billyjack
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RE: How do you accurately determine a college team's market??
(09-15-2017 01:29 PM)Eagle78 Wrote: (09-14-2017 12:44 AM)billyjack Wrote: (09-13-2017 06:07 PM)_C2_ Wrote: (09-13-2017 06:01 PM)panama Wrote: (09-12-2017 07:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote: It's not that I don't like it, it's that I'm shocked they're still so popular. I would have figured that popularity would have waned, Notre Dame hasn't even been that good since Holtz. Not everything gets passed down from generation-to-generation and many cultural fads die out over time.
How many state flagships can you say that about?
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State flagships are about regional identity and usually have far more alums than Notre Dame. Notre Dame is hardly the only Catholic school. Then again, as noted, they've been down, relatively speaking, since I've been watching college football, so it clouds my view.
These are repeat thoughts:
College hoops has dozens of Div-1 Catholic schools, and they're located in most major cities nationwide, and across 8 decades they've had a ton of Final Fours, National Championships, and are always ranked.
College football has 2 FBS Catholic schools choices.
- Boston College.
- Notre Dame.
BC has played in like 2 bowls on New Years Day since after WW2.
BC has finished in the Top 10 only twice since after WW2.
Notre Dame has won 11 National Championships going back to 1924, with 7 Heisman Trophy winners, more All-America players than any school.
BC has never made a Final Four, and has had few NBA'ers, so they can't even get hoops-to-football spillover fans.
Irish hoops isn't a big draw but at least they have a Final-4 with future NBA'ers Tripucka, Woolridge and Laimbeer, plus earlier NBA'ers like Adrian Dantley, John Shumate, and Austin Carr.
Also, with the Irish, in the 6 years just before you started following the sport, Notre Dame went 64-9, playing an extremely difficult schedule, and was 5-1 in New Years Day bowls in those years, with the only loss being due to the ridiculous non-clip on the Rocket Ismail insane punt return. In 93, ND and FSU had 1 loss only, and the Irish had beaten FSU, but FSU was given the title. These are significant factors in capturing Irish fandom for those who are 40 years old and older.
I like ND - always have. That said, I think you are leaving something out in comments about 1993. Yes, FSU and ND finished the season each with one loss and ND had beaten FSU, but ND's loss came in their final game, at home, in dramatic fashion. Not the way to close out the season. Do you remember the team that beat them?
Lol, yes, that was a heartbreaker loss on a last second BC field goal. From what i remember, BC had the lead for much of the game, but the Irish took the lead late with maybe 2 minutes left. At like the BC 40, a Notre Dame LB dropped a potential game-clinching interception when it bounced off his chest. BC continued their last minute drive and kicked the FG. Fantastic game, crushing loss.
And yeah, it was the order of the loss that put FSU above the Irish. Crazy the way it worked back then, very antiquated. Not sure, but it mightve been the year Holtz said something like "we beat the champions of the Big Ten, SEC, PAC-10, ACC, but aren't #1...?"
Thinking about that BC game, i get the same sick feeling as i do when thinking about the 19-0 Patriots Super Bowl loss... Asante Samuel dropping the potential game-clinching interception.
Hey those were great years in college football.
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