(05-17-2017 09:19 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  if penn state wasn't given death penalty why would Baylor get it? they'll pay some fine lose a few schollies and 5 years from now all will be forgotten. the ncaaa doesn't care about punishing its members.

sidenote whatever happened with unc and Miami? remember all the talk of their demise?

Penn St. shouldn't have been penalized at all by the NCAA. It should have been left up to the feds.

Baylor directly impacted football. That is a difference vs. Penn St. From the internal deliberations, the NCAA knew it was on shaky ground penalizing Penn St.

But after SMU, the NCAA realized that the death penalty doesn't hurt just the school penalized, but their entire conference.

(05-21-2017 07:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:19 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  if penn state wasn't given death penalty why would Baylor get it? they'll pay some fine lose a few schollies and 5 years from now all will be forgotten. the ncaaa doesn't care about punishing its members.

sidenote whatever happened with unc and Miami? remember all the talk of their demise?

Penn St. shouldn't have been penalized at all by the NCAA. It should have been left up to the feds.

Baylor directly impacted football. That is a difference vs. Penn St. From the internal deliberations, the NCAA knew it was on shaky ground penalizing Penn St.

But after SMU, the NCAA realized that the death penalty doesn't hurt just the school penalized, but their entire conference.

Fascinating! Especially coming from part of the old conference that gave us SMU and now gives us Baylor. Remember that the next time you pile on Ole Miss. They are just guilty of the old payola. SMU in the 80's took that to unprecedented heights and now Baylor adds the cover up of rapes to blow that out of the water. "Remove the log that is in thine own eye, before attempting to remove the speck that in the eye of thy brother." The Big 12 needs to act with regard to Baylor if you are going to suggest that the NCAA can't because of damage to the conference they are in.

(05-21-2017 07:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:19 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  if penn state wasn't given death penalty why would Baylor get it? they'll pay some fine lose a few schollies and 5 years from now all will be forgotten. the ncaaa doesn't care about punishing its members.

sidenote whatever happened with unc and Miami? remember all the talk of their demise?

Penn St. shouldn't have been penalized at all by the NCAA. It should have been left up to the feds.

Baylor directly impacted football. That is a difference vs. Penn St. From the internal deliberations, the NCAA knew it was on shaky ground penalizing Penn St.

But after SMU, the NCAA realized that the death penalty doesn't hurt just the school penalized, but their entire conference.

Well, it wasn't just SMU. At one point, only Arkansas, Baylor (shock!) and Rice were the only SWC programs not on probation.

Baylor must end its football team and put morality over money, goodness over glory

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ver-glory/

I'm still waiting for the Iowa State student protests.

Interesting that students will protest a perceived potential threat but shut their mouths to actual conduct.

(05-21-2017 07:25 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 07:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:19 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  if penn state wasn't given death penalty why would Baylor get it? they'll pay some fine lose a few schollies and 5 years from now all will be forgotten. the ncaaa doesn't care about punishing its members.

sidenote whatever happened with unc and Miami? remember all the talk of their demise?

Penn St. shouldn't have been penalized at all by the NCAA. It should have been left up to the feds.

Baylor directly impacted football. That is a difference vs. Penn St. From the internal deliberations, the NCAA knew it was on shaky ground penalizing Penn St.

But after SMU, the NCAA realized that the death penalty doesn't hurt just the school penalized, but their entire conference.

Well, it wasn't just SMU. At one point, only Arkansas, Baylor (shock!) and Rice were the only SWC programs not on probation.

Seriously...the 80's and 90's were so cut-throat in SEC and SWC. Someone would be good one year, on probation the next. It was totally ridiculous.

You know, that was on the NCAA. Their enforcement has ALWAYS been suspect. The snitch culture, the favoritism toward major programs; why act surprised that there is no sense of action or justice with the kind of egregious acts seen across campuses like Miami, Montana, UNC, Penn State, and Baylor?

This bull**** about consideration of the conference is just that: bull****. No, we can't possibly take away Baylor's football, because poor old Texas...what will they do?! Well, NCAA...I'm all for Texas, or anyone in the Big XII, including the conference office, piling it on Baylor and suing for damages. You want to make sure programs clean up their acts and stop with this nonsense? Hit it where it counts. That's what it's like in the real world. Time for higher ed and its taxpayer-funded racket athletic operations to be reminded of that. Reel it in. Shut it down.

(05-24-2017 11:56 AM)YNot Wrote:  I'm still waiting for the Iowa State student protests.

Interesting that students will protest a perceived potential threat but shut their mouths to actual conduct.

Good point. It's clearly hypocritical. Iowa St didn't want BYU in their conference, and those protests against BYU were a bit....convenient. Baylor's very public scandal isn't causing them any outrage.

This is bad, but not sure it's worse than Penn St. hiding the fact that a coach/former was a practicing pedophile that brought young boys on campus and molested them and EVEN traveled with Penn St. to bowl games taking young boys along AFTER it was know by the school what he was doing.

(05-24-2017 06:54 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-24-2017 11:56 AM)YNot Wrote:  I'm still waiting for the Iowa State student protests.

Interesting that students will protest a perceived potential threat but shut their mouths to actual conduct.

Good point. It's clearly hypocritical. Iowa St didn't want BYU in their conference, and those protests against BYU were a bit....convenient. Baylor's very public scandal isn't causing them any outrage.

This hit too close between the post-spring break fog and finals. Priorities!

Baylor's too good a school for the faculty up there to instigate the kids. BYU's a punching bag. They're both terrible places for women, but, Baylor's easier to scapegoat athletics, whereas BYU is student life. Hypocrisy in higher education?! No way!

If the b12 had balls they'd kick Baylor out immediately.

Upcoming Baylor Football non-conference opponents below. I wonder, if the power conferences (except Big 12) wanted to begin to "freeze out" Baylor due to the scandal, it wouldn't be too hard. There's only four (plus BYU) P4 schools on their upcoming schedules in 2018 or later.

2017
Duke
Liberty
UTSA

2018
Abilene Christian
Duke
UTSA

2019
Stephen F. Austin
Rice
UTSA

2020
Ole Miss
Incarnate Word
Rice

2021
BYU
Texas State
Louisiana Tech

2022
Louisiana Tech
Texas State
BYU

2023
Utah
Texas State

2024
Utah

2027/2028
Oregon

(05-25-2017 09:46 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Upcoming Baylor Football non-conference opponents below. I wonder, if the power conferences (except Big 12) wanted to begin to "freeze out" Baylor due to the scandal, it wouldn't be too hard. There's only four (plus BYU) P4 schools on their upcoming schedules in 2018 or later.

2017
Duke
Liberty
UTSA

2018
Abilene Christian
Duke
UTSA

2019
Stephen F. Austin
Rice
UTSA

2020
Ole Miss
Incarnate Word
Rice

2021
BYU
Texas State
Louisiana Tech

2022
Louisiana Tech
Texas State
BYU

2023
Utah
Texas State

2024
Utah

2027/2028
Oregon

That looks like an upgrade over recent past Baylor OOC schedules:

2016: SMU, Rice, Northwestern State
2015: SMU, Lamar, Rice
2014: SMU, Buffalo, Northwest State
2013: Wofford, Buffalo, ULM
2012: SMU, Sam Houston, ULM

(05-17-2017 11:56 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 11:42 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Link:

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/lawsuit-baylo.../440463956


Another civil lawsuit was filed against Baylor Tuesday by a former volleyball player, who claims she was the victim of a brutal gang rape that the University failed to address.

The victim said she was raped by as many as eight Baylor football players on Feb. 11, 2012. That was approximately a month before two more female Baylor students were allegedly gang raped by football players, as has previously been reported.

According to the new lawsuit, the plaintiff was repeatedly harassed by football players as late as May 2013. In July, her mother met with an assistant football coach at a Waco restaurant, where the mother provided a list of players allegedly involved in the gang rape, according to the lawsuit.

Two months later, the University broke ground on McLane Stadium. As the stadium was being constructed, the plaintiff was harassed, forced to have class with two of her assailants, and two Baylor football players burglarized her apartment, the lawsuit said. The burglary was in April 2013, according to the plaintiff. That same month, a member of the Baylor Bruins hostess program was brutally gang raped by Baylor football players Tre'Von Armstead and Shamycheal "Myke" Chatman, according to the court filing.

If all this is true (I'll let the courts decide that...) I don't see how the NCAA can do anything but kill the program, perhaps the entire athletic department. I don't think they'd want to look weak on this considering many thought that's exactly what happened with PSU.

Even if the NCAA doesn't take action, does the Big XII want that albatross hanging around their neck with everything else that's going on with that conference?

If they do kick Baylor out, could that be the opening OU and TX need to look elsewhere before the GOR runs out?

The Big 12 should strike while the Iron is hot and replace them with Houston (as a political compromise)

While everyone wants their team to go undefeated, events like this should serve as a reminder that none of these sports teams should really be taken that seriously. Baylor doesn't happen if the culture that worships teenage athletes above all else doesn't exist.

We collectively as a culture made our bed and now we all get to rot in it and die together.

It's now coming out that Baylor changed the scope of Pepper Hamilton's engagement about 6 months into the investigation to "anticipation of litigation" so as to protect the findings under the work product privilege.

That Baylor did not anticipate litigation at the outset speaks to how well Briles, McCaw and others kept a lid on most of it.