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RE: Conference USA Football Stadiums
Charlotte has yet to play a local interest game at the FBS level. Attendance will be more telling when they play App, UNC & Duke at home. Winning at home and replacing the AD with one with event marketing experience will also help.

The university accounted for 50% of the total growth of the 17 member University Of North Carolina system (which includes UNC, NCSU, ECU and App) in the last several years.

The stadium can be increased to 40k in 5k sections with no necessary structural changes.

I am convinced that a combination of the above factors will result in expansion to 25-30k with an average attendance in excess of 20k in the very near future. These are highly attainable, realistic goals.

The worst mistake the program made was agreeing to play noon games in August and September in the FCS years which absolutely ruined all attendance momentum as temperatures soared towards 100 degrees in direct sunlight for most of the stadium. Those memories have set expectations for the casual fanbase that have to be reset with night games and a winning atmosphere at the FBS level and against local interest non conference opponents. The AD could do a better job of event promotion as well
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(06-29-2017 08:38 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
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(06-29-2017 08:12 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  What's the attendance of the Sun Bowl typically? Would that be affected by reducing the capacity?

Last season we averaged 23,000 with a high of 38,000 vs Army. Even during our bowl run in 2014 the average was 28,000 with a high of 35,000 vs Texas Tech. Our other bowl run was in 2010. We averaged 29,000 with a high of 39,000 vs NMSU. Those sections I'm suggesting to close off are mainly empty. You'll get a couple of young kids going up there to hold hands or do other things you wouldn't want to be seen. When we do get marquee opponents it might result in more sell outs since people may be more urgent about purchasing their tickets.

Sorry, I was referring to the Bowl Game played there. What does that game usually pull? Would the bowl officials be put off by your plan or would it be a nonissue?
The Sun Bowl did have a record crowd of over 53,000 when Oklahoma vs Stanford occurred in 2009. In 2010 that record was broken when more than 54,000 showed up to see Norte Dame vs Miami. While the Sun Bowl game used to enjoy crowds of 50,000+ a decade ago it has recently been down a bit. With the average crowds ranging from 42,000 - 49,000.

If it's a tarp to temporarily close those seats it shouldn't be a problem to open them back up during big UTEP games and the Sun Bowl game. If they are ever permanently turned into luxury suites I don't think anyone would complain about the extra revenue generated from them at the expense of the lower priced seats.
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Yeah, WKU's expands. But considering we finally had our first sellout this last year since we played USM in 2012, and only had 4 sellouts in the last 9 years... I'd say we need to focus on getting fans to the game.

I'll never understand our attendance woes. We have some fantastic fans, and I doubt many other fan bases in CUSA travel better than WKU fans do. I guess it's just those casual fans that we lack.


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(06-29-2017 12:40 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  Yeah, WKU's expands. But considering we finally had our first sellout this last year since we played USM in 2012, and only had 4 sellouts in the last 9 years... I'd say we need to focus on getting fans to the game.

I'll never understand our attendance woes. We have some fantastic fans, and I doubt many other fan bases in CUSA travel better than WKU fans do. I guess it's just those casual fans that we lack.


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It's the Bowling Green culture and UK Walmart fan working against us...TIme and time again the causual fans have proven to us they will only come out to see WKU basketball or football play when we play an SEC opponent or what is deemed as a "big time opponent" for them....THey are not coming out to watch us play FIU, FAU, North Texas, etc....It sucks but its the way it is and has been for a long time....I was hoping FBS football would be enough to at least get 20k most games but its clear its not....

Stansbury is challenging the fan base to sell out our first WKU basketball home game this upcoming season, that might be a hard thing to do depending on opponent.....I like his attitude about it but BG and surrounding area is just really fickle and brainwashed on what is big time or not, I really don't know how WKU is going to break through that wall....Winning has proven its not good enough for football....
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(06-29-2017 12:53 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 12:40 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  Yeah, WKU's expands. But considering we finally had our first sellout this last year since we played USM in 2012, and only had 4 sellouts in the last 9 years... I'd say we need to focus on getting fans to the game.

I'll never understand our attendance woes. We have some fantastic fans, and I doubt many other fan bases in CUSA travel better than WKU fans do. I guess it's just those casual fans that we lack.


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It's the Bowling Green culture and UK Walmart fan working against us...TIme and time again the causual fans have proven to us they will only come out to see WKU basketball or football play when we play an SEC opponent or what is deemed as a "big time opponent" for them....THey are not coming out to watch us play FIU, FAU, North Texas, etc....It sucks but its the way it is and has been for a long time....I was hoping FBS football would be enough to at least get 20k most games but its clear its not....

Stansbury is challenging the fan base to sell out our first WKU basketball home game this upcoming season, that might be a hard thing to do depending on opponent.....I like his attitude about it but BG and surrounding area is just really fickle and brainwashed on what is big time or not, I really don't know how WKU is going to break through that wall....Winning has proven its not good enough for football....

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(06-29-2017 08:32 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(06-27-2017 06:56 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  



We are expanding our stadium at the end of this year. Bringing capacity to around 53,000.

As an outsider here are my suggestions.
ODU: Game plan is good for their new stadium
Marshall: I would chair back entire stadium in green chair backs. Then I would increase luxury seating above the stands on both sides of the field.
Southern Miss: Chair back the entire stadium in gold chair backs (similar to Pittsburgh). I would then add more seating above the new luxury seating with chair backs as well and a large video board in the middle. That should keep capacity about the same but creating nicer seating and keeping more sound in the stadium and making the stadium to appear much larger.
Rice: Chair entire stadium in Navy seating. Take down one upper deck and build mutlple leavles of luxury seating. With their deep pocket alumi and location in Houston they could get fans in luxury seating.

Someone wants a cookie.

Instead of being jealous, I would put the pressure on our Administration to get it just half as together as ECU. We used to be near equals with them, they are now LIGHTYEARS ahead of us. While we are sitting here closer to the FCS than the G5 in talent, facilities, and how we run a program...they are striving to get their program and facilities P5 ready. The gap is so far between us and the AAC it would take us 20 years of steady progress to catch up to most of those teams.
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(06-30-2017 12:16 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 12:53 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 12:40 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  Yeah, WKU's expands. But considering we finally had our first sellout this last year since we played USM in 2012, and only had 4 sellouts in the last 9 years... I'd say we need to focus on getting fans to the game.

I'll never understand our attendance woes. We have some fantastic fans, and I doubt many other fan bases in CUSA travel better than WKU fans do. I guess it's just those casual fans that we lack.


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It's the Bowling Green culture and UK Walmart fan working against us...TIme and time again the causual fans have proven to us they will only come out to see WKU basketball or football play when we play an SEC opponent or what is deemed as a "big time opponent" for them....THey are not coming out to watch us play FIU, FAU, North Texas, etc....It sucks but its the way it is and has been for a long time....I was hoping FBS football would be enough to at least get 20k most games but its clear its not....

Stansbury is challenging the fan base to sell out our first WKU basketball home game this upcoming season, that might be a hard thing to do depending on opponent.....I like his attitude about it but BG and surrounding area is just really fickle and brainwashed on what is big time or not, I really don't know how WKU is going to break through that wall....Winning has proven its not good enough for football....

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I got 99 problems but selling out a 20k stadium ain't one.
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(06-27-2017 06:02 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  YES we need more seats! Are you kidding me?? How are you going to recruit HS talent when your stadium, and support, is smaller than their HS?

Expanding without getting to 40,000 was huge mistake. Giannini botched that expansion in every way. He put it up for a popular vote, then he lost the vote and settled for a design that makes it very difficult for us to ever get to 40,000. Only hope would be to build something in the North end zone, I guess. You could put bleachers there, but who'd want to sit in bleachers in the North end zone? You could put boxes there, except that the South end zone has enough boxes to meet demand for the foreseeable future, I'd imagine.

40,000 is a psychological thing. It seems small, since our capacity is already 90% of the way there, and we don't sell out consistently anyway. But to a recruit, coaching prospect, conference commissioner, etc. giving us the once-over, 40,000 makes an entirely different statement than 36,000. 40,000 is Georgia Tech; 36,000 is running elbows with LA Tech.

I've always thought we should build the infrastructure to make ourselves a destination road game for P5 schools: capacity, hotels, etc. We're not going to fill up a big stadium with the local yokels, but the fans of Bama, Auburn, A&M, etc. spend money that's just as valid. Spend more of it, probably. Giannini seem to have at least had this thought at one point, but then he lost his stupid referendum and gave up on it.
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(06-30-2017 04:51 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(06-27-2017 06:02 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  YES we need more seats! Are you kidding me?? How are you going to recruit HS talent when your stadium, and support, is smaller than their HS?

Expanding without getting to 40,000 was huge mistake. Giannini botched that expansion in every way. He put it up for a popular vote, then he lost the vote and settled for a design that makes it very difficult for us to ever get to 40,000. Only hope would be to build something in the North end zone, I guess. You could put bleachers there, but who'd want to sit in bleachers in the North end zone? You could put boxes there, except that the South end zone has enough boxes to meet demand for the foreseeable future, I'd imagine.

40,000 is a psychological thing. It seems small, since our capacity is already 90% of the way there, and we don't sell out consistently anyway. But to a recruit, coaching prospect, conference commissioner, etc. giving us the once-over, 40,000 makes an entirely different statement than 36,000. 40,000 is Georgia Tech; 36,000 is running elbows with LA Tech.

I've always thought we should build the infrastructure to make ourselves a destination road game for P5 schools: capacity, hotels, etc. We're not going to fill up a big stadium with the local yokels, but the fans of Bama, Auburn, A&M, etc. spend money that's just as valid. Spend more of it, probably. Giannini seem to have at least had this thought at one point, but then he lost his stupid referendum and gave up on it.

Not sure if Georgia Tech is the best example as Bobby Dodd holds 55k, which is middle of the pack for an ACC school. Also, it's city location gives it a totally different vibe than the rock. The one stadium that The Rock reminded me of in the P5 was WVU.
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(06-30-2017 05:53 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(06-30-2017 04:51 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(06-27-2017 06:02 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  YES we need more seats! Are you kidding me?? How are you going to recruit HS talent when your stadium, and support, is smaller than their HS?

Expanding without getting to 40,000 was huge mistake. Giannini botched that expansion in every way. He put it up for a popular vote, then he lost the vote and settled for a design that makes it very difficult for us to ever get to 40,000. Only hope would be to build something in the North end zone, I guess. You could put bleachers there, but who'd want to sit in bleachers in the North end zone? You could put boxes there, except that the South end zone has enough boxes to meet demand for the foreseeable future, I'd imagine.

40,000 is a psychological thing. It seems small, since our capacity is already 90% of the way there, and we don't sell out consistently anyway. But to a recruit, coaching prospect, conference commissioner, etc. giving us the once-over, 40,000 makes an entirely different statement than 36,000. 40,000 is Georgia Tech; 36,000 is running elbows with LA Tech.

I've always thought we should build the infrastructure to make ourselves a destination road game for P5 schools: capacity, hotels, etc. We're not going to fill up a big stadium with the local yokels, but the fans of Bama, Auburn, A&M, etc. spend money that's just as valid. Spend more of it, probably. Giannini seem to have at least had this thought at one point, but then he lost his stupid referendum and gave up on it.

Not sure if Georgia Tech is the best example as Bobby Dodd holds 55k, which is middle of the pack for an ACC school. Also, it's city location gives it a totally different vibe than the rock. The one stadium that The Rock reminded me of in the P5 was WVU.

You're right about Dodd. Apparently they added about 11,000 seats circa 2002 and I somehow forgot that. It is right smack dab in the middle of Atlanta, which is pretty unique.

Never heard the WVU comparison, but that's interesting and I'm glad you came to our campus. People say all sorts of **** about USM but I've never heard anyone say they travelled there and hated it.
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RG didnt put anything up for a popular vote. Everyone forgets we were ready to put the shovel in the ground when that little thing called Katrina hit. Building costs skyrocketed and forced the plans to change. We built what we could afford with the help of a 5 million $ gift from the Wendy's god
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For UAB, our dream OCS would be 40-45k. I'd like to get started with something smaller, say in the 20 - 27k range. Preferably on the high end.
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(06-30-2017 09:29 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  RG didnt put anything up for a popular vote. Everyone forgets we were ready to put the shovel in the ground when that little thing called Katrina hit. Building costs skyrocketed and forced the plans to change. We built what we could afford with the help of a 5 million $ gift from the Wendy's god

Well, there was definitely a referendum on something related to our stadium and it (predictably) failed. It was a terrible idea. USM is not Hattiesburg. The people of Hattiesburg aren't USM's constituency and should have zero control over it.

As for plans changing, the smart thing to do would have been to hold off until conditions became more favorable. Instead, we expanded at the worst possible time. Not only were construction costs high, the expansion was completed right when we hired Fedora. We didn't need a damned stadium expansion to drum up interest, we had Larry Fedora.
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UTSA's stadium, the Alamodome just signed a 10 year naming rights contract with HEB. Texas's largest employer & biggest grocery store chain in the state. This comes after the 60 million dollar upgrades for the Final 4 in 2018 & nearly an additional 10 million dollars from the Valero Bowl. DT San Antonio also just approved two very large & unique looking condos that are close by. Improving the look of downtown. There will also be a walkway from the riverwalk area to the stadium which is on the opposite side of the highway. Very good progress.

I am not sure if this means it will be called the HEB Alamodome
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(06-30-2017 04:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-30-2017 12:16 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 12:53 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 12:40 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  Yeah, WKU's expands. But considering we finally had our first sellout this last year since we played USM in 2012, and only had 4 sellouts in the last 9 years... I'd say we need to focus on getting fans to the game.

I'll never understand our attendance woes. We have some fantastic fans, and I doubt many other fan bases in CUSA travel better than WKU fans do. I guess it's just those casual fans that we lack.


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It's the Bowling Green culture and UK Walmart fan working against us...TIme and time again the causual fans have proven to us they will only come out to see WKU basketball or football play when we play an SEC opponent or what is deemed as a "big time opponent" for them....THey are not coming out to watch us play FIU, FAU, North Texas, etc....It sucks but its the way it is and has been for a long time....I was hoping FBS football would be enough to at least get 20k most games but its clear its not....

Stansbury is challenging the fan base to sell out our first WKU basketball home game this upcoming season, that might be a hard thing to do depending on opponent.....I like his attitude about it but BG and surrounding area is just really fickle and brainwashed on what is big time or not, I really don't know how WKU is going to break through that wall....Winning has proven its not good enough for football....

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If you can't get fans to come out I feel for you son

I got 99 problems but selling out a 20k stadium ain't one.

I'm not so sure there my ODU bro. I saw some games of ours on TV and the stadium didn't look full. I think we might be seeing a decline too. That's why the new stadium will only be around 22k. What I'm confused about is why is it that when the study by Populous was complete, everyone was upset (including me) about the new stadium being only 22k, when the overall attendance is declining?
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(07-17-2017 12:21 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  
(06-30-2017 04:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-30-2017 12:16 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 12:53 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 12:40 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  Yeah, WKU's expands. But considering we finally had our first sellout this last year since we played USM in 2012, and only had 4 sellouts in the last 9 years... I'd say we need to focus on getting fans to the game.

I'll never understand our attendance woes. We have some fantastic fans, and I doubt many other fan bases in CUSA travel better than WKU fans do. I guess it's just those casual fans that we lack.


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It's the Bowling Green culture and UK Walmart fan working against us...TIme and time again the causual fans have proven to us they will only come out to see WKU basketball or football play when we play an SEC opponent or what is deemed as a "big time opponent" for them....THey are not coming out to watch us play FIU, FAU, North Texas, etc....It sucks but its the way it is and has been for a long time....I was hoping FBS football would be enough to at least get 20k most games but its clear its not....

Stansbury is challenging the fan base to sell out our first WKU basketball home game this upcoming season, that might be a hard thing to do depending on opponent.....I like his attitude about it but BG and surrounding area is just really fickle and brainwashed on what is big time or not, I really don't know how WKU is going to break through that wall....Winning has proven its not good enough for football....

#G5Problems

If you can't get fans to come out I feel for you son

I got 99 problems but selling out a 20k stadium ain't one.

I'm not so sure there my ODU bro. I saw some games of ours on TV and the stadium didn't look full. I think we might be seeing a decline too. That's why the new stadium will only be around 22k. What I'm confused about is why is it that when the study by Populous was complete, everyone was upset (including me) about the new stadium being only 22k, when the overall attendance is declining?

For some reason, sellout and attendance are not the same. ODU has sold out every game but that doenst mean that everyone was in the seat and definatly not for the whole game. While its neat to keep the sellout thing going, its not a big deal to me. We still have the highest percentage of fans to capacity of anyone in C-USA. With a nicer stadium, good schedules and winning. People will still come to games.
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(06-30-2017 05:59 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(06-30-2017 05:53 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(06-30-2017 04:51 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(06-27-2017 06:02 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  YES we need more seats! Are you kidding me?? How are you going to recruit HS talent when your stadium, and support, is smaller than their HS?

Expanding without getting to 40,000 was huge mistake. Giannini botched that expansion in every way. He put it up for a popular vote, then he lost the vote and settled for a design that makes it very difficult for us to ever get to 40,000. Only hope would be to build something in the North end zone, I guess. You could put bleachers there, but who'd want to sit in bleachers in the North end zone? You could put boxes there, except that the South end zone has enough boxes to meet demand for the foreseeable future, I'd imagine.

40,000 is a psychological thing. It seems small, since our capacity is already 90% of the way there, and we don't sell out consistently anyway. But to a recruit, coaching prospect, conference commissioner, etc. giving us the once-over, 40,000 makes an entirely different statement than 36,000. 40,000 is Georgia Tech; 36,000 is running elbows with LA Tech.

I've always thought we should build the infrastructure to make ourselves a destination road game for P5 schools: capacity, hotels, etc. We're not going to fill up a big stadium with the local yokels, but the fans of Bama, Auburn, A&M, etc. spend money that's just as valid. Spend more of it, probably. Giannini seem to have at least had this thought at one point, but then he lost his stupid referendum and gave up on it.

Not sure if Georgia Tech is the best example as Bobby Dodd holds 55k, which is middle of the pack for an ACC school. Also, it's city location gives it a totally different vibe than the rock. The one stadium that The Rock reminded me of in the P5 was WVU.

You're right about Dodd. Apparently they added about 11,000 seats circa 2002 and I somehow forgot that. It is right smack dab in the middle of Atlanta, which is pretty unique.

Never heard the WVU comparison, but that's interesting and I'm glad you came to our campus. People say all sorts of **** about USM but I've never heard anyone say they travelled there and hated it.

Im looking forward to next year when USM makes their trip to our "Rock!" 04-cheers
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(07-17-2017 10:35 AM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  UTSA's stadium, the Alamodome just signed a 10 year naming rights contract with HEB. Texas's largest employer & biggest grocery store chain in the state. This comes after the 60 million dollar upgrades for the Final 4 in 2018 & nearly an additional 10 million dollars from the Valero Bowl. DT San Antonio also just approved two very large & unique looking condos that are close by. Improving the look of downtown. There will also be a walkway from the riverwalk area to the stadium which is on the opposite side of the highway. Very good progress.

I am not sure if this means it will be called the HEB Alamodome

Do any of the upgrades to the Alamodome mean money into the utsa athletics bank account? And what does utsa pay to rent the facility? Lastly, will the upgrades include a large video/scoreboard? The ones I saw were small and cheesy.
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(07-17-2017 09:33 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 10:35 AM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  UTSA's stadium, the Alamodome just signed a 10 year naming rights contract with HEB. Texas's largest employer & biggest grocery store chain in the state. This comes after the 60 million dollar upgrades for the Final 4 in 2018 & nearly an additional 10 million dollars from the Valero Bowl. DT San Antonio also just approved two very large & unique looking condos that are close by. Improving the look of downtown. There will also be a walkway from the riverwalk area to the stadium which is on the opposite side of the highway. Very good progress.

I am not sure if this means it will be called the HEB Alamodome

Do any of the upgrades to the Alamodome mean money into the utsa athletics bank account? And what does utsa pay to rent the facility? Lastly, will the upgrades include a large video/scoreboard? The ones I saw were small and cheesy.



Yes, all the upgrades will directly &/or indirectly provide money to the UTSA program.

They will be updating the Wifi & adding 2 video boards with 9 million dollars. That's from the Valero Committee.


The rest is for locker rooms, suites, bathrooms, beatification, bigger areas, new concourses, etc.


No one knows what HEB will be doing, they are already adding signs and naming certain areas HEB. So their money will also be added somewhere.

See Link

http://www.alamodome.com/news/detail/ala...completion
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I'm just glad Marshall is working on expanding the concourse areas and improving the food and fan experience side of things. But my #1 improvement for the stadium will be beer sales starting this year. You've got to have your priorities straight... 04-cheers
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