Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
AllTideUp Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,154
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 559
I Root For: Alabama
Location:
Post: #1
Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
Notre Dame pulls down 15 million from their NBC deal. It's really not that much considering what other Power programs get from their new media rights deals. There's about an extra 6 million thrown in from the ACC so the Irish aren't poor, but look at current payouts from the ACC and you can see they could actually stand to make significantly more with a full share once the ACCN comes on line.

Is now the right time for ND to join the ACC in full?
05-15-2017 09:06 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


murrdcu Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,969
Joined: Aug 2014
Reputation: 144
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #2
RE: Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
Seems reasonable as long as ND keeps its rivals like Navy, Stanford, USC and Michigan St.

The best chance the ACC would have in landing the Irish is by keeping 8 conference games and adding Navy at 16
05-15-2017 09:22 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
AllTideUp Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,154
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 559
I Root For: Alabama
Location:
Post: #3
RE: Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
A few thoughts from Brando this evening...


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 10h10 hours ago

Replying to @tsweeney9
No. I've only stated that eventually they will come to their senses and join full time. ND football in this era hurt by Independence.


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 10h10 hours ago

Replying to @tsweeney9
.I've reported talks have taken place and the New Grant of Rights in the ACC is a factor. ESPN's decision to launch a Network an indicator.


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 10h10 hours ago

Replying to @tsweeney9
Hope that helps. I realize many fans go bonkers over realignment convo, but that's all I know.


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 7h7 hours ago

Replying to @HoopsWeiss
Let's pump the breaks here Hoops! I've stated there have been discussions, informal yes, but it's my strong opinion it's a matter of time.


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 6h6 hours ago

Replying to @CGreen63 @HoopsWeiss
Eventually it will become a must. Brian Kelly's not a fan of his schedule and neither would candidates for his Job if it ever became open.


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 6h6 hours ago

Replying to @andrewwinn
Discussions have taken place but not formally. The reality is ND's struggles in the CFB Playoff era are real. Scheduling is a problem.Thanks


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 2h2 hours ago

Replying to @CGreen63 @HoopsWeiss
Yeah well that may be true for their fans and Alums,but none of those are 4Star or 5Star recruits.They want BLING and multiple title chances


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 2h2 hours ago

Replying to @CGreen63 @HoopsWeiss
Think whatever ya like. They've had a great season. Largely irrelevant the other 25 years since Holtz left. Kelly's a good Coach needs help.


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 45m45 minutes ago

As late as 3 years ago Brian Kelly discussed at length on my radio/tv simulcast how awkward their schedule played out. It's a BIG problem.


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 31m31 minutes ago

Replying to @TCBnole @HoopsWeiss
.Heard the same thing when people told me a year ago there would NEVER be an ACC Linear Cable Network. It's business and so is this! Thanks
05-15-2017 09:28 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
AllTideUp Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,154
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 559
I Root For: Alabama
Location:
Post: #4
RE: Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
(05-15-2017 09:22 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Seems reasonable as long as ND keeps its rivals like Navy, Stanford, USC and Michigan St.

The best chance the ACC would have in landing the Irish is by keeping 8 conference games and adding Navy at 16

I don't think Navy would go, but that's just me.

There's been a lot of buzz about Cincinnati. I think it makes sense. There are a ton of ND fans in OH. If ND and UC are in the same league and it has a network then I think you could get a lot of subs out of that.
05-15-2017 09:32 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


murrdcu Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,969
Joined: Aug 2014
Reputation: 144
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #5
RE: Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
I looked at ND's future scheduling on fbsfutures.com, now 2019 appears to be full but 2020 has tons of openings. So if there is a time to discuss this, now would be the cheapest time to buyout one or two seasons of some of those games if Norte Dame wants that full share on day on the launch of that Network.
05-15-2017 09:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
murrdcu Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,969
Joined: Aug 2014
Reputation: 144
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #6
RE: Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
(05-15-2017 09:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:22 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Seems reasonable as long as ND keeps its rivals like Navy, Stanford, USC and Michigan St.

The best chance the ACC would have in landing the Irish is by keeping 8 conference games and adding Navy at 16

I don't think Navy would go, but that's just me.

There's been a lot of buzz about Cincinnati. I think it makes sense. There are a ton of ND fans in OH. If ND and UC are in the same league and it has a network then I think you could get a lot of subs out of that.

I wouldn't be surprised if West Virginia got looked at. Within footprint, best football and basketball combination possibly available. Would be resistance from the Carolinas, but the football schools got Louisville in and I'm sure ESPN will give their evaluations.
05-15-2017 09:44 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JRsec Offline
Super Moderator
*

Posts: 37,886
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation: 7737
I Root For: SEC
Location:
Post: #7
RE: Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
(05-15-2017 09:22 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Seems reasonable as long as ND keeps its rivals like Navy, Stanford, USC and Michigan St.

The best chance the ACC would have in landing the Irish is by keeping 8 conference games and adding Navy at 16

Navy is off the board! And by their own choice. Everyone needs to forget the service academies period. Several years ago they decided not to pursue the P conferences and three weeks ago they did away with the waivers for athletes drafted by the pros. All kids now will fulfill their service obligations before pursuing anything in private life. They are now discussing whether to stay in the G5. Under the new (old rules) they will now find it terribly hard to recruit. They gave up the P pursuit because height and weight restrictions mean that their lineman are up against players taller and heavier than they can use. They give up 80lbs on the OL and DL per man to the opposition and their injury rate is way too high.

What they are doing is responsible to their mission and our country and I applaud them. They didn't want this to be national story line out of respect to the cadets who would still gladly give up that weight difference to play.

There will be no Navy in the ACC. They would like to keep playing N.D. because of historic ties, but even that may go away eventually. They are probably better suited for competition in the Ivies than anywhere else.
05-15-2017 09:45 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


JRsec Offline
Super Moderator
*

Posts: 37,886
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation: 7737
I Root For: SEC
Location:
Post: #8
RE: Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
(05-15-2017 09:44 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:22 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Seems reasonable as long as ND keeps its rivals like Navy, Stanford, USC and Michigan St.

The best chance the ACC would have in landing the Irish is by keeping 8 conference games and adding Navy at 16

I don't think Navy would go, but that's just me.

There's been a lot of buzz about Cincinnati. I think it makes sense. There are a ton of ND fans in OH. If ND and UC are in the same league and it has a network then I think you could get a lot of subs out of that.

I wouldn't be surprised if West Virginia got looked at. Within footprint, best football and basketball combination possibly available. Would be resistance from the Carolinas, but the football schools got Louisville in and I'm sure ESPN will give their evaluations.

Now WVU is certainly a possibility here, and maybe a long shot #2 for the SEC.
05-15-2017 09:48 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
murrdcu Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,969
Joined: Aug 2014
Reputation: 144
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #9
RE: Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
(05-15-2017 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:44 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:22 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Seems reasonable as long as ND keeps its rivals like Navy, Stanford, USC and Michigan St.

The best chance the ACC would have in landing the Irish is by keeping 8 conference games and adding Navy at 16

I don't think Navy would go, but that's just me.

There's been a lot of buzz about Cincinnati. I think it makes sense. There are a ton of ND fans in OH. If ND and UC are in the same league and it has a network then I think you could get a lot of subs out of that.

I wouldn't be surprised if West Virginia got looked at. Within footprint, best football and basketball combination possibly available. Would be resistance from the Carolinas, but the football schools got Louisville in and I'm sure ESPN will give their evaluations.

Now WVU is certainly a possibility here, and maybe a long shot #2 for the SEC.

An OU and WVU would be the best content additions we could realistically extract from the B12--seriously doubt UT would follow. But all the fun would start if we got OU by themselves first.
05-15-2017 10:07 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JRsec Offline
Super Moderator
*

Posts: 37,886
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation: 7737
I Root For: SEC
Location:
Post: #10
RE: Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
(05-15-2017 10:07 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:44 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:22 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Seems reasonable as long as ND keeps its rivals like Navy, Stanford, USC and Michigan St.

The best chance the ACC would have in landing the Irish is by keeping 8 conference games and adding Navy at 16

I don't think Navy would go, but that's just me.

There's been a lot of buzz about Cincinnati. I think it makes sense. There are a ton of ND fans in OH. If ND and UC are in the same league and it has a network then I think you could get a lot of subs out of that.

I wouldn't be surprised if West Virginia got looked at. Within footprint, best football and basketball combination possibly available. Would be resistance from the Carolinas, but the football schools got Louisville in and I'm sure ESPN will give their evaluations.

Now WVU is certainly a possibility here, and maybe a long shot #2 for the SEC.

An OU and WVU would be the best content additions we could realistically extract from the B12--seriously doubt UT would follow. But all the fun would start if we got OU by themselves first.

It would indeed! And I have to wonder what the temptation might be to just stop at 15. Three divisions of 5 give us the same advantages as 18. But I would be just as happy with 2 divisions of 8. But yeah, content wise for hoops and football would be enhanced by OU and WVU. But OSU isn't bad at basketball either.
05-15-2017 10:12 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


Lenvillecards Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,458
Joined: Nov 2013
Reputation: 376
I Root For: Louisville
Location:
Post: #11
Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
(05-15-2017 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:44 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:22 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Seems reasonable as long as ND keeps its rivals like Navy, Stanford, USC and Michigan St.

The best chance the ACC would have in landing the Irish is by keeping 8 conference games and adding Navy at 16

I don't think Navy would go, but that's just me.

There's been a lot of buzz about Cincinnati. I think it makes sense. There are a ton of ND fans in OH. If ND and UC are in the same league and it has a network then I think you could get a lot of subs out of that.

I wouldn't be surprised if West Virginia got looked at. Within footprint, best football and basketball combination possibly available. Would be resistance from the Carolinas, but the football schools got Louisville in and I'm sure ESPN will give their evaluations.

Now WVU is certainly a possibility here, and maybe a long shot #2 for the SEC.

I personally wouldn't have a problem with WV but Cincinnati would offer better recruiting & a larger market. Cincinnati alone isn't enough to gain a large enough following throughout Ohio but aided by ND, Louisville & Pittsburgh(?) that maybe enough. WV in at 17 or 18 would help there as well. You also have the B12 GOR to contend with.

I agree with JR on Navy, a power conference membership would be in contrast of their mission. They have a far more noble & important pursuit.

ND does seem to be putting themselves behind the eight ball for what amounts to 3 games. The loss of $, the disadvantages in recruiting & arguably scheduling seems to be a lot to give up for the "independent" title.
(This post was last modified: 05-16-2017 11:11 AM by Lenvillecards.)
05-16-2017 11:10 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Soobahk40050 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,555
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 103
I Root For: Tennessee
Location:
Post: #12
RE: Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
(05-16-2017 11:10 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:44 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:22 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Seems reasonable as long as ND keeps its rivals like Navy, Stanford, USC and Michigan St.

The best chance the ACC would have in landing the Irish is by keeping 8 conference games and adding Navy at 16

I don't think Navy would go, but that's just me.

There's been a lot of buzz about Cincinnati. I think it makes sense. There are a ton of ND fans in OH. If ND and UC are in the same league and it has a network then I think you could get a lot of subs out of that.

I wouldn't be surprised if West Virginia got looked at. Within footprint, best football and basketball combination possibly available. Would be resistance from the Carolinas, but the football schools got Louisville in and I'm sure ESPN will give their evaluations.

Now WVU is certainly a possibility here, and maybe a long shot #2 for the SEC.

I personally wouldn't have a problem with WV but Cincinnati would offer better recruiting & a larger market. Cincinnati alone isn't enough to gain a large enough following throughout Ohio but aided by ND, Louisville & Pittsburgh(?) that maybe enough. WV in at 17 or 18 would help there as well. You also have the B12 GOR to contend with.

I agree with JR on Navy, a power conference membership would be in contrast of their mission. They have a far more noble & important pursuit.

ND does seem to be putting themselves behind the eight ball for what amounts to 3 games. The loss of $, the disadvantages in recruiting & arguably scheduling seems to be a lot to give up for the "independent" title.


Off the wall proposal: ND joins the ACC in full for 8 games. However, in years where ND is not part of the CFP/Orange Bowl or other Big 6 bowl game, they receive preferred status for any bowl game where the opponent is USC/Stanford/Purdue/Michigan/Michigan St.

Example: The normal pecking order includes the Sun Bowl and the Pinstripe Bowl in the ACC's Tier One bowl group (really the second behind the CFP, Orange, Citrus, and Russell). ND had a good but not great year and would otherwise go to the Citrus or Russell. But Michigan St is playing in the Pinstripe Bowl. ND can choose to skip the Citrus in order to play their rival. Or, ND had a decent year, but not a great one, and Belk/MusicCity and Tax Slayer all want them. But Stanford is in the Sun Bowl. ND can choose to go to that bowl instead.

The bowl that loses out would have first rights to ND the next year ND was eligible and no rival was an option.

This would be a sneaky way for ND to get more rivals on their schedule while still joining a conference. They could still play one or two OOC rivals and have room in their schedule for a couple of G5 games.
05-16-2017 01:26 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
USAFMEDIC Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,914
Joined: Jun 2010
Reputation: 189
I Root For: MIZZOU/FSU/USM
Location: Biloxi, MS
Post: #13
RE: Notre Dame would have made more this year as a full member
(05-15-2017 09:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:22 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Seems reasonable as long as ND keeps its rivals like Navy, Stanford, USC and Michigan St.

The best chance the ACC would have in landing the Irish is by keeping 8 conference games and adding Navy at 16

Navy is off the board! And by their own choice. Everyone needs to forget the service academies period. Several years ago they decided not to pursue the P conferences and three weeks ago they did away with the waivers for athletes drafted by the pros. All kids now will fulfill their service obligations before pursuing anything in private life. They are now discussing whether to stay in the G5. Under the new (old rules) they will now find it terribly hard to recruit. They gave up the P pursuit because height and weight restrictions mean that their lineman are up against players taller and heavier than they can use. They give up 80lbs on the OL and DL per man to the opposition and their injury rate is way too high.

What they are doing is responsible to their mission and our country and I applaud them. They didn't want this to be national story line out of respect to the cadets who would still gladly give up that weight difference to play.

There will be no Navy in the ACC. They would like to keep playing N.D. because of historic ties, but even that may go away eventually. They are probably better suited for competition in the Ivies than anywhere else.
Absolutely spot on Jr. Physical/weight standards as military members keeps the service academy teams a lot smaller in size. These kids can easily lose a promising career as an officer caused by an injury. The government spends a lot of money on these cadets. While I watched the AF Falcons beat the Irish in South Bend, they can't play beasts like these guys week in and week out.
05-17-2017 12:03 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.