(06-06-2017 01:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If you break the state of Texas in half, the western half of the state have these major cities.

El Paso
Odessa/Midland (UTPB just added football recently and have a high student population explosion after adding football, Friday Night Lights fame and football crazy town)
San Angelo (Angelo State could thrive at D1 since no pro sports in town)
Abilene (Abilene Christian does not have any pro competition either.)
Lubbock (Lubbock Christian is at D2 level with no football, would be interested in a cross town rival in basketball with Texas Tech if they go D1)
Amarillo (they have no pro teams, and no college team. The local team for them is in Canyon which seems to become a suburb of Amarillo in recent years, and the school is West Texas A&M.)

UTEP, UTPB, Angelo State, Abilene Christian, Texas Tech, Lubbock Christian, West Texas A&M, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne and Sul Ross State all could benefit with each other at the D1 level. For schedule reasons, and short travel for the fans to go to games. West Texas is a hotbed for raw football talent. Not all of the talent from there could go and start at all the universities in the state.

None of those are major cities. All small/mid sized cities of 100-200K with the exception of El Paso. And they are spread out over an enormous territory to boot.

What is wrong with UTEP. VERY remote. A days drive or more from other major populations centers. Very few recruits. Hard to convince recruits to travel a bazillion miles to El Paso and play. They might as well be in Tucson Arizona from the other major metro areas of Texas.

(06-05-2017 06:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UTEP needs to take UTSA with them and join the MWC as 13 and 14. members. Being in the same conference with North Texas, FIU and FAU brings down the moral of the fans.

What's in it for UTSA? UTSA is a 10-12 hour drive from El Paso and much further from the next closest MWC school. Right now, UTSA is in a division with UNT (a budding rivalry) and Rice. Both a stone's throw from San Antonio (by Texas travel terms).

(06-06-2017 02:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 06:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UTEP needs to take UTSA with them and join the MWC as 13 and 14. members. Being in the same conference with North Texas, FIU and FAU brings down the moral of the fans.

What's in it for UTSA? UTSA is a 10-12 hour drive from El Paso and much further from the next closest MWC school. Right now, UTSA is in a division with UNT (a budding rivalry) and Rice. Both a stone's throw from San Antonio (by Texas travel terms).

Not that it makes a difference but it's 8 hours from EP to SA. Your point stil stands of course.

(06-06-2017 02:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 06:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UTEP needs to take UTSA with them and join the MWC as 13 and 14. members. Being in the same conference with North Texas, FIU and FAU brings down the moral of the fans.

What's in it for UTSA? UTSA is a 10-12 hour drive from El Paso and much further from the next closest MWC school. Right now, UTSA is in a division with UNT (a budding rivalry) and Rice. Both a stone's throw from San Antonio (by Texas travel terms).

About one million dollars more in tv revenue. The opportunity to have a good season and be in the NYB conversation.

(06-06-2017 02:36 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 02:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 06:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UTEP needs to take UTSA with them and join the MWC as 13 and 14. members. Being in the same conference with North Texas, FIU and FAU brings down the moral of the fans.

What's in it for UTSA? UTSA is a 10-12 hour drive from El Paso and much further from the next closest MWC school. Right now, UTSA is in a division with UNT (a budding rivalry) and Rice. Both a stone's throw from San Antonio (by Texas travel terms).

Not that it makes a difference but it's 8 hours from EP to SA. Your point stil stands of course.

OK, I exaggerated. Point is, it's a long way. 550 miles one way.

(06-06-2017 02:06 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 01:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If you break the state of Texas in half, the western half of the state have these major cities.

El Paso
Odessa/Midland (UTPB just added football recently and have a high student population explosion after adding football, Friday Night Lights fame and football crazy town)
San Angelo (Angelo State could thrive at D1 since no pro sports in town)
Abilene (Abilene Christian does not have any pro competition either.)
Lubbock (Lubbock Christian is at D2 level with no football, would be interested in a cross town rival in basketball with Texas Tech if they go D1)
Amarillo (they have no pro teams, and no college team. The local team for them is in Canyon which seems to become a suburb of Amarillo in recent years, and the school is West Texas A&M.)

UTEP, UTPB, Angelo State, Abilene Christian, Texas Tech, Lubbock Christian, West Texas A&M, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne and Sul Ross State all could benefit with each other at the D1 level. For schedule reasons, and short travel for the fans to go to games. West Texas is a hotbed for raw football talent. Not all of the talent from there could go and start at all the universities in the state.

None of those are major cities. All small/mid sized cities of 100-200K with the exception of El Paso. And they are spread out over an enormous territory to boot.

If you look at it? UTEP and Texas Tech are on an island by themselves in FBS for the state of Texas. Sul Ross State and UTPB are closer to UTEP for all sports. Texas Tech would have West Texas A&M,Abilene Christian, Hardin Simmons and UTPB close to them to travel to.

Still comparing those cities to small cities that I live in? Those cities are larger and more metro than the cities that I lived in with 1000 or less in population.

(06-06-2017 02:45 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 02:36 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 02:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 06:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UTEP needs to take UTSA with them and join the MWC as 13 and 14. members. Being in the same conference with North Texas, FIU and FAU brings down the moral of the fans.

What's in it for UTSA? UTSA is a 10-12 hour drive from El Paso and much further from the next closest MWC school. Right now, UTSA is in a division with UNT (a budding rivalry) and Rice. Both a stone's throw from San Antonio (by Texas travel terms).

Not that it makes a difference but it's 8 hours from EP to SA. Your point stil stands of course.

OK, I exaggerated. Point is, it's a long way. 550 miles one way.

The way I-10 is driven west of SA, that is like 5 hours, tops :)

(06-06-2017 01:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  ...

UTEP, UTPB, Angelo State, Abilene Christian, Texas Tech, Lubbock Christian, West Texas A&M, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne and Sul Ross State all could benefit with each other at the D1 level. For schedule reasons, and short travel for the fans to go to games. West Texas is a hotbed for raw football talent. Not all of the talent from there could go and start at all the universities in the state.

Stop. Your fantasy call-ups have no relevance.

To the topic: I have seen information that UTEP wanted to be a founding Mountain West member and have tried for membership a couple times since but the MW denies them every time. Outsiders see the MW / UTEP as a no-brainer, what is stopping UTEP from getting in? I believe they would be better if they were in the MW than CUSA.

(06-06-2017 02:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 02:45 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 02:36 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 02:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 06:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UTEP needs to take UTSA with them and join the MWC as 13 and 14. members. Being in the same conference with North Texas, FIU and FAU brings down the moral of the fans.

What's in it for UTSA? UTSA is a 10-12 hour drive from El Paso and much further from the next closest MWC school. Right now, UTSA is in a division with UNT (a budding rivalry) and Rice. Both a stone's throw from San Antonio (by Texas travel terms).

Not that it makes a difference but it's 8 hours from EP to SA. Your point stil stands of course.

OK, I exaggerated. Point is, it's a long way. 550 miles one way.

The way I-10 is driven west of SA, that is like 5 hours, tops :)

Yeah, I forgot the speed limit is about 80-85 on that part of I-10, which means the average person is driving about 95. Heck, I took the toll road around Austin (speed limits of 80 and 85) and there were people were going well over 100. No joke.

(06-06-2017 12:55 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  I have heard New Mexico was formed because Texas did not want the east portion of the state and Az. Didn't want the West, this is believable to me after driving thru it.


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Northeast New Mexico is actually one of my favorite places to drive around and explore. Even away from the Rockies and Sangre de Christos, it's a rugged plain with many mesas. Quite different from West Texas. Route 456 across the top, Route 104 from Tucumcari to Las Vegas, the Canadian River Valley. A number of dramatic routes from the east and south into Taos.

Just fill up at every available gas station, of course. There may not be another one.

You got that right, try to carry a 5 gallon fuel can, a big back pack with lots of water and some beer too I do and it just makes me feel like I don't have to worry
I've make mistakes and am still alive
Many stories there but that's a different thread

(06-06-2017 02:59 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 01:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  ...

UTEP, UTPB, Angelo State, Abilene Christian, Texas Tech, Lubbock Christian, West Texas A&M, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne and Sul Ross State all could benefit with each other at the D1 level. For schedule reasons, and short travel for the fans to go to games. West Texas is a hotbed for raw football talent. Not all of the talent from there could go and start at all the universities in the state.

Stop. Your fantasy call-ups have no relevance.

To the topic: I have seen information that UTEP wanted to be a founding Mountain West member and have tried for membership a couple times since but the MW denies them every time. Outsiders see the MW / UTEP as a no-brainer, what is stopping UTEP from getting in? I believe they would be better if they were in the MW than CUSA.

someone said that el paso is not truly in the west ?, el paso and Denver are equal distance in the west, Denver being in the heart of the rockies and el paso in some much older worn down mountians not considered the rockies

It's easy to spot the posters on here who know about West Texas, El Paso etc and those who don't. You have to go to El Paso to know. It's nothing at all like east or central Texas. It's nothing like Amarillo, Lubbick, Midland Odessa. I go with another rule about what's Southern as well. The y'all rule. Only people saying y'all in El Paso saying y'all are soldiers at Bliss from somewhere else. Also the chili chilie rule. There is Texas kind and New Mexico Green or Red. El Paso has the latter. Folks in East Texas probably don't even know what I'm talking about.

I think people on here do not know the economics and all that about saving money and so forth. The model for C-USA, Big 12 and AAC will not last for a long time. NCAA D1 needs to change which includes adding more teams to D1, and more teams to FBS. Even Sun Belt will not last with their model. As is, UTEP, New Mexico State, New Mexico and Texas Tech including Wyoming can' throw money around like they are right now. They will not make money as is. West Texas A&M is a like minded institute with UTEP. Fantasy or not, the change will be coming to allow more schools to join FBS and D1.

(06-06-2017 04:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It's easy to spot the posters on here who know about West Texas, El Paso etc and those who don't. You have to go to El Paso to know. It's nothing at all like east or central Texas. It's nothing like Amarillo, Lubbick, Midland Odessa. I go with another rule about what's Southern as well. The y'all rule. Only people saying y'all in El Paso saying y'all are soldiers at Bliss from somewhere else. Also the chili chilie rule. There is Texas kind and New Mexico Green or Red. El Paso has the latter. Folks in East Texas probably don't even know what I'm talking about.

acuna is the same unique kinda way, zz top has a good ole red neck boarder song,...."Mexican Blackbird", mybe a bit racist today but still makes me want drink some brew and jump in the old Chrysler and head for the boarder and put in an order or two...
just say'n

(06-06-2017 01:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If you break the state of Texas in half, the western half of the state have these major cities.

El Paso
Odessa/Midland (UTPB just added football recently and have a high student population explosion after adding football, Friday Night Lights fame and football crazy town)
San Angelo (Angelo State could thrive at D1 since no pro sports in town)
Abilene (Abilene Christian does not have any pro competition either.)
Lubbock (Lubbock Christian is at D2 level with no football, would be interested in a cross town rival in basketball with Texas Tech if they go D1)
Amarillo (they have no pro teams, and no college team. The local team for them is in Canyon which seems to become a suburb of Amarillo in recent years, and the school is West Texas A&M.)

UTEP, UTPB, Angelo State, Abilene Christian, Texas Tech, Lubbock Christian, West Texas A&M, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne and Sul Ross State all could benefit with each other at the D1 level. For schedule reasons, and short travel for the fans to go to games. West Texas is a hotbed for raw football talent. Not all of the talent from there could go and start at all the universities in the state.

I'm old enough to remember UTEP (then TWC) playing FB games vs TT, West Texas St, Hardin-Simmons, etc. Long time ago but they also played Arizona and Arizona St in the old Border Conference.

(06-06-2017 05:12 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 01:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If you break the state of Texas in half, the western half of the state have these major cities.

El Paso
Odessa/Midland (UTPB just added football recently and have a high student population explosion after adding football, Friday Night Lights fame and football crazy town)
San Angelo (Angelo State could thrive at D1 since no pro sports in town)
Abilene (Abilene Christian does not have any pro competition either.)
Lubbock (Lubbock Christian is at D2 level with no football, would be interested in a cross town rival in basketball with Texas Tech if they go D1)
Amarillo (they have no pro teams, and no college team. The local team for them is in Canyon which seems to become a suburb of Amarillo in recent years, and the school is West Texas A&M.)

UTEP, UTPB, Angelo State, Abilene Christian, Texas Tech, Lubbock Christian, West Texas A&M, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne and Sul Ross State all could benefit with each other at the D1 level. For schedule reasons, and short travel for the fans to go to games. West Texas is a hotbed for raw football talent. Not all of the talent from there could go and start at all the universities in the state.

I'm old enough to remember UTEP (then TWC) playing FB games vs TT, West Texas St, Hardin-Simmons, etc. Long time ago but they also played Arizona and Arizona St in the old Border Conference.

And NAU :)

(06-06-2017 05:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 05:12 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 01:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If you break the state of Texas in half, the western half of the state have these major cities.

El Paso
Odessa/Midland (UTPB just added football recently and have a high student population explosion after adding football, Friday Night Lights fame and football crazy town)
San Angelo (Angelo State could thrive at D1 since no pro sports in town)
Abilene (Abilene Christian does not have any pro competition either.)
Lubbock (Lubbock Christian is at D2 level with no football, would be interested in a cross town rival in basketball with Texas Tech if they go D1)
Amarillo (they have no pro teams, and no college team. The local team for them is in Canyon which seems to become a suburb of Amarillo in recent years, and the school is West Texas A&M.)

UTEP, UTPB, Angelo State, Abilene Christian, Texas Tech, Lubbock Christian, West Texas A&M, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne and Sul Ross State all could benefit with each other at the D1 level. For schedule reasons, and short travel for the fans to go to games. West Texas is a hotbed for raw football talent. Not all of the talent from there could go and start at all the universities in the state.

I'm old enough to remember UTEP (then TWC) playing FB games vs TT, West Texas St, Hardin-Simmons, etc. Long time ago but they also played Arizona and Arizona St in the old Border Conference.

And NAU :)

I went to an ASU wrestling camp held at NAU in high school. Beautiful campus. NAU has beaten one of Arizona, ASU, UNM and NMSU in football post border conference days right?

(06-06-2017 05:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 05:12 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 01:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If you break the state of Texas in half, the western half of the state have these major cities.

El Paso
Odessa/Midland (UTPB just added football recently and have a high student population explosion after adding football, Friday Night Lights fame and football crazy town)
San Angelo (Angelo State could thrive at D1 since no pro sports in town)
Abilene (Abilene Christian does not have any pro competition either.)
Lubbock (Lubbock Christian is at D2 level with no football, would be interested in a cross town rival in basketball with Texas Tech if they go D1)
Amarillo (they have no pro teams, and no college team. The local team for them is in Canyon which seems to become a suburb of Amarillo in recent years, and the school is West Texas A&M.)

UTEP, UTPB, Angelo State, Abilene Christian, Texas Tech, Lubbock Christian, West Texas A&M, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne and Sul Ross State all could benefit with each other at the D1 level. For schedule reasons, and short travel for the fans to go to games. West Texas is a hotbed for raw football talent. Not all of the talent from there could go and start at all the universities in the state.

I'm old enough to remember UTEP (then TWC) playing FB games vs TT, West Texas St, Hardin-Simmons, etc. Long time ago but they also played Arizona and Arizona St in the old Border Conference.

And NAU :)

Yes. Who could forget the big games between Arizona State Teachers Flagstaff and Texas College of Mines! The olden days.

I believe your team is coming to the Sun Bowl in 2018, right?