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Southern Miss will not be remaining in CDOA in its present form due to geography and its oveerall lack of interest now by the USM fans. Another primary reason is travel cost and it simply makes sense that sending our teams to South Alabama in Mobile or ULL in Lafayette is considerably less than trips to UTEP or the south Florida schools. Winning or losing to any teams in the mix is all the same, actually makes no difference in the overall national scheme of things.

This is strictly a business move and should work well for all until the last big "shakeup" occurs. Nothing against or for any team anywhere and here is the facts:

1. No one wants nor will there be any attempts to "kick anyone out". This will be a simple withdrawal by any team that wants to join the new mix.

2. There will be only a nominal entry fee, just enough to establish the new league and get its feet on the ground. There will be NO exit fees or advance notice for those who want to or can move on in the future.

3. The core schools joining USM could be ULL, ULM, South Ala, Troy, UAB, Ark State, La Tech and perhaps McNeese State or Rice or both. Who might win or who wont win any national championship has nothing to do with this, its travel expenses only.

NCAA basketball credits will be gone but that means very little since it is spread out so thinly under our current set up. Should be no problem in lining up bowl games, reminants of cdoa would not be competitive in that respect.

Everyone has seen that ULM has a blank OCC schedule after next couple of years, wonder if they have already decided.

Who wants aboard?
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No one outside the Belt and CUSA
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(06-10-2017 09:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  No one outside the Belt and CUSA

You are absolutely correct there, never expected anyone else. Probably some i n the Southland but they are not on the radar.
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Lousiana Tech categorically refuses to be in a conference with ULM.

The primary issue for anyone leaving the SBC or C-USA is the revenue from the CFP. Unless if you have enough schools depart to make either the SBC or C-USA no longer viable as a FBS conference, and therefore replace them as a party to the CFP contract, then no new FBS conference will be formed. This would be difficult to pull off, as even if 10 schools left C-USA, C-USA just invites New Mexico State and Liberty to get to six, then two of Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State, James Madison, and Missouri State to get back to the FBS minimum of eight.
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(06-10-2017 08:55 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  3. The core schools joining USM could be ULL, ULM, South Ala, Troy, UAB, Ark State, La Tech and perhaps McNeese State or Rice or both. Who might win or who wont win any national championship has nothing to do with this, its travel expenses only.

Who wants aboard?

Doubt that Rice would be interested in being the westernmost program in this line-up. We have a good thing going with UTSA, and North Texas, and we have been with UTEP now longer than any other C-USA member.

You could mostly accomplish this by withdrawing from C-USA and joining the Sunbelt. I expect Texas State would ask to join C-USA if USM withdraws. Would Louisiana Lafayette?
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Future CUSA
NORTH
Marshall
James Madison
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
SOUTH
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
FIU
UAB

This covers the Southeast population growth that goes from I-85 from Virginia all the way down to Birmingham. Plus I-95 from D.C. all the way to South Florida. They would have media markets of Tidewater VA, Charlotte, Myrtle Beach, Atlanta, Savannah, Birmingham, Boca Raton, and Miami. Plus this would be a really regional conference.

Future Sun Belt
WKU
Middle Tennessee
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Louisiana
ULM
Louisiana Tech
Arkansas State
Missouri State
Rice
Texas State
UTSA
North Texas

Sun Belt will be the Deep South/Texas/Gulf Coast/Mississippi River Conference. This will include the Deep South/Texas markers of Mobile, Little Rock, New Orleans, Shreveport, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, and Dallas/Ft Worth.
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This would have to wait until the next CFP contract, but if you wanted to cut down on travel costs:

WAC
NMSU, UTEP, Texas State, UTSA, Rice, North Texas, Louisiana, ULM

Obviously all of the WAC's non-football members have to be relocated, but between the Big West, WCC, Big Sky, and Summit, that shouldn't be too hard. UTRGV probably stays behind and upgrades to FBS. UMKC would actually not be that far out of place if they can't be relocated.

Big South
Liberty, Marshall, WKU, MTSU, App State, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Coastal Carolina

The Big South, on paper at least, balloons to 17 schools, but it won't stay that way for long.

Sun Belt
Lousiana Tech, Arkansas State, Southern Miss, South Alabama, UAB, Troy, Georgia Southern, Georgia State

The five remaining Sun Belt schools are basically able to offer a conference without FAU and FIU, which is more than enough for Louisiana Tech and Southern Miss. The Sun Belt is able to hold on to Little Rock and Texas-Arlington.

C-USA

When C-USA got down to five schools, it took the Atlantic Sun's four Florida schools to kept itself afloat. After Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, and UAB depart, pushing the conference back down to six schools, it turns its eyes on the original Big South. Winthrop, Presbyterian, and Charleston Southern leave, dropping the Big South to 14 schools and getting C-USA up to 9 members. It also lands USC Upstate to get to 10 members. FAU and FIU play as FBS independents.

FAU, FIU, FGCU, Stetson, Jacksonville, North Florida, USC Upstate, Winthrop, Presbyterian, Charleston Southern

Atlantic Sun

The Atlantic Sun, having lost all of its Florida members and USC Upstate, winds up taking the remaining non-FBS members of the Big South. Monmouth, Charleston Southern, and Presbyterian
Join as football affiliates.

Lipscomb, North Alabama, Kennesaw State, NJIT, UNC-Asheville, Gardner Webb, High Point, Campbell, Radford, Longwood
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(06-10-2017 08:55 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  Southern Miss will not be remaining in CDOA in its present form due to geography and its oveerall lack of interest now by the USM fans. Another primary reason is travel cost and it simply makes sense that sending our teams to South Alabama in Mobile or ULL in Lafayette is considerably less than trips to UTEP or the south Florida schools. Winning or losing to any teams in the mix is all the same, actually makes no difference in the overall national scheme of things.

This is strictly a business move and should work well for all until the last big "shakeup" occurs. Nothing against or for any team anywhere and here is the facts:

1. No one wants nor will there be any attempts to "kick anyone out". This will be a simple withdrawal by any team that wants to join the new mix.

2. There will be only a nominal entry fee, just enough to establish the new league and get its feet on the ground. There will be NO exit fees or advance notice for those who want to or can move on in the future.

3. The core schools joining USM could be ULL, ULM, South Ala, Troy, UAB, Ark State, La Tech and perhaps McNeese State or Rice or both. Who might win or who wont win any national championship has nothing to do with this, its travel expenses only.

NCAA basketball credits will be gone but that means very little since it is spread out so thinly under our current set up. Should be no problem in lining up bowl games, reminants of cdoa would not be competitive in that respect.

Everyone has seen that ULM has a blank OCC schedule after next couple of years, wonder if they have already decided.

Who wants aboard?

If you split the CUSA/SB 12 and 12, USM is in the western 12-UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, La Tech, USM, UAB, TX St., ULL, ULM, Ark. St. and USA. Marshall, MTSU, WKU, UNCC, ODU, FIU, FAU, GSU, Ga St., Troy, App. St., Coastal Carolina.
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(06-10-2017 11:35 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  This would have to wait until the next CFP contract, but if you wanted to cut down on travel costs:

WAC
NMSU, UTEP, Texas State, UTSA, Rice, North Texas, Louisiana, ULM

Obviously all of the WAC's non-football members have to be relocated, but between the Big West, WCC, Big Sky, and Summit, that shouldn't be too hard. UTRGV probably stays behind and upgrades to FBS. UMKC would actually not be that far out of place if they can't be relocated.

Big South
Liberty, Marshall, WKU, MTSU, App State, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Coastal Carolina

The Big South, on paper at least, balloons to 17 schools, but it won't stay that way for long.

Sun Belt
Lousiana Tech, Arkansas State, Southern Miss, South Alabama, UAB, Troy, Georgia Southern, Georgia State

The five remaining Sun Belt schools are basically able to offer a conference without FAU and FIU, which is more than enough for Louisiana Tech and Southern Miss. The Sun Belt is able to hold on to Little Rock and Texas-Arlington.

C-USA

When C-USA got down to five schools, it took the Atlantic Sun's four Florida schools to kept itself afloat. After Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, and UAB depart, pushing the conference back down to six schools, it turns its eyes on the original Big South. Winthrop, Presbyterian, and Charleston Southern leave, dropping the Big South to 14 schools and getting C-USA up to 9 members. It also lands USC Upstate to get to 10 members. FAU and FIU play as FBS independents.

FAU, FIU, FGCU, Stetson, Jacksonville, North Florida, USC Upstate, Winthrop, Presbyterian, Charleston Southern

Atlantic Sun

The Atlantic Sun, having lost all of its Florida members and USC Upstate, winds up taking the remaining non-FBS members of the Big South. Monmouth, Charleston Southern, and Presbyterian
Join as football affiliates.

Lipscomb, North Alabama, Kennesaw State, NJIT, UNC-Asheville, Gardner Webb, High Point, Campbell, Radford, Longwood


North Alabama have asked the SBC to join them back in like 2011 or 2012 year. For sure that we know that wanted FBS status.

North Alabama maybe Kennesaw State will make their way up there with them.
Jacksonville State
Stony Brook
Delaware would want FBS if James Madison goes.
Lamar
Sam Houston State
SFA
Eastern Kentucky
Northern Iowa
Missouri State will go to FBS since MVC is weak now.
Wichita State
Youngstown State
Illinois State
Indiana State

Now, if more see they moved up? Others might want to do the same.
Chattanooga, Towson, East Tennessee State, Villanova (just to stay with the P5 schools if there becomes a 1A and 1AA in basketball), Richmond, VCU could pull the trigger to add football and so forth.
There are schools not D1 yet that are aiming for FBS already.
Texas A&M-San Antonio
Texas A&M-Central Texas
Hawaii-West Oahu (could help Hawaii out in the future)?

With that said, G5 may have to go regional, and La Tech could be in a conference without La.-Monroe as well.
If MVFC could move up as a whole? They could be a semi-power conference along with AAC and MWC. Could take the best of the rest of C-USA, MAC and SBC with a couple of Powerful FCS schools to create a Semi-Power conference for 4. Then, reformed the G5 to include CAA, Big Sky, Southland and Southern.
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If the SBC conference could get ESPN to bulk the payout to 500-750k per year to help add Southern Miss and Rice. I think this would make but the SB as third best confernce in the G5 with the potential of challenging the AAC in football. This would be good SOUTHERN Regional football with no outrages travel for olympic sports.

No Cross over rival 8 game conference -

Sun
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RICE
Ark St
ULM
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Texas St

Belt
App
CCU
Ga State
Ga Southen
Troy
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(06-10-2017 10:16 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(06-10-2017 08:55 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  3. The core schools joining USM could be ULL, ULM, South Ala, Troy, UAB, Ark State, La Tech and perhaps McNeese State or Rice or both. Who might win or who wont win any national championship has nothing to do with this, its travel expenses only.

Who wants aboard?

Doubt that Rice would be interested in being the westernmost program in this line-up. We have a good thing going with UTSA, and North Texas, and we have been with UTEP now longer than any other C-USA member.

You could mostly accomplish this by withdrawing from C-USA and joining the Sunbelt. I expect Texas State would ask to join C-USA if USM withdraws. Would Louisiana Lafayette?

Joining the Sunbelt would not accomplish our goal. Sunbelt in 2018 will include Appy State, Coastal Carolina, Ga Southern, Ga State which are good schools but defeats our purpose. I dont see anyone except maybe the Fla schools having a problem this, just requires a little shuffling around. Some say La Tech would not be interested in a new set up but that is their decision, at least they will have the opportunity.

The lineup under consideration would require no flying and usually no more than a half day bus trip.
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The C-USA and SBC schools, particularly LA Tech, need to just face the fact that they are all essentially playing at the same level and that they are better off working together, reorganizing their memberships to create an Eastern Conference and a Western one. The MAC has always been a regional conference with a tight conference footprint and things work just fine for them.

Both sides have a lot to gain in boosting paid attendence by facing more regional rivals and saving money in travel expenses
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(06-10-2017 03:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The C-USA and SBC schools, particularly LA Tech, need to just face the fact that they are all essentially playing at the same level and that they are better off working together, reorganizing their memberships to create an Eastern Conference and a Western one. The MAC has always been a regional conference with a tight conference footprint and things work just fine for them.

Both sides have a lot to gain in boosting paid attendence by facing more regional rivals and saving money in travel expenses

Has there ever been a case where two conferences worked together in such a manner? Why would we think it's going to happen now?

If you are going to try to form a new conference from these two, why not try to make the strongest conference? You could make a league with two geographically rational divisions that would arguably be more like the AAC and MWC, and clearly better than the MAC and the CUSA and SBC leftovers.

For example:

East: App State, Marshall, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Georgia Southern and Coastal Carolina.

West: Arkansas St, ULL, Troy, Southern Miss, Louisiana Tech and Rice.
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This topic has been beaten more then a dead horse. Look... there will be no realignment. Teams that can't afford to play in their current conference, will have to hope they can move to another, or drop down to the FCS.
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(06-10-2017 03:53 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-10-2017 03:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The C-USA and SBC schools, particularly LA Tech, need to just face the fact that they are all essentially playing at the same level and that they are better off working together, reorganizing their memberships to create an Eastern Conference and a Western one. The MAC has always been a regional conference with a tight conference footprint and things work just fine for them.

Both sides have a lot to gain in boosting paid attendence by facing more regional rivals and saving money in travel expenses

Has there ever been a case where two conferences worked together in such a manner? Why would we think it's going to happen now?

If you are going to try to form a new conference from these two, why not try to make the strongest conference? You could make a league with two geographically rational divisions that would arguably be more like the AAC and MWC, and clearly better than the MAC and the CUSA and SBC leftovers.

For example:

East: App State, Marshall, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Georgia Southern and Coastal Carolina.

West: Arkansas St, ULL, Troy, Southern Miss, Louisiana Tech and Rice.


I never said there was precedent, just that it was logical.

I have to disagree on that line up as being the best of the two. How does Coastal make the list when they've play Zero Games as an FBS school and just expanded their stadium to meet the qualifications. I think the American and MWC are way better than that group.
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It amazes me how people are thinking teams will be dropping. Remember the UAB stink? Idaho fans I believe are not thrilled with about the drop. As long as the Sun Belt, MAC and CUSA are around, no one will drop to FCS. If anything, we will see FCS teams move to FBS Indy.
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(06-10-2017 06:05 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(06-10-2017 03:53 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-10-2017 03:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The C-USA and SBC schools, particularly LA Tech, need to just face the fact that they are all essentially playing at the same level and that they are better off working together, reorganizing their memberships to create an Eastern Conference and a Western one. The MAC has always been a regional conference with a tight conference footprint and things work just fine for them.

Both sides have a lot to gain in boosting paid attendence by facing more regional rivals and saving money in travel expenses

Has there ever been a case where two conferences worked together in such a manner? Why would we think it's going to happen now?

If you are going to try to form a new conference from these two, why not try to make the strongest conference? You could make a league with two geographically rational divisions that would arguably be more like the AAC and MWC, and clearly better than the MAC and the CUSA and SBC leftovers.

For example:

East: App State, Marshall, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Georgia Southern and Coastal Carolina.

West: Arkansas St, ULL, Troy, Southern Miss, Louisiana Tech and Rice.


I never said there was precedent, just that it was logical.

I have to disagree on that line up as being the best of the two. How does Coastal make the list when they've play Zero Games as an FBS school and just expanded their stadium to meet the qualifications. I think the American and MWC are way better than that group.

I wasn't trying to identify the twelve best teams as I was twelve teams that were both strong as a group and geographically compelling. While this group lacks the marquee teams at the top, it also lacks the weakness at the bottom that characterize the AAC and MWC.

It isn't as compact as, say the MAC, or some other proposals here. But each division serves a different region, and the 12 teams are from 11 different states to broaden its commercial appeal.

Personally, I don't expect any significant changes with CUSA and SBC. I just offer this as a strategic alternative to just trying to minimize travel costs. It's always been my experience that rarely do enterprises succeed and grow just by cutting costs. They grow by increasing appeal.
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(06-10-2017 08:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-10-2017 06:05 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(06-10-2017 03:53 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-10-2017 03:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The C-USA and SBC schools, particularly LA Tech, need to just face the fact that they are all essentially playing at the same level and that they are better off working together, reorganizing their memberships to create an Eastern Conference and a Western one. The MAC has always been a regional conference with a tight conference footprint and things work just fine for them.

Both sides have a lot to gain in boosting paid attendence by facing more regional rivals and saving money in travel expenses

Has there ever been a case where two conferences worked together in such a manner? Why would we think it's going to happen now?



If you are going to try to form a new conference from these two, why not try to make the strongest conference? You could make a league with two geographically rational divisions that would arguably be more like the AAC and MWC, and clearly better than the MAC and the CUSA and SBC leftovers.

For example:

East: App State, Marshall, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Georgia Southern and Coastal Carolina.

West: Arkansas St, ULL, Troy, Southern Miss, Louisiana Tech and Rice.


I never said there was precedent, just that it was logical.

I have to disagree on that line up as being the best of the two. How does Coastal make the list when they've play Zero Games as an FBS school and just expanded their stadium to meet the qualifications. I think the American and MWC are way better than that group.

I wasn't trying to identify the twelve best teams as I was twelve teams that were both strong as a group and geographically compelling. While this group lacks the marquee teams at the top, it also lacks the weakness at the bottom that characterize the AAC and MWC.

It isn't as compact as, say the MAC, or some other proposals here. But each division serves a different region, and the 12 teams are from 11 different states to broaden its commercial appeal.

Personally, I don't expect any significant changes with CUSA and SBC. I just offer this as a strategic alternative to just trying to minimize travel costs. It's always been my experience that rarely do enterprises succeed and grow just by cutting costs. They grow by increasing appeal.

Well, let me ask the question again. Who, in the lineup I listed, would want to or would be willing to climb aboard? Everyone else, I am not talking about realignment, etc, I am talking about a few schools forming a new league that would exclude those beyond a close proximity. Everyone else can realign as they like.
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here is why this thread and everyone like it fails

1. (this is not to pick on the MAC) everyone that talks about these smaller footprint, regional, bus ride conferences seemingly 100% ignores the MAC and the fact that the MAC is the most regional and close nit conference there is and one of the most stable G5 conferences there is

and as of right now they have some of the worst attendance in relatively high population areas and some even with new stajiums and until recently their payout was horrible and it is only slightly better now

this of course comes with "T up the excuses why some other G5 conference will not suffer the same fate", but the reality is right there for all to see on several fronts

2. a thread is always a total loser when it starts with the premise that "winning does not matter this is a business decision"

well in sports winning matters unless you want to be The Big Participation Trophy Conference and you can hand out trophies every year of an old beat to hell school bus for the team that drove the fewest miles to all their games and another trophy of a rotting foot with bunions and ingrown toenails and gnarled toes to the congeniality team that lost the most games with the most grace on the field and and a trophy of a limp dick to the coach that gave all the best end of game speeches about how his team lost with dignity and the other team won with class

if your "business decision" especially in sports revolves around associating with others that are just glad to be associated with you now matter how bad any of you suck then your business decisions suck and your sports decisions are worse

3. trying to get to 12 members

earth to G5 conferences no one really cared about your CCG games back when you had to have 12 teams to have one and you usually lost money on them and now that you do not need to have 12 members to have one even if you want to lose money and have low attendance why are you still trying to get to 12 teams in a conference

all the more so when it is pretty much impossible to get 12 teams in a small region (if you buy into the small region crap that has been dispelled above) that actually give a damn about winning consistently

well of course that is why you have to say ridiculous things like "well this is not about winning" to start out with

4. when you are a group of teams that NEEDS $1 million dollars for a P5 game and you NEED to try and maybe get a home and home or a 2-1 with a P5 school (even a bad one) every so often to sell tickets why are you trying to get together with a bunch of teams that have small fan support of their own that that need P5 pay days and 2-1 games and trying to get 12 or 14 of them together so you can play more conference games no one cares about

if "winning does not matter" then hell you should sign up for 3 OOC body bag games and make THAT "business decision" because at least you will get paid for your ass whipping

so again there is more conflict and lack of focus on "business decisions" and "winning" when you try and get more teams into a conference to play more conference games regionally with teams that have small fan support

now before the OP comes along and puts up the USM attendance numbers (that are pretty good).....I am not the one trying to get in a conference where winning does not matter and with a bunch of small budget regional teams that agree that winning does not matter and their fan support reflects that attitude

I am the one trying to say that USM could do a hell of a lot better than making a stupid short term decision to save a few hundred K on travel

5. people can deny it all they wish and refuse to look at the numbers all they wish

but one need only compare the MAC to the old MWC when the MWC first started or even further back the SWC Vs the Big 8 to know that getting smaller and more regional just results in all of your programs going after the same recruits, going after the same causal fans, lowers your overall interest to casual and very casual fans and you end up an after thought

and worse once the "winning does not matter we are all just having a giant regional circle jerk" kicks in and ALL of your programs start to suffer well you find out that winning DOES MATTER to RECRUITS and what DOES NOT MATTER to recruits is how short of a bus ride they get to take to play another 3-5 team or another 2-7 team to see who gets the old school bus trophy or the rotten footprint trophy

the MWC was at their best when they were low in numbers and they were spread out and they had teams that actually made business decisions around what was best for THEIR PROGRAM and for WINNING and the CONFERENCE benefits from that

if you are looking for conference affiliation to save your program or to boost your program then your program is already a loser and no conference should want you and no teams should want you in their conference
06-10-2017 09:50 PM
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