Yeah Baylor and West Virginia arent going to the Pac 12.

(06-18-2017 10:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The only way Boise is getting in the Pac is if it becomes the University of Idaho at Boise. And even that guarantees nothing.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho together and you still wouldn't have an obvious Pac-12 addition.

(06-19-2017 11:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 08:52 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What about the Big 12 adding 6 Pac-12 teams?

Honestly, a near merger of the 2 conferences would be the answer to the issues of both conferences. The Big12 gets their illusive network. The Pac12 gets a large enough footprint to make their 100% owned Pac12 network work.

It would probably be a more of a semi-"merger" like the SWC/Big8 merger where some schools don't make the cut. It would either be a few Pac-12 schools that get left out or a few Big 12 schools that get left out. Given that each Pac12 schools has an ownership interest in the Pac12 Network, its probably going to require that 4 Big12 teams get left out in order to keep the numbers manageable. Such a merger creates the first 18 school super conference (skips right over the 16 school barrier), covers the entire country west of the Mississippi, and creates the long predicted 4-power conference scenario.

They have actually discussed an *affiliation* involving networks and schedules. They both already have the FOX/ESPN alignment and need network help. A structural conference merger would not happen, but the PAC and Big 12 could share some inventory and perhaps have an annual alignment for OOC football and basketball games. Regional Big-PAC networks for Texas (incorporating LHN?) and Oklahoma/Kansas/Iowa/WV.

(06-19-2017 01:08 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 10:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The only way Boise is getting in the Pac is if it becomes the University of Idaho at Boise. And even that guarantees nothing.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho together and you still wouldn't have an obvious Pac-12 addition.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho and Washington St. together, and you still wouldn't have an obvious PAC 12 addition.

As to a PAC-12 BIG XII merger: the Big XII grabs CU, Utah and the Arizona schools.

(06-19-2017 01:17 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 08:52 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What about the Big 12 adding 6 Pac-12 teams?

Honestly, a near merger of the 2 conferences would be the answer to the issues of both conferences. The Big12 gets their illusive network. The Pac12 gets a large enough footprint to make their 100% owned Pac12 network work.

It would probably be a more of a semi-"merger" like the SWC/Big8 merger where some schools don't make the cut. It would either be a few Pac-12 schools that get left out or a few Big 12 schools that get left out. Given that each Pac12 schools has an ownership interest in the Pac12 Network, its probably going to require that 4 Big12 teams get left out in order to keep the numbers manageable. Such a merger creates the first 18 school super conference (skips right over the 16 school barrier), covers the entire country west of the Mississippi, and creates the long predicted 4-power conference scenario.

They have actually discussed an *affiliation* involving networks and schedules. They both already have the FOX/ESPN alignment and need network help. A structural conference merger would not happen, but the PAC and Big 12 could share some inventory and perhaps have an annual alignment for OOC football and basketball games. Regional Big-PAC networks for Texas (incorporating LHN?) and Oklahoma/Kansas/Iowa/WV.

Iowa St I think you meant. Not Iowa.

(06-19-2017 01:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:08 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 10:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The only way Boise is getting in the Pac is if it becomes the University of Idaho at Boise. And even that guarantees nothing.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho together and you still wouldn't have an obvious Pac-12 addition.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho and Washington St. together, and you still wouldn't have an obvious PAC 12 addition.

WSU and OSU certainly benefited from getting grandfathered into the Pac-8 if that's what you're trying to say. Idaho and Montana weren't so lucky (didn't have an in-state school helping them out).

WSU is making great strides academically right now though with the addition of a Medical School, some thriving satellite campuses in Vancouver and Spokane, and approaching a near $1 billion endowment. They ain't Stanford or UW but I don't think you could find 12 schools that fit the Pac-12 mold better out west.

(06-19-2017 02:24 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:08 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 10:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The only way Boise is getting in the Pac is if it becomes the University of Idaho at Boise. And even that guarantees nothing.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho together and you still wouldn't have an obvious Pac-12 addition.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho and Washington St. together, and you still wouldn't have an obvious PAC 12 addition.

WSU and OSU certainly benefited from getting grandfathered into the Pac-8 if that's what you're trying to say. Idaho and Montana weren't so lucky (didn't have an in-state school helping them out).

WSU is making great strides academically right now though with the addition of a Medical School, some thriving satellite campuses in Vancouver and Spokane, and approaching a near $1 billion endowment. They ain't Stanford or UW but I don't think you could find 12 schools that fit the Pac-12 mold better out west.

I'd take Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico, Nevada and San Diego St over Oregon St myself. Oregon St used to have a pretty good wrestling team though...Don't know if Jim Zaleski is still there are not but he was pretty cool when I went to one of his wrestling camps 25 years ago...(when he was HC at Iowa)

(06-19-2017 02:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:17 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 08:52 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What about the Big 12 adding 6 Pac-12 teams?

Honestly, a near merger of the 2 conferences would be the answer to the issues of both conferences. The Big12 gets their illusive network. The Pac12 gets a large enough footprint to make their 100% owned Pac12 network work.

It would probably be a more of a semi-"merger" like the SWC/Big8 merger where some schools don't make the cut. It would either be a few Pac-12 schools that get left out or a few Big 12 schools that get left out. Given that each Pac12 schools has an ownership interest in the Pac12 Network, its probably going to require that 4 Big12 teams get left out in order to keep the numbers manageable. Such a merger creates the first 18 school super conference (skips right over the 16 school barrier), covers the entire country west of the Mississippi, and creates the long predicted 4-power conference scenario.

They have actually discussed an *affiliation* involving networks and schedules. They both already have the FOX/ESPN alignment and need network help. A structural conference merger would not happen, but the PAC and Big 12 could share some inventory and perhaps have an annual alignment for OOC football and basketball games. Regional Big-PAC networks for Texas (incorporating LHN?) and Oklahoma/Kansas/Iowa/WV.

Iowa St I think you meant. Not Iowa.

Iowa the state.

(06-19-2017 02:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:24 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:08 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 10:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The only way Boise is getting in the Pac is if it becomes the University of Idaho at Boise. And even that guarantees nothing.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho together and you still wouldn't have an obvious Pac-12 addition.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho and Washington St. together, and you still wouldn't have an obvious PAC 12 addition.

WSU and OSU certainly benefited from getting grandfathered into the Pac-8 if that's what you're trying to say. Idaho and Montana weren't so lucky (didn't have an in-state school helping them out).

WSU is making great strides academically right now though with the addition of a Medical School, some thriving satellite campuses in Vancouver and Spokane, and approaching a near $1 billion endowment. They ain't Stanford or UW but I don't think you could find 12 schools that fit the Pac-12 mold better out west.

I'd take Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico, Nevada and San Diego St over Oregon St myself. Oregon St used to have a pretty good wrestling team though...Don't know if Jim Zaleski is still there are not but he was pretty cool when I went to one of his wrestling camps 25 years ago...(when he was HC at Iowa)

Baseball is a thing too. I hear OSU is pretty good there. Nevada and Hawaii aren't even in the conversation IMO. CSU, UNM, and SDSU might (big might) fit in the Big 12 but their combined endowments only put them over OSU and ASU in the Pac-12. I don't see it.

(06-19-2017 03:38 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:24 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:08 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho together and you still wouldn't have an obvious Pac-12 addition.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho and Washington St. together, and you still wouldn't have an obvious PAC 12 addition.

WSU and OSU certainly benefited from getting grandfathered into the Pac-8 if that's what you're trying to say. Idaho and Montana weren't so lucky (didn't have an in-state school helping them out).

WSU is making great strides academically right now though with the addition of a Medical School, some thriving satellite campuses in Vancouver and Spokane, and approaching a near $1 billion endowment. They ain't Stanford or UW but I don't think you could find 12 schools that fit the Pac-12 mold better out west.

I'd take Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico, Nevada and San Diego St over Oregon St myself. Oregon St used to have a pretty good wrestling team though...Don't know if Jim Zaleski is still there are not but he was pretty cool when I went to one of his wrestling camps 25 years ago...(when he was HC at Iowa)

Baseball is a thing too. I hear OSU is pretty good there. Nevada and Hawaii aren't even in the conversation IMO. CSU, UNM, and SDSU might (big might) fit in the Big 12 but their combined endowments only put them over OSU and ASU in the Pac-12. I don't see it.

As a Boise St fan - of course we're PAC material!!! Our blue turf should've locked us in years ago lol

Honestly, I would love to be in the PAC but I don't believe it is a reasonable business decision for the PAC unless, either or combination of: a) the PAC looses a few schools to the B1G, b) Boise St gets a nod from fellow ESPN child Texas in a deal for the Longhorns to head West, c) the PAC decides they want representation in contiguous states, d) Boise St goes nuts over the next 5 years in football and basketball, or e) the metropolis of Boise booms in population to at least the top 50.

I believe a reasonable expectation for Boise St (at least for now) is to stay in a conference between the power conferences and the entry-level conferences OR get an invite as a football-only to the American and move all non-power sports to the Big West like we were going to do - I was highly in favor.

If I'm the PAC and I realize that I can't get any of the XII schools but I feel the urgency to expand to, say, 16, I'm going with 4 of: Hawaii, San Diego St, UNLV, New Mexico, and Colorado St.

(06-19-2017 03:07 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:17 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 08:52 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What about the Big 12 adding 6 Pac-12 teams?

Honestly, a near merger of the 2 conferences would be the answer to the issues of both conferences. The Big12 gets their illusive network. The Pac12 gets a large enough footprint to make their 100% owned Pac12 network work.

It would probably be a more of a semi-"merger" like the SWC/Big8 merger where some schools don't make the cut. It would either be a few Pac-12 schools that get left out or a few Big 12 schools that get left out. Given that each Pac12 schools has an ownership interest in the Pac12 Network, its probably going to require that 4 Big12 teams get left out in order to keep the numbers manageable. Such a merger creates the first 18 school super conference (skips right over the 16 school barrier), covers the entire country west of the Mississippi, and creates the long predicted 4-power conference scenario.

They have actually discussed an *affiliation* involving networks and schedules. They both already have the FOX/ESPN alignment and need network help. A structural conference merger would not happen, but the PAC and Big 12 could share some inventory and perhaps have an annual alignment for OOC football and basketball games. Regional Big-PAC networks for Texas (incorporating LHN?) and Oklahoma/Kansas/Iowa/WV.

Iowa St I think you meant. Not Iowa.

Iowa the state.

So not Iowa State. Not Iowa. The state of Iowa?

(06-19-2017 02:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:24 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:08 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 10:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The only way Boise is getting in the Pac is if it becomes the University of Idaho at Boise. And even that guarantees nothing.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho together and you still wouldn't have an obvious Pac-12 addition.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho and Washington St. together, and you still wouldn't have an obvious PAC 12 addition.

WSU and OSU certainly benefited from getting grandfathered into the Pac-8 if that's what you're trying to say. Idaho and Montana weren't so lucky (didn't have an in-state school helping them out).

WSU is making great strides academically right now though with the addition of a Medical School, some thriving satellite campuses in Vancouver and Spokane, and approaching a near $1 billion endowment. They ain't Stanford or UW but I don't think you could find 12 schools that fit the Pac-12 mold better out west.

I'd take Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico, Nevada and San Diego St over Oregon St myself. Oregon St used to have a pretty good wrestling team though...Don't know if Jim Zaleski is still there are not but he was pretty cool when I went to one of his wrestling camps 25 years ago...(when he was HC at Iowa)

Let's see. Oregon State academically actually excels in quite a few areas, which is, for instance, the reason why NOAA actually chose Newport, Oregon for one of their major outliers. They also excel in Agriculture, and have an excellent Engineering school.

Now, Athletically, OSU has had National Championships. Gymnastics (placed 6th in Nation), Baseball (#1 seed in NCAA Tournament, currently in CWS), Wrestling, and a few other sports they excel at year after year. Their 2017 Baseball team got the #1 overall seed in the NCAA Baseball Tournament. They're building back up their Football and Basketball programs, and made the NCAA Mens Basketball Tournament. Their Women's Basketball team posted a 31-5 record, and went to the Sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament.

So, there you have it.

(06-19-2017 02:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:24 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:08 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 10:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The only way Boise is getting in the Pac is if it becomes the University of Idaho at Boise. And even that guarantees nothing.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho together and you still wouldn't have an obvious Pac-12 addition.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho and Washington St. together, and you still wouldn't have an obvious PAC 12 addition.

WSU and OSU certainly benefited from getting grandfathered into the Pac-8 if that's what you're trying to say. Idaho and Montana weren't so lucky (didn't have an in-state school helping them out).

WSU is making great strides academically right now though with the addition of a Medical School, some thriving satellite campuses in Vancouver and Spokane, and approaching a near $1 billion endowment. They ain't Stanford or UW but I don't think you could find 12 schools that fit the Pac-12 mold better out west.

I'd take Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico, Nevada and San Diego St over Oregon St myself. Oregon St used to have a pretty good wrestling team though...Don't know if Jim Zaleski is still there are not but he was pretty cool when I went to one of his wrestling camps 25 years ago...(when he was HC at Iowa)

Nevada? Really? At least OSU is already established in the Pac.

(06-19-2017 07:23 PM)dunstvangeet Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:24 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:08 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho together and you still wouldn't have an obvious Pac-12 addition.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho and Washington St. together, and you still wouldn't have an obvious PAC 12 addition.

WSU and OSU certainly benefited from getting grandfathered into the Pac-8 if that's what you're trying to say. Idaho and Montana weren't so lucky (didn't have an in-state school helping them out).

WSU is making great strides academically right now though with the addition of a Medical School, some thriving satellite campuses in Vancouver and Spokane, and approaching a near $1 billion endowment. They ain't Stanford or UW but I don't think you could find 12 schools that fit the Pac-12 mold better out west.

I'd take Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico, Nevada and San Diego St over Oregon St myself. Oregon St used to have a pretty good wrestling team though...Don't know if Jim Zaleski is still there are not but he was pretty cool when I went to one of his wrestling camps 25 years ago...(when he was HC at Iowa)

Let's see. Oregon State academically actually excels in quite a few areas, which is, for instance, the reason why NOAA actually chose Newport, Oregon for one of their major outliers. They also excel in Agriculture, and have an excellent Engineering school.

Now, Athletically, OSU has had National Championships. Gymnastics (placed 6th in Nation), Baseball (#1 seed in NCAA Tournament, currently in CWS), Wrestling, and a few other sports they excel at year after year. Their 2017 Baseball team got the #1 overall seed in the NCAA Baseball Tournament. They're building back up their Football and Basketball programs, and made the NCAA Mens Basketball Tournament. Their Women's Basketball team posted a 31-5 record, and went to the Sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament.

So, there you have it.

Oregon St made the NCAA tournament last year? Wow...i missed that somehow

(06-19-2017 02:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I'd take Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico, Nevada and San Diego St over Oregon St myself. Oregon St used to have a pretty good wrestling team though...Don't know if Jim Zaleski is still there are not but he was pretty cool when I went to one of his wrestling camps 25 years ago...(when he was HC at Iowa)

Nevada? Really? At least OSU is already established in the Pac.

(06-19-2017 07:54 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:24 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:08 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho together and you still wouldn't have an obvious Pac-12 addition.

You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho and Washington St. together, and you still wouldn't have an obvious PAC 12 addition.

WSU and OSU certainly benefited from getting grandfathered into the Pac-8 if that's what you're trying to say. Idaho and Montana weren't so lucky (didn't have an in-state school helping them out).

WSU is making great strides academically right now though with the addition of a Medical School, some thriving satellite campuses in Vancouver and Spokane, and approaching a near $1 billion endowment. They ain't Stanford or UW but I don't think you could find 12 schools that fit the Pac-12 mold better out west.

I'd take Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico, Nevada and San Diego St over Oregon St myself. Oregon St used to have a pretty good wrestling team though...Don't know if Jim Zaleski is still there are not but he was pretty cool when I went to one of his wrestling camps 25 years ago...(when he was HC at Iowa)

Nevada? Really? At least OSU is already established in the Pac.

I think that area close to Nevada's campus is beautiful. Closer to Tahoe is some of the prettiest country ever. I think Nevada is a school that could really take off athletically speaking too..Nevada reminds me more of the South or Midwest than California. It's pretty cool. I love Washington, but I admit I don't like Oregon for some reason.... No offense to my Aunt and cousins in Portland, I just find the state rather unfriendly.

(06-19-2017 07:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 07:23 PM)dunstvangeet Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:24 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 01:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  You could completely merge the three D1 schools in Idaho and Washington St. together, and you still wouldn't have an obvious PAC 12 addition.

WSU and OSU certainly benefited from getting grandfathered into the Pac-8 if that's what you're trying to say. Idaho and Montana weren't so lucky (didn't have an in-state school helping them out).

WSU is making great strides academically right now though with the addition of a Medical School, some thriving satellite campuses in Vancouver and Spokane, and approaching a near $1 billion endowment. They ain't Stanford or UW but I don't think you could find 12 schools that fit the Pac-12 mold better out west.

I'd take Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico, Nevada and San Diego St over Oregon St myself. Oregon St used to have a pretty good wrestling team though...Don't know if Jim Zaleski is still there are not but he was pretty cool when I went to one of his wrestling camps 25 years ago...(when he was HC at Iowa)

Let's see. Oregon State academically actually excels in quite a few areas, which is, for instance, the reason why NOAA actually chose Newport, Oregon for one of their major outliers. They also excel in Agriculture, and have an excellent Engineering school.

Now, Athletically, OSU has had National Championships. Gymnastics (placed 6th in Nation), Baseball (#1 seed in NCAA Tournament, currently in CWS), Wrestling, and a few other sports they excel at year after year. Their 2017 Baseball team got the #1 overall seed in the NCAA Baseball Tournament. They're building back up their Football and Basketball programs, and made the NCAA Mens Basketball Tournament. Their Women's Basketball team posted a 31-5 record, and went to the Sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament.

So, there you have it.

Oregon St made the NCAA tournament last year? Wow...i missed that somehow

2016 NCAA Basketball Tournament - #7 seed in the West Regional. Lost to VCU in the 1st Round 67-75. But OSU used to be a Basketball Powerhouse under the Ralph Miller era. A.C. Green and Gary Payton came from OSU. (We recently graduated Gary Payton's son, Gary Payton II).

I remember Gary Payton-Sonics' point guard with an attitude. But make no mistake,he was a darn good basketball player. Even though I am a fan of your longtime rival, dunstvangeet, I do admire some of the things your Beavers have accomplished over the years. Why couldn't you guys hang onto Erickson though? Would you take him back if your current coach bolted?

(06-20-2017 03:27 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I remember Gary Payton-Sonics' point guard with an attitude. But make no mistake,he was a darn good basketball player. Even though I am a fan of your longtime rival, dunstvangeet, I do admire some of the things your Beavers have accomplished over the years. Why couldn't you guys hang onto Erickson though? Would you take him back if your current coach bolted?

The problem with Dennis Erickson was that he wasn't really a recruiter. He won 1 year with basically a bunch of Riley recruits. There were a few J.C. recruits that Erickson brought in. And after he left for Seattle, he left certain positions, like the line, pretty bare. He's also not stayed any where for more than a few years. So, I'm not sure how well he'd do building a long-term program and sustaining success. He did the same thing at Miami that he did to Oregon State.

Riley was a great recruiter and a great coach, but it was time for him to move on. I like Anderson right now, and he's doing a good job in rebuilding the program with his guys.

I also wish that the Beavers would bring back Mens Track. We are the school of the Fosbury Flop.