(05-26-2018 08:58 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 08:10 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  Doesn’t Gill have one season left on his contract? If so, I see a new coach coming in just in time for the 2019 season. I wouldn’t be surprised if it will be Hugh Freeze, especially since he didn’t get a job with Saban. Maybe the SEC commissioner’s fear of having Freeze as part of a SEC team may be a blessing for us to have a P5 coach. Yes, we will be criticized by media critics but eventually they’ll get tired and the commotion will eventually die down. Freeze can definitely produce a dominant program here in Hill City and will gradually grow support. One other thing I will like to point out, was Hugh Freeze visit to the ‘Burg for convocation just a coincidence?

Hugh Freeze would be toxic. The only worst hire would be Art Briles. The SEC basically told it's members to not hire him. We continue to be roasted for McCaw and don't need further crap slung our way.

The two worst choices is Freeze and Briles? Really? I wouldn’t call it toxic, since aren’t we all based on sin? Now I’m not saying Freeze is the best candidate but I’m not going to treat him like crap like the SEC did( they’re definitely very toxic as well if you want to go that route). Also, the media will prolong things on folks who are their enemies. The media is of the world, so anything that a Christian school like Liberty does will always be criticized or mocked. To be honest, I don’t really care what the media thinks, especially when they bashed Baylor more than the incident that occurred for a very long time at Penn State. I wouldn’t be so mad if Freeze is given the job; everyone needs a second chance. If someone else is selected, then I’ll be fine with that as well.

(05-26-2018 10:14 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 08:58 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 08:10 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  Doesn’t Gill have one season left on his contract? If so, I see a new coach coming in just in time for the 2019 season. I wouldn’t be surprised if it will be Hugh Freeze, especially since he didn’t get a job with Saban. Maybe the SEC commissioner’s fear of having Freeze as part of a SEC team may be a blessing for us to have a P5 coach. Yes, we will be criticized by media critics but eventually they’ll get tired and the commotion will eventually die down. Freeze can definitely produce a dominant program here in Hill City and will gradually grow support. One other thing I will like to point out, was Hugh Freeze visit to the ‘Burg for convocation just a coincidence?

Hugh Freeze would be toxic. The only worst hire would be Art Briles. The SEC basically told it's members to not hire him. We continue to be roasted for McCaw and don't need further crap slung our way.

The two worst choices is Freeze and Briles? Really? I wouldn’t call it toxic, since aren’t we all based on sin? Now I’m not saying Freeze is the best candidate but I’m not going to treat him like crap like the SEC did( they’re definitely very toxic as well if you want to go that route). Also, the media will prolong things on folks who are their enemies. The media is of the world, so anything that a Christian school like Liberty does will always be criticized or mocked. To be honest, I don’t really care what the media thinks, especially when they bashed Baylor more than the incident that occurred for a very long time at Penn State. I wouldn’t be so mad if Freeze is given the job; everyone needs a second chance. If someone else is selected, then I’ll be fine with that as well.

I think Briles or Freeze would be good hires. If we hired them right after their issues came up then no they would be horrible choices. But they have been jobless for quite some time and I think enough time has passed for them to reflect on their actions. Even prison inmates have a release date from prison. Are these coaches sentenced to life without parole forever.

The redemption coaching staff.

HC - Hugh Freeze
OC - Art Briles
DC - Jim Tressel
QB’s - Michael Vick

That’s a good start.

(05-27-2018 09:09 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  The redemption coaching staff.

HC - Hugh Freeze
OC - Art Briles
DC - Jim Tressel
QB’s - Michael Vick

That’s a good start.

ESPN would not talk about anything for 10 years except Liberty lol.

(05-26-2018 10:14 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 08:58 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 08:10 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  Doesn’t Gill have one season left on his contract? If so, I see a new coach coming in just in time for the 2019 season. I wouldn’t be surprised if it will be Hugh Freeze, especially since he didn’t get a job with Saban. Maybe the SEC commissioner’s fear of having Freeze as part of a SEC team may be a blessing for us to have a P5 coach. Yes, we will be criticized by media critics but eventually they’ll get tired and the commotion will eventually die down. Freeze can definitely produce a dominant program here in Hill City and will gradually grow support. One other thing I will like to point out, was Hugh Freeze visit to the ‘Burg for convocation just a coincidence?

Hugh Freeze would be toxic. The only worst hire would be Art Briles. The SEC basically told it's members to not hire him. We continue to be roasted for McCaw and don't need further crap slung our way.

The two worst choices is Freeze and Briles? Really? I wouldn’t call it toxic, since aren’t we all based on sin? Now I’m not saying Freeze is the best candidate but I’m not going to treat him like crap like the SEC did( they’re definitely very toxic as well if you want to go that route). Also, the media will prolong things on folks who are their enemies. The media is of the world, so anything that a Christian school like Liberty does will always be criticized or mocked. To be honest, I don’t really care what the media thinks, especially when they bashed Baylor more than the incident that occurred for a very long time at Penn State. I wouldn’t be so mad if Freeze is given the job; everyone needs a second chance. If someone else is selected, then I’ll be fine with that as well.

People deserve second chances but that doesn't mean Liberty should be the ones to give them. LU was rightly criticized for hiring McCaw after the issues that went down at Baylor and are still the butt of criticism. How much more magnified will it be if he hires Briles or Freeze?

You may not worry about the media but how do you think parents, non-athletes, and contributors feel about having either a coach who swept sexual assault under the rug aided by the AD and others or having a coach who paid players, let them party, and used his school phone to call hookers? If there is any school that believes there is more important things than winning games, it should be Liberty

Honestly the people would most likely think what the media tells them even if it is exaggerated. We do not know how knowledgeable McCaw was with the entire situation, so any thoughts from these paresnts and students would be assumptions. Clearly it was so because he is still around with no recourse. Speaking of Hugh Freeze, that can be discussed, but that doesn’t mean we only want him for winning games. He can actually be a good example for most of these kids who was involved or did something wrong and was given a second chance. It doesn’t matter though because people will criticize anything based on how they feel. That could be a good thing at times but it can also be a bad thing.

I’d be good with a Hugh Freeze hire as long as the Admins are satisfied.
Of course, I am still good with Turner Gill and hope he is successful.

I don’t care about the media or what others think. If Freeze, or Briles, or McCaw, or whoever are contrite and have changed, l am happy as a Liberty grad with a current Liberty student, and future students to give them another chance.

I don't see McCaw hiring Briles because of the Baylor mess/connections. Changed man or not it'd be too close for comfort for either man. I, also don't think he's that dumb.

(05-27-2018 10:43 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  I don't see McCaw hiring Briles because of the Baylor mess/connections. Changed man or not it'd be too close for comfort for either man. I, also don't think he's that dumb.

I agree, I can’t see Art. Freeze maybe but I think IM will go the route of an unproven coach.

(05-28-2018 06:53 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 10:43 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  I don't see McCaw hiring Briles because of the Baylor mess/connections. Changed man or not it'd be too close for comfort for either man. I, also don't think he's that dumb.

I agree, I can’t see Art. Freeze maybe but I think IM will go the route of an unproven coach.

Mike Houston is still out there. He still my favorite for next HC. I was a little surprised he stayed with JMU for this year. TG might have two years left. The excuse for a losing season this year will be the transition from FCS to FBS. That keeps his job through the 2019 season. MH would have to stay at JMU another two years in order for LU to try and hire him. I'm taking a guess that MH stays one more season and goes to FBS for the 2019 season.

IMO IM should strike while the iron is hot and go for MH after the 2018 season.

Mike Houston is still at James Madison because Liberty hasn't had an opening yet. If Gill is replaced, I too would be all over hiring Houston.

(05-28-2018 08:10 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 06:53 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 10:43 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  I don't see McCaw hiring Briles because of the Baylor mess/connections. Changed man or not it'd be too close for comfort for either man. I, also don't think he's that dumb.

I agree, I can’t see Art. Freeze maybe but I think IM will go the route of an unproven coach.

Mike Houston is still out there. He still my favorite for next HC. I was a little surprised he stayed with JMU for this year. TG might have two years left. The excuse for a losing season this year will be the transition from FCS to FBS. That keeps his job through the 2019 season. MH would have to stay at JMU another two years in order for LU to try and hire him. I'm taking a guess that MH stays one more season and goes to FBS for the 2019 season.

IMO IM should strike while the iron is hot and go for MH after the 2018 season.

I’ve heard a lot of people talking about Mike Houston. I don’t know much about him but he’s done a good job at JMU(have to give credit). The good thing about this is he can create a winning atmosphere where ever he goes and also that he’s not so far from us to move to the ‘Burg. I’m guessing he’s a believer, but will he want to come here to coach? Have we had talks with him before? If he comes to LU, will we keep the coaching staff that we have or bring some of his staff along with the move? Any thoughts?

(05-28-2018 08:48 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Mike Houston is still at James Madison because Liberty hasn't had an opening yet. If Gill is replaced, I too would be all over hiring Houston.

So are saying that Mike Houston was/is interested in the job? I’ve heard that there were really good coaches who were interested years ago, but Barber pushed them aside and gave Gill an extended contract. Maybe the act was based on envy or friends helping friends.

(05-28-2018 09:03 AM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 08:48 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Mike Houston is still at James Madison because Liberty hasn't had an opening yet. If Gill is replaced, I too would be all over hiring Houston.

So are saying that Mike Houston was/is interested in the job? I’ve heard that there were really good coaches who were interested years ago, but Barber pushed them aside and gave Gill an extended contract. Maybe the act was based on envy or friends helping friends.

I have no idea about LU's desire to hire Houston. I was mostly just having some fun at the expense of JMU. Their fans are overconfident that Houston will stay with them for the long run and not move to a G5 school but nobody moves to a P5 coaching position without going through a G5 first.

(05-28-2018 08:58 AM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 08:10 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 06:53 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 10:43 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  I don't see McCaw hiring Briles because of the Baylor mess/connections. Changed man or not it'd be too close for comfort for either man. I, also don't think he's that dumb.

I agree, I can’t see Art. Freeze maybe but I think IM will go the route of an unproven coach.

Mike Houston is still out there. He still my favorite for next HC. I was a little surprised he stayed with JMU for this year. TG might have two years left. The excuse for a losing season this year will be the transition from FCS to FBS. That keeps his job through the 2019 season. MH would have to stay at JMU another two years in order for LU to try and hire him. I'm taking a guess that MH stays one more season and goes to FBS for the 2019 season.

IMO IM should strike while the iron is hot and go for MH after the 2018 season.

I’ve heard a lot of people talking about Mike Houston. I don’t know much about him but he’s done a good job at JMU(have to give credit). The good thing about this is he can create a winning atmosphere where ever he goes and also that he’s not so far from us to move to the ‘Burg. I’m guessing he’s a believer, but will he want to come here to coach? Have we had talks with him before? If he comes to LU, will we keep the coaching staff that we have or bring some of his staff along with the move? Any thoughts?

Mike Houston has played for (Mars Hill University) or coached at (Brevard College, Lenoir–Rhyne University) three different religious schools. He knows what religious schools are like.
Mike Houston is 28–2 at JMU. Both seasons his team was in the FCS NC and he is 1-1 in those games. His college HC record is fantastic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Houst..._football)

Apparently Jerry Jr. posted this article on his twitter feed:

http://www.wacotrib.com/opinion/columns/...990b6.html

This may be to show the corruption of the investigation and to cast McCaw out of the media bias. I wonder if this is another hint, since the article was mainly about a specific coach...hmmm.

Very interesting read. This is why I wait to point fingers until all the facts come out and people “in the know” reach a decision.

The text messages by Briles are the worst in my opinion, and they involve McCaw as well. I don't know how someone can dismiss those.

Article about Hugh Freeze and the Ole Miss controversy:

https://www.sbnation.com/a/ole-miss-leo-...violations

(05-31-2018 03:47 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  The text messages by Briles are the worst in my opinion, and they involve McCaw as well. I don't know how someone can dismiss those.

What do the text messages say?