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Even without GCU and CSU, the WAC has seven with Cal Baptist. NCAA would give waiver.

Won't believe GCU until it's official, but less confident now.
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(06-21-2017 05:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 05:25 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The WAC may need Chicago State to survive after all . . .


WAC should invite West Texas A&M right now. Their football could be an affiliate to the Big Sky or Southland. New Mexico State could play H/H games with them every year in football.

You really need to consider what you are writing before you hit "post reply". The only way that NMSU would do a home and home with a school in the Big Sky or Southland is if they went FCS and at that point they probably should just terminate the program as it most likely would not be worth it.
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(06-21-2017 03:08 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  SIU-E may be the best choice here.

Brings the St. Louis market to the Horizon and has baseball.

Gateway to further expansion to the west....will help to form western division.

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Somehow I think that last line was an intentional pun.
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(06-21-2017 05:39 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Even without GCU and CSU, the WAC has seven with Cal Baptist. NCAA would give waiver.

Won't believe GCU until it's official, but less confident now.

So much for institutions giving a rip about GCU's private, for-profit status.
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https://twitter.com/TonyPaul1984/status/...8728443904

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Per @FatherHarry1, SIU-Edwardsville didn't get a Horizon League invite. That would seem to leave Fort Wayne and Grand Canyon.
3:18 PM - 21 Jun 2017

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It's really looking even more strongly like Grand Canyon. The rumors the last month point to this. They have everything ready to go at the drop of a hat.

Not so when you look at Purdue-Fort Wayne. Consider the hurdles Murray State went through to set up the money to be able to exit the OVC and compete in the MVC. Murray has considerably larger fan base and donations than Fort Wayne. None of the mechanics to set up accepting an invite have happened at fort Wayne, no money has been set aside for funding the first two years, no student fee increase either.
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Stu, just be patient. Presidents and boards don't move at the speed of light. If handshakes were made with Fort Wayne, they'll get around to setting it up in a couple weeks.
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MplsBison,

The Presidents have already acted.

Are you willing to bet on it? I'll ship you an item of your choice up to $50 if it's PFW. You ship me a bottle of scotch I have my eye on (~$42 before shipping).

Money talks and GCU has lots of it. Fort Wayne has almost none.
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(06-21-2017 05:39 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 05:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 05:25 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The WAC may need Chicago State to survive after all . . .


WAC should invite West Texas A&M right now. Their football could be an affiliate to the Big Sky or Southland. New Mexico State could play H/H games with them every year in football.

You really need to consider what you are writing before you hit "post reply". The only way that NMSU would do a home and home with a school in the Big Sky or Southland is if they went FCS and at that point they probably should just terminate the program as it most likely would not be worth it.

They should terminate it anyways. They have just 4 winning seasons in the last 50 years and none with more than 7 wins.
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(06-21-2017 06:07 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  MplsBison,

The Presidents have already acted.

Are you willing to bet on it? I'll ship you an item of your choice up to $50 if it's PFW. You ship me a bottle of scotch I have my eye on (~$42 before shipping).

Money talks and GCU has lots of it. Fort Wayne has almost none.

I'm talking about the PU board. Esp for a branch campus ... they're not going to backflip to have a meeting and post that on the internet, just for you, right this moment.

Give it a couple weeks.
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(06-21-2017 05:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/TonyPaul1984/status/...8728443904

Tony Paul‏ @TonyPaul1984

Per @FatherHarry1, SIU-Edwardsville didn't get a Horizon League invite. That would seem to leave Fort Wayne and Grand Canyon.
3:18 PM - 21 Jun 2017

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It's really looking even more strongly like Grand Canyon. The rumors the last month point to this. They have everything ready to go at the drop of a hat.

Not so when you look at Purdue-Fort Wayne. Consider the hurdles Murray State went through to set up the money to be able to exit the OVC and compete in the MVC. Murray has considerably larger fan base and donations than Fort Wayne. None of the mechanics to set up accepting an invite have happened at fort Wayne, no money has been set aside for funding the first two years, no student fee increase either.

Grand Canyon could pay the exit fee now. The future PU-FW would need to consider how it pays for the Summit exit fee. Fort Wayne wants and needs to mbb team in their new city arena. The Summit hardly does anything to interest fans in FW, so the Horizon is a big upgrade locally. Think IPFW needs to carefully plan their financial affairs even running it by Purdue now, so it's PUFW that gets the call if they don't reject it. GCU can accept on the spot and don't need time. Thought I heard it's an extra half million the Summit adds in fees with a quick, under a year, move. A move at this late date would cause a lot of scheduling issues.

Not discounting GCU for later, but the Horizon needs ten core schools. GCU would be understood to be temporary and could fly away at the drop of a hat.
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This is BS. Guy's baiting schools to respond because the matter has been silent. Keeps changing the line, too.

Yeah, two weeks? Convenient, since that puts us oh so close to the fiscal year, an easy target deadline.

This is RMU's spot to lose. You think THEY don't know their shortcomings athletically?
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(06-21-2017 06:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 05:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/TonyPaul1984/status/...8728443904

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Per @FatherHarry1, SIU-Edwardsville didn't get a Horizon League invite. That would seem to leave Fort Wayne and Grand Canyon.
3:18 PM - 21 Jun 2017

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It's really looking even more strongly like Grand Canyon. The rumors the last month point to this. They have everything ready to go at the drop of a hat.

Not so when you look at Purdue-Fort Wayne. Consider the hurdles Murray State went through to set up the money to be able to exit the OVC and compete in the MVC. Murray has considerably larger fan base and donations than Fort Wayne. None of the mechanics to set up accepting an invite have happened at fort Wayne, no money has been set aside for funding the first two years, no student fee increase either.

Grand Canyon could pay the exit fee now. The future PU-FW would need to consider how it pays for the Summit exit fee. Fort Wayne wants and needs to mbb team in their new city arena. The Summit hardly does anything to interest fans in FW, so the Horizon is a big upgrade locally. Think IPFW needs to carefully plan their financial affairs even running it by Purdue now, so it's PUFW that gets the call if they don't reject it. GCU can accept on the spot and don't need time. Thought I heard it's an extra half million the Summit adds in fees with a quick, under a year, move. A move at this late date would cause a lot of scheduling issues.

Not discounting GCU for later, but the Horizon needs ten core schools. GCU would be understood to be temporary and could fly away at the drop of a hat.

But isn't the Horizon basically what the Summit used to be minus a few teams?
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MplsBison,

Indiana has a 48 hour public notice minimum per IC-5-14.1-5

A summary of the law is found here
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/open-mee...ws-indiana

The Purdue Board of Trustees website is here
http://www.purdue.edu/bot/

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FortWayne already has a lot on their plate. The Board just 5 days ago worked on the realignment from IU and PU to PU. It would be very difficult and uncharted to switch during the transition. They would likely need both PU and IU board approval of an athletic move until June 2018 when PU alone takes full control.

http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/...ments.html

These fees would have to be adjusted to pay for an athletic increase or fund trannsfer. And that requires a meeting.

http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/...udget.html

Bottom line, the timing is as bad as it can possibly be for Purdue-Fort Wayne to try and switch conferences.

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FYI, my offer is for today only. We will almost certainly know the truth by tomorrow at this time. And it would no longer be fair the moment some news verifying one or the other is out. (Could happen any moment)
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(06-21-2017 06:32 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 06:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 05:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/TonyPaul1984/status/...8728443904

Tony Paul‏ @TonyPaul1984

Per @FatherHarry1, SIU-Edwardsville didn't get a Horizon League invite. That would seem to leave Fort Wayne and Grand Canyon.
3:18 PM - 21 Jun 2017

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It's really looking even more strongly like Grand Canyon. The rumors the last month point to this. They have everything ready to go at the drop of a hat.

Not so when you look at Purdue-Fort Wayne. Consider the hurdles Murray State went through to set up the money to be able to exit the OVC and compete in the MVC. Murray has considerably larger fan base and donations than Fort Wayne. None of the mechanics to set up accepting an invite have happened at fort Wayne, no money has been set aside for funding the first two years, no student fee increase either.

Grand Canyon could pay the exit fee now. The future PU-FW would need to consider how it pays for the Summit exit fee. Fort Wayne wants and needs to mbb team in their new city arena. The Summit hardly does anything to interest fans in FW, so the Horizon is a big upgrade locally. Think IPFW needs to carefully plan their financial affairs even running it by Purdue now, so it's PUFW that gets the call if they don't reject it. GCU can accept on the spot and don't need time. Thought I heard it's an extra half million the Summit adds in fees with a quick, under a year, move. A move at this late date would cause a lot of scheduling issues.

Not discounting GCU for later, but the Horizon needs ten core schools. GCU would be understood to be temporary and could fly away at the drop of a hat.

But isn't the Horizon basically what the Summit used to be minus a few teams?

Almost the whole Summit jumped to the Horizon when the Horizon lost its key Catholic based schools. The Summit survived by taking the most desperate teams available, like Southern Utah, Troy, Centenary, Chicago St, Youngstown St, Central Connecticut etc. IPFW and the Dakotas were Division II then.
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I mean more recently, not when Xavier was in the league and jumped to the A-10.
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I am surprise they did not look at Bellarmine? They are better situated to move to the Horizon. I think they do offer all the sports as well.

As for West Texas A&M? They do still have rapid fan base that could go higher if they move to D1. Every Texas schools still have better fan support than some MAC schools. The Lone Star conference alone tells it alone as a better football attendance conference for football behind the HBCU conferences. One of the West Texas A&M's home game, if I remember right, had more than 22,000 in the 20,000 seat stadium. That is more than what New Mexico State could get lately.
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My money's on Fort Wayne for 2018, but any chance it might be someone else outside the footprint like Florida Gulf Coast? They tick the right boxes in terms of basketball and baseball, although their budget is a bit small by Horizon League Standards. Flights to Florida are plentiful, and at least you don't have the time zone difference that the Horizon would have with GCU.
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(06-21-2017 06:44 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I mean more recently, not when Xavier was in the league and jumped to the A-10.

The Horizon lost Duquense, LaSalle, Notre Dame, Xavier, Dayton in a relatively short time frame. After the Summit teams left for the new Horizon, the Summit really only had junk schools geographically until the Dakota schools moved up, and the footprint tightened up.
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The question is not being answered, I'm pretty much asking if the Horizon basically looks like the Summit from 10 years ago?
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(06-21-2017 07:02 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 06:44 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I mean more recently, not when Xavier was in the league and jumped to the A-10.

The Horizon lost Duquense, LaSalle, Notre Dame, Xavier, Dayton in a relatively short time frame. After the Summit teams left for the new Horizon, the Summit really only had junk schools geographically until the Dakota schools moved up, and the footprint tightened up.

And thank heavens Oral Roberts came to their senses and returned. They were an odd fit in the Southland
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