SEC East (without additions):

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina, Vanderbilt


SEC West (without additions):
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi State, Missouri, Tennessee, Texas A&M

8 Conference Games. 1 permanent rival.

Permanent Rivals:
Alabama/Auburn
Mississippi/Mississippi State
Tennessee/Vanderbilt
Missouri/Kentucky
L.S.U./South Carolina
Texas A&M/Florida
Arkansas/Georgia

SEC EAST (with additions):
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

SEC WEST (with additions):
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M

9 Conference Games

No Permanent Rivals

Rotate 2 Games from the other division every year. (not home and home)

(05-16-2017 10:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  SEC East (without additions):

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina, Vanderbilt


SEC West (without additions):
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi State, Missouri, Tennessee, Texas A&M

8 Conference Games. 1 permanent rival.

Permanent Rivals:
Alabama/Auburn
Mississippi/Mississippi State
Tennessee/Vanderbilt
Missouri/Kentucky
L.S.U./South Carolina
Texas A&M/Florida
Arkansas/Georgia

SEC EAST (with additions):
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

SEC WEST (with additions):
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M

9 Conference Games

No Permanent Rivals

Rotate 2 Games from the other division every year. (not home and home)

As permanent rivals I totally understand the first three pairs. I am having trouble with the rest. How did you arrive at this scenario?

SEC without additions & with permanent rivals.
East West
Auburn Alabama
Florida LSU
Georgia Arkansas
Tennessee A&M
SC Ole Miss
Kentucky Missouri
Vanderbilt Miss State

SEC with additions but no permanent rivals.
East West
Alabama Texas
Auburn Oklahoma
Florida LSU
Georgia A&M
Tennessee Arkansas
SC Miss State
Kentucky Missouri
Vanderbilt Ole Miss

(05-16-2017 11:52 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 10:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  SEC East (without additions):

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina, Vanderbilt


SEC West (without additions):
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi State, Missouri, Tennessee, Texas A&M

8 Conference Games. 1 permanent rival.

Permanent Rivals:
Alabama/Auburn
Mississippi/Mississippi State
Tennessee/Vanderbilt
Missouri/Kentucky
L.S.U./South Carolina
Texas A&M/Florida
Arkansas/Georgia

SEC EAST (with additions):
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

SEC WEST (with additions):
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M

9 Conference Games

No Permanent Rivals

Rotate 2 Games from the other division every year. (not home and home)

As permanent rivals I totally understand the first three pairs. I am having trouble with the rest. How did you arrive at this scenario?

Arkansas and South Carolina got tired of playing each other. A&M and Florida like playing one another for recruiting trips, Kentucky and Missouri are relatively close. L.S.U. and Florida hated playing each other and Georgia folks like New Orleans which is an easy side trip from Baton Rouge.

(05-17-2017 12:08 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  SEC without additions & with permanent rivals.
East West
Auburn Alabama
Florida LSU
Georgia Arkansas
Tennessee A&M
SC Ole Miss
Kentucky Missouri
Vanderbilt Miss State

SEC with additions but no permanent rivals.
East West
Alabama Texas
Auburn Oklahoma
Florida LSU
Georgia A&M
Tennessee Arkansas
SC Miss State
Kentucky Missouri
Vanderbilt Ole Miss

I like the optimism of Texas and Oklahoma.

(05-17-2017 12:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:08 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  SEC without additions & with permanent rivals.
East West
Auburn Alabama
Florida LSU
Georgia Arkansas
Tennessee A&M
SC Ole Miss
Kentucky Missouri
Vanderbilt Miss State

SEC with additions but no permanent rivals.
East West
Alabama Texas
Auburn Oklahoma
Florida LSU
Georgia A&M
Tennessee Arkansas
SC Miss State
Kentucky Missouri
Vanderbilt Ole Miss

I like the optimism of Texas and Oklahoma.

I broke them down into pods. Permanent rivals listed indicates a top three rivalry that is outside of current pod as listed by https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturda...lries/amp/

Pods (permanent rivals, 2)
Texas (A&M)
Oklahoma
Arkansas (A&M, Ole Miss)
Missouri

LSU (Ala, Aub)
Texas A&M (Ark, Tex)
Ole Miss
MIssissippi State

Alabama (LSU, Aub)
Tennessee (Ga, FL)
Vanderbilt
Kentucky

Auburn (LSU)
Florida (Tenn)
Georgia (Tenn)
South Carolina

No additions:
Do away with divisions, have 3 permanent rivals, rotate the 10 others H-H 5 at a time, so that every 4 year player plays every school at home and at their place.

Additions:
Do away with divisions, have 3 permanent rivals, rotate the 12 others H-H 6 at a time, so that every 4 year player plays every school at home and at their place.

Keep them the same.

9 games with no permanent rivals would be ideal for me.

(05-17-2017 10:11 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  No additions:
Do away with divisions, have 3 permanent rivals, rotate the 10 others H-H 5 at a time, so that every 4 year player plays every school at home and at their place.

Additions:
Do away with divisions, have 3 permanent rivals, rotate the 12 others H-H 6 at a time, so that every 4 year player plays every school at home and at their place.

That's about where I'm at.

We need to make preserving rivalries a priority and that's the best way to do it. Even if we don't make additions, I think we need to go to 9 games. The games are valuable and I'm tired of playing so many cupcakes.

We should probably do conference semis though so we don't run the risk of using too many tiebreakers to determine the participants.

(05-17-2017 12:44 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 10:11 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  No additions:
Do away with divisions, have 3 permanent rivals, rotate the 10 others H-H 5 at a time, so that every 4 year player plays every school at home and at their place.

Additions:
Do away with divisions, have 3 permanent rivals, rotate the 12 others H-H 6 at a time, so that every 4 year player plays every school at home and at their place.

That's about where I'm at.

We need to make preserving rivalries a priority and that's the best way to do it. Even if we don't make additions, I think we need to go to 9 games. The games are valuable and I'm tired of playing so many cupcakes.

We should probably do conference semis though so we don't run the risk of using too many tiebreakers to determine the participants.

We will get there. But remember this. The SEC isn't giving up a single concession without a pay incentive!

It looks like the final step of realignment will be the next pay hike.
Then we will sell a 9th conference game.
Then we will sell another OOC P5 game
Then we will seek expansion to a 4 team Conference Championship Series.
Then we will seek another OOC P5 game.
When we have moved to 9 conference games and 3 OOC P5 games or 10 conference games and 2 OOC P5 games we will be done.

Then if there are more concessions it will be for other sports. Earlier big games in basketball. More conference games in basketball. Midweek games in baseball against other nearby P5 schools (Auburn / Ga Tech, Tennessee / N.C. State, Georgia / Clemson, Missouri / Louisville , etc.) Those Tuesday games would be a much bigger TV draw than what we currently play. Then baseball adds more conference games.

So these will all take place 1 piece at a time so they can be milked.

(05-16-2017 10:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  SEC East (without additions):

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina, Vanderbilt


SEC West (without additions):
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi State, Missouri, Tennessee, Texas A&M

8 Conference Games. 1 permanent rival.

Permanent Rivals:
Alabama/Auburn
Mississippi/Mississippi State
Tennessee/Vanderbilt
Missouri/Kentucky
L.S.U./South Carolina
Texas A&M/Florida
Arkansas/Georgia

SEC EAST (with additions):
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

SEC WEST (with additions):
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M

9 Conference Games

No Permanent Rivals

Rotate 2 Games from the other division every year. (not home and home)

Why do the Vols to accommodate Auburn in your no addition scenario?

(05-18-2017 09:38 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 10:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  SEC East (without additions):

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina, Vanderbilt


SEC West (without additions):
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi State, Missouri, Tennessee, Texas A&M

8 Conference Games. 1 permanent rival.

Permanent Rivals:
Alabama/Auburn
Mississippi/Mississippi State
Tennessee/Vanderbilt
Missouri/Kentucky
L.S.U./South Carolina
Texas A&M/Florida
Arkansas/Georgia

SEC EAST (with additions):
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

SEC WEST (with additions):
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M

9 Conference Games

No Permanent Rivals

Rotate 2 Games from the other division every year. (not home and home)

Why do the Vols to accommodate Auburn in your no addition scenario?

Well for the Alabama / Tennessee game. That's why additions work the best. Although Hawghiggs has suggested an interesting proposal. Vanderbilt and Missouri to the West and Alabama and Auburn to the East in the no additions portion. That actually works best. Vanderbilt remains Tennessee's crossover and they get Ole Miss annually. Tennessee gets to keep Alabama and Kentucky and regains Auburn.
Auburn gets to keep Alabama, Georgia, and regain Tennessee and Florida. No main rivalries are disrupted and a few are restored. I like it.

If I thought Bama would let Auburn go, Hawgs plan would definitely work

(05-19-2017 12:52 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  If I thought Bama would let Auburn go, Hawgs plan would definitely work

Well with that plan Alabama has no reason not to other than an assertion of power.

Add 6 from the XII! TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Iowa St, and West Virginia.

2 divisions of 10

Old Guard: LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
New Blood: Texas A&M, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Iowa St, West Virginia, South Carolina

4 divisions of 5

North: West Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, Kansas, Iowa St
West: Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, TCU, Texas A&M
South: LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn
East: Vanderbilt, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida

(05-19-2017 01:24 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Add 6 from the XII! TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Iowa St, and West Virginia.

2 divisions of 10

Old Guard: LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
New Blood: Texas A&M, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Iowa St, West Virginia, South Carolina

4 divisions of 5

North: West Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, Kansas, Iowa St
West: Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, TCU, Texas A&M
South: LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn
East: Vanderbilt, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida

I don't think the SEC would want TCU or Iowa St. I don't think they really want Kansas or Oklahoma State either, but they might tolerate those two.