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New Legacy Arena/Downtown Stadium Articles(need subscription, though)
Perhaps someone with a subscription can enlighten us peons...

I still think the best solution is an open air stadium, a new World Congress Center type of facility, and Legacy upgrades. Perhaps, even commit more money to the new facilty and less to Legacy renovation...

BJCC board approves deeper look at Legacy Arena project
http://www.bizjournals.com/birmingham/ne...y-for.html

Stadium or dome: What should Birmingham build at the BJCC?
http://www.bizjournals.com/birmingham/ne...ld-at.html
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RE: New Legacy Arena/Downtown Stadium Articles(need subscription, though)
Not a lot of new information. From the stadium article:

An updated version of the BJCC’s master plan calls for a stadium that would hold up to 55,000 and cost approximately $175 million. A dome, on the other hand, could cost upwards of $450 million, according to Bell.

“Whenever the dialogue comes up regarding a new facility, the No. 1 question is seating capacity, and I guess that’s a natural question, but that number is fluid,” said Gene Hallman, president and CEO of Bruno Event Team, which has helped lure a number of sporting events to Birmingham.

He said within a certain range, the incremental cost of the facility is small compared to the overall cost of the project.

But experts say that can change considerably when the conversation shifts to a dome or enclosed facility.

And that’s where many have said the financial realities of the project in Birmingham begin to outweigh the prospective benefits. Simply put, many say it would be difficult for the Magic City to earn the type of return to justify the investment.

“A beautiful new dome would be phenomenal but Atlanta’s dome is upwards of $1.5 billion and the economics just simply don’t work,” Hallman said.

Given those realities, Hallman said a new outdoor facility at the BJCC would be a strong addition to the local sports landscape.

Debate over a new sports facility has been a regular occurrence in Birmingham for decades, but many believe the timing is right for a new project to happen.

One reason is the revival of downtown and the emergence of Uptown. But the biggest factor is the return of UAB football.

“One of the primary reasons for this new facility is the future of UAB football and that program has a chance to flourish and carve out a really strong niche in Division 1 football with a new facility,” Hallman said. “UAB football is a very important element for the economic future of Birmingham, but I also believe we could get into serious rotation of major international soccer events with the men’s and women’s U.S. national team.”

On the stadium front, one of the biggest questions is how to pay for it. City leaders, including Bell, have said the project will require a public-private partnership. A recent court decision also cleared the way for Jefferson County to potentially help fund the project, as well.

While Bell has previously said some decisions on the project are likely to be made this year, it will still be at least a couple years before a stadium could debut for college football.

“I’m highly confident Legion Field would no longer be utilized (if a new stadium is built),” Hallman said. “It wouldn’t make sense to have both facilities. I do think there is dialogue going on regarding transforming Legion Field into a positive addition into that part of town. There wouldn’t be a hole left there from an economic standpoint.” 
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RE: New Legacy Arena/Downtown Stadium Articles(need subscription, though)
Arena article:

The BJCC Board of Directors recently approved a deal with the Kansas City firm Populous for further development of the master plan, specifically a detailed plan for the modernization of the Legacy Arena.

“We’ve already been presented some exciting concepts from Populous, and this next phase of work is a deeper dive into the most impactful and effective ways to prepare Legacy Arena to be competitive looking into the future,” BJCC Executive Director Tad Snider said in a statement. “The building has an amazing and storied history and the improvements being examined will integrate many of the features and amenities fans and promoters have come to expect. The improvements we’re looking to make will greatly enhance the features of the arena and the overall guest experience.”

The engagement will include a complete and in-depth evaluation of the building, further refinement of conceptual improvements presented last year, a refined project budget and phasing plans for the improvements. The study is expected to take 18 weeks.

Experts have said potential upgrades at Legacy Arena could improve Birmingham’s chances at landing higher-profile indoor events, and many believe that is one reason a stadium might be preferable to a dome.
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Anyone want to bet the stadium talk dies just like the dome did years ago? Politics will get in the way again.

Get the attendance up for the 2017 football season. Have success and maybe a bowl game. Then start yelling for the on campus stadium the master plan had in it for years - between the Football Operations Facility and Regions Park.
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RE: New Legacy Arena/Downtown Stadium Articles(need subscription, though)
As Hallman states, a new BJCC stadium, as suggested, would be mainly built to accommodate UAB football and other seasonal games. As a UAB football fan, that would be good enough for me.

To me, comparing the proposed stadium to the MPF is like comparing a "pick up truck" to an "18 wheel semi" in that both are useful but for different applications. If the city needs only the "pick up truck" for its future, then go with it. If the city needs the additional applications of the "18 wheel semi", then it should go that way. The two are not interchangeable.

Also noted that Hallman did not specifically mention increasing the seating capacity of Legacy Arena as part of its renovation, only updating its present amenities.
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(05-26-2017 10:48 AM)blzrclub80 Wrote:  Anyone want to bet the stadium talk dies just like the dome did years ago? Politics will get in the way again.

Get the attendance up for the 2017 football season. Have success and maybe a bowl game. Then start yelling for the on campus stadium the master plan had in it for years - between the Football Operations Facility and Regions Park.

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The trend in many arenas has been to decrease seating capacity to accommodate more high-dollar suites and club seating, which increases revenue AND increases ticket demand.
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(05-26-2017 10:48 AM)blzrclub80 Wrote:  Anyone want to bet the stadium talk dies just like the dome did years ago? Politics will get in the way again.

Get the attendance up for the 2017 football season. Have success and maybe a bowl game. Then start yelling for the on campus stadium the master plan had in it for years - between the Football Operations Facility and Regions Park.

I tend to think certain assurances were made to Top Golf that would prompt them to build their 1st urban facility...
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(05-26-2017 12:28 PM)UABslant Wrote:  The trend in many arenas has been to decrease seating capacity to accommodate more high-dollar suites and club seating, which increases revenue AND increases ticket demand.

The other component with "demand" is "supply". If supply is static, then demand is a limited factor as well. Elevating the price eliminates those who have limited ability to pay it. That is one reason everyone doesn't drive BMWs, Bentleys or Rolls Royces -- or buy UAB Champions Club seating.
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build the stadium 50K max and be done with it. Make it first class
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I'm in town for the weekend and I see a large structure going up near Uptown right now. What is that going to be?
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(05-26-2017 02:16 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I'm in town for the weekend and I see a large structure going up near Uptown right now. What is that going to be?

Top golf if youre by rallys.
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(05-26-2017 02:19 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  
(05-26-2017 02:16 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I'm in town for the weekend and I see a large structure going up near Uptown right now. What is that going to be?

Top golf if youre by rallys.

Gotcha! That's going to be cool04-cheers

So would the new facility go where the current civic center now stands?
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(05-26-2017 02:30 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  
(05-26-2017 02:19 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  
(05-26-2017 02:16 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I'm in town for the weekend and I see a large structure going up near Uptown right now. What is that going to be?

Top golf if youre by rallys.

Gotcha! That's going to be cool04-cheers

So would the new facility go where the current civic center now stands?

It would go in the large public lot in between the new Top Golf and the existing BJCC.
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