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RE: CUSA "value rankings"...
(06-20-2017 08:59 PM)galojah Wrote:  Why not be a journalist and just do your job and confirm the fact. Lazy.
Quote:According to WKU, the Hilltoppers have claimed a total of 21 C-USA regular season titles or C-USA tournament titles over the last three years, outpacing Rice (10) and UTEP (8).

No one gives a hoot about WKU claiming 2 tennis, volleyball, and track & field titles every year. Football, basketball, baseball and their support make up most of a team's value. Women's soccer isn't going to change the perception of C-USA.
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(06-21-2017 01:45 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 08:59 PM)galojah Wrote:  Why not be a journalist and just do your job and confirm the fact. Lazy.
Quote:According to WKU, the Hilltoppers have claimed a total of 21 C-USA regular season titles or C-USA tournament titles over the last three years, outpacing Rice (10) and UTEP (8).

No one gives a hoot about WKU claiming 2 tennis, volleyball, and track & field titles every year. Football, basketball, baseball and their support make up most of a team's value. Women's soccer isn't going to change the perception of C-USA.

So what has UAB done? Yep, that's what I though. This came from a S. Miss writer and that explains three out of the 4 top schools on his list. If fan support was one of the top factors..as it seems. Then UAB sure wouldn't be anywhere close to the top. Neither would they be if winning and facilities mattered. So what does that leave? Let me see...long time conference member with S. Miss

BTW, to most people, outside of the schools that are good in the sport. Baseball adds very little value to a conference.
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As a totally non-biased 3rd party observer, I see absolutely nothing wrong with these rankings.
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(06-21-2017 08:58 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 07:48 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Yawn, lets take it out to the playing field and see who has the most value.

We did. You lost.
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One game. I wish like hell they would let us play more often.
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(06-21-2017 01:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So what has UAB done? Yep, that's what I though. This came from a S. Miss writer and that explains three out of the 4 top schools on his list. If fan support was one of the top factors..as it seems. Then UAB sure wouldn't be anywhere close to the top. Neither would they be if winning and facilities mattered. So what does that leave? Let me see...long time conference member with S. Miss

BTW, to most people, outside of the schools that are good in the sport. Baseball adds very little value to a conference.

Where did I say anything about UAB? I didn't. Simply responded to that "21" championships claim WKU fans keep using, tabulated using Tuscaloosa math.

Our football offices and practice facilities are brand new, Bartow Arena is quite nice, baseball plays large number of games at the great Barons baseball park, soccer field is new. Legion Field is ancient but one of the dwindling knocks against our facilities.

We ranked in the top half of attendance for the most recent seasons we participated in football and basketball. There is certainly work to be done to make sure football support maintains.
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(06-21-2017 11:34 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Funny how we get so worked up about some guy's "opinion" piece

I'm gonna write one that has MT at the top. It would hold just as much merit (i.e. not much) as this guy's article

It certainly is nothing to get worked up about, one way or the other.
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(06-21-2017 03:19 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 01:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So what has UAB done? Yep, that's what I though. This came from a S. Miss writer and that explains three out of the 4 top schools on his list. If fan support was one of the top factors..as it seems. Then UAB sure wouldn't be anywhere close to the top. Neither would they be if winning and facilities mattered. So what does that leave? Let me see...long time conference member with S. Miss

BTW, to most people, outside of the schools that are good in the sport. Baseball adds very little value to a conference.

Where did I say anything about UAB? I didn't. Simply responded to that "21" championships claim WKU fans keep using, tabulated using Tuscaloosa math.

Our football offices and practice facilities are brand new, Bartow Arena is quite nice, baseball plays large number of games at the great Barons baseball park, soccer field is new. Legion Field is ancient but one of the dwindling knocks against our facilities.

We ranked in the top half of attendance for the most recent seasons we participated in football and basketball. There is certainly work to be done to make sure football support maintains.

Isnt Birmingham also one of the best markets for college sports in the country, routinely among the top 10 cities nationwide getting the highest TV ratings?
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I can't see any particular criteria for determining these rankings. ODU would certainly be one of the top teams in terms of value in my opinion. Probably not the absolute top, but I don't see a particular problem with them being #1. Certainly top tier.
UAB has some repairs to do to restore their value to the conference. #4 seems way to hight.
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(06-21-2017 03:51 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 03:19 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 01:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So what has UAB done? Yep, that's what I though. This came from a S. Miss writer and that explains three out of the 4 top schools on his list. If fan support was one of the top factors..as it seems. Then UAB sure wouldn't be anywhere close to the top. Neither would they be if winning and facilities mattered. So what does that leave? Let me see...long time conference member with S. Miss

BTW, to most people, outside of the schools that are good in the sport. Baseball adds very little value to a conference.

Where did I say anything about UAB? I didn't. Simply responded to that "21" championships claim WKU fans keep using, tabulated using Tuscaloosa math.

Our football offices and practice facilities are brand new, Bartow Arena is quite nice, baseball plays large number of games at the great Barons baseball park, soccer field is new. Legion Field is ancient but one of the dwindling knocks against our facilities.

We ranked in the top half of attendance for the most recent seasons we participated in football and basketball. There is certainly work to be done to make sure football support maintains.

Isnt Birmingham also one of the best markets for college sports in the country, routinely among the top 10 cities nationwide getting the highest TV ratings?

The question is who are they watching? Don't think it's UAB
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As I said earlier, it's an opinion piece and he has that right. I think the real issue is it's difficult to ascertain from his ranking how he came to that ranking. He mentions "value to the conference" and then lists a few criteria but his ranking doesn't seem to fit his criteria unless he had some weighting system for each criteria....ie. Attendence 50 pts, Winning 1 pt, rivals of his team 10 pts, etc. It's messy writing and difficult to imagine what his thought process was in developing his ranking.

Nevertheless, it's one of thousands of opinions, as demonstrated in this thread. I didn't even realize it was a Mississippi paper until someone above mentioned it.

In my personal ranking, I'd definitely have ODU at the top or near the top. There's a reason they've been mentioned more than once as a possible candidate for the AAC in the future.

There are several programs in this conference that "can" bring value to the conference. Some have started to bring that value, others have yet to do so but have lots of "potential". Some may be dead weight but we're just 3 years into this new conference of 14 and things may change considerably over the next couple years.

In full disclosure, I don't think WKU brings much value to the conference. TV Market is weighted heavily in all conference discussions and WKU will never get those points.. We're just a directional public university in a small market. We win in most sports but that's rarely important in determining "value" unless that winning includes making Final Four runs or regularly getting to the Access Bowl.
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(06-21-2017 04:22 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  As I said earlier, it's an opinion piece and he has that right. I think the real issue is it's difficult to ascertain from his ranking how he came to that ranking. He mentions "value to the conference" and then lists a few criteria but his ranking doesn't seem to fit his criteria unless he had some weighting system for each criteria....ie. Attendence 50 pts, Winning 1 pt, rivals of his team 10 pts, etc. It's messy writing and difficult to imagine what his thought process was in developing his ranking.

Nevertheless, it's one of thousands of opinions, as demonstrated in this thread. I didn't even realize it was a Mississippi paper until someone above mentioned it.

In my personal ranking, I'd definitely have ODU at the top or near the top. There's a reason they've been mentioned more than once as a possible candidate for the AAC in the future.

There are several programs in this conference that "can" bring value to the conference. Some have started to bring that value, others have yet to do so but have lots of "potential". Some may be dead weight but we're just 3 years into this new conference of 14 and things may change considerably over the next couple years.

In full disclosure, I don't think WKU brings much value to the conference. TV Market is weighted heavily in all conference discussions and WKU will never get those points.. We're just a directional public university in a small market. We win in most sports but that's rarely important in determining "value" unless that winning includes making Final Four runs or regularly getting to the Access Bowl.


Not that I disagree with this....5 years ago. But today 2017 I believe we have seen that no one in this conference moves that needle or brings "value" to the conference. The one thing I will point out, over the last couple years, Western was on TV more often than those in larger markets. National TV....chosen by those that decide the "value" of who they put on TV. I don't recall seeing those market teams being picked.
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(06-21-2017 04:22 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  As I said earlier, it's an opinion piece and he has that right. I think the real issue is it's difficult to ascertain from his ranking how he came to that ranking. He mentions "value to the conference" and then lists a few criteria but his ranking doesn't seem to fit his criteria unless he had some weighting system for each criteria....ie. Attendence 50 pts, Winning 1 pt, rivals of his team 10 pts, etc. It's messy writing and difficult to imagine what his thought process was in developing his ranking.

Nevertheless, it's one of thousands of opinions, as demonstrated in this thread. I didn't even realize it was a Mississippi paper until someone above mentioned it.

In my personal ranking, I'd definitely have ODU at the top or near the top. There's a reason they've been mentioned more than once as a possible candidate for the AAC in the future.

There are several programs in this conference that "can" bring value to the conference. Some have started to bring that value, others have yet to do so but have lots of "potential". Some may be dead weight but we're just 3 years into this new conference of 14 and things may change considerably over the next couple years.

In full disclosure, I don't think WKU brings much value to the conference. TV Market is weighted heavily in all conference discussions and WKU will never get those points.. We're just a directional public university in a small market. We win in most sports but that's rarely important in determining "value" unless that winning includes making Final Four runs or regularly getting to the Access Bowl.

FWIW, I think actually winning should be the #1 thing that matters. If I'm building a conference I want the best teams. Alas, we don't live in a perfect world.
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(06-21-2017 12:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 07:56 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 10:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 09:02 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  This doesn't have to be so difficult. It is easy to break it down.

Athletic departments that are getting it done
LA Tech
Middle Tennessee
ODU
Southern Miss
WKU

Programs that need to do more
Charlotte
Marshall
North Texas
Rice
UAB
UTEP
UTSA

Programs that need to do a lot more
FAU
FIU


I'm just going to do football & basketball if you want to add others go for it. But from where I sit FIU won more than UNT in both sports in the 3 years Western has been in CUSA. Not far from UNCC in basketball. FAU is a step below but lets be honest...not much.

So point out to me again why those two are way below UNT?

Football
2016 wins
UNT 5
FIU 4
FAU 3

2015 wins
UNT 1
FIU 5
FAU 3

2014 WINS
UNT 4
FIU 4
FAU 3

3 YEAR AVG
UNT 3.3
FIU 4.3
FAU 3

BASKETBALL
2016 WINS
UNT 8
FIU 7
FAU 10
UNCC 13

2015 WINS
UNT 12
FIU 13
FAU 8
UNCC 14

2014 WINS
UNT 14
FIU 16
FAU 9
UNCC 14

3 YEAR AVG
UNT 11.3
FIU 12
FAU 9
UNCC 13.6

How very convenient of you to leave out our 2013 season, when North Texas won 9 games in football and beat UNLV in the HOD. Yes North Texas football only won 5 games last season, but we also represented C-USA in our second bowl in 4 season. That alone is enough to keep North Texas out of the cellar.

Plus, UNT is pumping money into our facilities, and programs too. This off-season, North Texas bought out the contract of Arkansas State's 20 game winning basketball coach. North Texas poaching quality coaches from other G5 conferences is also good for C-USA. If we don't see a big turnaround in basketball next season, I will be shocked.

In a few months North Texas will be breaking ground on a new track and soccer facility, and soon North Texas will be expanding their athletic center and building a new indoor practice facility and weight room for our football team.

I'm not being unreasonable. I didn't even think about placing North Texas among the top of the conference, but we are doing good things, and are certainly not at the bottom of C-USA.


No what you are doing is adding a 4th year...the article clearly said "Conference USA just finished its third year in its current 14-team lineup and it’s been a mixed bag of results during that stretch"

And no UNT's 5-8 season last year doesn't push you up the rankings. UNT won a total of 5 games. If you want to add APR into the mix then you have a point. UNT did not earn a bowl bid on the field.

But if we are going to start adding things into value....that ocean, beach, and cool 78 degree heat in the dead of winter out weight most things.

On the field and court over the 3 years this article was about...FIU & UNT were close to equal with FIU winning more. You add your bowl game that wasn't earned with wins and I will add ocean, beach, winter weather and to me (probably most people) it's not close on which one adds more value

Well... the author of the story should do more research. C-USA hasn't played a season with 14 football teams since 2013. The conference isn't finishing its' 3 season with a 14 team lineup. C-USA only had 13 football teams in 2014, 2015, and 2016. 01-wingedeagle All the more reason our 2013 season counts. Now that we have identified the fact that C-USA has only fielded 13 teams in the most important sport (football) over the last 3 seasons, and FAU and FIU both played for C-USA in 2013... why shouldn't 2013 count?

Don't you find it interesting that this writer for a local paper that covers Southern Miss chose to leave out the 2013 season, where Southern Miss finished 1-11? 04-jawdrop

North Texas has done some good things since moving to C-USA, and we are focused on continuing to improve.
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Patrick "Big 12 Inches Towards Expansion" Magee.

That's all you need to know about the author. LOL!

Glad so many were offended. He "picked some scabs", didn't he? Fan support sucks at newbie programs. Imagine that? No one wants to play them either? Shocked I tell you. No brand name whatsoever. Totally generic.

He was too harsh on FAU and FIU. They just made big-time hires. There's a ton of potential. Too many challenges to list. We all need $. And support. Show up. Attend your school's events. You newbies need to find/create an identity/brand. BEAT SOMEBODY OOC.
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1. WKU
2. LaTech
3. USM
4. ODU
5. MT
6. Marshall
7. UTEP
8. UTSA
9. UAB (only because of no football. Sorry, can't rank high without the golden goose)
10. Rice
11. NT
12-14 UNCC/FIU/FAU. You all equally suck.
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(06-21-2017 03:51 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Isnt Birmingham also one of the best markets for college sports in the country, routinely among the top 10 cities nationwide getting the highest TV ratings?


We had pretty good numbers in Birmingham on ASN in 2014, which is why I'm surprised STADIUM is basically ignoring us this season. Maybe we don't do well out of market.
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FWIW, FIU is ranked in Forbes' top 300 colleges and universities for value, which is something most other C-USA schools can't say.

So I guess they're excelling in other areas.
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WKU, MT, LT, USM and ODU have all brought value due to winning FB and MBB and Marshall is well known for winning FB and it's history. Rice adds value because everyone knows who they are and how high ranking it's academics are. FIU and FAU made splashy hires in FB and raised some eyebrows that helps the conference, at least temporarily.

We need a team to make it to the Access Bowl and more than 1 team to make it into the NCAA tourney in MBB.
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Which program is responsible for the most revenue coming into CUSA in the last three or four years. Who actually brings money to the conference. About the only thing that counts there is money from the NCAA tournament. I'd say MT has done that the last couple of years advancing beyond the first round of the tournament. Is there any other thing that brings money into the conference that is the result of one program's winning efforts???
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