(06-07-2017 03:54 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  But...but just recently, The Univ of Wisconsin Madison has said that blacks should be able to communicate in Ebonics because learning the King's English is Too Difficult.... for them.

Tis true... Literacy is racist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/nyreg....html?_r=0

(06-07-2017 10:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  One last point w.r.t. "kids will start picking it up". Yes, true. But, they will also start picking up on the fact that their parents hate each other, and are only not getting a divorce to "stay together for the kids".

This is fair, though as someone who's parents always fought I am better off for them having stayed together.

Quote:They know it's a lie, and they know that there is no love. Kids can pick up on that too.

Love is not just a feeling, it's a verb.... And it can be expressed in many ways.

I think one of the ways we have really failed kids in the past two generations is convince them that marriage and love is some magical Disney experience that is "perfect".

Quote:That's why I am a big proponent of divorce, if the relationship isn't right anymore. I don't believe in living a lie.

What's the lie? My wife and I had a very hard third year of marriage, very hard. It was before we knew she was depressed and all we did was fight about everything. I was kind of a ******* to her as well.

We went to a good marriage counselor and it made a world of difference. We worked through the issues, talked about love how to love and take love from each other.

And really the reason we pushed through long enough to come out the other side is because each of us was raised with the idea of marriage as a sacred thing.

If two people are not "in love" they can find a way to "love" eachother.

(06-07-2017 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 03:13 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Low tax revenue = low schoool quality = poor learning culture = poor academic performance

Create a better environment for minority businesses, artists, and other small entrepreneurs and your tax base will increase. This will passively solve your school system problems.

Regressive anti-business philosophy has a way of destroying neighborhoods.

Low tax revenue could be another way of saying low funding for schools. I'm not sure if that's your implication.

I would hesitate to suggest that funding levels correlate to a school's academic success.

A brief picture: The Memphis TN Metro Area includes eight counties, three of which are in TN.
- Shelby County, TN | 2016 est pop 934,603 | Prop Tax Rate 4.37
- Tipton County, TN | 2016 est pop 61,303 | Prop Tax Rate 2.42
- Fayette County, TN | 2016 est pop 39,590 | Prop Tax Rate 1.74

Memphis is in Shelby County. Memphis has a property tax rate of 3.40.

The combined city/county property tax rate for Memphis, Shelby County is 7.77 which ranks highest in the state.

For decades there were two school districts in Shelby County:
- City of Memphis Schools
- Shelby County Schools

Tennessee school funding comes from three entities. In order of average percentage funding:
- State 46.5%
- Municipality 39.2%
- Federal 14.3%


Fayette and Tipton counties each share a border with Shelby County -- Tipton to the north and Fayette to the east.

Both counties have significantly less tax revenue than Memphis-Shelby and both schools systems are significantly smaller.

2012 Data

Funding Per Student
City of Memphis Schools $11,250
Shelby County Schools $9,318
Tipton County Schools $7,922
Fayette County Schools $9,720

City of Memphis Schools
Schools: 212
Administrators: 464 (2.2 admin / school)
Teachers: 6,755
Students: 101,696
15.1 Student-Teacher Ratio

Shelby County Schools
Schools: 52
Administrators: 169 (3.25 admin / school)
Teachers: 2,742
Students: 45,050
16.4 Student-Teacher Ratio

Tipton County Schools
Schools: 14
Administrators: 51 (3.6 admin / school)
Teachers: 744
Students: 11,437
15.4 Student-Teacher Ratio

Fayette County Schools
Schools: 10
Administrators: 25 (2.5 admin / school)
Teachers: 263
Students: 3,440
13.1 Student-Teacher Ratio



2012 TN Report Cards by System

City of Memphis Schools
Grades 3-8
D Math
F Reading
F Social Studies
F Science

Grades 9-12
16.4 ACT


Fayette County Schools
Grades 3-8
D Math
D Reading
D Social Studies
D Science

Grades 9-12
16.3 ACT


Tipton County Schools
Grades 3-8
A Math
B Reading
B Social Studies
B Science

Grades 9-12
20.1 ACT


Shelby County Schools
Grades 3-8
A Math
A Reading
A Social Studies
A Science

Grades 9-12
20.8 ACT


Both City of Memphis and Fayette County schools perform among the worst in the state while both Tipton County and Shelby County schools perform among the best in the state.


Fayette County and City of Memphis schools are not comparable to each other in multiple attributes so Fayette County Schools commissioned a study which compared itself to other schools systems in the state of similar size and racial demographics in an effort to compare apples to apples.

The result showed that Fayette County had the highest per student funding and the lowest performance.

There are many other factors than available money.


By the way, when reviewing various school system budgets I found that the line items of Salaries and Benefits comprise more than 75% of a school system's budget.

Other line items include Buildings/Property, Bus Maintenance & Fuel, Grounds Maintenance, Food Services, etc.

We're pushing over 90% of the budget and we haven't talked about items used in the classroom such as books, computers, etc.

like I said it's all about the parenting. I'm willing to bet the rate of single parent homes for Memphis city schools is at least twice that of the surrounding areas.

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(06-07-2017 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 03:13 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Low tax revenue = low schoool quality = poor learning culture = poor academic performance

Create a better environment for minority businesses, artists, and other small entrepreneurs and your tax base will increase. This will passively solve your school system problems.

Regressive anti-business philosophy has a way of destroying neighborhoods.

Low tax revenue could be another way of saying low funding for schools. I'm not sure if that's your implication.

I would hesitate to suggest that funding levels correlate to a school's academic success.

A brief picture: The Memphis TN Metro Area includes eight counties, three of which are in TN.
- Shelby County, TN | 2016 est pop 934,603 | Prop Tax Rate 4.37
- Tipton County, TN | 2016 est pop 61,303 | Prop Tax Rate 2.42
- Fayette County, TN | 2016 est pop 39,590 | Prop Tax Rate 1.74

Memphis is in Shelby County. Memphis has a property tax rate of 3.40.

The combined city/county property tax rate for Memphis, Shelby County is 7.77 which ranks highest in the state.

For decades there were two school districts in Shelby County:
- City of Memphis Schools
- Shelby County Schools

Tennessee school funding comes from three entities. In order of average percentage funding:
- State 46.5%
- Municipality 39.2%
- Federal 14.3%


Fayette and Tipton counties each share a border with Shelby County -- Tipton to the north and Fayette to the east.

Both counties have significantly less tax revenue than Memphis-Shelby and both schools systems are significantly smaller.

2012 Data

Funding Per Student
City of Memphis Schools $11,250
Shelby County Schools $9,318
Tipton County Schools $7,922
Fayette County Schools $9,720

City of Memphis Schools
Schools: 212
Administrators: 464 (2.2 admin / school)
Teachers: 6,755
Students: 101,696
15.1 Student-Teacher Ratio

Shelby County Schools
Schools: 52
Administrators: 169 (3.25 admin / school)
Teachers: 2,742
Students: 45,050
16.4 Student-Teacher Ratio

Tipton County Schools
Schools: 14
Administrators: 51 (3.6 admin / school)
Teachers: 744
Students: 11,437
15.4 Student-Teacher Ratio

Fayette County Schools
Schools: 10
Administrators: 25 (2.5 admin / school)
Teachers: 263
Students: 3,440
13.1 Student-Teacher Ratio



2012 TN Report Cards by System

City of Memphis Schools
Grades 3-8
D Math
F Reading
F Social Studies
F Science

Grades 9-12
16.4 ACT


Fayette County Schools
Grades 3-8
D Math
D Reading
D Social Studies
D Science

Grades 9-12
16.3 ACT


Tipton County Schools
Grades 3-8
A Math
B Reading
B Social Studies
B Science

Grades 9-12
20.1 ACT


Shelby County Schools
Grades 3-8
A Math
A Reading
A Social Studies
A Science

Grades 9-12
20.8 ACT


Both City of Memphis and Fayette County schools perform among the worst in the state while both Tipton County and Shelby County schools perform among the best in the state.


Fayette County and City of Memphis schools are not comparable to each other in multiple attributes so Fayette County Schools commissioned a study which compared itself to other schools systems in the state of similar size and racial demographics in an effort to compare apples to apples.

The result showed that Fayette County had the highest per student funding and the lowest performance.

There are many other factors than available money.


By the way, when reviewing various school system budgets I found that the line items of Salaries and Benefits comprise more than 75% of a school system's budget.

Other line items include Buildings/Property, Bus Maintenance & Fuel, Grounds Maintenance, Food Services, etc.

We're pushing over 90% of the budget and we haven't talked about items used in the classroom such as books, computers, etc.

Wash, rinse, repeat. Go to any large city, almost without fail, the ring around the city has schools performing well. The city performs poorly, yet spends more per pupil.

Money helps, but it's not all about money.

(06-07-2017 09:51 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 03:13 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Low tax revenue = low schoool quality = poor learning culture = poor academic performance

Create a better environment for minority businesses, artists, and other small entrepreneurs and your tax base will increase. This will passively solve your school system problems.

Regressive anti-business philosophy has a way of destroying neighborhoods.

Low tax revenue could be another way of saying low funding for schools. I'm not sure if that's your implication.

I would hesitate to suggest that funding levels correlate to a school's academic success.

A brief picture: The Memphis TN Metro Area includes eight counties, three of which are in TN.
- Shelby County, TN | 2016 est pop 934,603 | Prop Tax Rate 4.37
- Tipton County, TN | 2016 est pop 61,303 | Prop Tax Rate 2.42
- Fayette County, TN | 2016 est pop 39,590 | Prop Tax Rate 1.74

Memphis is in Shelby County. Memphis has a property tax rate of 3.40.

The combined city/county property tax rate for Memphis, Shelby County is 7.77 which ranks highest in the state.

For decades there were two school districts in Shelby County:
- City of Memphis Schools
- Shelby County Schools

Tennessee school funding comes from three entities. In order of average percentage funding:
- State 46.5%
- Municipality 39.2%
- Federal 14.3%


Fayette and Tipton counties each share a border with Shelby County -- Tipton to the north and Fayette to the east.

Both counties have significantly less tax revenue than Memphis-Shelby and both schools systems are significantly smaller.

2012 Data

Funding Per Student
City of Memphis Schools $11,250
Shelby County Schools $9,318
Tipton County Schools $7,922
Fayette County Schools $9,720

City of Memphis Schools
Schools: 212
Administrators: 464 (2.2 admin / school)
Teachers: 6,755
Students: 101,696
15.1 Student-Teacher Ratio

Shelby County Schools
Schools: 52
Administrators: 169 (3.25 admin / school)
Teachers: 2,742
Students: 45,050
16.4 Student-Teacher Ratio

Tipton County Schools
Schools: 14
Administrators: 51 (3.6 admin / school)
Teachers: 744
Students: 11,437
15.4 Student-Teacher Ratio

Fayette County Schools
Schools: 10
Administrators: 25 (2.5 admin / school)
Teachers: 263
Students: 3,440
13.1 Student-Teacher Ratio



2012 TN Report Cards by System

City of Memphis Schools
Grades 3-8
D Math
F Reading
F Social Studies
F Science

Grades 9-12
16.4 ACT


Fayette County Schools
Grades 3-8
D Math
D Reading
D Social Studies
D Science

Grades 9-12
16.3 ACT


Tipton County Schools
Grades 3-8
A Math
B Reading
B Social Studies
B Science

Grades 9-12
20.1 ACT


Shelby County Schools
Grades 3-8
A Math
A Reading
A Social Studies
A Science

Grades 9-12
20.8 ACT


Both City of Memphis and Fayette County schools perform among the worst in the state while both Tipton County and Shelby County schools perform among the best in the state.


Fayette County and City of Memphis schools are not comparable to each other in multiple attributes so Fayette County Schools commissioned a study which compared itself to other schools systems in the state of similar size and racial demographics in an effort to compare apples to apples.

The result showed that Fayette County had the highest per student funding and the lowest performance.

There are many other factors than available money.


By the way, when reviewing various school system budgets I found that the line items of Salaries and Benefits comprise more than 75% of a school system's budget.

Other line items include Buildings/Property, Bus Maintenance & Fuel, Grounds Maintenance, Food Services, etc.

We're pushing over 90% of the budget and we haven't talked about items used in the classroom such as books, computers, etc.

Wash, rinse, repeat. Go to any large city, almost without fail, the ring around the city has schools performing well. The city performs poorly, yet spends more per pupil.

Money helps, but it's not all about money.

That's true in Atlanta. APS spends much more than anyone else and has among the worst results in the state.

It's time to stop blaming schools, teachers, parents, and neighborhoods and tell the damn kids they are uneducated and ignorant because they aren't trying to learn.

(06-05-2017 11:14 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 11:02 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 10:02 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Los Angeles Daily News

By Matt Levin, CALmatters
POSTED: 06/04/17, 10:38 AM PDT

75% of black California boys don’t meet state reading standards

Quote:Three of four African-American boys in California classrooms failed to meet reading and writing standards on the most recent round of testing, according to data obtained from the state Department of Education and analyzed by CALmatters.

Nothing contributes to poverty and government dependence than illiteracy.

And the sad part of this is that liberals and education professionals know this. Which leads me to believe it's an intentional effort to keep people suppressed and dependent.

So since the conservatives now hold the office and there is a new secretary of education we should see improvements in education.

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

Education results are far more driven by local decisions than federal ones....

However... those local decisions about Education are far more driven by Federal dollars than by input from local citizens about what they want regarding their local education system to be teaching their kids.

(06-07-2017 10:30 PM)Claw Wrote:  It's time to stop blaming schools, teachers, parents, and neighborhoods and tell the damn kids they are uneducated and ignorant because they aren't trying to learn.

Only if you said it verbally, and didn't write it down for them to read. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to understand what you were telling them.

(06-07-2017 07:16 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 03:13 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Low tax revenue = low schoool quality = poor learning culture = poor academic performance

Create a better environment for minority businesses, artists, and other small entrepreneurs and your tax base will increase. This will passively solve your school system problems.

Regressive anti-business philosophy has a way of destroying neighborhoods.

Low tax revenue could be another way of saying low funding for schools. I'm not sure if that's your implication.

I would hesitate to suggest that funding levels correlate to a school's academic success.

A brief picture: The Memphis TN Metro Area includes eight counties, three of which are in TN.
- Shelby County, TN | 2016 est pop 934,603 | Prop Tax Rate 4.37
- Tipton County, TN | 2016 est pop 61,303 | Prop Tax Rate 2.42
- Fayette County, TN | 2016 est pop 39,590 | Prop Tax Rate 1.74

Memphis is in Shelby County. Memphis has a property tax rate of 3.40.

The combined city/county property tax rate for Memphis, Shelby County is 7.77 which ranks highest in the state.

For decades there were two school districts in Shelby County:
- City of Memphis Schools
- Shelby County Schools

Tennessee school funding comes from three entities. In order of average percentage funding:
- State 46.5%
- Municipality 39.2%
- Federal 14.3%


Fayette and Tipton counties each share a border with Shelby County -- Tipton to the north and Fayette to the east.

Both counties have significantly less tax revenue than Memphis-Shelby and both schools systems are significantly smaller.

2012 Data

Funding Per Student
City of Memphis Schools $11,250
Shelby County Schools $9,318
Tipton County Schools $7,922
Fayette County Schools $9,720

City of Memphis Schools
Schools: 212
Administrators: 464 (2.2 admin / school)
Teachers: 6,755
Students: 101,696
15.1 Student-Teacher Ratio

Shelby County Schools
Schools: 52
Administrators: 169 (3.25 admin / school)
Teachers: 2,742
Students: 45,050
16.4 Student-Teacher Ratio

Tipton County Schools
Schools: 14
Administrators: 51 (3.6 admin / school)
Teachers: 744
Students: 11,437
15.4 Student-Teacher Ratio

Fayette County Schools
Schools: 10
Administrators: 25 (2.5 admin / school)
Teachers: 263
Students: 3,440
13.1 Student-Teacher Ratio



2012 TN Report Cards by System

City of Memphis Schools
Grades 3-8
D Math
F Reading
F Social Studies
F Science

Grades 9-12
16.4 ACT


Fayette County Schools
Grades 3-8
D Math
D Reading
D Social Studies
D Science

Grades 9-12
16.3 ACT


Tipton County Schools
Grades 3-8
A Math
B Reading
B Social Studies
B Science

Grades 9-12
20.1 ACT


Shelby County Schools
Grades 3-8
A Math
A Reading
A Social Studies
A Science

Grades 9-12
20.8 ACT


Both City of Memphis and Fayette County schools perform among the worst in the state while both Tipton County and Shelby County schools perform among the best in the state.


Fayette County and City of Memphis schools are not comparable to each other in multiple attributes so Fayette County Schools commissioned a study which compared itself to other schools systems in the state of similar size and racial demographics in an effort to compare apples to apples.

The result showed that Fayette County had the highest per student funding and the lowest performance.

There are many other factors than available money.


By the way, when reviewing various school system budgets I found that the line items of Salaries and Benefits comprise more than 75% of a school system's budget.

Other line items include Buildings/Property, Bus Maintenance & Fuel, Grounds Maintenance, Food Services, etc.

We're pushing over 90% of the budget and we haven't talked about items used in the classroom such as books, computers, etc.

like I said it's all about the parenting. I'm willing to bet the rate of single parent homes for Memphis city schools is at least twice that of the surrounding areas.

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It's definitely not about $$$. How much money could you throw at the situation to make it any better if the other factors stay the same?

As far as parenting goes, that's a big part of it. Not all of it. Much of the problem involves what is being taught and how it's being taught.

Something to think about regarding the parenting argument: those parents in question were more than likely educated in the same school system.

#GenerationalProblem

(06-08-2017 01:44 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Something to think about regarding the parenting argument: those parents in question were more than likely educated in the same school system.

#GenerationalProblem

Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor and keep 'em on the democrat plantation.

Of course, being dumb and being poor has nothing to do with being Republican or Democrat.

(06-07-2017 11:27 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 11:14 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 11:02 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 10:02 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Los Angeles Daily News

By Matt Levin, CALmatters
POSTED: 06/04/17, 10:38 AM PDT

75% of black California boys don’t meet state reading standards

Quote:Three of four African-American boys in California classrooms failed to meet reading and writing standards on the most recent round of testing, according to data obtained from the state Department of Education and analyzed by CALmatters.

Nothing contributes to poverty and government dependence than illiteracy.

And the sad part of this is that liberals and education professionals know this. Which leads me to believe it's an intentional effort to keep people suppressed and dependent.

So since the conservatives now hold the office and there is a new secretary of education we should see improvements in education.

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

Education results are far more driven by local decisions than federal ones....

However... those local decisions about Education are far more driven by Federal dollars than by input from local citizens about what they want regarding their local education system to be teaching their kids.

True!

While contributing the LEAST amount to a district's revenues they have the MOST say.

And most of what they have to say (i.e. what they demand from each district) falls into the social justice category.


From the writings of John Dewey...

Quote:My Pedagogic Creed

by John Dewey

School Journal vol. 54 (January 1897), pp. 77-80

ARTICLE FIVE. THE SCHOOL AND SOCIAL PROGRESS

I believe that education is the fundamental method of social progress and reform.

I believe that education is a regulation of the process of coming to share in the social consciousness; and that the adjustment of individual activity on the basis of this social consciousness is the only sure method of social reconstruction.

I believe it is the business of every one interested in education to insist upon the school as the primary and most effective instrument of social progress and reform in order that society may be awakened to realize what the school stands for, and aroused to the necessity of endowing the educator with sufficient equipment properly to perform his task.

The role of the teacher...

Quote:I believe, finally, that the teacher is engaged, not simply in the training of individuals, but in the formation of the proper social life.

I believe that every teacher should realize the dignity of his calling; that he is a social servant set apart for the maintenance of proper social order and the securing of the right social growth.

I believe that in this way the teacher always is the prophet of the true God and the usherer in of the true kingdom of God.

(06-08-2017 01:55 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Of course, being dumb and being poor has nothing to do with being Republican or Democrat.

It does in South Carolina

2016 Presidential electoral map


The "Corridor of Shame" showing South Carolina's lowest performing school districts

Who was John Dewey?

Quote:John Dewey was an American philosopher, psychologist, and educational reformer whose ideas have been influential in education and social reform. Dewey is one of the primary figures associated with the philosophy of pragmatism and is considered one of the fathers of functional psychology. A Review of General Psychology survey, published in 2002, ranked Dewey as the 93rd most cited psychologist of the 20th century.

A well-known public intellectual, he was also a major voice of progressive education and liberalism. Although Dewey is known best for his publications about education, he also wrote about many other topics, including epistemology, metaphysics, aesthetics, art, logic, social theory, and ethics. He was a major educational reformer for the 20th century.

Dewey was a signer of the original Humanist Manifesto in 1933.

I'm seeing several that voted GOP, Kaplony.

(06-08-2017 02:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I'm seeing several that voted GOP, Kaplony.

And those would be the counties with strong, well established private schools. Florence County is one of the red counties and they have 15 private schools alone.

Colleton County also voted Republican, but it's primarily because of the retired residents in Edisto Beach, with 45% of it's population being 65 or older.

(06-07-2017 10:30 PM)Claw Wrote:  It's time to stop blaming schools, teachers, parents, and neighborhoods and tell the damn kids they are uneducated and ignorant because they aren't trying to learn.

and you would get a bunch of blank looks back saying, "so"?

(06-08-2017 01:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 01:44 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Something to think about regarding the parenting argument: those parents in question were more than likely educated in the same school system.

#GenerationalProblem

Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor and keep 'em on the democrat plantation.

And the GOP wants to keep em in jail. Blacks are being taken out by both sides.

(06-08-2017 02:56 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 10:30 PM)Claw Wrote:  It's time to stop blaming schools, teachers, parents, and neighborhoods and tell the damn kids they are uneducated and ignorant because they aren't trying to learn.

and you would get a bunch of blank looks back saying, "so"?

At least they would hear the truth.

(06-08-2017 04:51 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 01:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 01:44 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Something to think about regarding the parenting argument: those parents in question were more than likely educated in the same school system.

#GenerationalProblem

Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor and keep 'em on the democrat plantation.

And the GOP wants to keep em in jail. Blacks are being taken out by both sides.

If blacks are in jail it's not the GOP's fault. The GOP isn't making them commit crimes.