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RE: A thought about how our beloved athletic director could help us raise money
I don't care that the athletic director rubs some people the wrong way. That has no bearing on his ability to do his job.

Wrong. Just wrong. An AD is much more than an administrator. Much of his time is meeting and schmoozing.
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(06-14-2017 02:17 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Wrong. Just wrong. An AD is much more than an administrator. Much of his time is meeting and schmoozing.

We will simply disagree on this point. I view what you are describing as the job of coaches for their individual programs.
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RE: A thought about how our beloved athletic director could help us raise money
The job of the coach is to recruit, coach, and to monitor the academics and conduct of the team members. To some degree the coach does PR work in an effort to publicize the team and put butts in seats, but that's a secondary function.

The AD's biggest job is to schmooze the big boosters and keep their donations flowing, as well as finding new donors. He also represents the school on a larger stage, such as conference and NCAA meetings. Sure, he's the overall head of the Athletic Department, the chief administrator, but most decisions should be handled below his level by his subordinates. He steps in when needed to set policy and for big decisions and to settle disagreements. He also hires coaches as they are needed, but if he makes solid hires that should be quite infrequent.
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RE: A thought about how our beloved athletic director could help us raise money
(06-14-2017 02:45 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  The job of the coach is to recruit, coach, and to monitor the academics and conduct of the team members. To some degree the coach does PR work in an effort to publicize the team and put butts in seats, but that's a secondary function.

I view the publicity of the team as solely the responsibility of the coach and athletic staff. The AD can not be responsible for doing this for every team. He is to be PR for the athletic department as a whole.

(06-14-2017 02:45 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  The AD's biggest job is to schmooze the big boosters and keep their donations flowing, as well as finding new donors. He also represents the school on a larger stage, such as conference and NCAA meetings. Sure, he's the overall head of the Athletic Department, the chief administrator, but most decisions should be handled below his level by his subordinates. He steps in when needed to set policy and for big decisions and to settle disagreements. He also hires coaches as they are needed, but if he makes solid hires that should be quite infrequent.

I view this the exact opposite. The AD is to make the decisions, not his staff. Certainly day to day things should be handled by staff, but I completely disagree that he shouldn't make administrative decisions. He does represent the school on a larger stage, but I have not seen where Ingram is not making those types of appearances. He seems to be making the public appearances one would expect of him. Is there a large event you think he should have attended that he did not?

Finding donors certainly should be the job of the athletic department, but no way is that the sole job of the athletic director. Certainly he should make appearances at events set up to attract donors, but he shouldn't be the one setting up those events or finding those donors. What you're describing is an AD beholden to donors. That is a recipe for disaster for our athletics department. That way lies NCAA sanctions.
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RE: A thought about how our beloved athletic director could help us raise money
(06-14-2017 03:03 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 02:45 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  The job of the coach is to recruit, coach, and to monitor the academics and conduct of the team members. To some degree the coach does PR work in an effort to publicize the team and put butts in seats, but that's a secondary function.

I view the publicity of the team as solely the responsibility of the coach and athletic staff. The AD can not be responsible for doing this for every team. He is to be PR for the athletic department as a whole.

That's marketing and communications. If you look at the Athletics Directory under Communications, beside the names of the associate and assistants are the programs that they are responsible for marketing. I repeat, advertising the team is at most a secondary responsibility for the head coach. Coaches recruit and coach. Marketing people market. Is that so hard to comprehend?

http://www.uabsports.com/school-bio/albr...ctory.html


(06-14-2017 02:45 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  The AD's biggest job is to schmooze the big boosters and keep their donations flowing, as well as finding new donors. He also represents the school on a larger stage, such as conference and NCAA meetings. Sure, he's the overall head of the Athletic Department, the chief administrator, but most decisions should be handled below his level by his subordinates. He steps in when needed to set policy and for big decisions and to settle disagreements. He also hires coaches as they are needed, but if he makes solid hires that should be quite infrequent.

I view this the exact opposite. The AD is to make the decisions, not his staff. Certainly day to day things should be handled by staff, but I completely disagree that he shouldn't make administrative decisions. He does represent the school on a larger stage, but I have not seen where Ingram is not making those types of appearances. He seems to be making the public appearances one would expect of him. Is there a large event you think he should have attended that he did not?

Finding donors certainly should be the job of the athletic department, but no way is that the sole job of the athletic director. Certainly he should make appearances at events set up to attract donors, but he shouldn't be the one setting up those events or finding those donors. What you're describing is an AD beholden to donors. That is a recipe for disaster for our athletics department. That way lies NCAA sanctions.

You are partially right. The everyday fundraising people will be listed on that directory under Blazer Boosters. That's Brad Hardekopf's crew. They talk with both the little guys like me and the big boosters, working for donations and helping sell season tickets as well, that's what their department does. The Blazer Booster program also encourages UAB fans to bird dog people who are potential season ticket buyers and/or donors, folks who the people in the athletic department don't know about.

That said, the AD should be the big gun, the closer, the guy you put with high dollar corporate people to close the deal. That's why his people skills are important.

That's true pretty much everywhere in college athletics.
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(06-14-2017 03:49 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  That's marketing and communications. If you look at the Athletics Directory under Communications, beside the names of the associate and assistants are the programs that they are responsible for marketing. I repeat, advertising the team is at most a secondary responsibility for the head coach. Coaches recruit and coach. Marketing people market. Is that so hard to comprehend?

http://www.uabsports.com/school-bio/albr...ctory.html

Well sure, but that still leaves it more in the hands of the coach than the AD. Of course the marketing department is going to be involved in the actual marketing of the program. If the coach isn't involved in that, though, then the program falters. The only coaches I can think of as a recent example would be Anthony Grant at Alabama or Garrick McGee at UAB. Those guys did a terrible job of marketing themselves and their programs, and it showed. Especially when it came to dealing with the media.

(06-14-2017 03:49 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  You are partially right. The everyday fundraising people will be listed on that directory under Blazer Boosters. That's Brad Hardekopf's crew. They talk with both the little guys like me and the big boosters, working for donations and helping sell season tickets as well, that's what their department does. That said, the AD should be the big gun, the closer, the guy you put with high dollar corporate people to close the deal. That's why his people skills are important.

That's true pretty much everywhere in college athletics.

Maybe I said something different, but this seems like exactly what I intended with my comments. If he was running off high dollar corporate people, wouldn't that show in the amount of donations being received for the football team?
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Foundation has brought in most every dollar and been the driving force in vision for the football program. The funding is because of a great vision for Birmingham and our football coach, not the AD. However, I hope he does well, the right AD can continue the great momentum and enhance the new relationships that have been built.
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Thank God the Foundation stepped up, or our football program would be dead and buried.
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The Foundation has been the REAL DEAL.........end of story.
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(06-15-2017 07:29 AM)Bham Blazer Wrote:  The Foundation has been the REAL DEAL.........end of story.

Foundation is awesome, that's for sure. Was definitely needed.
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Gosh all this drama over a snarky little post.

I'll admit, I'm 800 miles away from the action and what I know I read here and the Snews. I made my comment based on a few things.
1. Some folks who seem to talk to donors don't like the guy
2. Some of us-self included-think that when Watts goes, he's got to show some true green or he'll never be able to wash off the stink.
3. Thus....the Fatboy Lottery.
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(06-14-2017 09:59 PM)oldragon Wrote:  Foundation has brought in most every dollar and been the driving force in vision for the football program. The funding is because of a great vision for Birmingham and our football coach, not the AD. However, I hope he does well, the right AD can continue the great momentum and enhance the new relationships that have been built.

EXACTLY.
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(06-14-2017 11:05 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Thank God the Foundation stepped up, or our football program would be dead and buried.

This 100%. The Ad was not a help but a hinderence. That said I hope he can get it together and grow into a good ad
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(06-15-2017 09:58 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 11:05 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Thank God the Foundation stepped up, or our football program would be dead and buried.

This 100%. The Ad was not a help but a hinderence. That said I hope he can get it together and grow into a good ad

I hope he begins to look on the foundation as an asset to help him accomplish departmental strategic goals. We're here to help him not do his job.
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(06-15-2017 10:03 AM)biglizard Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 09:58 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 11:05 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Thank God the Foundation stepped up, or our football program would be dead and buried.

This 100%. The Ad was not a help but a hinderence. That said I hope he can get it together and grow into a good ad

I hope he begins to look on the foundation as an asset to help him accomplish departmental strategic goals. We're here to help him not do his job.

Truthfully, since money in the tens of millions was the need for return of the program, the AD can not be a financial factor in UAB's successful return. Mostly, he just needs to not get in the way of the big donors. So far as I have seen, he has done the nonfinancial jobs pretty well. Time will tell if his coaching hires work out.
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This article (below) was over a year ago, but everyone I know "on the inside" has affirmed the truth of it, and from what I have seen, not a lot has changed.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/...uab_f.html

As has been stated, I'm thankful for the Foundation--or there would be no UAB Football, among other things. We are succeeding DESPITE our athletic director, not because of him.
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That nails it.
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(06-15-2017 09:58 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  That said I hope he can get it together and grow into a good ad

03-lmfao

Suuuure you do.
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I have heard he is improving (I thing the quote was "He is growing into the job" and that was not a joke about his weight). We need to face the fact that unless he gets offered a better gig we are stuck with him for a while. Better to support him which would improve his chances at getting his better gig.
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(06-16-2017 05:26 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  I have heard he is improving (I thing the quote was "He is growing into the job" and that was not a joke about his weight). We need to face the fact that unless he gets offered a better gig we are stuck with him for a while. Better to support him which would improve his chances at getting his better gig.

I really hope this is true. Let's face it, he came into a position that was basically ground zero for one of the most contentious conflicts in college sports in the last 30 years. There isn't a lot of prior experience that'll prepare you for that.
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