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RE: ESPN Bullish on ACC Network
(06-29-2017 07:51 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:34 AM)nole Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 07:08 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  The ACC ain't going anywhere folks, much to the chagrin of the haters...

http://theklowntimes.net/2017/06/27/acc-...ing-along/

Call me when the revenue gap is below $10 Million with B1G/SEC, then we can do a victory lap.

Oh ye of little faith. I think you are sellin the ACC Network waaaaay too short. Even the more conservative estimates have the ACC within $10 mil of the "Power 2" conferences, which last I checked is a VERY good thing...


When it happens and is not just a promise of possibly happening some day. I'll believe it.

I remember not that long ago when folks Insisted there would never be a $10 Million revenue gap (let alone the $20 million one we are approaching).

Now the argument is....someday they gap will be just below $10 Million......as if that is a win.


ALL I care about is having revenue from the ACC that is within 80% of the B1G/SEC. Promising that someday that might happen, in theory, doesn't pay the bills.
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RE: ESPN Bullish on ACC Network
(06-29-2017 08:36 AM)nole Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 07:51 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:34 AM)nole Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 07:08 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  The ACC ain't going anywhere folks, much to the chagrin of the haters...

http://theklowntimes.net/2017/06/27/acc-...ing-along/

Call me when the revenue gap is below $10 Million with B1G/SEC, then we can do a victory lap.

Oh ye of little faith. I think you are sellin the ACC Network waaaaay too short. Even the more conservative estimates have the ACC within $10 mil of the "Power 2" conferences, which last I checked is a VERY good thing...


When it happens and is not just a promise of possibly happening some day. I'll believe it.

I remember not that long ago when folks Insisted there would never be a $10 Million revenue gap (let alone the $20 million one we are approaching).

Now the argument is....someday they gap will be just below $10 Million......as if that is a win.


ALL I care about is having revenue from the ACC that is within 80% of the B1G/SEC. Promising that someday that might happen, in theory, doesn't pay the bills.


I remember not that long ago when you and a couple others proclaimed that there is not going to be an ACCN.
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RE: ESPN Bullish on ACC Network
(06-29-2017 09:21 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 08:36 AM)nole Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 07:51 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:34 AM)nole Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 07:08 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  The ACC ain't going anywhere folks, much to the chagrin of the haters...

http://theklowntimes.net/2017/06/27/acc-...ing-along/

Call me when the revenue gap is below $10 Million with B1G/SEC, then we can do a victory lap.

Oh ye of little faith. I think you are sellin the ACC Network waaaaay too short. Even the more conservative estimates have the ACC within $10 mil of the "Power 2" conferences, which last I checked is a VERY good thing...


When it happens and is not just a promise of possibly happening some day. I'll believe it.

I remember not that long ago when folks Insisted there would never be a $10 Million revenue gap (let alone the $20 million one we are approaching).

Now the argument is....someday they gap will be just below $10 Million......as if that is a win.


ALL I care about is having revenue from the ACC that is within 80% of the B1G/SEC. Promising that someday that might happen, in theory, doesn't pay the bills.


I remember not that long ago when you and a couple others proclaimed that there is not going to be an ACCN.


Is there one right now?
06-29-2017 09:55 AM
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-gators/

This column is meant more as a warning for Florida State and its fellow ACC members. Beware of the Gators and their filthy rich Southeastern Conference brethren, who — with all of their SEC Network money — could be on the verge of spending you into irrelevance.

Granted, at this point in time, the ACC has never looked better with national championships in both football (Clemson beat SEC goliath Alabama) and basketball (North Carolina beat Gonzaga), but don’t kid yourself: The SEC is earning money and spending it at an alarming rate.





All you have to do is look at UF as an example. The Gators likely will announce soon they are getting ready to build a new baseball stadium and a new softball complex. This comes on the heels of totally refurbishing their basketball arena to the tune of $64.5 million and building a new football indoor-practice facility for close to $20 million.

And coming soon: Another $60 million for a stand-alone football Taj Mahal that surely will be filled with smoothie bars, waterfalls, laser-tag studios and all sorts of amenities to entice the recruits who don’t go to Alabama.

“I think the SEC Network and the money and exposure it has provided has been a huge factor,” says UF basketball coach Mike White, who took his team to within one victory of the Final Four in his second season. “The network is providing an incredible amount of money for our institutions to spend on facilities. When you look around the league, there are renovations everywhere.”

According to the most recent numbers, ACC revenues dropped during the 2015-16 fiscal year and the conference offered the lowest annual payout per school ($23.8 million) of any of the Power 5 conferences. Compare that to the SEC’s bowl and TV payout of $40.42 million and then do the math. If this massive discrepancy were to continue over a 10-year period, the Gators would make $160 million more than the Seminoles. That’s a lot of plush facilities to entice wide-eyed recruits.

And we’re just talking about bowl and TV revenue. In total earnings, the SEC averages $30 million per school more than the ACC. You simply cannot continue operating at such a financial deficit and expect to consistently compete.

If you really want to put it in perspective, think about it this way: The discrepancy between the SEC and ACC payouts is almost as large as the discrepancy between the ACC and the American Athletic Conference payouts. In other words, when it comes to financial comparisons, the Gators are to FSU what FSU is to UCF.

The hope, of course, is that when ESPN launches the ACC Network in 2019 that FSU and its league partners can begin to close the gap. But in this era of cord-cutting among viewers and budget-cutting at ESPN, the question is: How profitable will the ACC Network be?

Obviously, it’s not going to be as successful as the SEC Network, which, according to AL.com, has been valued at nearly $5 billion — four times more than even the highly successful Big Ten Network.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like the ACC is hurting for cash; it’s just that the SEC has it to burn.

The bottom line is the bottom line.

In sports as in politics, those contestants and candidates with the most money usually win.
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(06-29-2017 08:36 AM)nole Wrote:  When it happens and is not just a promise of possibly happening some day. I'll believe it... ALL I care about is having revenue from the ACC that is within 80% of the B1G/SEC. Promising that someday that might happen, in theory, doesn't pay the bills.

I have no problem with the "don't count your chickens" approach (although pessimism is just another way of counting things which haven't happened yet - you're just choosing to focus on the bad possibilities).

As for 80%, I'm still hoping for 85 to 90%.
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I agree that money matters. However, the chart of national champions is more than a little misleading. The P12 sponsors sports that very few other schools/conferences do. Because of Orgeon/Nike they are always going to be heavily favored in track & field. They are also going to be heavily favored in swimming & diving. In fact they won 8 of 14 championships in those events (skiing, men & women water polo, beach volley ball, women x country, women swimming, women track indoor, women track outdoor, women volleyball, women water polo.)

Likewise the B12 is always going to be favored to in wrestling. They are always going to be in a battle with the P12 for men and women gymnastics.
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RE: ESPN Bullish on ACC Network
(06-29-2017 10:50 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I agree that money matters. However, the chart of national champions is more than a little misleading. The P12 sponsors sports that very few other schools/conferences do. Because of Orgeon/Nike they are always going to be heavily favored in track & field. They are also going to be heavily favored in swimming & diving. In fact they won 8 of 14 championships in those events (skiing, men & women water polo, beach volley ball, women x country, womnnen swimming, women track indoor, women track outdoor, women volleyball, women water polo.)

Likewise the B12 is always going to be favored to in wrestling. They are always going to be in a battle with the P12 for men and women gymnastics.

Just a reminder that TV revenues are just one part of an athletic department's revenues. Donations are also a major part. The gaps between the athletic department revenues of various schools has more to do with donations than TV revenues or even ticket revenues.

Also, schools aren't allowed to pay student-athletes. At least, they're not supposed to. Fancy facilities can only get you so far. Gold plated bathroom fixtures don't win games. Money can only do so much.
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(06-29-2017 09:55 AM)nole Wrote:  http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-gators/

This column is meant more as a warning for Florida State and its fellow ACC members. Beware of the Gators and their filthy rich Southeastern Conference brethren, who — with all of their SEC Network money — could be on the verge of spending you into irrelevance.

Granted, at this point in time, the ACC has never looked better with national championships in both football (Clemson beat SEC goliath Alabama) and basketball (North Carolina beat Gonzaga), but don’t kid yourself: The SEC is earning money and spending it at an alarming rate.





All you have to do is look at UF as an example. The Gators likely will announce soon they are getting ready to build a new baseball stadium and a new softball complex. This comes on the heels of totally refurbishing their basketball arena to the tune of $64.5 million and building a new football indoor-practice facility for close to $20 million.

And coming soon: Another $60 million for a stand-alone football Taj Mahal that surely will be filled with smoothie bars, waterfalls, laser-tag studios and all sorts of amenities to entice the recruits who don’t go to Alabama.

“I think the SEC Network and the money and exposure it has provided has been a huge factor,” says UF basketball coach Mike White, who took his team to within one victory of the Final Four in his second season. “The network is providing an incredible amount of money for our institutions to spend on facilities. When you look around the league, there are renovations everywhere.”

According to the most recent numbers, ACC revenues dropped during the 2015-16 fiscal year and the conference offered the lowest annual payout per school ($23.8 million) of any of the Power 5 conferences. Compare that to the SEC’s bowl and TV payout of $40.42 million and then do the math. If this massive discrepancy were to continue over a 10-year period, the Gators would make $160 million more than the Seminoles. That’s a lot of plush facilities to entice wide-eyed recruits.

And we’re just talking about bowl and TV revenue. In total earnings, the SEC averages $30 million per school more than the ACC. You simply cannot continue operating at such a financial deficit and expect to consistently compete.

If you really want to put it in perspective, think about it this way: The discrepancy between the SEC and ACC payouts is almost as large as the discrepancy between the ACC and the American Athletic Conference payouts. In other words, when it comes to financial comparisons, the Gators are to FSU what FSU is to UCF.

The hope, of course, is that when ESPN launches the ACC Network in 2019 that FSU and its league partners can begin to close the gap. But in this era of cord-cutting among viewers and budget-cutting at ESPN, the question is: How profitable will the ACC Network be?

Obviously, it’s not going to be as successful as the SEC Network, which, according to AL.com, has been valued at nearly $5 billion — four times more than even the highly successful Big Ten Network.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like the ACC is hurting for cash; it’s just that the SEC has it to burn.

The bottom line is the bottom line.

In sports as in politics, those contestants and candidates with the most money usually win.

Grain of salt..... written by a UF grad.
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(06-29-2017 08:36 AM)nole Wrote:  ALL I care about is having revenue from the ACC that is within 80% of the B1G/SEC. Promising that someday that might happen, in theory, doesn't pay the bills.

Do you enjoy sports?

Just wondering.

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(06-29-2017 09:55 AM)nole Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 09:21 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 08:36 AM)nole Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 07:51 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:34 AM)nole Wrote:  Call me when the revenue gap is below $10 Million with B1G/SEC, then we can do a victory lap.

Oh ye of little faith. I think you are sellin the ACC Network waaaaay too short. Even the more conservative estimates have the ACC within $10 mil of the "Power 2" conferences, which last I checked is a VERY good thing...


When it happens and is not just a promise of possibly happening some day. I'll believe it.

I remember not that long ago when folks Insisted there would never be a $10 Million revenue gap (let alone the $20 million one we are approaching).

Now the argument is....someday they gap will be just below $10 Million......as if that is a win.


ALL I care about is having revenue from the ACC that is within 80% of the B1G/SEC. Promising that someday that might happen, in theory, doesn't pay the bills.


I remember not that long ago when you and a couple others proclaimed that there is not going to be an ACCN.


Is there one right now?

Yep! The ACC digital channel. which will be followed up by the Accn. We all know thats coming otherwise the schools would not be investing millions and millions of $$$ in equipment for the ACCN
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