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(06-23-2017 03:05 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(06-23-2017 02:54 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-23-2017 02:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Good! I like the NCAA product too.

So ... the NHL should help fund the expansion of that product.


But, possibly, could get hard lobbying against that from Juniors program? Don't know ... I have nothing to back that up. Wild guess
NCAA hockey is kind of in a war againot the Canadian Major Juniors anyway for talent. More Canadian players and Europeans are choosing the NCAA because it yields better all around players that can deal with life better. Major Juniors are just a grind - an NHL type schedule without amenities for 18 and 19 yos.
On the flipside, NCAA hockey is 35-40 games while major juniors is 68 + playoffs. One prepares you for an NHL schedule and allotts an off-ice schedule that mirrors the NHL. Also major juniors generally has more top end talent to play against.

One isn't better than the other. It comes down to the specific major junior team and specific college you're choosing, as well as NHL chances (CHL usually better for top prospects, NCAA always better for late blooming prospects).

It comes down to the individual. Some hate school and some don't. UND has proven that it has the coaching necessary to see serious improvement. That is not the case everywhere. Scouts often recommend the NCAA game depending on the kid.

The NCHC was formed with a goal to be direct competition to the Canadian Juniors and it's accomplishing that.
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(06-23-2017 02:41 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  Ok, how is this for speculation. How does this relate to the recently announced postponement of Memorial Stadium renovation. Was going to be $300 Million but now it looks like something much less. Is the money going possibly towards hockey? Or am I just having fun making stuff up?

http://csnbbs.com/thread-820637.html. H/T to Transic (got this article from the B1G board)

They're not related at all. The Memorial Stadium postponement is almost certainly about fundraising (or lack thereof). It has nothing to do with hockey.

Believe me - if I had an extra $100 million laying around, I'd start up a Division I hockey team at Illinois immediately. However, I've been hearing about the Illini being "next-in-line" to move up to D-1 hockey ever since I was a freshman at the school... which is now over 20 years ago at this point. I hope that they'll find a way to have Division I hockey without an angel benefactor coming out of the blue paying for it, but this is one area where I'm a pessimist. I've seen waaaaay too many speculative hopes, dreams and rumors on this subject that have been quashed for over two decades at this point.
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(06-22-2017 02:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Interesting. But why in Chicago? UIC restarting?

UIC has as much to with the UIUC athletic department as, say, East Carolina has to do with the UNC athletic department... which is nothing.

Chicago is hosting the NHL Draft at the United Center this weekend, so that's almost certainly the reason for the location of this announcement. Also, pretty much everyone relevant in the Illinois athletic department is in Chicago this weekend since the school's inaugural Hall of Fame class is being inducted with a gala at the Field Museum. The timing all works out on that front.
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http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/19715829/

Buccigross made his list:

Nebraska
Iowa
Rhode Island
Navy
Penn
Pac 12

Didn't include URI or Navy because the AHA is not a prolific producer of NHL talent. Might as well include Liberty, as they have money and a rink.

Heard the Alabama club coach is there too. Alabama seems sincere and persistent in its pursuit of hockey.
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That's not five schools, it's 17.
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(06-23-2017 07:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/19715829/

Buccigross made his list:

Nebraska
Iowa
Rhode Island
Navy
Penn
Pac 12

Didn't include URI or Navy because the AHA is not a prolific producer of NHL talent. Might as well include Liberty, as they have money and a rink.

Heard the Alabama club coach is there too. Alabama seems sincere and persistent in its pursuit of hockey.
Poor Iowa City. You created a TIF for this community ice rink and mixed-use project. The Taxes aren't going to be what they expect and the university will be asked to bail the project out by using media rights money since they're already using it for current athletic construction projects.

Illinois, as Frank has mentioned, has wished for a new ice rink in the area to the point that the school's master plan still mentions it where a fairly new parking lot is and there was another plan in 2003 which failed next to State Farm Center ( née Assembly Hall).
http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/colu...arena.html

As long as the surrounding communities just think that the university is going to do it for them, they'll be waiting a loooooong time.



Also nice to know Buccimane has visited Penn enough to say that the facility, "would need a paint job and a good Dusting, but it could still host hockey."

Alright
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Apparently, Buffalo Sabres owner Terry Pegula is behind this, as his contribution to Penn St changed the college hockey conferences. This article doesn't discount the Buffalo Bulls having a study done.

buffalonews.com/2017/06/23/pegula-inspires-new-project-build-college-hockey-usa/

Penn State has locked up the Midwest regional for several years in Allentown, as Penn St hockey sells more tickets than Penn St basketball.
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(06-23-2017 09:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Apparently, Buffalo Sabres owner Terry Pegula is behind this, as his contribution to Penn St changed the college hockey conferences. This article doesn't discount the Buffalo Bulls having a study done.

buffalonews.com/2017/06/23/pegula-inspires-new-project-build-college-hockey-usa/

Penn State has locked up the Midwest regional for several years in Allentown, as Penn St hockey sells more tickets than Penn St basketball.

Of course it was.

Jacksonville Jaguars and Fulham FC owner, Shad Kahn received his degree from Illinois, has his main business and home in Champaign. Pegula wants him to spend his money there on hockey rather than engineering.
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(06-23-2017 02:42 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  You mean like the National Basketba ...
Or like the National Footba ...
I mean Major League Baseba ...

Nevermind.

Doesn't work, because we're talking about the professional league desiring the college league to expand.

Your other examples are merely where the professional leagues aren't funding any operating costs of the college leagues, but also where the college leagues are fully built out.
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I was pretty sure that Major League Baseball gave a massive amount of money for each Division I program to endow one baseball scholarship in an attempt to get fewer schools to drop baseball.
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The latest rumor is that Pitt may have a hockey benefactor:

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/articl...inois-pitt

Penguins have really piqued hockey interest in Pittsburgh.

Also, a St Louis business paper says that Lindenwood may start a team in the Blues news practice facility that seats 3500. Family Arena near Lindenwood seats over 9000, which is probably too large.
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It would be interesting to see if Lindenwood pursues a full Division I program. They could join the Summit League and essentially take over the NCHC:

North Dakota
Omaha
Denver
Lindenwood
Colorado College (hockey only)
Arizona State (hockey only)

The NCHC could then rebuild as a strictly Midwestern Conference:

Miami
Western Michigan
Minnesota-Duluth
Saint Cloud State
Bowling Green (from WCHA)
Northern Michigan (from WCHA)
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(06-29-2017 08:24 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  It would be interesting to see if Lindenwood pursues a full Division I program. They could join the Summit League and essentially take over the NCHC:

North Dakota
Omaha
Denver
Lindenwood
Colorado College (hockey only)
Arizona State (hockey only)

The NCHC could then rebuild as a strictly Midwestern Conference:

Miami
Western Michigan
Minnesota-Duluth
Saint Cloud State
Bowling Green (from WCHA)
Northern Michigan (from WCHA)
Is six the ideal size for a hockey conference?

I don't follow Redhawks hockey closely by any means, but I had the impression that eight teams in the NCHC is a good number, even if we might wish that Bowling Green was one of the eight.
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(06-29-2017 08:24 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  It would be interesting to see if Lindenwood pursues a full Division I program. They could join the Summit League and essentially take over the NCHC:

North Dakota
Omaha
Denver
Lindenwood
Colorado College (hockey only)
Arizona State (hockey only)

The NCHC could then rebuild as a strictly Midwestern Conference:

Miami
Western Michigan
Minnesota-Duluth
Saint Cloud State
Bowling Green (from WCHA)
Northern Michigan (from WCHA)

I can't imagine that the current NCHC members would want anything to do with that setup. For schools like North Dakota and Denver, the interests of the NCHC are actually much more important to them for their respective athletic departments than the interests of the Summit (which they can take it or leave it).
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(06-29-2017 08:24 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  It would be interesting to see if Lindenwood pursues a full Division I program. They could join the Summit League and essentially take over the NCHC:

North Dakota
Omaha
Denver
Lindenwood
Colorado College (hockey only)
Arizona State (hockey only)

The NCHC could then rebuild as a strictly Midwestern Conference:

Miami
Western Michigan
Minnesota-Duluth
Saint Cloud State
Bowling Green (from WCHA)
Northern Michigan (from WCHA)
There's absolutely no way UND or UNO would want to give up their presence in Minnesota. I doubt the NCHC will either expand or contract, the Summit has any interest in starting hockey, or UND would want to break off and start a conference that's even more top-heavy than the old CCHA was.
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The most interesting issue is it appears an ACC hockey configuration is possible down the road, which would benefit an ACC network. Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, and BC could add BU, UCONN and maybe later NCSU and Ga Tech.

The WCHA wanted Ariz St to pay a travel allowances for membership. ASU said no. The NCHC will offer the Sun Devils when they get a decent arena. ASU has been recruiting well and they have put together a marvelous independent schedule.

The B1G didn't consider six as acceptable, as many OOC games were required.
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(06-30-2017 09:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The most interesting issue is it appears an ACC hockey configuration is possible down the road, which would benefit an ACC network. Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, and BC could add BU, UCONN and maybe later NCSU and Ga Tech.

The WCHA wanted Ariz St to pay a travel allowances for membership. ASU said no. The NCHC will offer the Sun Devils when they get a decent arena. ASU has been recruiting well and they have put together a marvelous independent schedule.

The B1G didn't consider six as acceptable, as many OOC games were required.

I guess Pitt could just fork $$$ over to the Pens to practice/play at their training rink as there's not much campus space available. Same with Tech but I've got no idea on where the closest rink is to campus.

Tech and NC State's closest opponent is who? Alabama Huntsville? Princeton? Miami (OH)?
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(06-30-2017 10:01 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  
(06-30-2017 09:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The most interesting issue is it appears an ACC hockey configuration is possible down the road, which would benefit an ACC network. Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, and BC could add BU, UCONN and maybe later NCSU and Ga Tech.

The WCHA wanted Ariz St to pay a travel allowances for membership. ASU said no. The NCHC will offer the Sun Devils when they get a decent arena. ASU has been recruiting well and they have put together a marvelous independent schedule.

The B1G didn't consider six as acceptable, as many OOC games were required.

I guess Pitt could just fork $$$ over to the Pens to practice/play at their training rink as there's not much campus space available. Same with Tech but I've got no idea on where the closest rink is to campus.

Tech and NC State's closest opponent is who? Alabama Huntsville? Princeton? Miami (OH)?

Liberty will likely start up a program soon with the AHA.

Ga Tech could play in the Gwinnett County arena, whatever it's called.

A Pitt benefactor would probably have to donate an arena.

Alabama seems to quite serious about hockey. Representative have toured several college rinks for ideas.
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(06-30-2017 10:08 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-30-2017 10:01 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  
(06-30-2017 09:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The most interesting issue is it appears an ACC hockey configuration is possible down the road, which would benefit an ACC network. Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, and BC could add BU, UCONN and maybe later NCSU and Ga Tech.

The WCHA wanted Ariz St to pay a travel allowances for membership. ASU said no. The NCHC will offer the Sun Devils when they get a decent arena. ASU has been recruiting well and they have put together a marvelous independent schedule.

The B1G didn't consider six as acceptable, as many OOC games were required.

I guess Pitt could just fork $$$ over to the Pens to practice/play at their training rink as there's not much campus space available. Same with Tech but I've got no idea on where the closest rink is to campus.

Tech and NC State's closest opponent is who? Alabama Huntsville? Princeton? Miami (OH)?

Liberty will likely start up a program soon with the AHA.

Ga Tech could play in the Gwinnett County arena, whatever it's called.

A Pitt benefactor would probably have to donate an arena.

Alabama seems to quite serious about hockey. Representative have toured several college rinks for ideas.
NoDak, everytime you post, you say which schools are going to make the jump to D1 hockey.

The bigger question for you is: Which schools aren't interested in D1 hockey?

Also, I thought shortly after the Tournament ended, North Dakota was going to announce it was going to leave the NCHC and join the Big 10 as a hockey affiliate. Whatever happened to that?
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(07-01-2017 03:48 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(06-30-2017 10:08 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-30-2017 10:01 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  
(06-30-2017 09:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The most interesting issue is it appears an ACC hockey configuration is possible down the road, which would benefit an ACC network. Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, and BC could add BU, UCONN and maybe later NCSU and Ga Tech.

The WCHA wanted Ariz St to pay a travel allowances for membership. ASU said no. The NCHC will offer the Sun Devils when they get a decent arena. ASU has been recruiting well and they have put together a marvelous independent schedule.

The B1G didn't consider six as acceptable, as many OOC games were required.

I guess Pitt could just fork $$$ over to the Pens to practice/play at their training rink as there's not much campus space available. Same with Tech but I've got no idea on where the closest rink is to campus.

Tech and NC State's closest opponent is who? Alabama Huntsville? Princeton? Miami (OH)?

Liberty will likely start up a program soon with the AHA.

Ga Tech could play in the Gwinnett County arena, whatever it's called.

A Pitt benefactor would probably have to donate an arena.

Alabama seems to quite serious about hockey. Representative have toured several college rinks for ideas.
NoDak, everytime you post, you say which schools are going to make the jump to D1 hockey.

The bigger question for you is: Which schools aren't interested in D1 hockey?

Also, I thought shortly after the Tournament ended, North Dakota was going to announce it was going to leave the NCHC and join the Big 10 as a hockey affiliate. Whatever happened to that?

It was a Gopher fan magazine that insisted that UND had an offer. But maybe it was false or now their are other B1G schools that are considering hockey. Few UND fans has totally discounted it, but what strings are there, i.E. would we just get played financially?

The vast majority of DI schools are not candidates. Decent arenas are hard to come by. Just post the ones that have likelihood of success, with a benefactor. Starting hockey is about the most difficult sporting venture in DI, with an arena, an endowment, fan base, and a league all must be considered.
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