(06-19-2017 06:25 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Y'all know he was being paid to do this right? He didn't just decide to tour NK and steal their propaganda. He was in a desperate financial situation and was approached by a woman from his church. She offered to send him to NK to steal a piece of propaganda so they could hang it at their church. He was to be paid in the form of a $10,000 car if he was successful and if he was detained he would still get the 10k but also a 200k donation would be made to a charity in his mom's name. Needless to say the church is not commenting on the situation.

Link?

(06-19-2017 04:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I find the wording they use for what killed him to be very interesting.

Suffering from injuries related to "insert medical terminology" seems to be purposefully evasive.

Honestly, it sounds like he had an event that caused oxygen deprivation to the brain resulting in wide spread brain damage. Seems like they are effectively describing him as being in a vegetative state---not comatose, but not really capable of conscience behavior---with extensive brain damage shown in scans. They are probably being vague because they really don't know exactly what happened to him.

(06-20-2017 08:10 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 03:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Why was he in NK in the first place?


There is a lot of this story missing at the current time.

Why do parents send their kids halfway around the world into countries ruled by evil despots? Why do parents send their teenagers to Aruba to do drugs and have sex with random foreigners? The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind..

His parents approved of and were aware of his initial destination which was Beijing, China. While in Beijing, he and a few buddies saw an ad at a travel agency for a thrill-seeking adventure in NK. They went without their parents knowledge or approval.

(06-19-2017 06:25 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Y'all know he was being paid to do this right? He didn't just decide to tour NK and steal their propaganda. He was in a desperate financial situation and was approached by a woman from his church. She offered to send him to NK to steal a piece of propaganda so they could hang it at their church. He was to be paid in the form of a $10,000 car if he was successful and if he was detained he would still get the 10k but also a 200k donation would be made to a charity in his mom's name. Needless to say the church is not commenting on the situation.

Otto stated this in a staged press conference on state TV in NK where he "confessed" to being manipulated by the church and the US Government to commit this act against the people of NK. This confession appeared highly coerced IMHO.

(06-20-2017 09:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 08:10 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 03:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Why was he in NK in the first place?


There is a lot of this story missing at the current time.

Why do parents send their kids halfway around the world into countries ruled by evil despots? Why do parents send their teenagers to Aruba to do drugs and have sex with random foreigners? The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind..

His parents approved of and were aware of his initial destination which was Beijing, China. While in Beijing, he and a few buddies saw an ad at a travel agency for a thrill-seeking adventure in NK. They went without their parents knowledge or approval.

(06-19-2017 06:25 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Y'all know he was being paid to do this right? He didn't just decide to tour NK and steal their propaganda. He was in a desperate financial situation and was approached by a woman from his church. She offered to send him to NK to steal a piece of propaganda so they could hang it at their church. He was to be paid in the form of a $10,000 car if he was successful and if he was detained he would still get the 10k but also a 200k donation would be made to a charity in his mom's name. Needless to say the church is not commenting on the situation.

Otto stated this in a staged press conference on state TV in NK where he "confessed" to being manipulated by the church and the US Government to commit this act against the people of NK. This confession appeared highly coerced IMHO.

Yeah, that story is hard to believe.

(06-20-2017 10:42 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 09:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 08:10 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 03:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Why was he in NK in the first place?


There is a lot of this story missing at the current time.

Why do parents send their kids halfway around the world into countries ruled by evil despots? Why do parents send their teenagers to Aruba to do drugs and have sex with random foreigners? The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind..

His parents approved of and were aware of his initial destination which was Beijing, China. While in Beijing, he and a few buddies saw an ad at a travel agency for a thrill-seeking adventure in NK. They went without their parents knowledge or approval.

(06-19-2017 06:25 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Y'all know he was being paid to do this right? He didn't just decide to tour NK and steal their propaganda. He was in a desperate financial situation and was approached by a woman from his church. She offered to send him to NK to steal a piece of propaganda so they could hang it at their church. He was to be paid in the form of a $10,000 car if he was successful and if he was detained he would still get the 10k but also a 200k donation would be made to a charity in his mom's name. Needless to say the church is not commenting on the situation.

Otto stated this in a staged press conference on state TV in NK where he "confessed" to being manipulated by the church and the US Government to commit this act against the people of NK. This confession appeared highly coerced IMHO.

Yeah, that story is hard to believe.

Audemus Jura Nostra Defendere

https://youtu.be/hYvPI84wVUg

Jeremiah Andrew Denton, Jr. was a U.S. Senator representing Alabama from 1981 to 1987, and a United States and a United States Navy rear admiral and aviator in the Vietnam War. 

Idiots believe tortured confessions

(06-20-2017 09:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I find the wording they use for what killed him to be very interesting.

Suffering from injuries related to "insert medical terminology" seems to be purposefully evasive.

Honestly, it sounds like he had an event that caused oxygen deprivation to the brain resulting in wide spread brain damage. Seems like they are effectively describing him as being in a vegetative state---not comatose, but not really capable of conscience behavior---with extensive brain damage shown in scans. They are probably being vague because they really don't know exactly what happened to him.

It seem couched in a way that avoids saying that he was mistreated, doesn't it?

(06-20-2017 11:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 09:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I find the wording they use for what killed him to be very interesting.

Suffering from injuries related to "insert medical terminology" seems to be purposefully evasive.

Honestly, it sounds like he had an event that caused oxygen deprivation to the brain resulting in wide spread brain damage. Seems like they are effectively describing him as being in a vegetative state---not comatose, but not really capable of conscience behavior---with extensive brain damage shown in scans. They are probably being vague because they really don't know exactly what happened to him.

It seem couched in a way that avoids saying that he was mistreated, doesn't it?

The truth may not come out while they have other Americans

(06-20-2017 11:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 09:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I find the wording they use for what killed him to be very interesting.

Suffering from injuries related to "insert medical terminology" seems to be purposefully evasive.

Honestly, it sounds like he had an event that caused oxygen deprivation to the brain resulting in wide spread brain damage. Seems like they are effectively describing him as being in a vegetative state---not comatose, but not really capable of conscience behavior---with extensive brain damage shown in scans. They are probably being vague because they really don't know exactly what happened to him.

It seem couched in a way that avoids saying that he was mistreated, doesn't it?

It does. Im wondering if there are no obvious outward signs of abuse (no skull fractures for instance), so what ever happened was less obvious (like maybe some sort of water torture that went too far?).

(06-20-2017 11:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 11:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 09:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I find the wording they use for what killed him to be very interesting.

Suffering from injuries related to "insert medical terminology" seems to be purposefully evasive.

Honestly, it sounds like he had an event that caused oxygen deprivation to the brain resulting in wide spread brain damage. Seems like they are effectively describing him as being in a vegetative state---not comatose, but not really capable of conscience behavior---with extensive brain damage shown in scans. They are probably being vague because they really don't know exactly what happened to him.

It seem couched in a way that avoids saying that he was mistreated, doesn't it?

It does. Im wondering if there are not outward signs of abuse (no skull fractures for instance), so what ever happened was less obvious (like maybe some sort of water torture that went too far?).

I think its interesting because the terms they use aren't things that just happen to a person. They require some kind of specific injury.

(06-20-2017 09:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 08:10 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 03:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Why was he in NK in the first place?


There is a lot of this story missing at the current time.

Why do parents send their kids halfway around the world into countries ruled by evil despots? Why do parents send their teenagers to Aruba to do drugs and have sex with random foreigners? The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind..

His parents approved of and were aware of his initial destination which was Beijing, China. While in Beijing, he and a few buddies saw an ad at a travel agency for a thrill-seeking adventure in NK. They went without their parents knowledge or approval.

If that travel agency was marketing "thrill-seeking adventures" in NK, they might want to commence lawyering up, mucho pronto. I'm sure the Warmbiers will be.

(06-20-2017 12:17 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 09:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 08:10 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 03:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Why was he in NK in the first place?


There is a lot of this story missing at the current time.

Why do parents send their kids halfway around the world into countries ruled by evil despots? Why do parents send their teenagers to Aruba to do drugs and have sex with random foreigners? The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind..

His parents approved of and were aware of his initial destination which was Beijing, China. While in Beijing, he and a few buddies saw an ad at a travel agency for a thrill-seeking adventure in NK. They went without their parents knowledge or approval.

If that travel agency was marketing "thrill-seeking adventures" in NK, they might want to commence lawyering up, mucho pronto. I'm sure the Warmbiers will be.

I think it will soon head down this path. The agency announced today they will no longer accept Americans for tours.

(06-20-2017 11:58 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 11:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 11:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 09:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I find the wording they use for what killed him to be very interesting.
Suffering from injuries related to "insert medical terminology" seems to be purposefully evasive.

Honestly, it sounds like he had an event that caused oxygen deprivation to the brain resulting in wide spread brain damage. Seems like they are effectively describing him as being in a vegetative state---not comatose, but not really capable of conscience behavior---with extensive brain damage shown in scans. They are probably being vague because they really don't know exactly what happened to him.

It seem couched in a way that avoids saying that he was mistreated, doesn't it?

It does. Im wondering if there are not outward signs of abuse (no skull fractures for instance), so what ever happened was less obvious (like maybe some sort of water torture that went too far?).

I think its interesting because the terms they use aren't things that just happen to a person. They require some kind of specific injury.

First, you're asking doctors to say something that may be used as justification for war, so I'd expect them to be very circumspect and precise about what they know, and I'd expect that legal counsel would advise the same. Second, from what I've heard reported, there was no evidence of trauma (i.e. beating or choking), but they suspect that his brain was deprived of oxygen due to improper use of unspecified drugs. Whatever it was that caused his death appeared to happen immediately after his show trial.

I think their statement was about all they could definitively say...

Otto Warmbier, American student detained in North Korea for 17 months, dies - ABC News

Quote:Doctors from the University of Cincinnati Medical Center said last week that Warmbier, 22, was suffering from injuries related to cardiopulmonary arrest and was in a state of unresponsive wakefulness. Scans showed extensive loss in all regions of his brain, doctors said.

I personally don't think the NK put him in the state he was in at least intentionally. Warmbier was more valuable to them alive and healthy then dead or in a coma. I view him more as a hostage than a prisoner. Hostages have no value if they are not alive and healthy

(06-21-2017 01:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I personally don't think the NK put him in the state he was in at least intentionally. Warmbier was more valuable to them alive and healthy then dead or in a coma. I view him more as a hostage than a prisoner. Hostages have no value if they are not alive and healthy

North Korea > "...oops, did I do thaaaat?..."

(06-20-2017 11:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 11:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 09:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I find the wording they use for what killed him to be very interesting.

Suffering from injuries related to "insert medical terminology" seems to be purposefully evasive.

Honestly, it sounds like he had an event that caused oxygen deprivation to the brain resulting in wide spread brain damage. Seems like they are effectively describing him as being in a vegetative state---not comatose, but not really capable of conscience behavior---with extensive brain damage shown in scans. They are probably being vague because they really don't know exactly what happened to him.

It seem couched in a way that avoids saying that he was mistreated, doesn't it?

It does. Im wondering if there are no obvious outward signs of abuse (no skull fractures for instance), so what ever happened was less obvious (like maybe some sort of water torture that went too far?).

This.

https://radio.foxnews.com/2017/06/20/mic...-citizens/

Here is a good take on the situation

We know who killed Otto, who killed Seth Rich?