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Bad move for them.
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(08-23-2017 10:00 AM)BucFan1244 Wrote:  
(08-23-2017 09:54 AM)brock20 Wrote:  http://www.themw.com/news/2017/8/23/moun...ebook.aspx

Mountain West is streaming 6 of its games exclusively on Facebook this year.

On facebook? Absolutely disgusting.

Take it away from ESPN3 and I won't be watching. I don't do Facebook, never plan to. To borrow your adjective, I find twitter disgusting 04-cheers
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You guys should go check out James Madison's board (also on CSNbbs). They will only have 1 game streamed this whole year. They are livid about the fact every other league has this figure out, but the CAA can't get its act together.
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(08-23-2017 03:55 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(08-23-2017 10:00 AM)BucFan1244 Wrote:  
(08-23-2017 09:54 AM)brock20 Wrote:  http://www.themw.com/news/2017/8/23/moun...ebook.aspx

Mountain West is streaming 6 of its games exclusively on Facebook this year.

On facebook? Absolutely disgusting.

Take it away from ESPN3 and I won't be watching. I don't do Facebook, never plan to. To borrow your adjective, I find twitter disgusting 04-cheers
I'm on Facebook, but I cannot imagine watching a whole game through that platform. I guess I see their logic in possibly the cost aspect, but ewww. I'd listen on the radio before watching a game on Facebook.
08-25-2017 06:25 AM
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So get ready to pay $5 a month for ESPN+. ESPN has already started moving SoCon baseball games from ESPN3 to ESPN+.
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(04-12-2018 09:26 AM)brock20 Wrote:  So get ready to pay $5 a month for ESPN+. ESPN has already started moving SoCon baseball games from ESPN3 to ESPN+.

I don't see how this would not be breaching the contract signed with the SOCON. Maybe those games being moved to ESPN+ are games that would originally not even get on ESPN 3? Just a guess.
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(04-12-2018 10:35 AM)BucFan1244 Wrote:  
(04-12-2018 09:26 AM)brock20 Wrote:  So get ready to pay $5 a month for ESPN+. ESPN has already started moving SoCon baseball games from ESPN3 to ESPN+.

I don't see how this would not be breaching the contract signed with the SOCON. Maybe those games being moved to ESPN+ are games that would originally not even get on ESPN 3? Just a guess.

http://www.vmikeydets.com/ViewArticle.db...=211710485

LEXINGTON - The VMI-Western Carolina Southern Conference baseball series April 13-15 has been switched to a different digital platform by ESPN and will now appear on ESPN+.

The VMI-WCU games originally scheduled for ESPN3 will now be shown on ESPN+ which is a new digital service as part of the redesigned ESPN app which is launching on April 12. To watch the VMI-WCU series, viewers are required to subscribe to the ESPN + service for 4.99/month or 49.99/year. Fans signing up within the first week of launch will get a 30-day free trial, after that point fans would still get a seven day free trial. For more info click below

https://espnmediazone.com/us/press-relea...amex_espn/

The switch was made by ESPN in accordance with its contract agreement with the Southern Conference.

The league office issued a statement regarding the programming switch Tuesday. “Based on its agreement with the Southern Conference, ESPN has the contractual authority to shift collegiate athletic events from ESPN3 to the newly-launched ESPN+. This movement of content is also occurring at many other Division I conferences that partner with ESPN.”

Viewers can learn more about the new ESPN+ service at the link below.

https://espnmediazone.com/us/press-relea...per-month/
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Welp that sucks...
04-12-2018 10:53 AM
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This is yet another reason why the league office needs to get its crap together and get a REAL TV contract.
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Wow. Outside of the airline industry, can anybody recall a company in recent memory that has botched more things publicly, or alienated more of its current/potential client base than ESPN has the past few years?

- The public firings of popular personalities and exceptional writers.
- Overall handling of controversial topics, especially political ones.
- Content and programming shift.
- "Embrace Debate" mindset, glorifying pontification over substance.
- Elimination of popular shows.
- Creation of hybrid entities like the atrocious SportsCenter 'SC6' thing.
- Absurdly high broadcast/carriage rights fees mandated from providers.

It's all a recipe for disaster. They've done far more damage to themselves than rival networks like FS1, NBCSN, or CBSSports.

Back to radio listening for me. No way I'm paying $50 for ESPN+.
04-12-2018 02:46 PM
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(04-12-2018 02:46 PM)TheShadow Wrote:  Wow. Outside of the airline industry, can anybody recall a company in recent memory that has botched more things publicly, or alienated more of its current/potential client base than ESPN has the past few years?

- The public firings of popular personalities and exceptional writers.
- Overall handling of controversial topics, especially political ones.
- Content and programming shift.
- "Embrace Debate" mindset, glorifying pontification over substance.
- Elimination of popular shows.
- Creation of hybrid entities like the atrocious SportsCenter 'SC6' thing.
- Absurdly high broadcast/carriage rights fees mandated from providers.

It's all a recipe for disaster. They've done far more damage to themselves than rival networks like FS1, NBCSN, or CBSSports.

Back to radio listening for me. No way I'm paying $50 for ESPN+.

You are correct on all those fronts but I'm sure i'll still pay for it. $50 isn't bad to be able to watch all the away football and basketball games.
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They could always go back to using the SoCon digital network. At least it’s free.
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(04-12-2018 03:27 PM)Efan Wrote:  They could always go back to using the SoCon digital network. At least it’s free.

I have a feeling that thing will get dissolved. ESPN+ will need lots of content so anything that would have aired on SDN will move. Guess we will see.
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Is there any news about the SoCon getting any other type of TV deals?
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$5 a month, so a total of $30 for the months that ETSU football and basketball are in season. Worth it to me.
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(04-12-2018 03:27 PM)Efan Wrote:  They could always go back to using the SoCon digital network. At least it’s free.

I vote for this as well.
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(04-12-2018 09:23 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  $5 a month, so a total of $30 for the months that ETSU football and basketball are in season. Worth it to me.

To me, this is less about the money and more about how stupid, greedy, and out of touch ESPN is. They already have commercials on those channels, so now it’ll be pay per view as well? Where’s thedoctor in all this? He’ll definitely be fired up. 05-mafia
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I hope it is better than CBSSports. They were a pain in the patooty to unsubscribe from. It was one of last years' games....couldn't buy a single game, had to sign up for the monthly service. Then come to find out, I couldn't unsubscribe without manually calling them.

Re: ESPN. I find it hard to believe that a subscriber's fee and on-air ads with what I think will be way, way fewer subscribers beats trying to continue to grow the product free just with on-air ads. But they wouldn't be doing it if marketing hadn't told them something. Or they really may be crazy -- they've supposedly spent tens of millions on their new morning show, but truth is I'd rather listen to AM640 or the Fox Outkick the Coverage guy who is constantly dissing ESPN and their political correctness. Just my opinion.

Update: Here's Outkick's take, posted earlier this morning.
https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/will-...en-demise/
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(04-13-2018 05:18 AM)Efan Wrote:  
(04-12-2018 09:23 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  $5 a month, so a total of $30 for the months that ETSU football and basketball are in season. Worth it to me.

To me, this is less about the money and more about how stupid, greedy, and out of touch ESPN is. They already have commercials on those channels, so now it’ll be pay per view as well? Where’s thedoctor in all this? He’ll definitely be fired up. 05-mafia

Ok.......here I am. First of all, that link (outkickthecoverage) by Buckyball in the next post (the one immediately before this one) is great. It lays out the problem in exquisite detail. However.........I've been watching this develop over the last 2-3 years from the business/stock market perspective, vis-à-vis Disney. Which is a broader perspective and so I knew some sort of change had to happen. Disney's shareholders have been demanding they do *something*, and this is the best (for now) that they could come up with. Their options, as the outkickthecoverage article demonstrates, are limited.

Read more here, which is the perspective I've been seeing, like I said, for 2-3 years (altho I certainly didn't know *how* they would respond):

Disney's just trying to sort it all out
(Not sure why that has today's date on it; it came out Thursday night, I believe.)

So I don't know whether this will be successful or not. Nobody does, but it may be a very tough slog. My sense is that somewhere along the way (and I've thought this a while).........somebody's going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg(s). The NCAA, NFL, MLB, etc., etc., all deserve some responsibility. The owners of the major league teams (of all major sports) deserve a lot of the blame for the escalating salaries, which of course led to escalating rights' fees. But it's illegal (and rightfully so) to collude to keep a lid on those things.
*Certainly* the various cable companies (and maybe to a slightly lesser extent, the satellite companies) deserve A LOT of the blame for constantly raising rates, and claiming that that was ok because they were adding channels (and other excuses). Cord-cutting was inevitable once it became technologically feasible (followed shortly by "legal"). (You all probably don't want to hear my rant on all that. I could go on for pages!)

Add to that everyone's desire (and I would argue, near "right") to be able to watch things a-la-carte, and you have a recipe that was simply not sustainable in the long run. And the outkickthecoverage article may have it right - each league needs to have their own 'deal', either with the fans directly (or my suggestion: *some other* middleman - an aggregator).

So am I fired up? No. What we had just wasn't sustainable. Am I sad? Yes. And as we wondered even as it was happening, the 'free' games would likely have held down live attendance - among other issues. I vividly remember the first time I was in a movie theater and a pre-movie commercial came on the screen (a Coke commercial). I was livid, and went and bitched to the manager about it. Obviously I didn't win that argument, but that, along with truly ridiculous ticket prices, has kept me out of movie theaters for well more than 12-15 years now. But that's just me (and quite a few of my friends, too, btw).

I think each person/subscriber/fan will just have to make their own decision, or find their own 'solution' via however it gets done.

Yes, ESPN has been "stupid, greedy, and out of touch" (well maybe less so that last one). But it's been mostly at the direction of Disney, Bob Iger, and their shareholders. You all may be shocked at this, but, even with Disney owning ABC, fully 40% of their revenue comes from ESPN. They *can't* afford to keep losing money on it like they've been doing. They *have* to do something, and this is the best they've come up with for now. They're sort of over a barrel, and a lot of people know it. That's why Disney's stock price has been essentially stagnant over the last 3 years, while most of the market has boomed.

I think it's possible, or even likely, that this is merely the first baby step in changing their entire business model - which, as Netflix has demonstrated, is probably necessary.

Maybe that's a more 'global' overview than is applicable here, but it's a VERY big picture to digest. And this is sort of a 'shotgun' response to the many different aspects involved. I really can't worry much about it. I'm (thankfully) not even a Disney shareholder - and never have been.
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