(06-11-2017 10:36 AM)CRBPI8 Wrote:  I don't post on here much but I'm on here almost everyday reading. Sorry for starting a new thread for this because I feel this topic is like beating a dead horse. Aresco should really push for trying to get Boise, BYU, Airforce and either CSU or SDSU to join the American. You would kill the main competition for American and have a huge footprint and foundation to build off. In my opinion it would at least garner 7-9mil a team instead of the 4-6 most think we will get. You can strengthen Football and Basketball.

EAST:
USF
UCF
UConn
Temple
Navy (Football Only)
ECU
Cincy
Tulane
VCU (Basketball Only)

WEST:
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Memphis
Air Force (Football Only)
CSU (best choice in my opinion)
Boise
BYU
Wichita State (Basketball Only)

I know some of you like the idea of Army joining but I think they serve their purpose already by playing the Navy game every year and don't add much to the conference besides that 1 game. No offense to Army. I have much respect for them and the program.

I think if Aresco can convince this to the other programs, mainly Boise and BYU, you would have a true P6.

ESPN or whomever would save money not paying out a bigger contract to the MWC because it would be another CUSA type conference. They could reinvest in the new American and get us paid what we should be getting paid. BYU is tricky because I think they already get 5-7 mil a year from ESPN (don't quote me on that).

Thoughts?

Not feeling it. I would take Boise State & BYU in "Football Only" and VCU & another team to be named later in "Olympic Sports Only." I think that would have a better chance of getting a commensurate TV contract (I.e., $10M+) than the former ... JS

(06-13-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 07:30 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 12:19 AM)willhclark Wrote:  I like it but dont need wich st. or VCU
Army and SDSU make more sense.

Do we really need to be adding schools in California? I know we're not exactly a regional conference, but poo. Houston, SMU, and Tulsa are already in frontiers that aren't fully mapped yet.

who cares about regionality

cali is the 3rd best state for getting recruit, we are a league of potential and major markets .. sdsu has the potential and an elite bball team

the fan potential is there, they werent from 3k to 13k in bball atendance in a 10 year span when fisher came, the same can be done in football ..

we'd be the only conference in the big 3 major recruiting pipeline ..with the 4th state also in our league (ohio)

Because we don't make what the other P6 make, and that's a poo ton of travel. The SEC has shown that you don't have to be in a bunch of major markets. You just have to be good. That goes for eyeballs, recruits, whatever.

If what you're saying makes sense, then the Big 10, Big 12, ACC, and SEC would have teams in California.

As I posted in the other thread: Broke down by yearly progression

My long term AAC would be: 22 FB and 24 Olympic, with 18 be full

Would never happen, but every major market covered and recruiting areas, should/would need to earn 200 million a year( 10mil per full, 5mil per FB only and 2.5 per Olympic only)

Would end up:
EAST:
USF
UCF
ECU
UConn
Temple
Cincy
Northern Illinois
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa
VCU (Olympic Sports)
Dayton(Olympic Sports)
Saint Louis(Olympic Sports)
Army(Football Only)

WEST:
Houston
SMU
New Mexico
Air Force
CSU
BYU
UNLV
Boise
San Diego State
Wichita State (Olympic Sports)
Saint Mary's(Olympic Sports)
Gonzaga(Olympic Sports)
Navy(Football Only, they want to be West)

SMU and Houston don't want to be in the west

(06-13-2017 01:34 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 07:30 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 12:19 AM)willhclark Wrote:  I like it but dont need wich st. or VCU
Army and SDSU make more sense.

Do we really need to be adding schools in California? I know we're not exactly a regional conference, but poo. Houston, SMU, and Tulsa are already in frontiers that aren't fully mapped yet.

who cares about regionality

cali is the 3rd best state for getting recruit, we are a league of potential and major markets .. sdsu has the potential and an elite bball team

the fan potential is there, they werent from 3k to 13k in bball atendance in a 10 year span when fisher came, the same can be done in football ..

we'd be the only conference in the big 3 major recruiting pipeline ..with the 4th state also in our league (ohio)

Because we don't make what the other P6 make, and that's a poo ton of travel. The SEC has shown that you don't have to be in a bunch of major markets. You just have to be good. That goes for eyeballs, recruits, whatever.

If what you're saying makes sense, then the Big 10, Big 12, ACC, and SEC would have teams in California.

wichita went to the mwc first because they thought they had a better chance of invite there since their hoops needed help.

mwc never considered adding wichita because travel expenses were too much...that's a stupid mistake (the average mwc distance is shorter than the average aac distance from wichita)

to be successful you have to take a chance on yourself..that if we add these teams that we will get the money later on...play to win, or try to stall on losing like the MWC

also we arent the sec...and also every single team in the SEC control states, big states, we play by different rules than them...we cant play by the same rules as any of the p5
ole miss can say come play in the SEC..we dont have that privilege ..our major lines are come play at home..or we play in your home city every year..

and its not simply about winning NIU was doing 15k on a 11 win top 25 teams a few years ago...and couldnt recruit to save its life.....
boise is by far the winningest g5 in the nation in recent memory, and regularly gets out recruited by aac g5 in recruiting hot beds (ucf, usf, houston, cincy etc.)

(06-13-2017 02:56 PM)spenser Wrote:  As I posted in the other thread: Broke down by yearly progression

My long term AAC would be: 22 FB and 24 Olympic, with 18 be full

Would never happen, but every major market covered and recruiting areas, should/would need to earn 200 million a year( 10mil per full, 5mil per FB only and 2.5 per Olympic only)

Would end up:
EAST:
USF
UCF
ECU
UConn
Temple
Cincy
Northern Illinois
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa
VCU (Olympic Sports)
Dayton(Olympic Sports)
Saint Louis(Olympic Sports)
Army(Football Only)

WEST:
Houston
SMU
New Mexico
Air Force
CSU
BYU
UNLV
Boise
San Diego State
Wichita State (Olympic Sports)
Saint Mary's(Olympic Sports)
Gonzaga(Olympic Sports)
Navy(Football Only, they want to be West)

WAYY TOO MUCH!!!! We dont need that or close..remove saint louis, dayton, niu, new mexico, unlv, csu, st marys, vcu

thats 1/3 of your league and being honest, with or without those teams the value will still be around the same and dramatically less mouths to fed

(06-13-2017 04:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 02:56 PM)spenser Wrote:  As I posted in the other thread: Broke down by yearly progression

My long term AAC would be: 22 FB and 24 Olympic, with 18 be full

Would never happen, but every major market covered and recruiting areas, should/would need to earn 200 million a year( 10mil per full, 5mil per FB only and 2.5 per Olympic only)

Would end up:
EAST:
USF
UCF
ECU
UConn
Temple
Cincy
Northern Illinois
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa
VCU (Olympic Sports)
Dayton(Olympic Sports)
Saint Louis(Olympic Sports)
Army(Football Only)

WEST:
Houston
SMU
New Mexico
Air Force
CSU
BYU
UNLV
Boise
San Diego State
Wichita State (Olympic Sports)
Saint Mary's(Olympic Sports)
Gonzaga(Olympic Sports)
Navy(Football Only, they want to be West)

WAYY TOO MUCH!!!! We dont need that or close..remove saint louis, dayton, niu, new mexico, unlv, csu, st marys, vcu

thats 1/3 of your league and being honest, with or without those teams the value will still be around the same and dramatically less mouths to fed

But i liked it with NIU on there =*(

Can we make 1 exception?

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EAST: UConn, Temple, Cincy, ECU, UCF, USF, Tulane
WEST: Navy, Air Force, Army, Memphis, Tulsa, SMU, Houston

Affiliate with independents BYU and Hawaii for some OOC games and bowl lineup. BYU helps with the TV contract and bowl games; Hawaii gives you the 13th game and Week 0 benefits.

(06-13-2017 05:45 PM)YNot Wrote:  EAST: UConn, Temple, Cincy, ECU, UCF, USF, Tulane
WEST: Navy, Air Force, Army, Memphis, Tulsa, SMU, Houston

Affiliate with independents BYU and Hawaii for some OOC games and bowl lineup. BYU helps with the TV contract and bowl games; Hawaii gives you the 13th game and Week 0 benefits.

we will never do an affiliation with byu..hawaii brings nothing but hy travel expense, and any affilitation benefits byu way more than it benefits the AAC...

every single AAC team can schedule byu if we wanted, most of us have...ND's agreements work becuase ND its impossible to ge a home gam from ND otherwise, and byu struggles badly to get good bowl games .. youd only take our good bowl games, and its exremely unlikely that youd bring any good ones in

Army and BYU are essential to any P6 push by the AAC. For OOC scheduling, the B1G, SEC, and ACC consider the following "Power" schools:

B1G - BYU, Army, UConn, Cincy
SEC - BYU, Army
ACC - BYU

With formal affiliations with BYU and Army, the AAC could build on this narrative and point to the numerous other AAC home games hosting P5 opponents

BYU would bring at least to the AAC the Las Vegas Bowl v. the PAC. Even if BYU went to the Las Vegas Bowl every single year, it's all about perception and prestige. Would you rather the Las Vegas Bowl versus a PAC opponent *belong* to the AAC or the MWC?

Army would help make the Armed Forces Bowl an annual AAC bowl game against a P5 opponent (B1G or B12). Same perception issue. Two more annual bowl games against P5 opponents that are part of the *AAC* bowl lineup.

(06-13-2017 06:13 PM)YNot Wrote:  Army and BYU are essential to any P6 push by the AAC. For OOC scheduling, the B1G, SEC, and ACC consider the following "Power" schools:

B1G - BYU, Army, UConn, Cincy
SEC - BYU, Army
ACC - BYU

With formal affiliations with BYU and Army, the AAC could build on this narrative and point to the numerous other AAC home games hosting P5 opponents

every single aac would qualify for the p5 exception. those are the only official ones becuase those are the only games scheduled with teams that didnt have any other p5 on their schedule

(06-13-2017 06:16 PM)YNot Wrote:  BYU would bring at least to the AAC the Las Vegas Bowl v. the PAC. Even if BYU went to the Las Vegas Bowl every single year, it's all about perception and prestige. Would you rather the Las Vegas Bowl versus a PAC opponent *belong* to the AAC or the MWC?

Army would help make the Armed Forces Bowl an annual AAC bowl game against a P5 opponent (B1G or B12). Same perception issue. Two more annual bowl games against P5 opponents that are part of the *AAC* bowl lineup.

the mwc... i nor do i think the AAC cares about draining the mwc..we care about elevating us

and as long as unlv is part of the mwc, the mwc will always have a share of the vegas bowl ..
i don't care about the Vegas bowl that much, the pac 12 struggles to fill that bowl...

i have said this numerous times...an affiliation benefits byu more than it will ever benefit the AAC....
and byu is fighting to remain relevant...numerous people in power (who have seen the byu inner workings have said independence is unsustainable) ..if byu is pushed to the edge they will join the AAC...why would we help them off the edge

(06-13-2017 07:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 06:16 PM)YNot Wrote:  BYU would bring at least to the AAC the Las Vegas Bowl v. the PAC. Even if BYU went to the Las Vegas Bowl every single year, it's all about perception and prestige. Would you rather the Las Vegas Bowl versus a PAC opponent *belong* to the AAC or the MWC?

Army would help make the Armed Forces Bowl an annual AAC bowl game against a P5 opponent (B1G or B12). Same perception issue. Two more annual bowl games against P5 opponents that are part of the *AAC* bowl lineup.

the mwc... i nor do i think the AAC cares about draining the mwc..we care about elevating us

and as long as unlv is part of the mwc, the mwc will always have a share of the vegas bowl ..
i dont care about the vegas bowl, the pac 12 struggles to fill that bowl...

i have said this numerous times...an affiliation benefits byu more that it will ever benefit the AAC....
and byu is fighting to remain relevant...numerous people in power (who have seen the byu inner working have said independence is unsustainable) ..if byu is pushed to the edge they will join the AAC...why would we help them off the edge

Agree with you 100%. BYU can join the AAC on the AAC's terms. No special affiliations.

(06-13-2017 04:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 01:34 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 07:30 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 12:19 AM)willhclark Wrote:  I like it but dont need wich st. or VCU
Army and SDSU make more sense.

Do we really need to be adding schools in California? I know we're not exactly a regional conference, but poo. Houston, SMU, and Tulsa are already in frontiers that aren't fully mapped yet.

who cares about regionality

cali is the 3rd best state for getting recruit, we are a league of potential and major markets .. sdsu has the potential and an elite bball team

the fan potential is there, they werent from 3k to 13k in bball atendance in a 10 year span when fisher came, the same can be done in football ..

we'd be the only conference in the big 3 major recruiting pipeline ..with the 4th state also in our league (ohio)

Because we don't make what the other P6 make, and that's a poo ton of travel. The SEC has shown that you don't have to be in a bunch of major markets. You just have to be good. That goes for eyeballs, recruits, whatever.

If what you're saying makes sense, then the Big 10, Big 12, ACC, and SEC would have teams in California.

wichita went to the mwc first because they thought they had a better chance of invite there since their hoops needed help.

mwc never considered adding wichita because travel expenses were too much...that's a stupid mistake (the average mwc distance is shorter than the average aac distance from wichita)

to be successful you have to take a chance on yourself..that if we add these teams that we will get the money later on...play to win, or try to stall on losing like the MWC

also we arent the sec...and also every single team in the SEC control states, big states, we play by different rules than them...we cant play by the same rules as any of the p5
ole miss can say come play in the SEC..we dont have that privilege ..our major lines are come play at home..or we play in your home city every year..

and its not simply about winning NIU was doing 15k on a 11 win top 25 teams a few years ago...and couldnt recruit to save its life.....
boise is by far the winningest g5 in the nation in recent memory, and regularly gets out recruited by aac g5 in recruiting hot beds (ucf, usf, houston, cincy etc.)

1) Sand Diego to Kansas is not the same distance as San Diego to Connecticut.
2) Do you think the SEC started controlling states by making their cities bigger, or by being really good at football?
3) NIU is not consistently good. Boise is, but the rest of their conference is not.

What the SEC has going for them is that Vanderbilt could probably beat (or at least hang with) our best team right now. If the AAC, as a whole, top to bottom, can compete with the other top conferences year in and year out, then recruiting/money/women/cakes and other treats will come.

The catch-22 is that you need to be good to make money, and (to a certain extent) need money to get good. So do what you can control. Go write your athletic department a check and stop waiting for us to expand to 22 football teams.

(06-14-2017 07:34 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 04:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 01:34 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 07:30 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Do we really need to be adding schools in California? I know we're not exactly a regional conference, but poo. Houston, SMU, and Tulsa are already in frontiers that aren't fully mapped yet.

who cares about regionality

cali is the 3rd best state for getting recruit, we are a league of potential and major markets .. sdsu has the potential and an elite bball team

the fan potential is there, they werent from 3k to 13k in bball atendance in a 10 year span when fisher came, the same can be done in football ..

we'd be the only conference in the big 3 major recruiting pipeline ..with the 4th state also in our league (ohio)

Because we don't make what the other P6 make, and that's a poo ton of travel. The SEC has shown that you don't have to be in a bunch of major markets. You just have to be good. That goes for eyeballs, recruits, whatever.

If what you're saying makes sense, then the Big 10, Big 12, ACC, and SEC would have teams in California.

wichita went to the mwc first because they thought they had a better chance of invite there since their hoops needed help.

mwc never considered adding wichita because travel expenses were too much...that's a stupid mistake (the average mwc distance is shorter than the average aac distance from wichita)

to be successful you have to take a chance on yourself..that if we add these teams that we will get the money later on...play to win, or try to stall on losing like the MWC

also we arent the sec...and also every single team in the SEC control states, big states, we play by different rules than them...we cant play by the same rules as any of the p5
ole miss can say come play in the SEC..we dont have that privilege ..our major lines are come play at home..or we play in your home city every year..

and its not simply about winning NIU was doing 15k on a 11 win top 25 teams a few years ago...and couldnt recruit to save its life.....
boise is by far the winningest g5 in the nation in recent memory, and regularly gets out recruited by aac g5 in recruiting hot beds (ucf, usf, houston, cincy etc.)

1) Sand Diego to Kansas is not the same distance as San Diego to Connecticut.
2) Do you think the SEC started controlling states by making their cities bigger, or by being really good at football?
3) NIU is not consistently good. Boise is, but the rest of their conference is not.

What the SEC has going for them is that Vanderbilt could probably beat (or at least hang with) our best team right now. If the AAC, as a whole, top to bottom, can compete with the other top conferences year in and year out, then recruiting/money/women/cakes and other treats will come.

The catch-22 is that you need to be good to make money, and (to a certain extent) need money to get good. So do what you can control. Go write your athletic department a check and stop waiting for us to expand to 22 football teams.

if we had a team with amazing upward potential that was on the east coast theyd already be in the AAC..

passing on teams with elite potential makes no sense ..we arent the sec ..we have to prove ourself (thus need to get teams who can prove themselves).. not including tulsa, navy and maybe uconn.everyone in the aac developed correctly can out recruit most p5 if we continue to grow

if we added sdsu today in the mist of the next 5 years they vastly benefited off our exposure, we got more money from the tv deal, had access letimate access to the playoff. in lets say 10 years from their addition, i wouldnt be shocked if they had a top 15 national recruiting class (from their recruiting grounds).. in that same scenerio i cant see n any othe non aac g5 ever getting a top 15 class (including boise)

and you act like sdsu and Connecticut would play every year... in the SEC and the ACC, teams in each dvison play like once every 6/7 years.....unc/wake considered doing an OOC becasue they barely ever played..florida and auburn played twice in the last 15 years ,

(06-13-2017 08:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Agree with you 100%. BYU can join the AAC on the AAC's terms. No special affiliations.

BYU and the AAC already had a "quasi-affiliation." That's a quote directly from Aresco's mouth - not a message board. 2014 had three BYU-AAC games, plus the Miami Beach Brawl. 2015 again had three BYU-AAC games. They have mostly staged exciting and competitive games that attract pretty good attendance and TV ratings (except for the Miami Beach fiasco on a pre-Christmas Monday afternoon....).

Both the AAC and BYU would be elevated with continued affiliation. However, there are too few games. 2016 only had the BYU @ Cincy game. 2017 only has the BYU @ ECU game. Only remaining BYU-AAC games are BYU-USF series for '21 and '22.

(06-13-2017 07:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  the mwc... i nor do i think the AAC cares about draining the mwc..we care about elevating us

and as long as unlv is part of the mwc, the mwc will always have a share of the vegas bowl ..
i don't care about the Vegas bowl that much, the pac 12 struggles to fill that bowl...

i have said this numerous times...an affiliation benefits byu more than it will ever benefit the AAC....
and byu is fighting to remain relevant...numerous people in power (who have seen the byu inner workings have said independence is unsustainable) ..if byu is pushed to the edge they will join the AAC...why would we help them off the edge

How is the AAC hurt if the Las Vegas Bowl switches from PAC v. MWC to PAC v. AAC or BYU? How is the AAC hurt if the Armed Forces Bowl switches from a biannual B1G/B12 v. AAC matchup to an *annual* B1G/B12 v. AAC or BYU matchup?

Seems to me that the AAC would be elevated.

I would love a BYU/Boise State football-only add balanced by VCU and Dayton. The problem is, none of those schools will be compelled to jump unless we have a network ready to give them significant pay raises to make it happen.

(06-14-2017 11:28 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 07:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  the mwc... i nor do i think the AAC cares about draining the mwc..we care about elevating us

and as long as unlv is part of the mwc, the mwc will always have a share of the vegas bowl ..
i don't care about the Vegas bowl that much, the pac 12 struggles to fill that bowl...

i have said this numerous times...an affiliation benefits byu more than it will ever benefit the AAC....
and byu is fighting to remain relevant...numerous people in power (who have seen the byu inner workings have said independence is unsustainable) ..if byu is pushed to the edge they will join the AAC...why would we help them off the edge

How is the AAC hurt if the Las Vegas Bowl switches from PAC v. MWC to PAC v. AAC or BYU? How is the AAC hurt if the Armed Forces Bowl switches from a biannual B1G/B12 v. AAC matchup to an *annual* B1G/B12 v. AAC or BYU matchup?

Seems to me that the AAC would be elevated.

byu has no influnece what so ever in the armed forces bowl...and unlv has big ties to the vegas bowl..it will never not be part mwc in some extent

if byu had better bowl pull youd be playing in them..

now i ask you questions..would it hurt the aac to add byu as a full member?... ig byu's indpence fails, byu is coming ot he AAC..why would we help byu make Independence sustainable ...