(07-22-2017 07:51 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 09:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let's speculate that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Kansas leave the Big 12. (Maybe those aren't the exact 4 but you get the general idea.) Who do you rebuild with?

My picks are Houston, BYU, Cincy, USF, UCF

I would actually expand to 12 with Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut and Navy (football only)/Wichita State (non-football):

West - Navy, TCU, Houston, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Kansas State
East - Iowa State, Memphis, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Temple, Connecticut

The American only reloads back to 10 schools with Rice, Marshall, Western Kentucky, and Middle Tennessee.

Yeah because temple and UConn are so much better college football markets... Florida is the Mecca of college football with 2 huge schools that dwarf temple and UConn.
No way in the world USF and UCF aren't in before Temple, Navy, or UConn

I say let's swing it the other way. Let's say the Big XII keeps the Texhoma group, signs a lengthy GOR, re-ups the Sugar Bowl and starts a conference network. They decide to expand to make the network lucrative and the B1G and SEC finally succeeds in poaching the ACC of UNC, UVA and Duke. (Obviously this is at the end of the ACC's GOR). How does this scenario shake out?

I could see them taking advantage of their central location and expanding both east and west. Here's my stab at it...

BIG XVI AMERICAN
Texas
TCU
Texas Tech
Baylor
*Florida St
*Louisville
*Boise State

BIG XVI NATIONAL
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
*Clemson
*Virginia Tech
*BYU

Permanent Crossovers
Texas/Oklahoma
FSU/Clemson
WVU/VT
Boise St/BYU

(07-23-2017 08:01 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(07-22-2017 07:51 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 09:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let's speculate that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Kansas leave the Big 12. (Maybe those aren't the exact 4 but you get the general idea.) Who do you rebuild with?

My picks are Houston, BYU, Cincy, USF, UCF

I would actually expand to 12 with Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut and Navy (football only)/Wichita State (non-football):

West - Navy, TCU, Houston, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Kansas State
East - Iowa State, Memphis, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Temple, Connecticut

The American only reloads back to 10 schools with Rice, Marshall, Western Kentucky, and Middle Tennessee.

Yeah because temple and UConn are so much better college football markets... Florida is the Mecca of college football with 2 huge schools that dwarf temple and UConn.
No way in the world USF and UCF aren't in before Temple, Navy, or UConn

I left USF and UCF out at 12 simply because if the Big 12 gets kicked out of the cartel, this basically becomes . . . the American. At that point keeping the Big 12 a multi-bid league in basketball becomes a more sustainable path to limit the financial blow to schools like West Virginia and TCU. Navy of course drives up the value of the football inventory with four conference road games.

Now at 14 members, I would put in USF and UCF, with Iowa State moving to the West Division. Travel is a bit of an issue with the U_Fs, as every game in every team sport will be a flight for them. As crazy as it sounds, USF is roughly the same distance from Houston as it is from Cincinnati or Annapolis - splitting the Florida schools could be a realistic alignment. At least the other 12 schools divide into sensible connecting pairs.

It was difficult to leave SMU out, but TCU would presumably not want them in the Big 12.

(06-21-2017 06:06 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:12 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 08:29 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 07:59 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  For the people thinking some of us should go go back and reread old articles, I'd say they need to go back and reread the question.

This is about what the Big XII would do if 4 schools LEFT the conference and needed to rebuild, NOT what schools they looked at for expansion. Expansion would tend to center around markets, rebuilding around reputation.

If you're going to rebuild with a snowball's chance in hell of competing with the other conferences for bowl games and more specifically NY6 bowl games, you need schools with some sort of tradition or a who are a known quantity. Big time bowl games and their sponsors aren't going to go all in on some new kid on the block who MIGHT have "growing" fan base.

That's why adding a Boise or a BYU makes more sense than a couple of the Johnny Come Latelys

You mean that growing fan base that has proven it can draw close to 70,000 fans for home games? The smart money is to bet on the future, not the past. I do agree that BYU should be #1 on the list but you cannot deny the upside of the Florida twins in the hotbed of CFB vs a team in the hotbed of potatoes.

Potential and a $1 will get you a cup of coffee.

If you look at USF's attendance from last year, other than the FSU game, they averaged slightly over 30k for home games. Not exactly packing them in. That and at BEST they'll be the #3 team in the state.

They could eventually be a target for expansion, but if you're trying to rebuild a conference, there are better choices.

USF averaged over 42,000 fans last season including 37,000 against scrubs like Towson and NIU.

I wouldn't call us a scrub team...

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(07-25-2017 01:22 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 06:06 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:12 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 08:29 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 07:59 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  For the people thinking some of us should go go back and reread old articles, I'd say they need to go back and reread the question.

This is about what the Big XII would do if 4 schools LEFT the conference and needed to rebuild, NOT what schools they looked at for expansion. Expansion would tend to center around markets, rebuilding around reputation.

If you're going to rebuild with a snowball's chance in hell of competing with the other conferences for bowl games and more specifically NY6 bowl games, you need schools with some sort of tradition or a who are a known quantity. Big time bowl games and their sponsors aren't going to go all in on some new kid on the block who MIGHT have "growing" fan base.

That's why adding a Boise or a BYU makes more sense than a couple of the Johnny Come Latelys

You mean that growing fan base that has proven it can draw close to 70,000 fans for home games? The smart money is to bet on the future, not the past. I do agree that BYU should be #1 on the list but you cannot deny the upside of the Florida twins in the hotbed of CFB vs a team in the hotbed of potatoes.

Potential and a $1 will get you a cup of coffee.

If you look at USF's attendance from last year, other than the FSU game, they averaged slightly over 30k for home games. Not exactly packing them in. That and at BEST they'll be the #3 team in the state.

They could eventually be a target for expansion, but if you're trying to rebuild a conference, there are better choices.

USF averaged over 42,000 fans last season including 37,000 against scrubs like Towson and NIU.

I wouldn't call us a scrub team...

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