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(06-13-2017 08:29 AM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  
(06-12-2017 06:19 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  That's all fine. Just don't be surprised if people are skeptical. Without sources or first hand proof, it is simply hearsay from someone on a message board. You guys don't have to prove anything to me anyway.

This is exactly it. Without actual evidence of Ingram doing a poor job, this is all just a bunch of rumors on a message board. I can't put any stock into that and won't change my opinion of the man based solely on conjecture.

I don't have any evidence of much, but the vote of no confidence combined with the fact that our boosters didn't want him here makes me believe there is at least some truth to what is being said here.
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(06-13-2017 10:53 AM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  So you chose not to read or comprehend what Band Dad said. Thanks.

He posted conjecture, nothing more. Telling me that people know people who don't like the guy doesn't say anything about his job as an athletic director. The guy is mostly making phenomenal coaching hires (on paper, at least). I never see anyone point to anything they actually want him to do differently. It's all just vague references with no specifics. You don't have to divulge sources to say what you actually want the guy to be doing that he isn't currently doing.
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(06-13-2017 12:22 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I don't have any evidence of much, but the vote of no confidence combined with the fact that our boosters didn't want him here makes me believe there is at least some truth to what is being said here.

There was a vote of no confidence in Mark Ingram? I just googled that and came up empty. Are you talking about Watts?
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(06-13-2017 12:27 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  
(06-13-2017 12:22 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I don't have any evidence of much, but the vote of no confidence combined with the fact that our boosters didn't want him here makes me believe there is at least some truth to what is being said here.

There was a vote of no confidence in Mark Ingram? I just googled that and came up empty. Are you talking about Watts?

Please continue on with your fantasy that no one here actually knows anything.

Some folks on here actually step inside Bartow Arena for real meetings with adults on non-game days, but don't let that conjecture fact concern you.
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(06-13-2017 12:39 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Please continue on with your fantasy that no one here actually knows anything.

That's not what I said at all. I'm saying people haven't given any specifics about anything Ingram is doing poorly. That's why it's all conjecture. No one is going to be convinced by that, and he certainly won't lose his job over it.

(06-13-2017 12:39 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Some folks on here actually step inside Bartow Arena for real meetings with adults on non-game days, but don't let that conjecture fact concern you.

Okay? People go to meetings at Bartow. Great. That means Ingram is doing a poor job?

Edit: It's a little silly how angry you guys are getting that I won't just blindly believe anonymous internet message board chatter that isn't backed by any evidence.
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UAB is UAB Athletics' biggest problem. It's not Ingram.
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(06-13-2017 12:27 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  
(06-13-2017 12:22 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I don't have any evidence of much, but the vote of no confidence combined with the fact that our boosters didn't want him here makes me believe there is at least some truth to what is being said here.

There was a vote of no confidence in Mark Ingram? I just googled that and came up empty. Are you talking about Watts?

I'm talking about the president and your troll act is getting a bit ridiculous at this point. The vote of no confidence came, the president then hired an AD out boosters were against, and a separate entity has since taken the lead on a lot of things a good AD would be doing. Like I said before, I don't have inside knowledge of anything, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect some dots.
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(06-13-2017 12:42 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  
(06-13-2017 12:39 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Please continue on with your fantasy that no one here actually knows anything.

That's not what I said at all. I'm saying people haven't given any specifics about anything Ingram is doing poorly. That's why it's all conjecture. No one is going to be convinced by that, and he certainly won't lose his job over it.

(06-13-2017 12:39 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Some folks on here actually step inside Bartow Arena for real meetings with adults on non-game days, but don't let that conjecture fact concern you.

Okay? People go to meetings at Bartow. Great. That means Ingram is doing a poor job?

Edit: It's a little silly how angry you guys are getting that I won't just blindly believe anonymous internet message board chatter that isn't backed by any evidence.

I'm not angry, why would you ask, are you mad ?

Nobody here has anything to prove to you. But still you chose to chime in and tell people that are in the know "you don't know $hit". That does get annoying.

Maybe it's because you don't have a connection to internal Athletic's politics at UAB, you assume, wrongly, that none of your internet peers could possibly be wiser than you. - Right here you'd make a good match for Mark Ingram, because both of you would always assume you are the smartest guy in the room.
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(06-13-2017 01:36 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I'm talking about the president and your troll act is getting a bit ridiculous at this point. The vote of no confidence came, the president then hired an AD out boosters were against, and a separate entity has since taken the lead on a lot of things a good AD would be doing. Like I said before, I don't have inside knowledge of anything, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect some dots.

Well this was precisely my point to begin with. I said it seems like people don't like Ingram simply because Watts hired him. Not sure why you think that's a troll when you just said exactly the same thing.
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(06-13-2017 01:42 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  I'm not angry, why would you ask, are you mad ?

Because you're making things up.

(06-13-2017 01:42 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Nobody here has anything to prove to you. But still you chose to chime in and tell people that are in the know "you don't know $hit". That does get annoying.

Like this part here. I never told anyone they didn't know anything. I said conjecture isn't proof.

(06-13-2017 01:42 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Maybe it's because you don't have a connection to internal Athletic's politics at UAB, you assume, wrongly, that none of your internet peers could possibly be wiser than you. - Right here you'd make a good match for Mark Ingram, because both of you would always assume you are the smartest guy in the room.

I don't even have any desire whatsoever to be connected to "internal Athletic's politics at UAB," but people have made the claim that my alma mater's athletics director is doing a poor job. I have an interest in that claim, because all appearances are things are going well and he is making decent hires. There seems to be no counterpoint to that statement. If someone is going to claim he is doing a poor job, I very much want to know it and I expect more than just "because this person says so." I'm being kind to even call that conjecture.
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(06-13-2017 01:42 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  I'm not angry, why would you ask, are you mad ?

Because you're making things up.

(06-13-2017 01:42 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Nobody here has anything to prove to you. But still you chose to chime in and tell people that are in the know "you don't know $hit". That does get annoying.

Like this part here. I never told anyone they didn't know anything. I said conjecture isn't proof.

(06-13-2017 01:42 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Maybe it's because you don't have a connection to internal Athletic's politics at UAB, you assume, wrongly, that none of your internet peers could possibly be wiser than you. - Right here you'd make a good match for Mark Ingram, because both of you would always assume you are the smartest guy in the room.

I don't even have any desire whatsoever to be connected to "internal Athletic's politics at UAB," but people have made the claim that my alma mater's athletics director is doing a poor job. I have an interest in that claim, because all appearances are things are going well and he is making decent hires. There seems to be no counterpoint to that statement. If someone is going to claim he is doing a poor job, I very much want to know it and I expect more than just "because this person says so." I'm being kind to even call that conjecture.

So glad I/we could entertain you. Goodbye !
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(06-13-2017 02:30 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  So glad I/we could entertain you. Goodbye !

Thanks I guess? I'm still waiting for someone to point out how he's doing a poor job. I guess that's too much to ask.
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(06-13-2017 02:16 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  
(06-13-2017 01:36 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I'm talking about the president and your troll act is getting a bit ridiculous at this point. The vote of no confidence came, the president then hired an AD out boosters were against, and a separate entity has since taken the lead on a lot of things a good AD would be doing. Like I said before, I don't have inside knowledge of anything, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect some dots.

Well this was precisely my point to begin with. People don't like Ingram because Watts hired him. Not sure why you think that's a troll when you just said exactly the same thing.
No major University will come to UAB and steel the big guy
I never hear anyone said anything good not even one ,,,and that is troublesome
and i talk to a lot of people with high connection at UAB
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(06-13-2017 02:35 PM)UABFRENCHY Wrote:  No major University will come to UAB and steel the big guy
I never hear anyone said anything good not even one ,,,and that is troublesome
and i talk to a lot of people with high connection at UAB

Did he conduct the coaching searches for the recent beach volleyball coach and the "spirit" coach? Those seem like pretty good hires to me. I also seem to remember everyone being glad when he promoted our head basketball coach. I thought that was a poor hire, but it seemed like everyone else was all about it. These folks didn't even say good things about his coaching hires?

Surely you guys can see why this seems hard to believe.

Edit: Is someone else conducting the coaching searches? That would make this make more sense to me.
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(06-13-2017 02:35 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  
(06-13-2017 02:30 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  So glad I/we could entertain you. Goodbye !

Thanks I guess? I'm still waiting for someone to point out how he's doing a poor job. I guess that's too much to ask.

You're under no obligation to believe anything anyone says anymore than they're obligated to show you proof. Having said that, myself as well as others that I've spoken with that have had interactions with Mark didn't walk away with the warm fuzzies.
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(06-13-2017 02:25 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  
(06-13-2017 01:42 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  I'm not angry, why would you ask, are you mad ?

Because you're making things up.

(06-13-2017 01:42 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Nobody here has anything to prove to you. But still you chose to chime in and tell people that are in the know "you don't know $hit". That does get annoying.

Like this part here. I never told anyone they didn't know anything. I said conjecture isn't proof.

(06-13-2017 01:42 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Maybe it's because you don't have a connection to internal Athletic's politics at UAB, you assume, wrongly, that none of your internet peers could possibly be wiser than you. - Right here you'd make a good match for Mark Ingram, because both of you would always assume you are the smartest guy in the room.

I don't even have any desire whatsoever to be connected to "internal Athletic's politics at UAB," but people have made the claim that my alma mater's athletics director is doing a poor job. I have an interest in that claim, because all appearances are things are going well and he is making decent hires. There seems to be no counterpoint to that statement. If someone is going to claim he is doing a poor job, I very much want to know it and I expect more than just "because this person says so." I'm being kind to even call that conjecture.

May I ask what exactly he is doing a good job of In your book?
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(06-13-2017 04:55 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(06-13-2017 02:25 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  
(06-13-2017 01:42 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  I'm not angry, why would you ask, are you mad ?

Because you're making things up.

(06-13-2017 01:42 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Nobody here has anything to prove to you. But still you chose to chime in and tell people that are in the know "you don't know $hit". That does get annoying.

Like this part here. I never told anyone they didn't know anything. I said conjecture isn't proof.

(06-13-2017 01:42 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Maybe it's because you don't have a connection to internal Athletic's politics at UAB, you assume, wrongly, that none of your internet peers could possibly be wiser than you. - Right here you'd make a good match for Mark Ingram, because both of you would always assume you are the smartest guy in the room.

I don't even have any desire whatsoever to be connected to "internal Athletic's politics at UAB," but people have made the claim that my alma mater's athletics director is doing a poor job. I have an interest in that claim, because all appearances are things are going well and he is making decent hires. There seems to be no counterpoint to that statement. If someone is going to claim he is doing a poor job, I very much want to know it and I expect more than just "because this person says so." I'm being kind to even call that conjecture.

May I ask what exactly he is doing a good job of In your book?

Things he will get credit for (whether responsible for it or not)
Football returned under his watch
Contributions are way up
Corporate sponsorship are up
Graduation rates are up

Some of that he didn't have anything to do with. Some maybe he did. But all happen under him and some he may have accomplished by letting others take the lead. It happened on his watch so he will get credit for it, like it or not.

And really, who cares who gets credit as long as the good things happen.

Most of the stuff I hear he has done wrong is simply some people getting their feelings hurt because they thought they deserved special treatment they didn't get.

Frankly, we complain about the special treatment big boosters get at other schools. Boosters in charge of programs is what is wrong with college athletics. I'm glad our AD office still has a little control over the program.
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Ok, fatkid, here's the deal. There are quite a number of us here who know each other, who have tailgated together, gone to games together, gone to road games together for years. In some cases that's ten years or more. There are people on this board, and in this thread, who I know have been at the table with Ingram. There are people in this thread that I know have reliable inside contacts that they talk to.

You don't want to believe that? Ok, that's your right and your decision to make. If you don't, kindly don't bleat about how all it is is message board rumors, though. Just because you don't know about it does not make it untrue. It just means that you don't know what you're talking about and are unwilling to listen to people who do.

Have you ever been to a Blazertalk tailgate? Met any of us? I don't recall ever meeting you along the way, but we might have met and I just don't recall.

This isn't about claiming some kind of big insider status. I'll freely admit that I am far from being a big money influential donor. I'm just a fan who has been following Blazer athletics for a long time. I know some people who have been at UAB or in the Athletic Dept. for a long time that I can talk to. I know more people who have their own (better) contacts, friends who have proved to be dead on time after time over many years. You don't have to trust that, you don't have to listen to any of it... but I learn stuff by listening to people who know. Maybe you should try it sometime, you might fool around and learn something too.
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(06-13-2017 04:55 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  May I ask what exactly he is doing a good job of In your book?

Even if I ignore all of the good things happening with UAB athletics right now that could not happen if he did not at least allow them to occur, and that he could make very difficult on everyone, he has made great (or at least serviceable) coaching hires at every opportunity. I have made that statement multiple times in this thread, and no one has disputed it. To me, that is the most important duty of the athletic director. If the athletic director makes bad coaching hires, then nothing else he/she does matters at all.
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(06-13-2017 11:47 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Ok, fatkid, here's the deal. There are quite a number of us here who know each other, who have tailgated together, gone to games together, gone to road games together for years. In some cases that's ten years or more. There are people on this board, and in this thread, who I know have been at the table with Ingram. There are people in this thread that I know have reliable inside contacts that they talk to.

You don't want to believe that? Ok, that's your right and your decision to make. If you don't, kindly don't bleat about how all it is is message board rumors, though. Just because you don't know about it does not make it untrue. It just means that you don't know what you're talking about and are unwilling to listen to people who do.

Have you ever been to a Blazertalk tailgate? Met any of us? I don't recall ever meeting you along the way, but we might have met and I just don't recall.

This isn't about claiming some kind of big insider status. I'll freely admit that I am far from being a big money influential donor. I'm just a fan who has been following Blazer athletics for a long time. I know some people who have been at UAB or in the Athletic Dept. for a long time that I can talk to. I know more people who have their own (better) contacts, friends who have proved to be dead on time after time over many years. You don't have to trust that, you don't have to listen to any of it... but I learn stuff by listening to people who know. Maybe you should try it sometime, you might fool around and learn something too.

I have disputed none of these things, but no one has stated anything that they could be right or wrong about. We're basically forming an opinion based on "I have a feeling about this guy." Nothing more. I don't care that the athletic director rubs some people the wrong way. That has no bearing on his ability to do his job.

To answer your question, yes I have been to a Blazertalk tailgate before.
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