(06-07-2017 05:55 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 04:33 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Note friendly NCSU/ECU Banter

Where the Eastern North Carolina choice?

And yes, I remember the numbers 33-30

I prefer University of North Carolina at Raleigh myself for NCSU.....

Wonder how many actually know for a brief period in the 70's that was the name. I will say, I would never support the UNC-Greenville for the name. I like ECU over East Carolina. I was telling someone the other day, your midfield logo is the best in college football. And yes, we PIRATED it for the UNC game one year.

Go with ECU...

East Carolina is embarrassing and vulgar.

General: East Carolina
Sports: ECU

I also like Tomorrow Starts Here (general)/Undaunted (sports)


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(06-07-2017 03:31 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  I've seen this brought up in prior threads, but wanted to get opinions.

I just got a survey, which I assume was sent to all alumni, asking about branding. The university is considering changing from "Tomorrow Starts Here" to something else ("This is where bulls run!" is my top recommendation, and it looks like they are also looking into the "East Carolina" vs. "ECU" topic.

One of the questions on the survey is...

"How would you rate your feelings about the following? The university being referred to as ECU (similar to schools like LSU, TCU, NYU, VCU, etc.)?"

So what say you Pirate Nation, fellow AAC fans, and visiting trolls?

So, let's run these in order, shall we?
-LSU: Only called that because, literally, "Louisiana State University" has too many syllables... Especially in the deep south.
-TCU: I still hear people call TCU "Texas Christian," but again, it was a shorthand.
-NYU: Really? How often, outside of watching old re-runs of "Law and Order" or "Blue Bloods" do you hear people talk about NYU? And when they do, it's really to distinguish NYU from CCNY, CUNY, or some other school in the New York City area.
-VCU: Like LSU, it's a lot of syllables for a quick reference... Virginia Commonwealth University. And because Virginia is a "Commonwealth" rather than a "State" otherwise it'd be "Virginia State" which is a lot more manageable.

And you left out:
-USC (the one in Cali, not South Carolina): I still hear people interchangeably refer to "USC" and "Southern Cal." Honestly, it's almost equal... Aside from Southern California University's attempt to trademark the letters "USC" which pissed off South Carolina so that they counter sued. But that's a different story.

I think "East Carolina" ought to go with "East Carolina." When "Central Florida" rebranded themselves with "UCF" it didn't really stop anyone from calling them "Central Florida." And yeah, in quick conversation we'll all say "ECU" instead of trying to type out "East Carolina University." But that's convenience, not trying to rebrand your moniker or nick-name. And, in the end, someone is going to ask "What does the 'ECU' stand for?" and you'll have to answer it anyway.

Unless you rename your school "Tidewater University"....because that's just what this conference needs...another TU/UT.

I think "East Carolina" is better in the spoken word, but ECU looks better on score ticker etc

I prefer East Carolina. Yes, east is directional, but if we were truly directional we'd be Eastern North Carolina. That said, ECU is fine with me as well.

East Carolina when spoken. ECU for the boards.

East Carolina is like its own state, very much like how Cincinnati is its own entity within Ohio. Wear it with pride. Honestly, unless I'm on my cell phone (hate typing on it) I prefer to type East Carolina. This is going to sound weird... but it feels good on the fingers.

I like "East Carolina". "ECU" rhymes too much with "Sleazy U"

(06-07-2017 06:13 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:34 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Personally I think it would limit the directional school argument if we just went with ECU. I'm proud of it being East Carolina University, but as far as sports marketing I think ECU would better. ECU looks much better on ESPN than E. Car. or E. Carolina.

I think UCF has accomplish the same thing with getting away from Central Florida.

We unique where there is no state of Carolina. There is a north and south but no true carolina. It's not like we are East North Carolina Univeristy OR for example being in Tennessee and being called East Tennessee. We should just become Carolina Univeristy of the East similar to Swanee University of the South. We would be the University of the East, but for Athletics known as Carolina Pirates.

Hard to stop a school called Carolina with a large enrollment and great football support out of the SEC if they decide to expand. However if we brand ourselves as ECU we will never be anything more then a G5, we will just be another directional school hiding behind an acronym, like MTSU, UAB, WKU, UNT, UTSA, UTEP, FIU, FAU, USA, USM, etc.

Acronym schools are not the norm in P5 way more in the G5 then P5. Let's see how many P5 schools use an acronym for main branding.
1) USC
2) UCLA
3) TCU
4) LSU

A total of four where two are in a huge state and happen to be located in Los Angeles and have been power players since the beginning. The third is a recent move up to P5 that is a smaller private school happened to be located in another huge state of Texas and located in Dallas-Ft Worth Market. Also happens to be purple and _CU (seems like they beat us to it). The fourth happens to be Louisiana State University and they just prefer to go by an acronym. They also happen to be a life long member of the best football conference.

The point being if you are going to rebrand the best is to rename instead of using an acronym as an a directional school acronym doesn't make it to the P5.

thats because a majority of P5 schools are large landgrant schools and state flagships. They sound better than a directional school to the average fan. Florida vs Central Florida. Its the state's name or state's name followed by state. If any of the schools in G5 were the state's name they'd use that too (see new mexico, or new mexico state). Problem is a lot of G5 are directional schools which have a negative connotation. Just the facts.

FSU goes by FSU rather than florida state, at least among any fsu fan I know.

East Carolina is better. You're a flagship of a made up state.

Seriously East Carolina is better

(06-07-2017 09:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:31 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  I've seen this brought up in prior threads, but wanted to get opinions.

I just got a survey, which I assume was sent to all alumni, asking about branding. The university is considering changing from "Tomorrow Starts Here" to something else ("This is where bulls run!" is my top recommendation, and it looks like they are also looking into the "East Carolina" vs. "ECU" topic.

One of the questions on the survey is...

"How would you rate your feelings about the following? The university being referred to as ECU (similar to schools like LSU, TCU, NYU, VCU, etc.)?"

So what say you Pirate Nation, fellow AAC fans, and visiting trolls?

So, let's run these in order, shall we?
-LSU: Only called that because, literally, "Louisiana State University" has too many syllables... Especially in the deep south.
-TCU: I still hear people call TCU "Texas Christian," but again, it was a shorthand.
-NYU: Really? How often, outside of watching old re-runs of "Law and Order" or "Blue Bloods" do you hear people talk about NYU? And when they do, it's really to distinguish NYU from CCNY, CUNY, or some other school in the New York City area.
-VCU: Like LSU, it's a lot of syllables for a quick reference... Virginia Commonwealth University. And because Virginia is a "Commonwealth" rather than a "State" otherwise it'd be "Virginia State" which is a lot more manageable.

And you left out:
-USC (the one in Cali, not South Carolina): I still hear people interchangeably refer to "USC" and "Southern Cal." Honestly, it's almost equal... Aside from Southern California University's attempt to trademark the letters "USC" which pissed off South Carolina so that they counter sued. But that's a different story.

I think "East Carolina" ought to go with "East Carolina." When "Central Florida" rebranded themselves with "UCF" it didn't really stop anyone from calling them "Central Florida." And yeah, in quick conversation we'll all say "ECU" instead of trying to type out "East Carolina University." But that's convenience, not trying to rebrand your moniker or nick-name. And, in the end, someone is going to ask "What does the 'ECU' stand for?" and you'll have to answer it anyway.

Unless you rename your school "Tidewater University"....because that's just what this conference needs...another TU/UT.

1) East Carolina University has one less syllable than Louisiana State University. Same with VCU.
2) It doesn't matter how often people talk about NYU. I've never heard anyone refer to NYU as New York University. That was their point. The survey was about general branding, so they probably wanted to include some academics only examples.
3) The university provided those examples, not me. I was quoting. So how are you going to argue the fact that USC is only used half the time when it wasn't even provided as an example?
4) No one is necessarily saying that people would stop calling the school East Carolina. It's just when you buy a t-shirt, see the espn scoreboard, etc, you'll see more ECU, similar to how you see UNC and VT.

(06-08-2017 08:28 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 09:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:31 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  I've seen this brought up in prior threads, but wanted to get opinions.

I just got a survey, which I assume was sent to all alumni, asking about branding. The university is considering changing from "Tomorrow Starts Here" to something else ("This is where bulls run!" is my top recommendation, and it looks like they are also looking into the "East Carolina" vs. "ECU" topic.

One of the questions on the survey is...

"How would you rate your feelings about the following? The university being referred to as ECU (similar to schools like LSU, TCU, NYU, VCU, etc.)?"

So what say you Pirate Nation, fellow AAC fans, and visiting trolls?

So, let's run these in order, shall we?
-LSU: Only called that because, literally, "Louisiana State University" has too many syllables... Especially in the deep south.
-TCU: I still hear people call TCU "Texas Christian," but again, it was a shorthand.
-NYU: Really? How often, outside of watching old re-runs of "Law and Order" or "Blue Bloods" do you hear people talk about NYU? And when they do, it's really to distinguish NYU from CCNY, CUNY, or some other school in the New York City area.
-VCU: Like LSU, it's a lot of syllables for a quick reference... Virginia Commonwealth University. And because Virginia is a "Commonwealth" rather than a "State" otherwise it'd be "Virginia State" which is a lot more manageable.

And you left out:
-USC (the one in Cali, not South Carolina): I still hear people interchangeably refer to "USC" and "Southern Cal." Honestly, it's almost equal... Aside from Southern California University's attempt to trademark the letters "USC" which pissed off South Carolina so that they counter sued. But that's a different story.

I think "East Carolina" ought to go with "East Carolina." When "Central Florida" rebranded themselves with "UCF" it didn't really stop anyone from calling them "Central Florida." And yeah, in quick conversation we'll all say "ECU" instead of trying to type out "East Carolina University." But that's convenience, not trying to rebrand your moniker or nick-name. And, in the end, someone is going to ask "What does the 'ECU' stand for?" and you'll have to answer it anyway.

Unless you rename your school "Tidewater University"....because that's just what this conference needs...another TU/UT.

1) East Carolina University has one less syllable than Louisiana State University. Same with VCU.
2) It doesn't matter how often people talk about NYU. I've never heard anyone refer to NYU as New York University. That was their point. The survey was about general branding, so they probably wanted to include some academics only examples.
3) The university provided those examples, not me. I was quoting. So how are you going to argue the fact that USC is only used half the time when it wasn't even provided as an example?
4) No one is necessarily saying that people would stop calling the school East Carolina. It's just when you buy a t-shirt, see the espn scoreboard, etc, you'll see more ECU, similar to how you see UNC and VT.

4) Isn't true UNC brands as 'Carolina' and Virginia Tech brands as Virginia Tech. If we want to get into a better conference and expand our brand going by ECU is not the answer. There are only 4 out 65 teams in the P5 that use acronyms. They are USC, UCLA, TCU, and LSU. Out of all 65 teams only one is a directional school and that is USC aka "Southern Cal" a large private school in Los Angeles. If want to get into a better conference branding as ECU is not the answer and will put us for ever in a G5 conference.

Branding and marketing is simple you want people to know instantly what you selling and what you are. Going by ECU Pirates tell people no idea where you are located and that an ECU is? Going by East Carolina tells people oh hey that school is located in the Carolinas. Which is great for us because people love visiting and living in the Carolinas and help us get out of state students. WE should rebrand as 'Carolina Pirates' for athletics and rename the university Carolina University of the East.

(06-08-2017 07:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 06:13 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:34 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Personally I think it would limit the directional school argument if we just went with ECU. I'm proud of it being East Carolina University, but as far as sports marketing I think ECU would better. ECU looks much better on ESPN than E. Car. or E. Carolina.

I think UCF has accomplish the same thing with getting away from Central Florida.

We unique where there is no state of Carolina. There is a north and south but no true carolina. It's not like we are East North Carolina Univeristy OR for example being in Tennessee and being called East Tennessee. We should just become Carolina Univeristy of the East similar to Swanee University of the South. We would be the University of the East, but for Athletics known as Carolina Pirates.

Hard to stop a school called Carolina with a large enrollment and great football support out of the SEC if they decide to expand. However if we brand ourselves as ECU we will never be anything more then a G5, we will just be another directional school hiding behind an acronym, like MTSU, UAB, WKU, UNT, UTSA, UTEP, FIU, FAU, USA, USM, etc.

Acronym schools are not the norm in P5 way more in the G5 then P5. Let's see how many P5 schools use an acronym for main branding.
1) USC
2) UCLA
3) TCU
4) LSU

A total of four where two are in a huge state and happen to be located in Los Angeles and have been power players since the beginning. The third is a recent move up to P5 that is a smaller private school happened to be located in another huge state of Texas and located in Dallas-Ft Worth Market. Also happens to be purple and _CU (seems like they beat us to it). The fourth happens to be Louisiana State University and they just prefer to go by an acronym. They also happen to be a life long member of the best football conference.

The point being if you are going to rebrand the best is to rename instead of using an acronym as an a directional school acronym doesn't make it to the P5.

thats because a majority of P5 schools are large landgrant schools and state flagships. They sound better than a directional school to the average fan. Florida vs Central Florida. Its the state's name or state's name followed by state. If any of the schools in G5 were the state's name they'd use that too (see new mexico, or new mexico state). Problem is a lot of G5 are directional schools which have a negative connotation. Just the facts.

FSU goes by FSU rather than florida state, at least among any fsu fan I know.

Yea they call themselves that but the school still markets and brands itself as Florida State as seen with name on tv, logos, etc.

(06-08-2017 09:59 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Branding and marketing is simple you want people to know instantly what you selling and what you are. Going by ECU Pirates tell people no idea where you are located and that an ECU is? Going by East Carolina tells people oh hey that school is located in the Carolinas. Which is great for us because people love visiting and living in the Carolinas and help us get out of state students. WE should rebrand as 'Carolina Pirates' for athletics and rename the university Carolina University of the East.

This is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard of.

(06-08-2017 09:57 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  If want to get into a better conference branding as ECU is not the answer and will put us for ever in a G5 conference.

You think the name matters?

Easy Carolina

(06-08-2017 10:35 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 09:57 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  If want to get into a better conference branding as ECU is not the answer and will put us for ever in a G5 conference.

You think the name matters?

The name matters that's why Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati will get taken first. They have brands.

(06-08-2017 11:19 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 10:35 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 09:57 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  If want to get into a better conference branding as ECU is not the answer and will put us for ever in a G5 conference.

You think the name matters?

The name matters that's why Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati will get taken first. They have brands.

it certainly explains why they are still here or why UCF (no name) and USF were taken ahead of Memphis by the Big East.......

not