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Michigan coach Harbaugh via video calls Fox "The new primary home for Big Ten football."
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Michigan coach Harbaugh via video calls Fox "The new primary home for Big Ten football."
-- @Ourand_SBJ


Well that's a surprise!
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Things are aligning for megaconferences.

B1G + Pac-12 + ACC NE of the Potomac => FOX
ACC + SEC + Big 12 => ESPN
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(05-16-2017 02:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Things are aligning for megaconferences.

B1G + Pac-12 + ACC NE of the Potomac => FOX
ACC + SEC + Big 12 => ESPN

Does that mean we get West Virginia or not?
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(05-16-2017 02:43 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Things are aligning for megaconferences.

B1G + Pac-12 + ACC NE of the Potomac => FOX
ACC + SEC + Big 12 => ESPN

Does that mean we get West Virginia or not?


Depends. If ND, BC, Cuse, and UCONN are cleanly shipped to the B1G then I think WVU ends up in whatever the ACC+SEC+Big12 is called. If the ACC can't punt away its Northern teams then there's no room.
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(05-16-2017 02:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Things are aligning for megaconferences.

B1G + Pac-12 + ACC NE of the Potomac => FOX
ACC + SEC + Big 12 => ESPN

I would assume we would keep separate "divisions". Moving Missouri and Arkansas to the Big 12 division (for 12) and West Virginia into the ACC division for 11 or would you foresee that we would add Cincinnati to get the ACC division up to 12?
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(05-16-2017 02:43 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Things are aligning for megaconferences.

B1G + Pac-12 + ACC NE of the Potomac => FOX
ACC + SEC + Big 12 => ESPN

Does that mean we get West Virginia or not?


Depends. If ND, BC, Cuse, and UCONN are cleanly shipped to the B1G then I think WVU ends up in whatever the ACC+SEC+Big12 is called. If the ACC can't punt away its Northern teams then there's no room.

With UConn and Notre Dame it gives the bad guys 31 (we have 36 with Cincinnati). Do they swallow hard and take BYU?
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(05-16-2017 02:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Things are aligning for megaconferences.

B1G + Pac-12 + ACC NE of the Potomac => FOX
ACC + SEC + Big 12 => ESPN

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(05-16-2017 02:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:51 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:43 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Things are aligning for megaconferences.

B1G + Pac-12 + ACC NE of the Potomac => FOX
ACC + SEC + Big 12 => ESPN

Does that mean we get West Virginia or not?


Depends. If ND, BC, Cuse, and UCONN are cleanly shipped to the B1G then I think WVU ends up in whatever the ACC+SEC+Big12 is called. If the ACC can't punt away its Northern teams then there's no room.

With UConn and Notre Dame it gives the bad guys 31 (we have 36 with Cincinnati). Do they swallow hard and take BYU?

#TeamMegaconference
Atlantic Division: UVA, VT, UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Pitt, WVU, UofL
Coastal Division: Clemson, USC-E, UGAg, GT, TN, FSU, UF, Auburn, UK
Southeastern Division: Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, TAMU, Texas, Vandy, Miami
Plains Division: Baylor, TCU, TTU, OU, Oklahoma St, Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska

Permanent Rivals:
Duke-GT, TN-VT, FSU-Miami, Clemson-NCST, UNC-SC, UofL-UK, Auburn-Alabama, Vandy-WF, Texas-OU, TAMU-TCU, Baylor-TTU, OklahomaSt-Arkansas, UVA-Mizzou, Nebraska-UGAg (Corndawgs!), UF-LSU, Pitt-KState, Ole Miss-Kansas, WVU-MissState

There would be no Cincinnati in this arrangement. If there were, it would be in the other conference.
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RE: Harbaugh: FOX New Home of B1G Football
(05-16-2017 03:01 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:51 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:43 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Things are aligning for megaconferences.

B1G + Pac-12 + ACC NE of the Potomac => FOX
ACC + SEC + Big 12 => ESPN

Does that mean we get West Virginia or not?


Depends. If ND, BC, Cuse, and UCONN are cleanly shipped to the B1G then I think WVU ends up in whatever the ACC+SEC+Big12 is called. If the ACC can't punt away its Northern teams then there's no room.

With UConn and Notre Dame it gives the bad guys 31 (we have 36 with Cincinnati). Do they swallow hard and take BYU?

#TeamMegaconference
Atlantic Division: UVA, VT, UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Pitt, WVU, UofL
Coastal Division: Clemson, USC-E, UGAg, GT, TN, FSU, UF, Auburn, UK
Southeastern Division: Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, TAMU, Texas, Vandy, Miami
Plains Division: Baylor, TCU, TTU, OU, Oklahoma St, Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska

Permanent Rivals:
Duke-GT, TN-VT, FSU-Miami, Clemson-NCST, UNC-SC, UofL-UK, Auburn-Alabama, Vandy-WF, Texas-OU, TAMU-TCU, Baylor-TTU, OklahomaSt-Arkansas, UVA-Mizzou, Nebraska-UGAg (Corndawgs!), UF-LSU, Pitt-KState, Ole Miss-Kansas, WVU-MissState

There would be no Cincinnati in this arrangement. If there were, it would be in the other conference.

I see you made Nebraska a condition of the swaps. Cincinnati can to to the other guys.

I see that you gave them Iowa State too.
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RE: Harbaugh: FOX New Home of B1G Football
(05-16-2017 03:01 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:51 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:43 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 02:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Things are aligning for megaconferences.

B1G + Pac-12 + ACC NE of the Potomac => FOX
ACC + SEC + Big 12 => ESPN

Does that mean we get West Virginia or not?


Depends. If ND, BC, Cuse, and UCONN are cleanly shipped to the B1G then I think WVU ends up in whatever the ACC+SEC+Big12 is called. If the ACC can't punt away its Northern teams then there's no room.

With UConn and Notre Dame it gives the bad guys 31 (we have 36 with Cincinnati). Do they swallow hard and take BYU?

#TeamMegaconference
Atlantic Division: UVA, VT, UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Pitt, WVU, UofL
Coastal Division: Clemson, USC-E, UGAg, GT, TN, FSU, UF, Auburn, UK
Southeastern Division: Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, TAMU, Texas, Vandy, Miami
Plains Division: Baylor, TCU, TTU, OU, Oklahoma St, Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska

Permanent Rivals:
Duke-GT, TN-VT, FSU-Miami, Clemson-NCST, UNC-SC, UofL-UK, Auburn-Alabama, Vandy-WF, Texas-OU, TAMU-TCU, Baylor-TTU, OklahomaSt-Arkansas, UVA-Mizzou, Nebraska-UGAg (Corndawgs!), UF-LSU, Pitt-KState, Ole Miss-Kansas, WVU-MissState

There would be no Cincinnati in this arrangement. If there were, it would be in the other conference.

We're not going to like not playing in Atlanta.
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(05-16-2017 03:09 PM)XLance Wrote:  We're not going to like not playing in Atlanta.

You'll feel better when you realize you play WF/NCST/Duke/UVA/USC-e every year in football and you get to play the Tobacco Road Round Robin (home and home) against those same teams in hoops.
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(05-16-2017 04:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 03:09 PM)XLance Wrote:  We're not going to like not playing in Atlanta.

You'll feel better when you realize you play WF/NCST/Duke/UVA/USC-e every year in football and you get to play the Tobacco Road Round Robin (home and home) against those same teams in hoops.

We would gladly give up the red menace.
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05-nono Nothing here but pure speculation. Come on ya'll, I know summer is boring, but this a lot of BS! 07-coffee3
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I am not following along with any of this? What are you guys talking about? Is this some sort of weird inside joke that I am missing out on? Teams North of the Potomac? What does that even mean beyond the obvious goofy geographical nonsense?

One post has Pitt playing Kansas State as its "permanent rival." Sure, that's going to happen. I am really looking forward to all of those semi-annual trips to the "Little Apple."
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(05-17-2017 06:16 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  One post has Pitt playing Kansas State as its "permanent rival." Sure, that's going to happen. I am really looking forward to all of those semi-annual trips to the "Little Apple."


The alternative is you play in the B1G. Which is still a viable shake out, it would just change the organization some. You would gain rivals in ND and PSU. But lose the ability to play WVU and VT virtually ever again.
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(05-17-2017 06:16 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I am not following along with any of this? What are you guys talking about? Is this some sort of weird inside joke that I am missing out on? Teams North of the Potomac? What does that even mean beyond the obvious goofy geographical nonsense?


The Megaconference is something I and a few others hypothesize to be the end game of all the realignment and TV fighting. It's sort of the creature you create if your only goal is to make as much money as possible. Have some copypasta:

#TeamMegaconference
Atlantic Division: UVA, VT, UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Pitt, WVU, UofL
Coastal Division: Clemson, USC-E, UGAg, GT, TN, FSU, UF, Auburn, UK
Southeastern Division: Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, TAMU, Texas, Vandy, Miami
Plains Division: Baylor, TCU, TTU, OU, Oklahoma St, Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska

Permanent Rivals:
Duke-GT, TN-VT, FSU-Miami, Clemson-NCST, UNC-SC, UofL-UK, Auburn-Alabama, Vandy-WF, Texas-OU, TAMU-TCU, Baylor-TTU, OklahomaSt-Arkansas, UVA-Mizzou, Nebraska-UGAg (Corndawgs!), UF-LSU, Pitt-KState, Ole Miss-Kansas, WVU-MissState

Other Definite Megaconferences: B1G+Pac-12+UCONN+ND+BC+Cuse
Plausible Other Megaconferences: SE Sun Belt + SE C-USA + SE AAC || MWC + Gulf Sun Belt + Gulf C-USA + Gulf AAC + Plausible FCS callups (NDSU/Montana/etc)
Surviving Largely Unchanged: MAC
Surviving Independents: Service Academies

- Nobody screwed over, everybody still in, everybody makes more money. This also means no political moves to stop/change things.
- IDEAL conference scheduling. You can have 4 division games and 4 teams with a bye, or 4 division games and 2 crossover games.
- Spring game replaced by exhibition game against FCS that does not count against standings. Game sold as part of season ticket sales at near game prices.
- No more games against FCS during the regular season.
- Out of conference scheduling would likely creep down to just one game a year (a big pre-season game at a neutral site or OOC rivalry) to maximize TV inventory and minimize scheduling costs by eliminating "paycheck" games and expensive cancellation replacements.
- The two megaconferences have four TV channels dedicated just to them with divisional representative HQ locations
--- ACC/SEC/Big12: Dallas, Birmingham, Atlanta, Charlotte
--- B1G/Pac12/ND/BC/UCONN/Cuse: New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, (Denver/Seattle/Boston/San Francisco)

... How convenient that there are already ESPN and FOX studios in nearly all of those cities ...


- 16 team playoff, just like with FCS.
- Each division champ in the power megaconferences are autobid => 8 teams.
--- If G5 conferences remain unchanged ... autobid from any undefeated G5.
--- If the G5 reorganizes into megaconferences, then they can get conference based autobids. I could see that rule leading to a world where the G5 becomes two megaconferences:
------ 1) MAC + NE AAC/C-USA/Sun Belt + MWC
------ 2) SE/Gulf AAC/C-USA/Sun Belt
------ The service academies could go either way or broker a deal between them to stay independent.
- In either case, fill remaining slots at large by committee.



So, ultimately what the G5 gets out of it is:
- Increased revenue due to above restructuring of rules/pre-season/etc
- If they're willing to play ball and form their own megaconferences, they get the bonuses of:
--- Guaranteed playoff access and thus a guaranteed big paycheck
--- Guaranteed national exposure via playoff
--- Guaranteed big time game against big boys via playoff
--- Decreased travel costs
--- Increased gate/TV revenue due to better more regional schedule


And that ladies and gents is how you maximize revenue FOR EVERYBODY involved, realign everybody towards their ideal, and not create a situation where people are getting screwed over and thus political forces come into play. As a bonus, this group is big enough to start putting in place more sane recruiting restrictions (which everybody wants), and maybe work towards restoring financial sanity in college football with staff/facility/spending caps (which the 10-15 or so biggest football factories do NOT want, but which everybody ELSE does).
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I have a tangibly better idea than mega conferences:

8 conferences of 8 schools

BIG EAST - MSG - Pinstripe Bowl
1. Boston College
2. Syracuse
3. Penn State
4. Notre Dame
5. Pittsburgh
6. Maryland
7. West Virginia
8. Miami
*Villanova
*UConn
*St. John's
*Rutgers (w/ football scheduling alliance)

ACC - Greensboro - Orange Bowl
1. North Carolina
2. Duke
3. North Carolina State
4. Wake
5. Virginia
6. Virginia Tech
7. Clemson
8. Georgia Tech
*Georgetown

B1G TEN - Chicago - Cotton Bowl
1. Michigan State
2. Michigan
3. Ohio State
4. Purdue
5. Indiana
6. Illinois
7. Northwestern
8. Missouri
*St. Xavier

BIG 8 - Rotates - Fiesta Bowl
1. Minnesota
2. Wisconsin
3. Iowa
4. Iowa State
5. Nebraska
6. Kansas
7. Kansas State
8. Oklahoma
*Marquette
*Creighton

PAC 8 - LA - Rose Bowl
1. Washington
2. Washington State
3. Oregon
4. Oregon State
5. UCLA
6. Southern California
7. Cal Berkeley
8. Stanford
*Gonzaga
*UNLV

BORDER CONFERENCE - Rotates - Sun Bowl
1. Arizona
2. Arizona State
3. Texas Tech
4. Texas Christian
5. Houston
6. Oklahoma State
7. Utah
8. Colorado
*BYU
*Baylor

SEC WEST - New Orleans - Sugar Bowl
1. Louisiana State
2. Alabama
3. Auburn
4. Arkansas
5. Texas A&M
6. Texas
7. Mississippi
8. Mississippi State
*Memphis

SEC EAST - Atlanta - Peach Bowl
1. Florida
2. Florida State
3. Georgia
4. Tennessee
5. Vanderbilt
6. Kentucky
7. Louisville
8. South Carolina
*Cincinnati

*Denotes non-football member

TV Rights:
SEC East and SEC West negotiate TV together. B1G TEN and BIG 8 negotiate TV together. BIG EAST and ACC negotiate together. PAC 8 and Border Conference negotiate together.

Bowls:
These might need a little tweaking, but I'm thinking Orange (ACC), Sugar (SEC West), Fiesta (Big 8), Sun (Border), Rose (PAC), Peach (SEC East), Cotton (B1G TEN), and Pinstripe (BIG EAST)

The BIG EAST doesn't have a natural tie-in, and neither do the Big 8/B1G TEN (because the Rose makes more sense going to the Pac).

The small conference schedules allow for more flexibility. For instance, OU could schedule Texas and Oklahoma State, an FCS game, a buy game, and a major H&H game. Clemson could play Georgia, South Carolina, and Auburn OOC, plus an in-state buy game and a big neutral site OOC game. Georgia Tech could play Georgia and Auburn. Alabama could play Tennessee. Texas could play Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas Tech/Houston, a buy game, and a big neutral OOC game. Notre Dame could play USC and Stanford and a neutral game against Navy, a buy game, and a big OOC game. PSU could play Ohio State and Michigan State. Ohio State could play PSU and MI, WI, and Iowa. Michigan could play 2 of MI, WI, and Iowa, a buy game, an FCS game, and a big OOC game.
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(05-17-2017 11:32 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  ACC - Greensboro - Orange Bowl
1. North Carolina
2. Duke
3. North Carolina State
4. Duke
5. Virginia
6. Virginia Tech
7. Clemson
8. Georgia Tech
*Georgetown

I think you mean Wake.
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(05-18-2017 12:29 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(05-17-2017 11:32 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  ACC - Greensboro - Orange Bowl
1. North Carolina
2. Duke
3. North Carolina State
4. Duke
5. Virginia
6. Virginia Tech
7. Clemson
8. Georgia Tech
*Georgetown

I think you mean Wake.

Good catch.
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