Only 7 are throwing in the finals, rather than 8. Do you know why, WRC? Might the 8th place competitor declined the opportunity to make the extra throws?

Ariana improves to 58.32m (191-4) on her final throw, but remained in 2nd place. Excellent performance!!

Winger's opening toss of 62.80m (206-0) remained her best.

(06-22-2017 04:42 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  A reminder that the finals of the women's Javelin (Ari Ince ) will begin tonight at 7:00 CDT. The World Championship standard is 61.40 meters (201' 5").

So I assume she has until July 21st to try to reach that standard too? How many Americans have bettered that standard?

(06-22-2017 08:54 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 04:42 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  A reminder that the finals of the women's Javelin (Ari Ince ) will begin tonight at 7:00 CDT. The World Championship standard is 61.40 meters (201' 5").

So I assume she has until July 21st to try to reach that standard too? How many Americans have bettered that standard?

Of those in the competition (a requirement) only Winger and Hannah Carson.

Scott runs 48.47 in the 400 for 886 points.

Scott finishes the day in 4th with 4234 points, just 26 out of 3rd and 72 out of second.

Filip is timed at 14.94 (857 points) in the 100 hurdles, 4th best in the first three of five heats.

(This is identical to his Texas Relays time in this event.)

UPDATE: All four competitors in the 4th heat run faster times. Scott's time is 8th best. Fifth heat contained only two "did not start" athletes.)

Scott's last discus throw was his best -- 36.94m (121-2), worth 603 points. He finished 14th out of 15 discus competitors and remained in 4th place overall, with 5,694 points.

With today's best discus throw -- 48.04 (157-7) worth 830 points -- Trey Hardee (Nike) moved within 12 points of first place overall, currently held by Devon Williams (Georgia) with 6,126 points. (Williams was 3rd in the discus with 45.63 (149-8), worth 780 points.)

In 3rd place overall is Zach Ziemek (adidas) with 5,840 points.
Filip is 4th at 5,694.
5th is Steven Bastien (Michigan) at 5,645.
6th is Gabriel Moore (Arkansas) at 5,609.
7th is Steele Wasik (Texas) with 5,599.

The pole vault starts at 3:25, Pacific time.

Scott's missed his first two attempts at his opening height of 4.3 meters (14-1)!!

(06-23-2017 05:32 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Scott's missed his first two attempts at his opening height of 4.3 meters (14-1)!!

Arrrgh! The dreaded "No Height"!!

(06-23-2017 05:34 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:32 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Scott's missed his first two attempts at his opening height of 4.3 meters (14-1)!!

Arrrgh! The dreaded "No Height"!!

It's been a Rice specialty over the past decade.

(06-23-2017 05:40 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:34 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:32 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Scott's missed his first two attempts at his opening height of 4.3 meters (14-1)!!

Arrrgh! The dreaded "No Height"!!

It's been a Rice specialty over the past decade.

Alarmingly so. I wonder if there's any systemic cause (coaching, preparation etc.) for these no-heights. Or just bad luck?

(06-23-2017 05:43 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:40 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:34 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:32 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Scott's missed his first two attempts at his opening height of 4.3 meters (14-1)!!

Arrrgh! The dreaded "No Height"!!

It's been a Rice specialty over the past decade.

Alarmingly so. I wonder if there's any systemic cause (coaching, preparation etc.) for these no-heights. Or just bad luck?

Drew Fucci is the multis coach. I think that Scott was ill advised to start so low. When you are capable of going over 17 feet, and are not used to the shorter pole, it can throw everything off. Being "safe" is not necessarily "smart" in the pole vault. Remember, you have different poles for different heights - you have only so much practice time because of the effort it takes in this event. If you are trying to improve, you are not going to spend lots of time on shorter poles. Hence, it's more of a gamble to have a "safe" clearance, because it just may not be a clearance. This is just my opinion.

But, keep in mind that Drew has done an excellent job in getting Scott to this point. I just don't like this decision.

(06-23-2017 05:55 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:43 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:40 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:34 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Arrrgh! The dreaded "No Height"!!

It's been a Rice specialty over the past decade.

Alarmingly so. I wonder if there's any systemic cause (coaching, preparation etc.) for these no-heights. Or just bad luck?

Drew Fucci is the multis coach. I think that Scott was ill advised to start so low. When you are capable of going over 17 feet, and are not used to the shorter pole, it can throw everything off. Being "safe" is not necessarily "smart" in the pole vault. Remember, you have different poles for different heights - you have only so much practice time because of the effort it takes in this event. If you are trying to improve, you are not going to spend lots of time on shorter poles. Hence, it's more of a gamble to have a "safe" clearance, because it just may not be a clearance. This is just my opinion.

(06-23-2017 06:16 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
But, keep in mind that Drew has done an excellent job in getting Scott to this point. I just don't like this decision.

Thanks for you view on this. I was not aware that vaulters use shorter poles for the lower heights. Why not use one pole and go way over the shorter heights?

(06-24-2017 12:54 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:55 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:43 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:40 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:34 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Arrrgh! The dreaded "No Height"!!

It's been a Rice specialty over the past decade.

Alarmingly so. I wonder if there's any systemic cause (coaching, preparation etc.) for these no-heights. Or just bad luck?

Drew Fucci is the multis coach. I think that Scott was ill advised to start so low. When you are capable of going over 17 feet, and are not used to the shorter pole, it can throw everything off. Being "safe" is not necessarily "smart" in the pole vault. Remember, you have different poles for different heights - you have only so much practice time because of the effort it takes in this event. If you are trying to improve, you are not going to spend lots of time on shorter poles. Hence, it's more of a gamble to have a "safe" clearance, because it just may not be a clearance. This is just my opinion.

(06-23-2017 06:16 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
But, keep in mind that Drew has done an excellent job in getting Scott to this point. I just don't like this decision.

Thanks for you view on this. I was not aware that vaulters use shorter poles for the lower heights. Why not use one pole and go way over the shorter heights?

Think in terms of parabolas, angles, etc. It's really all about math and physics.

(06-24-2017 01:01 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(06-24-2017 12:54 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:55 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:43 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:40 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  It's been a Rice specialty over the past decade.

Alarmingly so. I wonder if there's any systemic cause (coaching, preparation etc.) for these no-heights. Or just bad luck?

Drew Fucci is the multis coach. I think that Scott was ill advised to start so low. When you are capable of going over 17 feet, and are not used to the shorter pole, it can throw everything off. Being "safe" is not necessarily "smart" in the pole vault. Remember, you have different poles for different heights - you have only so much practice time because of the effort it takes in this event. If you are trying to improve, you are not going to spend lots of time on shorter poles. Hence, it's more of a gamble to have a "safe" clearance, because it just may not be a clearance. This is just my opinion.

(06-23-2017 06:16 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
But, keep in mind that Drew has done an excellent job in getting Scott to this point. I just don't like this decision.

Thanks for you view on this. I was not aware that vaulters use shorter poles for the lower heights. Why not use one pole and go way over the shorter heights?

Think in terms of parabolas, angles, etc. It's really all about math and physics.

I'm not familiar with the application of those math concepts in the pole vault ... but thinking about it some more, I could imagine that 1) a too-long pole might knock the bar off if it falls into the pit ... and perhaps 2) the vaulter's feet might knock a low bar off as he's rising toward a natural higher height (appropriate for that pole length) while transitioning from the lifting phase to the handstand as the loaded/bent pole begins to straighten. But it's been a long time since I've seen a box/standard view of a pole vault (i.e. Dale Spence's kinesiology class in 1969 or 1970. :-) )