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RE: North Texas/Houston Sign 2 Game Series
(06-07-2017 10:18 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
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(06-07-2017 10:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Oklahoma State, Texas Tech or even Kansas State would have generated more interest and also a P5 opponent that many were hoping for. Only reason to drop Army would be for P5 IMO.

The basis of your theory is flawed. They didn't drop Army for UH. They dropped them for Liberty.

Not to get in the middle of your argument, but North Texas only added the Liberty series because we needed to free up the dates for the Houston series, once Army agreed to drop their games. Liberty was really the only option based on the short notice.

For the record, I have it on good word that our AD isn't finished adjusting our schedules. A P5 series isn;t out of the question at this point.

Glad to hear SideJoe.

UH is a good G5 addition to the schedule, no question. But dropping Army to add a G5 such as UH even with their recent success.
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(06-07-2017 10:25 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 10:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Oklahoma State, Texas Tech or even Kansas State would have generated more interest and also a P5 opponent that many were hoping for. Only reason to drop Army would be for P5 IMO.

in texas (with the G5s), only a fool would pick pick army over houston...you have no clue about this topic.

okstate only does 2 &1s with g5, but ill give you oklahoma state but in texas on the average year houston would draw more than kstate and with texas tech it 50/50

houston drew more than 3k more for utsa than kstate on a year we werent great...
but i acknowledge how the teams are doing will play into it with texas tech and kstate.. and top 15/20 kstate will probably out draw us ..and ranked texas tech...but you black and white p5 state is absurd...when the data clear shows otherwise
and im talkng real data not your made up ones

I disagree. Army had 16-18k fans in a multiple rain delayed game against Tech in Dallas. Vets came out from all over the DFW area to watch the game. Granted UNT has played Army twice last year, A home against one the service academies is a win situation for any G5 school.

If Tech could get Air Force at home that would be huge for local interest much more so than G5 UH. Sorry that upsets you so much
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(06-07-2017 10:17 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Cue the P6 trolls

That is not a bad one I will give you that 02-13-banana
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(06-07-2017 10:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 09:14 AM)pesik Wrote:  
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(06-06-2017 09:03 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Not really, Army would have brought out a much better crowd and local fan interest than Houston. Nobody cares about Houston in DFW

outside of texas (& west louisana) id agree but you have zero clue if you think this is true within texas...vs Houston is top 4 attended if not #1 for every g5 texas team...

we bring the most fans of any teams willing to travel to their stadium, about 3-5k.
i guarantee youd have said the same thing that nobody cares about houston in the austin area...except our game was completely sold out for texas state and had 3k people in standing room only (highest attended game ever for texas state)

houston vs unt is still unt's most attended game ever
not including utsa first ever year, where every game was doing crazy numbers, we are the #4 most attended home utsa game outside of year 1 (arizona beat us by a 100 people, another was a top 10 Oklahoma st)

you have zero clue about what you are talking about..unt, utsa texas state have all claimed they want to be rivals with us, their fans come out of the woodworks to trash talk whenever we play them..san antonios mayor makes a jersey bet with houstons mayor everytime we play...

We all believe Houston would generate more interest than Norte Dame, Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Michigan. What about UT, A&M? When you talk about bringing in a splashy opponent UH is way down the list.

More people watch SEC and Big 12 in Houston than UH (proven by top 20 chart) much less in DFW where UH is just an after thought. For a regional G5 opponent, yes Houston is good opponent but nowhere near the opponent UNT fans were expecting. I'm sure it will be a decent crowd with the local UH alumni but so would Army. And Army would have generated interest among local Vets, soldiers from Fort Hood and they could have a military appreciation day and showcased their university for potential students.

Ruston is not much further than Denton and Houston brought a smaller crowd than quite a few regional G5 opponents

BTW You are referring to UNT first game ever in their new stadium. It wasn't because they were playing UH, yeah you forgot to mention that part 03-lmfao

1) first of "Norte Dame, Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Michigan. What about UT, A&M?"..i clearly wrote "teams willing to travel to their stadium"..not a single one of those teams are touching their stadiums..

2) why do you make up BS..houston oklahoma was rated higher in the houston area than Texa ND (which was the highest rated game nationally that season)..you literally make up BS every time we debate ...i really dont feel like looking it up but when the whole big 12 fiasco was happening every houston fan posted an article that showed 3 houston games (2 vs g5) rated higher than all but 2 big 12 games (for all 14 teams).. houston owned the houston market....your top 20 charts statement is a lie as it supports houston not your made up facts

3) houston oklahoma, had dominant dfw ratings (almost 300k) and before you state that it was because of Oklahoma, we drew over a 100k more viewers in dfw than oklahoma/tcu..and the dfw rating site is pretty trash and hard to navigate but i i couldnt find any tcu/baylor/texas tech game that rated higher (including vs oklahoma) the last 2 years
http://www.unclebarky.com/dfw_files/arch...-2016.html

4) so we are just going to pretend UH/la tech didnt do 24k (and at the time of the game no one thought we were good)... la tech struggles to do 24k now and your team is drastically better, literally the year before you could only muster 23k for a top 5 boise

if we played at la tech next season, with both of us being perceived as good, we both know it would likely crack top 5 attended la tech games ever

5) and yes it was UNTs first game at the new stadium, what you are missing is that they desperately wanted us to open it.. that they were looking for a big opponent to open and were basically praising us for coming...i can almost guarantee the 2019 game will be their second best attended game ever

every time we talk, its almost built on animosity and not facts

This is 100% false.

When North Texas was building Apogee, Houston wanted to be the first opponent. The Houston AD desperately wanted to use this game to pressure U of H donors and fans into funding a new Houston stadium. North Texas didn't have to host Houston in that game. North Texas had other options.

thats is completely incorrect...

why would anyone in houston in any way shape or form alter our plans simply because we were playing in your stadium????

and if you had other options why did you only sign with houston 6 months prior to the actual game... you broke ground in 2009..
if you had better option why is houston till this day still your best OOC opponent to step into apogee (yes better than Indiana)

the decison to build our stadium already happened before we ever even played that game

common snese alone makes your statement not true..

i was looking for the article but i cant find it, it was that UNT was looking for a bigger opponent than houston but couldnt land any of the p5 and then pushed for houston

i find it almost humorous that you think our ulterior motives would somehow have influence on unt stadium opening that had a hundred million invested in it...

your AD Rick Villarreal tried to extend the series we declined
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(06-07-2017 10:45 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 10:25 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 10:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Oklahoma State, Texas Tech or even Kansas State would have generated more interest and also a P5 opponent that many were hoping for. Only reason to drop Army would be for P5 IMO.

in texas (with the G5s), only a fool would pick pick army over houston...you have no clue about this topic.

okstate only does 2 &1s with g5, but ill give you oklahoma state but in texas on the average year houston would draw more than kstate and with texas tech it 50/50

houston drew more than 3k more for utsa than kstate on a year we werent great...
but i acknowledge how the teams are doing will play into it with texas tech and kstate.. and top 15/20 kstate will probably out draw us ..and ranked texas tech...but you black and white p5 state is absurd...when the data clear shows otherwise
and im talkng real data not your made up ones

I disagree. Army had 16-18k fans in a multiple rain delayed game against Tech in Dallas. Vets came out from all over the DFW area to watch the game. Granted UNT has played Army twice last year, A home against one the service academies is a win situation for any G5 school.

If Tech could get Air Force at home that would be huge for local interest much more so than G5 UH. Sorry that upsets you so much

FROM A BOWL GAME!!!!! A BOWL GAME!!!!
you logic on this is so flawed
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(06-07-2017 11:04 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 10:45 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 10:25 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 10:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Oklahoma State, Texas Tech or even Kansas State would have generated more interest and also a P5 opponent that many were hoping for. Only reason to drop Army would be for P5 IMO.

in texas (with the G5s), only a fool would pick pick army over houston...you have no clue about this topic.

okstate only does 2 &1s with g5, but ill give you oklahoma state but in texas on the average year houston would draw more than kstate and with texas tech it 50/50

houston drew more than 3k more for utsa than kstate on a year we werent great...
but i acknowledge how the teams are doing will play into it with texas tech and kstate.. and top 15/20 kstate will probably out draw us ..and ranked texas tech...but you black and white p5 state is absurd...when the data clear shows otherwise
and im talkng real data not your made up ones

I disagree. Army had 16-18k fans in a multiple rain delayed game against Tech in Dallas. Vets came out from all over the DFW area to watch the game. Granted UNT has played Army twice last year, A home against one the service academies is a win situation for any G5 school.

If Tech could get Air Force at home that would be huge for local interest much more so than G5 UH. Sorry that upsets you so much

FROM A BOWL GAME!!!!! A BOWL GAME!!!!
you logic on this is so flawed

Sorry Pesik It wasn't a bowl game. Just a regular season game
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(06-07-2017 11:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  [Image: wp-1464105180312.jpg]

That is not a fair comparison, those were the only games we had on (other than the bowl game) on either ESPN or one of the large networks (like every other of thise 20 games)

I think some of the games we had on ESPN 2 did pretty well, as did the bowl game
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(06-07-2017 11:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  [Image: wp-1464105180312.jpg]

this is 2015, but you realize houston is a team 1 and the big 12 and sec is a conference (10 or 15)

this chart is pro houston not against....the only games that topped us had national title implication

while houston vs g5 teams playing for an access bowl topped most of the big 12

what would happen if national title implications were on the line vs a power team ..oh right that happened
houston vs oklahoma had a 12.8 local houston rating

4 points higher than any game in that list you named
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(06-07-2017 11:06 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 11:04 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 10:45 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 10:25 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 10:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Oklahoma State, Texas Tech or even Kansas State would have generated more interest and also a P5 opponent that many were hoping for. Only reason to drop Army would be for P5 IMO.

in texas (with the G5s), only a fool would pick pick army over houston...you have no clue about this topic.

okstate only does 2 &1s with g5, but ill give you oklahoma state but in texas on the average year houston would draw more than kstate and with texas tech it 50/50

houston drew more than 3k more for utsa than kstate on a year we werent great...
but i acknowledge how the teams are doing will play into it with texas tech and kstate.. and top 15/20 kstate will probably out draw us ..and ranked texas tech...but you black and white p5 state is absurd...when the data clear shows otherwise
and im talkng real data not your made up ones

I disagree. Army had 16-18k fans in a multiple rain delayed game against Tech in Dallas. Vets came out from all over the DFW area to watch the game. Granted UNT has played Army twice last year, A home against one the service academies is a win situation for any G5 school.

If Tech could get Air Force at home that would be huge for local interest much more so than G5 UH. Sorry that upsets you so much

FROM A BOWL GAME!!!!! A BOWL GAME!!!!
you logic on this is so flawed

Sorry Pesik It wasn't a bowl game. Just a regular season game
i thought you were talking about the Heart of dallas bowl they had with unt.....it was still a preplanned classic..18k with almost 1.5 years worth of time to prep isnt exactly shocking

again in not saying we have a bigger fan base than army..but within texas its houston..rice/army did 24k total
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(06-06-2017 10:17 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  
(06-06-2017 01:51 PM)IAH Wrote:  Same here, I rather go to a Houston vs Boise game than Kansas. A couple years ago we played Vandy and it as was not a well attended game, there was a lot more interest in any of the conference games

Kansas played @ Memphis last year. At 34,000 it was the lowest attended home game. SE Missouri State was a bigger draw.

My comment was in regards to 'recognition' by the CF world, not attendance. If you want to say your the best of the G5, then play against the best G5 teams. If you want to say you are as good if not better than a lot of P5 teams, then you have to play P5 teams.

As far as attendance goes, the crowd at USM would be larger playing Jackson State than Houston. And that is no knock on Houston.

I also don't get the point about Kansas being your lowest attended game when you only had 2k more attend the Houston game. By far, your highest attended game was Southeast Missouri State last season. Not knocking your attendance, just applying your logic, which means your fans were more interested in seeing Memphis play an FCS team than AAC teams. Which in reality I highly doubt was true.
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(06-07-2017 11:03 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 10:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 09:14 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 08:17 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(06-07-2017 12:58 AM)pesik Wrote:  outside of texas (& west louisana) id agree but you have zero clue if you think this is true within texas...vs Houston is top 4 attended if not #1 for every g5 texas team...

we bring the most fans of any teams willing to travel to their stadium, about 3-5k.
i guarantee youd have said the same thing that nobody cares about houston in the austin area...except our game was completely sold out for texas state and had 3k people in standing room only (highest attended game ever for texas state)

houston vs unt is still unt's most attended game ever
not including utsa first ever year, where every game was doing crazy numbers, we are the #4 most attended home utsa game outside of year 1 (arizona beat us by a 100 people, another was a top 10 Oklahoma st)

you have zero clue about what you are talking about..unt, utsa texas state have all claimed they want to be rivals with us, their fans come out of the woodworks to trash talk whenever we play them..san antonios mayor makes a jersey bet with houstons mayor everytime we play...

We all believe Houston would generate more interest than Norte Dame, Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Michigan. What about UT, A&M? When you talk about bringing in a splashy opponent UH is way down the list.

More people watch SEC and Big 12 in Houston than UH (proven by top 20 chart) much less in DFW where UH is just an after thought. For a regional G5 opponent, yes Houston is good opponent but nowhere near the opponent UNT fans were expecting. I'm sure it will be a decent crowd with the local UH alumni but so would Army. And Army would have generated interest among local Vets, soldiers from Fort Hood and they could have a military appreciation day and showcased their university for potential students.

Ruston is not much further than Denton and Houston brought a smaller crowd than quite a few regional G5 opponents

BTW You are referring to UNT first game ever in their new stadium. It wasn't because they were playing UH, yeah you forgot to mention that part 03-lmfao

1) first of "Norte Dame, Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Michigan. What about UT, A&M?"..i clearly wrote "teams willing to travel to their stadium"..not a single one of those teams are touching their stadiums..

2) why do you make up BS..houston oklahoma was rated higher in the houston area than Texa ND (which was the highest rated game nationally that season)..you literally make up BS every time we debate ...i really dont feel like looking it up but when the whole big 12 fiasco was happening every houston fan posted an article that showed 3 houston games (2 vs g5) rated higher than all but 2 big 12 games (for all 14 teams).. houston owned the houston market....your top 20 charts statement is a lie as it supports houston not your made up facts

3) houston oklahoma, had dominant dfw ratings (almost 300k) and before you state that it was because of Oklahoma, we drew over a 100k more viewers in dfw than oklahoma/tcu..and the dfw rating site is pretty trash and hard to navigate but i i couldnt find any tcu/baylor/texas tech game that rated higher (including vs oklahoma) the last 2 years
http://www.unclebarky.com/dfw_files/arch...-2016.html

4) so we are just going to pretend UH/la tech didnt do 24k (and at the time of the game no one thought we were good)... la tech struggles to do 24k now and your team is drastically better, literally the year before you could only muster 23k for a top 5 boise

if we played at la tech next season, with both of us being perceived as good, we both know it would likely crack top 5 attended la tech games ever

5) and yes it was UNTs first game at the new stadium, what you are missing is that they desperately wanted us to open it.. that they were looking for a big opponent to open and were basically praising us for coming...i can almost guarantee the 2019 game will be their second best attended game ever

every time we talk, its almost built on animosity and not facts

This is 100% false.

When North Texas was building Apogee, Houston wanted to be the first opponent. The Houston AD desperately wanted to use this game to pressure U of H donors and fans into funding a new Houston stadium. North Texas didn't have to host Houston in that game. North Texas had other options.

thats is completely incorrect...

why would anyone in houston in any way shape or form alter our plans simply because we were playing in your stadium????

and if you had other options why did you only sign with houston 6 months prior to the actual game... you broke ground in 2009..
if you had better option why is houston till this day still your best OOC opponent to step into apogee (yes better than Indiana)

the decison to build our stadium already happened before we ever even played that game


common snese alone makes your statement not true..

i was looking for the article but i cant find it, it was that UNT was looking for a bigger opponent than houston but couldnt land any of the p5 and then pushed for houston

i find it almost humorous that you think our ulterior motives would somehow have influence on unt stadium opening that had a hundred million invested in it...

your AD Rick Villarreal tried to extend the series we declined

Houston had been wanting to build a new stadium, but they needed money to make it happen. Playing at North Texas allowed the Houston AD to solicit major backers for funding. I was there. I saw the Houston fans clamoring for the university to move forward with their stadium project. Yes, Houston wanted a new stadium, but they didn't get serious about it until after playing at Apogee. Remember, Houston played us in September 2011. Houston didn't break ground on TDECU until February 2013. That is a year and a half after our game.

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The official announcement for the stadium was 2 months before the unt game was ever Played
(August 11), Feasibility study was done in 2009, official plans were put forth in 2010...

Breaking ground was even after the demolition of the old stadium .. using that as a reference date makes no sense

The timeline doesn't fit your narrative...

This game was scheduled in March 2011, 5 months before the game..for your stadium opening, when you had over 2 years to prep/schedule
UNT has also struggled badly in getting teams to apogee...
Anyone not biased can see who was the one desperate..If you had other options youd have scheduled them for another year
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(06-07-2017 12:18 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  
(06-06-2017 10:17 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  
(06-06-2017 01:51 PM)IAH Wrote:  Same here, I rather go to a Houston vs Boise game than Kansas. A couple years ago we played Vandy and it as was not a well attended game, there was a lot more interest in any of the conference games

Kansas played @ Memphis last year. At 34,000 it was the lowest attended home game. SE Missouri State was a bigger draw.

My comment was in regards to 'recognition' by the CF world, not attendance. If you want to say your the best of the G5, then play against the best G5 teams. If you want to say you are as good if not better than a lot of P5 teams, then you have to play P5 teams.

As far as attendance goes, the crowd at USM would be larger playing Jackson State than Houston. And that is no knock on Houston.

I also don't get the point about Kansas being your lowest attended game when you only had 2k more attend the Houston game. By far, your highest attended game was Southeast Missouri State last season. Not knocking your attendance, just applying your logic, which means your fans were more interested in seeing Memphis play an FCS team than AAC teams. Which in reality I highly doubt was true.

My point is that I agreed with the Houston poster who stated that playing schools such as Kansas or Vandy (Vandy for Memphis would because of in-state) doesn't excite the fanbase. Regarding your bolded statement, I don't think beating a P5 such as Kansas brings any respect. If used as bragging rights, most schools would laugh at the thought that it meant anything at all. Tulane would most likely be favored. If Kansas played at Hattiesburg, you would be up by 40 at the half and the fans would head for the exits by the 3rd quarter. Same thing if the game was at Lawrence.
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It is funny watching UNT fans trying to bash UH. I love when UTSA plays Houston. I liked the series even before I moved to the The Woodlands(Houston area).
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(06-08-2017 11:08 PM)Irish Rowdy Wrote:  It is funny watching UNT fans trying to bash UH. I love when UTSA plays Houston. I liked the series even before I moved to the The Woodlands(Houston area).

I have not read a post on here where any North Texas fan has bashed UH. North Texas fans are happy we are renewing this old series (started in 1947). North Texas fans are just remarking that this isn't a P5 series. Which it isn't. That isn't bashing.
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(06-08-2017 11:08 PM)Irish Rowdy Wrote:  It is funny watching UNT fans trying to bash UH. I love when UTSA plays Houston. I liked the series even before I moved to the The Woodlands(Houston area).

Your post reads like a 3rd grade homework assignment:

Irish Rowdy: "I like trees. I like house. I liked trees even before I lived in house."
Teacher: "Oh yes...good job little buddy! You're going to so great in 4th grade."

How did UNT fans bash UH? Why would that be funny if it were the case? Why did you like the series before you moved to The Woodlands? How could you add context to make your post more cohesive?

These are just some questions to consider answering for next time.
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RE: North Texas/Houston Sign 2 Game Series
(06-08-2017 11:08 PM)Irish Rowdy Wrote:  It is funny watching UNT fans trying to bash UH. I love when UTSA plays Houston. I liked the series even before I moved to the The Woodlands(Houston area).

Are you paying attention AT ALL? I haven't seen a single UNT fan bash UH in this thread. I HAVE seen LA Tech's Dawgxas wipe the floor with a few UH fans though. 03-lmfao
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RE: North Texas/Houston Sign 2 Game Series
(06-11-2017 12:54 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I've always liked the name " mean green"

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