(06-02-2017 05:36 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Common sense tells us that WVU sports is not worth more than OU sports.
Someone is leaving out important information...

Well there's no doubt about that, the last figures available from the NCAA had OU at $134m in overall athletic revenue and WVU at $90m. That's a whopping $44m gap.

The issue here is just the vagaries of 3rd tier rights and whatnot, a relatively small part of the overall picture.

(06-03-2017 08:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 05:36 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Common sense tells us that WVU sports is not worth more than OU sports.
Someone is leaving out important information...

Well there's no doubt about that, the last figures available from the NCAA had OU at $134m in overall athletic revenue and WVU at $90m. That's a whopping $44m gap.

The issue here is just the vagaries of 3rd tier rights and whatnot, a relatively small part of the overall picture.

Finally someone says it.
Every year we see these posts about Big 12 revenue distribution. Paper napkin accounting of tier 3 dollars, inferences and speculation run amuck. Months earlier when someone posts total revenue for all the schools, the top schools make $130 million or better. Seeing schools that rank in the 30s or below bragging about $35 million from the conference is silly

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(06-03-2017 08:48 AM)dopeordogfood Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 08:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 05:36 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Common sense tells us that WVU sports is not worth more than OU sports.
Someone is leaving out important information...

Well there's no doubt about that, the last figures available from the NCAA had OU at $134m in overall athletic revenue and WVU at $90m. That's a whopping $44m gap.

The issue here is just the vagaries of 3rd tier rights and whatnot, a relatively small part of the overall picture.

Finally someone says it.
Every year we see these posts about Big 12 revenue distribution. Paper napkin accounting of tier 3 dollars, inferences and speculation run amuck. Months earlier when someone posts total revenue for all the schools, the top schools make $130 million or better. Seeing schools that rank in the 30s or below bragging about $35 million from the conference is silly

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Yes, the bulk of revenue for big-time schools still comes from local sources, primarily attendance x ticket prices and all their ancillaries (parking, seat licenses, suits, etc.).

That's why in a P5 conference you can have an enormous revenue gap. The #1 school in a given P5 might be at $140m in athletic revenue and the #12 school at $65m, even though they are getting the exact same $30m from the massively talked about conference media deal.

There's no substitute for building a huge, rabid local fan base that will pay through the nose to support your programs.

(06-02-2017 05:36 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 04:26 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Come on B-12 is playing with mirros

3 million dollar bump next yr from settlement not to expand from networks
for useless CCG, i hope nobody gets hurt. didn't comminsor say 3 yrs ago
round robin, B-12 has TRUE champ

1ST OFF IMG has 90 contract with different schools, marketing & sinage r not tier 3 games
Okla made 8 million on 1 FB game & 4 BB games, that better deal than espn & Fox
in 1 article Okla comlained they made less 2 m on FB game
TCU said they made half m on FB game

if B-12 wants to compete, they need markets, conf network, Tex, Fla, Ohio, Pa, Western & culivate NY into CFB recurits
at 4 million people Okla not going anywhere

Common sense tells us that WVU sports is not worth more than OU sports.
Someone is leaving out important information...

OU got $5.8 million, and they expected $7 million with additional advertising, for their Tier III TV rights. That did not include all the "other Tier III" which I believe was already $7 million, for a total of about $14 million. WVU's initial contract was for $9 million for both of those pieces (as I mentioned they had to rebid because a previous holder was claiming rights on some piece of that in a lawsuit).

The "other Tier III" is the piece that even schools with conference networks can sell. NCSU sold theirs for $4.9 million. Several big name schools have gotten in excess of $10 million for that (without looking it up, I believe Michigan, Ohio St. and UGA have).

(06-03-2017 09:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 08:48 AM)dopeordogfood Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 08:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 05:36 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Common sense tells us that WVU sports is not worth more than OU sports.
Someone is leaving out important information...

Well there's no doubt about that, the last figures available from the NCAA had OU at $134m in overall athletic revenue and WVU at $90m. That's a whopping $44m gap.

The issue here is just the vagaries of 3rd tier rights and whatnot, a relatively small part of the overall picture.

Finally someone says it.
Every year we see these posts about Big 12 revenue distribution. Paper napkin accounting of tier 3 dollars, inferences and speculation run amuck. Months earlier when someone posts total revenue for all the schools, the top schools make $130 million or better. Seeing schools that rank in the 30s or below bragging about $35 million from the conference is silly

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Yes, the bulk of revenue for big-time schools still comes from local sources, primarily attendance x ticket prices and all their ancillaries (parking, seat licenses, suits, etc.).

That's why in a P5 conference you can have an enormous revenue gap. The #1 school in a given P5 might be at $140m in athletic revenue and the #12 school at $65m, even though they are getting the exact same $30m from the massively talked about conference media deal.

There's no substitute for building a huge, rabid local fan base that will pay through the nose to support your programs.

That is something that is often forgotten. That's where the really big $ are. And that is why a Florida St. may not be interested in going to the Big 12 for more $ or a Virginia to the Big 10 for more $ or a North Carolina to the SEC for more $. Its got to really be a lot more to mess with the bigger source of revenues, internally generated dollars.

Of all the schools who have moved, most moved to a higher level athletic conference or to connect with alumni. Maryland, Nebraska and Missouri are the only ones who left mainly for money. Maryland was in really bad financial straits and Nebraska and Missouri had fears of being left behind in a gutted Big 12 motivating them in addition to the money.

After Jackson posted, the correct info made sence
Tex was at 15 m, payment from LHN
Okla at 8 m got a bump from making playoffs
Kansas sounds reasonable with 4 BB games
WV made 3 m

There are Tier 3 TV rights and there are other Tier 3 rights such as licensed products, stadium advertising etc. The Big 12 schools can sell their Tier 3 TV rights for a football game or two, Basketball games, Soccer, Volleyball, Baseball etc. not picked up by the national networks. That is the extra money they earn in addition to the Tier 1 and 2 rights. They also make the other Tier 3 income. Schools like Texas, OU, and Kansas do very well with their Tier 3 TV rights putting them close, even, or ahead of even the SEC revenues. People keep thinking that the schools in other conferences have the same Tier 3 rights. They don't. They cannot sell any of their games for additional money. The networks and their conference own them. They do own their other Tier 3 rights in which obviously the big state schools make a lot of money.

The bottom line is the Big 12 is in very good financial shape.

(06-03-2017 12:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 09:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 08:48 AM)dopeordogfood Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 08:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 05:36 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Common sense tells us that WVU sports is not worth more than OU sports.
Someone is leaving out important information...

Well there's no doubt about that, the last figures available from the NCAA had OU at $134m in overall athletic revenue and WVU at $90m. That's a whopping $44m gap.

The issue here is just the vagaries of 3rd tier rights and whatnot, a relatively small part of the overall picture.

Finally someone says it.
Every year we see these posts about Big 12 revenue distribution. Paper napkin accounting of tier 3 dollars, inferences and speculation run amuck. Months earlier when someone posts total revenue for all the schools, the top schools make $130 million or better. Seeing schools that rank in the 30s or below bragging about $35 million from the conference is silly

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Yes, the bulk of revenue for big-time schools still comes from local sources, primarily attendance x ticket prices and all their ancillaries (parking, seat licenses, suits, etc.).

That's why in a P5 conference you can have an enormous revenue gap. The #1 school in a given P5 might be at $140m in athletic revenue and the #12 school at $65m, even though they are getting the exact same $30m from the massively talked about conference media deal.

There's no substitute for building a huge, rabid local fan base that will pay through the nose to support your programs.

That is something that is often forgotten. That's where the really big $ are. And that is why a Florida St. may not be interested in going to the Big 12 for more $ or a Virginia to the Big 10 for more $ or a North Carolina to the SEC for more $.

IMO, North Carolina will never leave the ACC unless the $$$ gap gets absurd, and then maybe not then. And if they do, it will never be to the SEC.

Perhaps even more than Texas, they care about appearances and status, and to them that means two things: (1) we're the enlightened, progressive south not the unreconstructed hick-dixie south, and (2) we are the Kings of this domain.

In the ACC, they are the #1 school, unchallenged and unquestioned, the sun the conference revolves around no matter how many football titles FSU or Clemson wins, like Texas in the Big 12. Anyplace else, and they'd just be one of many. And in the SEC, they'd be one of many sitting alongside those trailer-park hicks, LOL.

The only place they'll go if the ACC ever collapses is the B1G.