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YouTube TV announced a nationwide expansion today. Previously they were limited to the top 100 markets
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Houston folks: AT&T Southwest now available on Fubo TV

First time any AT&T/Root Sports network made available via OTT platform

https://southwest-attsn.att.com/2019/02/...territory/
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Stadium is free with ads on Xumo.tv. They do show MWC games on there. Xumo also have ACC Digital Network as well. Xumo.tv parent company that owns MySpace. So, MySpace have their own to compete with Youtube and Facebook.
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Updated.

Stadium in now on the Sling Blue and Orange packages. Stadium Plus is now part of the Extra Sports package on Sling. Before Stadium was only on the extra sports package. Seems like they make some moves in the OTT platform. Hopefully they would be able to get on the lower tiers on other platforms.

https://watchstadium.com/news/stadium-de...-sling-tv/
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Sounds like DirecTV Now will pare down to 2 packages and increase the price by $10/month.
Expect more customers to drop them, I already did a couple of months ago.

I will update when it becomes official.

https://www-cordcuttersnews-com.cdn.ampp...ackages%2F
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(03-09-2019 09:46 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Sounds like DirecTV Now will pare down to 2 packages and increase the price by $10/month.
Expect more customers to drop them, I already did a couple of months ago.

I will update when it becomes official.

https://www-cordcuttersnews-com.cdn.ampp...ackages%2F

Yuck! Looks like my $35 grandfathered package that became $40 will now become $50.
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Found the new Directvnow package breakdown link on reddit. I dont see how this is going to be attractive with services like YouTube TV, Sling, and Philo being cheaper with more content


https://cdn.directv.com/content/dam/dtv/...c-all.html
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New DirecTV Now Packages are up.

The new packages are $50 Plus and $70 Max. The old packages have been renamed and the price jacked way up.

$40 Live a Little package is now $93 - Entertainment
$55 Just Right package is now $110 - Choice
$65 Go Big Package is now $124 - Xtra
$75 Gotta Have It Package is now $135 - Ultimate

The Plus package has ESPN/2, FS1, and NBCSN
The Max package has all ESPN, Fox, NBC, and CBS cable sports networks. Both packages have the Turner networks and HBO

Current subscribers keep what they have with a $10 increase.

With the amount of competition in this market, I dont see how AT&T expects to add new subscribers
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As of 03/13/2019
From a sports fan perspective (English Language Only). This does not include any temporary promotional prices

$10/month - Sling World Sports - BEIN Sports, BEIN Spanish, Outside TV, Willow TV, Willow TV Extra, Trace Sports Stars, Nautical Channel
An easy way to add BEIN if your main provider doesnt carry it or if BEIN is all you want. Willow is a cricket network too.

$15/month - AT&T Watch TV - TBS/TNT/TruTV
New plan included in certain AT&T phone plans and available for stand alone purchase that includes all the Turner Networks for MLB/NBA/NCAA

$25/month - Sling Orange - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 content, TBS, TNT
The cheapest price point available to get ESPN/2/TBS/TNT. Also include the Free Stadium 24/7 Channel

$25/month - Sling Blue - FS1, FS2, NBCSN, Local FOX/NBC affiliate and RSN (if available), TBS, TNT, TruTV, NFL Network
The cheapest price point available to get FOX/NBC/Turner/NFL Network/RSN. Also include the Free Stadium 24/7 Channel


$30/month - Sling Orange & Sports Pack - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 content, ESPNNEWS, ESPNU, ESPN Goal Line/Bases Loaded, SEC Network, TBS, TNT, PAC 12 Network, NBA Network, NHL Network, Tennis Channel, BEIN Sports, Stadium, Stadium Plus, OutsideTV, Motorsport TV
The cheapest price point available to get all ESPN Networks, TBS, and TNT with some other specialty sport networks.

$35/month - Sling Blue & Sports Pack - FS1, FS2, NBCSN, Local Fox/NBC Affiliate and RSN (if available), TBS, TNT, TruTv, NFL Network, NFL RedZone, NBA Network, NHL Network, Tennis Channel, Golf Channel, Olympic Channel, Pac 12 Network, BEIN Sports, Stadium, Stadium Plus, OutsideTV, Motorsport TV
Gets you pretty much all sports channels except the ESPN Networks, CBSSN, Big 10 Network, and MLB Network.

$40/month - YouTube TV - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNNEWS, ESPNU, FS1, FS2, CBSSN, NBCSN, Golf Channel, Olympic Channel, TBS, TNT, TruTV, Big 10 Network, SEC Network, MLB Network, NBA Network, Tennis Channel, Local ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX Affiliate and RSN (if available)
YouTube TV is perfect for sports fans who can live without NFL Network, NHL Network, BEIN, and PAC 12 Network.
ESPN3 Content available through the ESPN App

Sling Orange/Blue Combo is also available at $40/month. Sling will get you NFL Network access along with ESPN/2, FS1/2, NBCSN, RSN, and Turner sports at the $40 price point. If you prefer NFL Network to MLB Network, NBA Network, Tennis Channel, and Local ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX Affiliates, this may be a better option.

$45/month - FuboTv - FS1, FS2, CBSSN, NBCSN, Golf Channel, Olympic Channel, TBS, TNT, TruTV, Big 10 Network, PAC 12 Network, Fox Soccer Plus, NFL Network, NBA Network, BEIN, Eleven Sports, Local NBC/CBS/FOX and RSN (If available)
Fubo has a sports pack available for additional $9/month which will add NFL Redzone and other minor Sports Networks/Alternate feeds like the PAC 12 regional networks, Fox College Sports Network, and Gol TV

Hulu Live TV is also available at this $45 price point. It includes ABC and all of the ESPN Networks, minus the Longhorn Network, but does not include PAC 12 Network, Fox Soccer Plus, NFL Network, NBA Network, BEIN, and Eleven Sports.

$50/month - PS Vue Core - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNNEWS, ESPNU, FS1, FS2, CBSSN, NBCSN, Golf Channel, Olympic Channel, TBS, TNT, TruTV, Big 10 Network, SEC Network, NFL Network, MLB Network, NBA Network, Local ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX affiliate and RSN (if available)
If you can live without NHL Network, BEIN, PAC 12 Network, and Tennis Channel and need the NFL Network, this is the best package for you.

Sling Orange/Blue Combo with Sports is also available at $50/month. The advantage of this over PS Vue at the same price point is NFL Redzone, NHL Network, Tennis Channel, PAC 12 Network, Stadium Plus and BEIN. However you lose the MLB Network, Big 10 Network, CBSSN, and your local CBS if available. This is the cheapest way to get NFL Red Zone combined with the ESPN networks.

DirecTV Now has their Plus Package available at this $50 price point. It contains ESPN/2, FS1, NBCSN, TBS/TNT/TruTV

FuboTv Extra is also a base package available for $50 andd adds Stadium, Stadium Plus, and the Tennis Channel to the Fubo Lineup
Fubo has a sports pack available for additional $9/month which will add NFL Redzone and other minor Sports Networks/Alternate feeds like the PAC 12 regional networks, Fox College Sports Network, and Gol TV

$60/month - PS Vue Core w/ Sports Pack - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNNEWS, ESPNU, FS1, FS2, CBSSN, NBCSN, Golf Channel, Olympic Channel, TBS, TNT, TruTV, Big 10 Network, SEC Network, NFL Network, MLB Network, NBA Network, Local ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX affiliate and RSN (if available), SPORTS PACK CHANNELS - NFL Red Zone, ESPN Goal Line/Bases Loaded, ESPN Classic, Eleven Sports, the Fox College Sports Networks Trio, Longhorn Network, MLB Strike Zone, Outside TV, Stadium overflow feeds, and National feeds of NESN and NBC RSN's.
This gets you virtually every English Language sports channel except Stadium, NHL Network, BEIN, PAC 12 Network, and the Tennis Channel

$70/month - PS Vue Elite w/ Sports Pack - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNNEWS, ESPNU, FS1, FS2, CBSSN, NBCSN, Golf Channel, Olympic Channel, TBS, TNT, TruTV, Big 10 Network, SEC Network, NFL Network, MLB Network, NBA Network, Tennis Channel, Stadium, Local ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX affiliate and RSN (if available), SPORTS PACK CHANNELS - NFL Red Zone, ESPN Goal Line/Bases Loaded, ESPN Classic, Eleven Sports, the Fox College Sports Networks Trio, Longhorn Network, MLB Strike Zone, Outside TV, Stadium overflow feeds, and National feeds of NESN and FOX/NBC RSN's.
This gets you virtually every English Language sports channel except NHL Network, BEIN, and PAC 12 Network.

DirecTV Now has a $70 Max Package that contains ESPN/2/U/News, FS1/2, NBCSN, CBSSN, TBS/TNT/TruTV, Golf, Olympic, SEC Network, Big 10 Network, and your RSN
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(03-13-2019 12:22 PM)solohawks Wrote:  New DirecTV Now Packages are up.

The new packages are $50 Plus and $70 Max. The old packages have been renamed and the price jacked way up.

$40 Live a Little package is now $93 - Entertainment
$55 Just Right package is now $110 - Choice
$65 Go Big Package is now $124 - Xtra
$75 Gotta Have It Package is now $135 - Ultimate

The Plus package has ESPN/2, FS1, and NBCSN
The Max package has all ESPN, Fox, NBC, and CBS cable sports networks. Both packages have the Turner networks and HBO

Current subscribers keep what they have with a $10 increase.

With the amount of competition in this market, I dont see how AT&T expects to add new subscribers

DirecTV Now updated with the 2 tiers since new subscribers have those options only. Didn't know HBO was included, but really why? That adds $10-$15 right there, unless they are making it a marketing thing.

Couple of observations:
1. The Nick channels are no longer part of the packages.
2. More sports channels added to Max.

Yeah...I don't how AT&T is going to get more subscribers either. Unless Hulu Live TV and Fubo and UTUBE TV up their rates to equal $50. They may soon do that as it seems they are losing money with the rates they charge now with all the sports channels offered.
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Quote:Yeah...I don't how AT&T is going to get more subscribers either. Unless Hulu Live TV and Fubo and UTUBE TV up their rates to equal $50. They may soon do that as it seems they are losing money with the rates they charge now with all the sports channels offered.

The $50 package is a poor man's YouTube TV with HBO

The $70 package is a poor man's PS Vue Core with HBO and Cinemax

AT&T is really banking on HBO being a draw because there are way better options than these two packages for non HBO fans
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(03-13-2019 08:36 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
Quote:Yeah...I don't how AT&T is going to get more subscribers either. Unless Hulu Live TV and Fubo and UTUBE TV up their rates to equal $50. They may soon do that as it seems they are losing money with the rates they charge now with all the sports channels offered.

The $50 package is a poor man's YouTube TV with HBO

The $70 package is a poor man's PS Vue Core with HBO and Cinemax

AT&T is really banking on HBO being a draw because there are way better options than these two packages for non HBO fans

The $70 plan makes little sense. It consists of the $50 package plus Cinemax and a collection of specialty and regional sports channels. They offer Cinemax as a stand alone add on to the $50 package for $11. They should do the same with the sports channels and turn it into a Sport Tier. If they still wanted to offer the $70 package, they could simply offer the Sports Tier plus Cinemax at a discount over the stand alone add on prices for each. As it is, they are really going to drive away potential customers seeking their desired specialty or regional sports networks.

I do think the $50 package makes a lot of sense. They've trimmed down the number of channels and force you to take HBO. This should increase their margins quite a bit. These services have to be operating on incredibly thin margins. DirecTV may get fewer customers, but they might actually make some money. With Disney taking over Hulu, I would not be surprised to see a jiggering of Live packages there soon. YouTube TV is an incredible value. They've got to be losing a bunch trying to build a subscriber base, but those prices cannot possibly last.

Under an SVOD business model like Netflix, most of the programming costs are fixed. When you add new subscribers (or increase prices) , the additional revenues are mostly profit. Channels usually charge multichannel live services like DirecTV Now and YouTube TV on a per subscriber basis, so there is far less incremental profit from subscriber additions. AT&T and Disney may be able to make money from multichannel live services because they own lots of cable networks. Cable networks are similar to SVOD services - high fixed costs so that revenues from additional subscribers (or price increases) is mostly profit. Indeed, they need these services to defend against subscriber losses from traditional cable and satellite providers.
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(03-14-2019 02:30 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 08:36 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
Quote:Yeah...I don't how AT&T is going to get more subscribers either. Unless Hulu Live TV and Fubo and UTUBE TV up their rates to equal $50. They may soon do that as it seems they are losing money with the rates they charge now with all the sports channels offered.

The $50 package is a poor man's YouTube TV with HBO

The $70 package is a poor man's PS Vue Core with HBO and Cinemax

AT&T is really banking on HBO being a draw because there are way better options than these two packages for non HBO fans

The $70 plan makes little sense. It consists of the $50 package plus Cinemax and a collection of specialty and regional sports channels. They offer Cinemax as a stand alone add on to the $50 package for $11. They should do the same with the sports channels and turn it into a Sport Tier. If they still wanted to offer the $70 package, they could simply offer the Sports Tier plus Cinemax at a discount over the stand alone add on prices for each. As it is, they are really going to drive away potential customers seeking their desired specialty or regional sports networks.

I do think the $50 package makes a lot of sense. They've trimmed down the number of channels and force you to take HBO. This should increase their margins quite a bit. These services have to be operating on incredibly thin margins. DirecTV may get fewer customers, but they might actually make some money. With Disney taking over Hulu, I would not be surprised to see a jiggering of Live packages there soon. YouTube TV is an incredible value. They've got to be losing a bunch trying to build a subscriber base, but those prices cannot possibly last.

Under an SVOD business model like Netflix, most of the programming costs are fixed. When you add new subscribers (or increase prices) , the additional revenues are mostly profit. Channels usually charge multichannel live services like DirecTV Now and YouTube TV on a per subscriber basis, so there is far less incremental profit from subscriber additions. AT&T and Disney may be able to make money from multichannel live services because they own lots of cable networks. Cable networks are similar to SVOD services - high fixed costs so that revenues from additional subscribers (or price increases) is mostly profit. Indeed, they need these services to defend against subscriber losses from traditional cable and satellite providers.

I agree that the new packages are likely to be profitable, especially since AT&T owns HBO and the Turner networks, I just dont know who would want to pay $50 for the DirectvNow base package when there are so many better options out there. The only people who the $50 package makes since for are people who really want HBO.
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(03-14-2019 10:46 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 02:30 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 08:36 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
Quote:Yeah...I don't how AT&T is going to get more subscribers either. Unless Hulu Live TV and Fubo and UTUBE TV up their rates to equal $50. They may soon do that as it seems they are losing money with the rates they charge now with all the sports channels offered.

The $50 package is a poor man's YouTube TV with HBO

The $70 package is a poor man's PS Vue Core with HBO and Cinemax

AT&T is really banking on HBO being a draw because there are way better options than these two packages for non HBO fans

The $70 plan makes little sense. It consists of the $50 package plus Cinemax and a collection of specialty and regional sports channels. They offer Cinemax as a stand alone add on to the $50 package for $11. They should do the same with the sports channels and turn it into a Sport Tier. If they still wanted to offer the $70 package, they could simply offer the Sports Tier plus Cinemax at a discount over the stand alone add on prices for each. As it is, they are really going to drive away potential customers seeking their desired specialty or regional sports networks.

I do think the $50 package makes a lot of sense. They've trimmed down the number of channels and force you to take HBO. This should increase their margins quite a bit. These services have to be operating on incredibly thin margins. DirecTV may get fewer customers, but they might actually make some money. With Disney taking over Hulu, I would not be surprised to see a jiggering of Live packages there soon. YouTube TV is an incredible value. They've got to be losing a bunch trying to build a subscriber base, but those prices cannot possibly last.

Under an SVOD business model like Netflix, most of the programming costs are fixed. When you add new subscribers (or increase prices) , the additional revenues are mostly profit. Channels usually charge multichannel live services like DirecTV Now and YouTube TV on a per subscriber basis, so there is far less incremental profit from subscriber additions. AT&T and Disney may be able to make money from multichannel live services because they own lots of cable networks. Cable networks are similar to SVOD services - high fixed costs so that revenues from additional subscribers (or price increases) is mostly profit. Indeed, they need these services to defend against subscriber losses from traditional cable and satellite providers.

I agree that the new packages are likely to be profitable, especially since AT&T owns HBO and the Turner networks, I just dont know who would want to pay $50 for the Directv Now base package when there are so many better options out there. The only people who the $50 package makes since for are people who really want HBO.

At today's prices buying separate YouTube TV and HBO Now subscriptions would clearly to be a better option than the DirecTV Now $50 package. For $5 more, you'd get all of the specialty and regional sports channels (actually more) than the DirecTV Now Max plan, plus a bunch more channels. I really don't think that YouTube TV can maintain the $40 price long term though.
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(03-15-2019 07:41 AM)orangefan Wrote:  At today's prices buying separate YouTube TV and HBO Now subscriptions would clearly to be a better option than the DirecTV Now $50 package. For $5 more, you'd get all of the specialty and regional sports channels (actually more) than the DirecTV Now Max plan, plus a bunch more channels. I really don't think that YouTube TV can maintain the $40 price long term though.

Agree.
https://www.fiercevideo.com/operators/yo...alyst-says

How long will Google tolerate this?

With everyone else having raise prices I could see YouTube TV as well. They were at $35 and then went to $40 when they added Turner networks. If think it would be safe for them to go to $45 at this point and match Hulu.
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I tend to look at Reddit's cordcutter Subreddit for my up-to-date stuff.


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Fubo TV upped their prices by $10
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Updated. Thanks!
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MLB Network and the MLB Strikezone channel added to the Sling sports packs for both Orange and Blue
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