did you know that Wichita State has shared a conference with some of us already as well (the MVC)?
Schools bolted those conferences because their budgets were out of proportion to the schools that are in those conferences now. I don't have to tell you... The big budget teams left the MWC as well. Now you're stuck there.

ECU needs to decide if they're going to be competitive, instead of hoping other teams fall to their spending level.

So self conscious.......using the logical fallacy of attacking others.......

It wasn't an attack. I was merely pointing out the MWC's budgets are at subterranean levels... and any relevance that conference once had has suffered as a result.
As for ECU, the concern has more to do with the fact that they are bringing up the rear in most of the sports already.

Revenue: 2014-2015

55. Central Florida AAC $51,455,603
56 Air Force Mt. West $50,191,669
57 San Diego State Mt. West $49,011,745
58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305
59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012
60 Nevada-Las Vegas Mt. West $45,015,536

Wow, look at that disparity (insert sarcasm).

I will tell you the same thing I tell my daughter.......your emotions, do not dictate reality.

(07-02-2017 09:50 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 11:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 07:17 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 08:54 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 08:40 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Well........

I assume you're bolding that because some of us were in earlier incarnations with Louisville, Marquette, TCU, etc?
Did you know that Wichita State has shared a conference with some of us already as well (the MVC)?
Schools bolted those conferences because their budgets were out of proportion to the schools that are in those conferences now. I don't have to tell you... The big budget teams left the MWC as well. Now you're stuck there.

ECU needs to decide if they're going to be competitive, instead of hoping other teams fall to their spending level.

So self conscious.......using the logical fallacy of attacking others.......

It wasn't an attack. I was merely pointing out the MWC's budgets are at subterranean levels... and any relevance that conference once had has suffered as a result.
As for ECU, the concern has more to do with the fact that they are bringing up the rear in most of the sports already.

Revenue: 2014-2015

55. Central Florida AAC $51,455,603
56 Air Force Mt. West $50,191,669
57 San Diego State Mt. West $49,011,745
58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305
59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012
60 Nevada-Las Vegas Mt. West $45,015,536

Wow, look at that disparity (insert sarcasm).

I will tell you the same thing I tell my daughter.......your emotions, do not dictate reality.

Hmmm, notice you left off our top school and only went to three, whats the rest of your league doing? Where is Navy on this list, they and Air force should be a nice comparison.
See when you only do a partial look at statistics you can make them say anything.

(07-02-2017 09:50 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 11:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It wasn't an attack. I was merely pointing out the MWC's budgets are at subterranean levels... and any relevance that conference once had has suffered as a result.
As for ECU, the concern has more to do with the fact that they are bringing up the rear in most of the sports already.

Revenue: 2014-2015

55. Central Florida AAC $51,455,603
56 Air Force Mt. West $50,191,669
57 San Diego State Mt. West $49,011,745
58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305
59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012
60 Nevada-Las Vegas Mt. West $45,015,536

Wow, look at that disparity (insert sarcasm).

I will tell you the same thing I tell my daughter.......your emotions, do not dictate reality.

2014-2015?

Here are the basketball budgets for 2016-2017... for comparison's sake...

AAC
12) University of Memphis 11,226,419
17) University of Connecticut 9,516,308
43) University of Cincinnati 7,421,986
53) Southern Methodist University 7,086,547
56) Wichita State University 6,920,933
70) University of Tulsa 6,174,244
76) University of Houston 6,023,125
78) Temple University 5,920,903
92) University of South Florida-Main Campus 4,711,026
102) Tulane University of Louisiana 3,987,379
119) East Carolina University 3,187,963
120) University of Central Florida 3,166,282
 
MWC
79) San Diego State University 5,734,713
86) University of Nevada-Las Vegas 5,386,263
95) Colorado State University-Fort Collins 4,264,867
103) University of New Mexico-Main Campus 3,736,179
105) University of Wyoming 3,702,699
113) Utah State University 3,363,296
118) California State University-Fresno 3,234,934
152) Boise State University 2,503,447
169) University of Nevada-Reno 2,288,942
207) San Jose State University 1,851,101
Air Force - No Info

Top 10 Men's Basketball Budgets
1) University of Kentucky 18,910,412
2) University of Louisville 17,900,031
3) Duke University 17,890,632
4) Syracuse University 13,876,720
5) Indiana University-Bloomington 12,129,479
6) University of Arizona 11,761,006
7) Florida State University 11,730,040
8) University of Kansas 11,636,720
9) Georgetown University 11,343,826
10) Marquette University 11,308,266

(07-03-2017 02:31 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 09:50 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 11:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 07:17 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 08:54 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  I assume you're bolding that because some of us were in earlier incarnations with Louisville, Marquette, TCU, etc?
Did you know that Wichita State has shared a conference with some of us already as well (the MVC)?
Schools bolted those conferences because their budgets were out of proportion to the schools that are in those conferences now. I don't have to tell you... The big budget teams left the MWC as well. Now you're stuck there.

ECU needs to decide if they're going to be competitive, instead of hoping other teams fall to their spending level.

So self conscious.......using the logical fallacy of attacking others.......

It wasn't an attack. I was merely pointing out the MWC's budgets are at subterranean levels... and any relevance that conference once had has suffered as a result.
As for ECU, the concern has more to do with the fact that they are bringing up the rear in most of the sports already.

Revenue: 2014-2015

55. Central Florida AAC $51,455,603
56 Air Force Mt. West $50,191,669
57 San Diego State Mt. West $49,011,745
58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305
59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012
60 Nevada-Las Vegas Mt. West $45,015,536

Wow, look at that disparity (insert sarcasm).

I will tell you the same thing I tell my daughter.......your emotions, do not dictate reality.

Hmmm, notice you left off our top school and only went to three, whats the rest of your league doing? Where is Navy on this list, they and Air force should be a nice comparison.
See when you only do a partial look at statistics you can make them say anything.

Yup.. fanhood gonna fanhood

(07-03-2017 02:31 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 09:50 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 11:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 07:17 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 08:54 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  I assume you're bolding that because some of us were in earlier incarnations with Louisville, Marquette, TCU, etc?
Did you know that Wichita State has shared a conference with some of us already as well (the MVC)?
Schools bolted those conferences because their budgets were out of proportion to the schools that are in those conferences now. I don't have to tell you... The big budget teams left the MWC as well. Now you're stuck there.

ECU needs to decide if they're going to be competitive, instead of hoping other teams fall to their spending level.

So self conscious.......using the logical fallacy of attacking others.......

It wasn't an attack. I was merely pointing out the MWC's budgets are at subterranean levels... and any relevance that conference once had has suffered as a result.
As for ECU, the concern has more to do with the fact that they are bringing up the rear in most of the sports already.

Revenue: 2014-2015

55. Central Florida AAC $51,455,603
56 Air Force Mt. West $50,191,669
57 San Diego State Mt. West $49,011,745
58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305
59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012
60 Nevada-Las Vegas Mt. West $45,015,536

Wow, look at that disparity (insert sarcasm).

I will tell you the same thing I tell my daughter.......your emotions, do not dictate reality.

Hmmm, notice you left off our top school and only went to three, whats the rest of your league doing? Where is Navy on this list, they and Air force should be a nice comparison.
See when you only do a partial look at statistics you can make them say anything.

I just grabbed a bundle of schools. With that, you just proved my point. Any statistician is going to throw away the outliers. Sorry pal, those were the highest teams on the list. Again, your emotions do not dictate reality.

(07-03-2017 07:42 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 02:31 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 09:50 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 11:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 07:17 AM)fanhood Wrote:  So self conscious.......using the logical fallacy of attacking others.......

It wasn't an attack. I was merely pointing out the MWC's budgets are at subterranean levels... and any relevance that conference once had has suffered as a result.
As for ECU, the concern has more to do with the fact that they are bringing up the rear in most of the sports already.

Revenue: 2014-2015

55. Central Florida AAC $51,455,603
56 Air Force Mt. West $50,191,669
57 San Diego State Mt. West $49,011,745
58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305
59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012
60 Nevada-Las Vegas Mt. West $45,015,536

Wow, look at that disparity (insert sarcasm).

I will tell you the same thing I tell my daughter.......your emotions, do not dictate reality.

Hmmm, notice you left off our top school and only went to three, whats the rest of your league doing? Where is Navy on this list, they and Air force should be a nice comparison.
See when you only do a partial look at statistics you can make them say anything.

Yup.. fanhood gonna fanhood

Mmmmmm, yea. You made a statement. I provided the revenue of each teams, showing that there is basically no difference between the two conferences regarding said revenue.

(07-03-2017 08:10 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 07:42 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 02:31 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 09:50 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 11:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It wasn't an attack. I was merely pointing out the MWC's budgets are at subterranean levels... and any relevance that conference once had has suffered as a result.
As for ECU, the concern has more to do with the fact that they are bringing up the rear in most of the sports already.

Revenue: 2014-2015

55. Central Florida AAC $51,455,603
56 Air Force Mt. West $50,191,669
57 San Diego State Mt. West $49,011,745
58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305
59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012
60 Nevada-Las Vegas Mt. West $45,015,536

Wow, look at that disparity (insert sarcasm).

I will tell you the same thing I tell my daughter.......your emotions, do not dictate reality.

Hmmm, notice you left off our top school and only went to three, whats the rest of your league doing? Where is Navy on this list, they and Air force should be a nice comparison.
See when you only do a partial look at statistics you can make them say anything.

Yup.. fanhood gonna fanhood

Mmmmmm, yea. You made a statement. I provided the revenue of each teams, showing that there is basically no difference between the two conferences regarding said revenue.

So your argument is the MWC has 3 teams that can hang with the bottom of the AAC?

Look at those budgets.

(07-02-2017 05:28 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  Here's ECU's revenue since 2005:
YEAR * TOTAL REVENUES
2005 * $21,128,219
2006 * $22,668,129
2007 * $25,156,642
2008 * $29,268,128
2009 * $31,984,658
2010 * $32,280,456
2011 * $34,048,869
2012 * $35,575,172
2013 * $35,805,232
2014 * $36,598,782
2015 * $48,918,305

Revenue and Budget are two separate things.

Compher has said in the past that Mo and Lebo are adjusting to the step up to the AAC...

Well, has Compher done his part to provide his ECU athletic programs with AAC-level budgets?

I believe that answer to be "no"... From your list that shows ECU's increasing revenue, it makes no sense for the budgets not to be adjusted for the move up. A condition of IUPUI's step up to the Horizon was that they increase the budgets significantly.

ECU seems to have gotten a bump in revenue. So, an actual budget cut is a very bad sign.

(07-03-2017 08:06 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 02:31 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 09:50 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 11:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 07:17 AM)fanhood Wrote:  So self conscious.......using the logical fallacy of attacking others.......

It wasn't an attack. I was merely pointing out the MWC's budgets are at subterranean levels... and any relevance that conference once had has suffered as a result.
As for ECU, the concern has more to do with the fact that they are bringing up the rear in most of the sports already.

Revenue: 2014-2015

55. Central Florida AAC $51,455,603
56 Air Force Mt. West $50,191,669
57 San Diego State Mt. West $49,011,745
58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305
59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012
60 Nevada-Las Vegas Mt. West $45,015,536

Wow, look at that disparity (insert sarcasm).

I will tell you the same thing I tell my daughter.......your emotions, do not dictate reality.

Hmmm, notice you left off our top school and only went to three, whats the rest of your league doing? Where is Navy on this list, they and Air force should be a nice comparison.
See when you only do a partial look at statistics you can make them say anything.

I just grabbed a bundle of schools. With that, you just proved my point. Any statistician is going to throw away the outliers. Sorry pal, those were the highest teams on the list. Again, your emotions do not dictate reality.

And you answering the question you want doesn't make your answer right.

I never said anything about throwing out the outliers. I said i noticed you didn't include all the budgets. In fact you picked budgets 3,4,5 that we have numbers for in the AAC and compared them to the top three of the MWC. Thats a false comparison. I even pointed out the two academies would be a great comparison as they have similar restrictions and advantages. I wanted a full comparison, i mean only having 9 or 10 different data points means it doesn't do you much good to eliminate outliers because.there isn't enough examples to truely have outliers.

So yeah Fanhood gonna fanhood and looks as though its genetic from his daughter example.

(07-03-2017 10:28 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 08:06 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 02:31 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 09:50 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 11:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It wasn't an attack. I was merely pointing out the MWC's budgets are at subterranean levels... and any relevance that conference once had has suffered as a result.
As for ECU, the concern has more to do with the fact that they are bringing up the rear in most of the sports already.

Revenue: 2014-2015

55. Central Florida AAC $51,455,603
56 Air Force Mt. West $50,191,669
57 San Diego State Mt. West $49,011,745
58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305
59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012
60 Nevada-Las Vegas Mt. West $45,015,536

Wow, look at that disparity (insert sarcasm).

I will tell you the same thing I tell my daughter.......your emotions, do not dictate reality.

Hmmm, notice you left off our top school and only went to three, whats the rest of your league doing? Where is Navy on this list, they and Air force should be a nice comparison.
See when you only do a partial look at statistics you can make them say anything.

I just grabbed a bundle of schools. With that, you just proved my point. Any statistician is going to throw away the outliers. Sorry pal, those were the highest teams on the list. Again, your emotions do not dictate reality.

And you answering the question you want doesn't make your answer right.

I never said anything about throwing out the outliers. I said i noticed you didn't include all the budgets. In fact you picked budgets 3,4,5 that we have numbers for in the AAC and compared them to the top three of the MWC. Thats a false comparison. I even pointed out the two academies would be a great comparison as they have similar restrictions and advantages. I wanted a full comparison, i mean only having 9 or 10 different data points means it doesn't do you much good to eliminate outliers because.there isn't enough examples to truely have outliers.

So yeah Fanhood gonna fanhood and looks as though its genetic from his daughter example.

First, I showed you the third highest revenue generating team per the USA Today 2014-2015 Academic Year Calendar. Your highest rated team (per revenue) was UCONN, with the second and third being UC and UCF. Look at the link below, the AAC and MW are all bundled together.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Furthermore, it appears that you are stating that your programs expenses (spending) far exceed the revenue they generate? Thats it? Well, you must not be in business, because if that is the case, your programs will eventually crumble. Enjoy.

My old boss and mentor would look at you and say "Cash Flow, and Profit. Don't understand? Look at the spread sheets."

(07-03-2017 08:13 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 08:10 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 07:42 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 02:31 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 09:50 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Revenue: 2014-2015

55. Central Florida AAC $51,455,603
56 Air Force Mt. West $50,191,669
57 San Diego State Mt. West $49,011,745
58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305
59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012
60 Nevada-Las Vegas Mt. West $45,015,536

Wow, look at that disparity (insert sarcasm).

I will tell you the same thing I tell my daughter.......your emotions, do not dictate reality.

Hmmm, notice you left off our top school and only went to three, whats the rest of your league doing? Where is Navy on this list, they and Air force should be a nice comparison.
See when you only do a partial look at statistics you can make them say anything.

Yup.. fanhood gonna fanhood

Mmmmmm, yea. You made a statement. I provided the revenue of each teams, showing that there is basically no difference between the two conferences regarding said revenue.

So your argument is the MWC has 3 teams that can hang with the bottom of the AAC?

Look at those budgets.

Huh, no. UCON, at 48, was the highest revenue generating team in your conference. UC and UCF were second and third. All the rest of the teams are bundled together.

Again, your emotions do not dictate reality.