Swap Mizzou and Vandy for Auburn and Alabama.

(05-18-2017 03:32 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Swap Mizzou and Vandy for Auburn and Alabama.

The West would be wild again

Here's what I poste on LT's:

I was listening to Pawwwl while picking my kid up at school today. They played a highlight of former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville said he prefers Auburn in the east. Says rivalries with Ole Miss, MSU LSU and Alabama should be preserved. Florida and Georgia are the two rivalries that got moved over

(05-18-2017 04:38 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 03:32 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Swap Mizzou and Vandy for Auburn and Alabama.

The West would be wild again

Here's what I poste on LT's:

I was listening to Pawwwl while picking my kid up at school today. They played a highlight of former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville said he prefers Auburn in the east. Says rivalries with Ole Miss, MSU LSU and Alabama should be preserved. Florida and Georgia are the two rivalries that got moved over

Tubby hates dye, is suck up to Paul, and he is purely manipulative. Ask the Cincy guys and the Texas Tech and Ole Miss people what they think about Tubs. Dye has his finger on the pulse here better than any of our current or past coaches other than Shug Jordan.

(05-18-2017 03:32 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Swap Mizzou and Vandy for Auburn and Alabama.

That might actually work. Tennessee stays with Kentucky and Alabama and plays Vandy as the crossover. Mizzou's closer to home. Vandy's other claimed rival is Ole Miss so that's a plus as well.

(05-18-2017 03:10 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:04 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:20 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 11:26 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  If we can do this and drop permanent rivals (keeping only Auburn/Alabama) I would be for it.

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Some of the other schools might have an issue with favoritism like this. Invite new western members and/or move whatever members required to enable an Alabama/ Auburn east. Problem solved. Alabama keeps the Tennessee rivalry alive. Auburn would welcome the east division. I agree the Iron Bowl is a truly epic game the SEC needs to preserve.

Then you run the risk of completely overpowering the East.

If Auburn only moves East then Alabama has two rivals in the East - one has to go. Tennessee may have more history but Auburn is the bigger rival the last 20 years.

SC, UF, LSU, and A&M are all on board with dropping permanent rivals already. UGA would join them in this scenario as Auburn would be an East team. Arkansas and Missouri have no history and could probably be easily persuaded.

UK/Miss St and Ole Miss/Vandy probably want to keep those games but may be out of luck. If worst comes to worst for the conference, those three could be preserved as well along with Alabama/Auburn.

Gamecock, Auburn has been Alabama's most bitter rival since the 1890's. The only era that separates the series is Bear's 10 year run. We didn't play for over 20 years because Alabama was trying to shut us down as a school and it lasted from the late 1800's until the 20's at which point there were fights and a death at an event. We didn't start playing them again until the late 40's and then by mandate of the Alabama legislature. It hasn't just been bitter for the past 20 years. It's been bitter for 120 years!

Auburn got screwed in '91. We had annually played Georgia, Florida and Tennessee and had recruited those areas since we began playing football. When John Heisman left Auburn he went to Clemson to build their program. He came to us from Virginia. Had the first year uniforms at Clemson not suffered from a bleach problem their colors would have been Navy and Orange the same as Virginia's and Auburn's. Instead the navy turned almost purple and the rest is history. Auburn belongs in the East period! The only time we haven't played a predominantly Eastern schedule is from 1991 until present. Why should our program get hosed because the Gamecocks and Arkansas joined? The only reason we agreed is we were promised by Kramer that it would only be temporary.

Until the putrid East can produce a champion worth playing I don't see what's wrong the the move. The output of the East is the only perception problem the SEC faces. If Florida can get back to speed and Georgia can pick it up then I still don't see how Auburn and Alabama upset the balance since the West historically has had 4 programs making a run per year. Add an Oklahoma and Texas to the West and you have balance. The problem in the East is only exacerbated by Pinkel's cancer and Missouri's subsequent tanking and the fact that Carolina is in transition. But it's been over 20 years since Tennessee was worth a damn! I don't think the Big Orange is going to get back up, ever! There are too many recruiting their grounds from Louisville to Cincinnati, to the ACC. Tennessee boosters and trustees are living in the past just like Alabama did for a decade after Bear, but Alabama woke up, Tennessee hasn't. Spurrier should never have taken his heel off of Clemson but he liked Dabo and really wanted to be back where everyone loved his past, Florida.

I hope Muschamp pulls it together but we got to know him at Auburn and he lacked organizational skills and therefore discipline. We'll see.

Auburn had 5 annual series until 1978. Georgia Tech (1892-1978), Georgia (1894-present), Florida (every year since the late 30's until 2002: WWII excepted), Tennessee (every year from 1956-1991)) and of course Alabama.

Alabama (other than Tennessee and Auburn) seldom played anyone from the East. Their annuals were L.S.U., Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Auburn and Tennessee.

They could easily give up Tennessee but they don't want to because they have dominated that series for the last 25 years. It's not quite as good as having Vanderbilt or Kentucky on their schedule but it's danged close.

They keep that series because statistically it gives them a leg up on Auburn (who has to play Georgia) and LSU (who has to play Florida). There's your reason it can't be done and it's the only reason.

Actually, Bama used to play Georgia quite a bit. We didn't play them annually during most of our stretch, but we've played them 67 times. Remember as well that we haven't played them hardly at all since 92. Ole Miss, by contrast, we've played them fewer times than UGA...65. Remember again that we've been playing them every year since 92 so the numbers are out of whack. UGA used to be a big rival for us although that's obviously faded. Ole Miss has never really been that.

Bama has dominated UT since Saban showed up, that much is true, but we haven't dominated the series for 25 years. UT had won 10 of 12 from 1995 to 2006. Bama had to vacate one of the only wins they had during that stretch. It's actually been remarkably even during the last 20 years or so.

Nonetheless, the Third Saturday in October is an important one. It's important for both schools at that, not just Bama. In fact, in the eyes of many Bama fans, albeit not most, it is more important than the Iron Bowl if we had to pick between the two. I have no idea where the administration falls on that, but if I had to guess then I'd say they'd rather cut their left arms off than give up either one of them.

We've played Mississippi State more than anyone, but the schools are also about 90 miles apart, the closest of any two SEC schools, so it was always natural to do that. The schools are literally situated on the same highway. LSU has always been a pretty big game as well.

Look I get it. Auburn wants to play more Eastern teams, especially Florida. I think you should be able to, but getting rid of the TSIO in order to do it is not going to solve any problems. It'll just create new ones and a few years from now we'll be right back in the same place arguing over this from a different perspective. Getting rid of the TSIO would be akin to getting rid of the South's Oldest Rivalry. Neither are these moves are going to happen and neither should happen.

The first thing we need is 9 games...

We need the 9th game to preserve rivalries and increase our inventory of good cross-division match-ups. Or we could go divisionless and preserve every rivalry anyone cares about...

I knew you didn't have as long of a history with Ole Miss. It's about the same as our Tennessee series. But it's been longer than '92 that Georgia was played regularly.

I like Hawghiggs suggestion. Vandy and Missouri to the West. Auburn and Alabama to the East. Alabama Tennessee is preserved / Alabama Georgia is renewed / Alabama Auburn is preserved.

Auburn Georgia is preserved / Auburn Tennessee is renewed / Auburn Florida is renewed

Tennessee Alabama is preserved / Tennessee Kentucky is preserved / Tennessee Vandy is the new crossover.

Ole Miss Vandy is renewed

Alabama can keep Miss State as the crossover.

That may be about as good as it gets for now. We won't move to 9 games until the CBS contract comes open and we can get paid to do so.

BTW the Iron Bowl is consistently the most viewed SEC match up annually. Alabama's ticket priority is built on the Iron Bowl as is Auburn's. I doubt that game goes away.

(05-18-2017 04:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 03:10 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:04 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:20 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  .
Some of the other schools might have an issue with favoritism like this. Invite new western members and/or move whatever members required to enable an Alabama/ Auburn east. Problem solved. Alabama keeps the Tennessee rivalry alive. Auburn would welcome the east division. I agree the Iron Bowl is a truly epic game the SEC needs to preserve.

Then you run the risk of completely overpowering the East.

If Auburn only moves East then Alabama has two rivals in the East - one has to go. Tennessee may have more history but Auburn is the bigger rival the last 20 years.

SC, UF, LSU, and A&M are all on board with dropping permanent rivals already. UGA would join them in this scenario as Auburn would be an East team. Arkansas and Missouri have no history and could probably be easily persuaded.

UK/Miss St and Ole Miss/Vandy probably want to keep those games but may be out of luck. If worst comes to worst for the conference, those three could be preserved as well along with Alabama/Auburn.

Gamecock, Auburn has been Alabama's most bitter rival since the 1890's. The only era that separates the series is Bear's 10 year run. We didn't play for over 20 years because Alabama was trying to shut us down as a school and it lasted from the late 1800's until the 20's at which point there were fights and a death at an event. We didn't start playing them again until the late 40's and then by mandate of the Alabama legislature. It hasn't just been bitter for the past 20 years. It's been bitter for 120 years!

Auburn got screwed in '91. We had annually played Georgia, Florida and Tennessee and had recruited those areas since we began playing football. When John Heisman left Auburn he went to Clemson to build their program. He came to us from Virginia. Had the first year uniforms at Clemson not suffered from a bleach problem their colors would have been Navy and Orange the same as Virginia's and Auburn's. Instead the navy turned almost purple and the rest is history. Auburn belongs in the East period! The only time we haven't played a predominantly Eastern schedule is from 1991 until present. Why should our program get hosed because the Gamecocks and Arkansas joined? The only reason we agreed is we were promised by Kramer that it would only be temporary.

Until the putrid East can produce a champion worth playing I don't see what's wrong the the move. The output of the East is the only perception problem the SEC faces. If Florida can get back to speed and Georgia can pick it up then I still don't see how Auburn and Alabama upset the balance since the West historically has had 4 programs making a run per year. Add an Oklahoma and Texas to the West and you have balance. The problem in the East is only exacerbated by Pinkel's cancer and Missouri's subsequent tanking and the fact that Carolina is in transition. But it's been over 20 years since Tennessee was worth a damn! I don't think the Big Orange is going to get back up, ever! There are too many recruiting their grounds from Louisville to Cincinnati, to the ACC. Tennessee boosters and trustees are living in the past just like Alabama did for a decade after Bear, but Alabama woke up, Tennessee hasn't. Spurrier should never have taken his heel off of Clemson but he liked Dabo and really wanted to be back where everyone loved his past, Florida.

I hope Muschamp pulls it together but we got to know him at Auburn and he lacked organizational skills and therefore discipline. We'll see.

Auburn had 5 annual series until 1978. Georgia Tech (1892-1978), Georgia (1894-present), Florida (every year since the late 30's until 2002: WWII excepted), Tennessee (every year from 1956-1991)) and of course Alabama.

Alabama (other than Tennessee and Auburn) seldom played anyone from the East. Their annuals were L.S.U., Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Auburn and Tennessee.

They could easily give up Tennessee but they don't want to because they have dominated that series for the last 25 years. It's not quite as good as having Vanderbilt or Kentucky on their schedule but it's danged close.

They keep that series because statistically it gives them a leg up on Auburn (who has to play Georgia) and LSU (who has to play Florida). There's your reason it can't be done and it's the only reason.

Actually, Bama used to play Georgia quite a bit. We didn't play them annually during most of our stretch, but we've played them 67 times. Remember as well that we haven't played them hardly at all since 92. Ole Miss, by contrast, we've played them fewer times than UGA...65. Remember again that we've been playing them every year since 92 so the numbers are out of whack. UGA used to be a big rival for us although that's obviously faded. Ole Miss has never really been that.

Bama has dominated UT since Saban showed up, that much is true, but we haven't dominated the series for 25 years. UT had won 10 of 12 from 1995 to 2006. Bama had to vacate one of the only wins they had during that stretch. It's actually been remarkably even during the last 20 years or so.

Nonetheless, the Third Saturday in October is an important one. It's important for both schools at that, not just Bama. In fact, in the eyes of many Bama fans, albeit not most, it is more important than the Iron Bowl if we had to pick between the two. I have no idea where the administration falls on that, but if I had to guess then I'd say they'd rather cut their left arms off than give up either one of them.

We've played Mississippi State more than anyone, but the schools are also about 90 miles apart, the closest of any two SEC schools, so it was always natural to do that. The schools are literally situated on the same highway. LSU has always been a pretty big game as well.

Look I get it. Auburn wants to play more Eastern teams, especially Florida. I think you should be able to, but getting rid of the TSIO in order to do it is not going to solve any problems. It'll just create new ones and a few years from now we'll be right back in the same place arguing over this from a different perspective. Getting rid of the TSIO would be akin to getting rid of the South's Oldest Rivalry. Neither are these moves are going to happen and neither should happen.

The first thing we need is 9 games...

We need the 9th game to preserve rivalries and increase our inventory of good cross-division match-ups. Or we could go divisionless and preserve every rivalry anyone cares about...

I knew you didn't have as long of a history with Ole Miss. It's about the same as our Tennessee series. But it's been longer than '92 that Georgia was played regularly.

I like Hawghiggs suggestion. Vandy and Missouri to the West. Auburn and Alabama to the East. Alabama Tennessee is preserved / Alabama Georgia is renewed / Alabama Auburn is preserved.

Auburn Georgia is preserved / Auburn Tennessee is renewed / Auburn Florida is renewed

Tennessee Alabama is preserved / Tennessee Kentucky is preserved / Tennessee Vandy is the new crossover.

Ole Miss Vandy is renewed

Alabama can keep Miss State as the crossover.

That may be about as good as it gets for now. We won't move to 9 games until the CBS contract comes open and we can get paid to do so.

BTW the Iron Bowl is consistently the most viewed SEC match up annually. Alabama's ticket priority is built on the Iron Bowl as is Auburn's. I doubt that game goes away.

Looks like a plan. Do we keep the Arkansas-Mizzou game?

(05-18-2017 06:52 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 04:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 03:10 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:04 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Then you run the risk of completely overpowering the East.

If Auburn only moves East then Alabama has two rivals in the East - one has to go. Tennessee may have more history but Auburn is the bigger rival the last 20 years.

SC, UF, LSU, and A&M are all on board with dropping permanent rivals already. UGA would join them in this scenario as Auburn would be an East team. Arkansas and Missouri have no history and could probably be easily persuaded.

UK/Miss St and Ole Miss/Vandy probably want to keep those games but may be out of luck. If worst comes to worst for the conference, those three could be preserved as well along with Alabama/Auburn.

Gamecock, Auburn has been Alabama's most bitter rival since the 1890's. The only era that separates the series is Bear's 10 year run. We didn't play for over 20 years because Alabama was trying to shut us down as a school and it lasted from the late 1800's until the 20's at which point there were fights and a death at an event. We didn't start playing them again until the late 40's and then by mandate of the Alabama legislature. It hasn't just been bitter for the past 20 years. It's been bitter for 120 years!

Auburn got screwed in '91. We had annually played Georgia, Florida and Tennessee and had recruited those areas since we began playing football. When John Heisman left Auburn he went to Clemson to build their program. He came to us from Virginia. Had the first year uniforms at Clemson not suffered from a bleach problem their colors would have been Navy and Orange the same as Virginia's and Auburn's. Instead the navy turned almost purple and the rest is history. Auburn belongs in the East period! The only time we haven't played a predominantly Eastern schedule is from 1991 until present. Why should our program get hosed because the Gamecocks and Arkansas joined? The only reason we agreed is we were promised by Kramer that it would only be temporary.

Until the putrid East can produce a champion worth playing I don't see what's wrong the the move. The output of the East is the only perception problem the SEC faces. If Florida can get back to speed and Georgia can pick it up then I still don't see how Auburn and Alabama upset the balance since the West historically has had 4 programs making a run per year. Add an Oklahoma and Texas to the West and you have balance. The problem in the East is only exacerbated by Pinkel's cancer and Missouri's subsequent tanking and the fact that Carolina is in transition. But it's been over 20 years since Tennessee was worth a damn! I don't think the Big Orange is going to get back up, ever! There are too many recruiting their grounds from Louisville to Cincinnati, to the ACC. Tennessee boosters and trustees are living in the past just like Alabama did for a decade after Bear, but Alabama woke up, Tennessee hasn't. Spurrier should never have taken his heel off of Clemson but he liked Dabo and really wanted to be back where everyone loved his past, Florida.

I hope Muschamp pulls it together but we got to know him at Auburn and he lacked organizational skills and therefore discipline. We'll see.

Auburn had 5 annual series until 1978. Georgia Tech (1892-1978), Georgia (1894-present), Florida (every year since the late 30's until 2002: WWII excepted), Tennessee (every year from 1956-1991)) and of course Alabama.

Alabama (other than Tennessee and Auburn) seldom played anyone from the East. Their annuals were L.S.U., Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Auburn and Tennessee.

They could easily give up Tennessee but they don't want to because they have dominated that series for the last 25 years. It's not quite as good as having Vanderbilt or Kentucky on their schedule but it's danged close.

They keep that series because statistically it gives them a leg up on Auburn (who has to play Georgia) and LSU (who has to play Florida). There's your reason it can't be done and it's the only reason.

Actually, Bama used to play Georgia quite a bit. We didn't play them annually during most of our stretch, but we've played them 67 times. Remember as well that we haven't played them hardly at all since 92. Ole Miss, by contrast, we've played them fewer times than UGA...65. Remember again that we've been playing them every year since 92 so the numbers are out of whack. UGA used to be a big rival for us although that's obviously faded. Ole Miss has never really been that.

Bama has dominated UT since Saban showed up, that much is true, but we haven't dominated the series for 25 years. UT had won 10 of 12 from 1995 to 2006. Bama had to vacate one of the only wins they had during that stretch. It's actually been remarkably even during the last 20 years or so.

Nonetheless, the Third Saturday in October is an important one. It's important for both schools at that, not just Bama. In fact, in the eyes of many Bama fans, albeit not most, it is more important than the Iron Bowl if we had to pick between the two. I have no idea where the administration falls on that, but if I had to guess then I'd say they'd rather cut their left arms off than give up either one of them.

We've played Mississippi State more than anyone, but the schools are also about 90 miles apart, the closest of any two SEC schools, so it was always natural to do that. The schools are literally situated on the same highway. LSU has always been a pretty big game as well.

Look I get it. Auburn wants to play more Eastern teams, especially Florida. I think you should be able to, but getting rid of the TSIO in order to do it is not going to solve any problems. It'll just create new ones and a few years from now we'll be right back in the same place arguing over this from a different perspective. Getting rid of the TSIO would be akin to getting rid of the South's Oldest Rivalry. Neither are these moves are going to happen and neither should happen.

The first thing we need is 9 games...

We need the 9th game to preserve rivalries and increase our inventory of good cross-division match-ups. Or we could go divisionless and preserve every rivalry anyone cares about...

I knew you didn't have as long of a history with Ole Miss. It's about the same as our Tennessee series. But it's been longer than '92 that Georgia was played regularly.

I like Hawghiggs suggestion. Vandy and Missouri to the West. Auburn and Alabama to the East. Alabama Tennessee is preserved / Alabama Georgia is renewed / Alabama Auburn is preserved.

Auburn Georgia is preserved / Auburn Tennessee is renewed / Auburn Florida is renewed

Tennessee Alabama is preserved / Tennessee Kentucky is preserved / Tennessee Vandy is the new crossover.

Ole Miss Vandy is renewed

Alabama can keep Miss State as the crossover.

That may be about as good as it gets for now. We won't move to 9 games until the CBS contract comes open and we can get paid to do so.

BTW the Iron Bowl is consistently the most viewed SEC match up annually. Alabama's ticket priority is built on the Iron Bowl as is Auburn's. I doubt that game goes away.

Looks like a plan. Do we keep the Arkansas-Mizzou game?

You would be in the same division.

(05-18-2017 04:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 03:10 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:04 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:20 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  .
Some of the other schools might have an issue with favoritism like this. Invite new western members and/or move whatever members required to enable an Alabama/ Auburn east. Problem solved. Alabama keeps the Tennessee rivalry alive. Auburn would welcome the east division. I agree the Iron Bowl is a truly epic game the SEC needs to preserve.

Then you run the risk of completely overpowering the East.

If Auburn only moves East then Alabama has two rivals in the East - one has to go. Tennessee may have more history but Auburn is the bigger rival the last 20 years.

SC, UF, LSU, and A&M are all on board with dropping permanent rivals already. UGA would join them in this scenario as Auburn would be an East team. Arkansas and Missouri have no history and could probably be easily persuaded.

UK/Miss St and Ole Miss/Vandy probably want to keep those games but may be out of luck. If worst comes to worst for the conference, those three could be preserved as well along with Alabama/Auburn.

Gamecock, Auburn has been Alabama's most bitter rival since the 1890's. The only era that separates the series is Bear's 10 year run. We didn't play for over 20 years because Alabama was trying to shut us down as a school and it lasted from the late 1800's until the 20's at which point there were fights and a death at an event. We didn't start playing them again until the late 40's and then by mandate of the Alabama legislature. It hasn't just been bitter for the past 20 years. It's been bitter for 120 years!

Auburn got screwed in '91. We had annually played Georgia, Florida and Tennessee and had recruited those areas since we began playing football. When John Heisman left Auburn he went to Clemson to build their program. He came to us from Virginia. Had the first year uniforms at Clemson not suffered from a bleach problem their colors would have been Navy and Orange the same as Virginia's and Auburn's. Instead the navy turned almost purple and the rest is history. Auburn belongs in the East period! The only time we haven't played a predominantly Eastern schedule is from 1991 until present. Why should our program get hosed because the Gamecocks and Arkansas joined? The only reason we agreed is we were promised by Kramer that it would only be temporary.

Until the putrid East can produce a champion worth playing I don't see what's wrong the the move. The output of the East is the only perception problem the SEC faces. If Florida can get back to speed and Georgia can pick it up then I still don't see how Auburn and Alabama upset the balance since the West historically has had 4 programs making a run per year. Add an Oklahoma and Texas to the West and you have balance. The problem in the East is only exacerbated by Pinkel's cancer and Missouri's subsequent tanking and the fact that Carolina is in transition. But it's been over 20 years since Tennessee was worth a damn! I don't think the Big Orange is going to get back up, ever! There are too many recruiting their grounds from Louisville to Cincinnati, to the ACC. Tennessee boosters and trustees are living in the past just like Alabama did for a decade after Bear, but Alabama woke up, Tennessee hasn't. Spurrier should never have taken his heel off of Clemson but he liked Dabo and really wanted to be back where everyone loved his past, Florida.

I hope Muschamp pulls it together but we got to know him at Auburn and he lacked organizational skills and therefore discipline. We'll see.

Auburn had 5 annual series until 1978. Georgia Tech (1892-1978), Georgia (1894-present), Florida (every year since the late 30's until 2002: WWII excepted), Tennessee (every year from 1956-1991)) and of course Alabama.

Alabama (other than Tennessee and Auburn) seldom played anyone from the East. Their annuals were L.S.U., Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Auburn and Tennessee.

They could easily give up Tennessee but they don't want to because they have dominated that series for the last 25 years. It's not quite as good as having Vanderbilt or Kentucky on their schedule but it's danged close.

They keep that series because statistically it gives them a leg up on Auburn (who has to play Georgia) and LSU (who has to play Florida). There's your reason it can't be done and it's the only reason.

Actually, Bama used to play Georgia quite a bit. We didn't play them annually during most of our stretch, but we've played them 67 times. Remember as well that we haven't played them hardly at all since 92. Ole Miss, by contrast, we've played them fewer times than UGA...65. Remember again that we've been playing them every year since 92 so the numbers are out of whack. UGA used to be a big rival for us although that's obviously faded. Ole Miss has never really been that.

Bama has dominated UT since Saban showed up, that much is true, but we haven't dominated the series for 25 years. UT had won 10 of 12 from 1995 to 2006. Bama had to vacate one of the only wins they had during that stretch. It's actually been remarkably even during the last 20 years or so.

Nonetheless, the Third Saturday in October is an important one. It's important for both schools at that, not just Bama. In fact, in the eyes of many Bama fans, albeit not most, it is more important than the Iron Bowl if we had to pick between the two. I have no idea where the administration falls on that, but if I had to guess then I'd say they'd rather cut their left arms off than give up either one of them.

We've played Mississippi State more than anyone, but the schools are also about 90 miles apart, the closest of any two SEC schools, so it was always natural to do that. The schools are literally situated on the same highway. LSU has always been a pretty big game as well.

Look I get it. Auburn wants to play more Eastern teams, especially Florida. I think you should be able to, but getting rid of the TSIO in order to do it is not going to solve any problems. It'll just create new ones and a few years from now we'll be right back in the same place arguing over this from a different perspective. Getting rid of the TSIO would be akin to getting rid of the South's Oldest Rivalry. Neither are these moves are going to happen and neither should happen.

The first thing we need is 9 games...

We need the 9th game to preserve rivalries and increase our inventory of good cross-division match-ups. Or we could go divisionless and preserve every rivalry anyone cares about...

I knew you didn't have as long of a history with Ole Miss. It's about the same as our Tennessee series. But it's been longer than '92 that Georgia was played regularly.

I like Hawghiggs suggestion. Vandy and Missouri to the West. Auburn and Alabama to the East. Alabama Tennessee is preserved / Alabama Georgia is renewed / Alabama Auburn is preserved.

Auburn Georgia is preserved / Auburn Tennessee is renewed / Auburn Florida is renewed

Tennessee Alabama is preserved / Tennessee Kentucky is preserved / Tennessee Vandy is the new crossover.

Ole Miss Vandy is renewed

Alabama can keep Miss State as the crossover.

That may be about as good as it gets for now. We won't move to 9 games until the CBS contract comes open and we can get paid to do so.

BTW the Iron Bowl is consistently the most viewed SEC match up annually. Alabama's ticket priority is built on the Iron Bowl as is Auburn's. I doubt that game goes away.

I'm good with that. My fear is that the West would be too weak if Ole Miss and Mississippi State don't keep up, but I can't think of a better solution.

I know we probably aren't getting the 9th game until the new contract, but in the event we expand then the contract can be be revisited can't it? At least, that's what happened last time.

Take OU and OSU...move to at least 9 games and try to balance the divisions the best we can.

(05-18-2017 09:34 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 04:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 03:10 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:04 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Then you run the risk of completely overpowering the East.

If Auburn only moves East then Alabama has two rivals in the East - one has to go. Tennessee may have more history but Auburn is the bigger rival the last 20 years.

SC, UF, LSU, and A&M are all on board with dropping permanent rivals already. UGA would join them in this scenario as Auburn would be an East team. Arkansas and Missouri have no history and could probably be easily persuaded.

UK/Miss St and Ole Miss/Vandy probably want to keep those games but may be out of luck. If worst comes to worst for the conference, those three could be preserved as well along with Alabama/Auburn.

Gamecock, Auburn has been Alabama's most bitter rival since the 1890's. The only era that separates the series is Bear's 10 year run. We didn't play for over 20 years because Alabama was trying to shut us down as a school and it lasted from the late 1800's until the 20's at which point there were fights and a death at an event. We didn't start playing them again until the late 40's and then by mandate of the Alabama legislature. It hasn't just been bitter for the past 20 years. It's been bitter for 120 years!

Auburn got screwed in '91. We had annually played Georgia, Florida and Tennessee and had recruited those areas since we began playing football. When John Heisman left Auburn he went to Clemson to build their program. He came to us from Virginia. Had the first year uniforms at Clemson not suffered from a bleach problem their colors would have been Navy and Orange the same as Virginia's and Auburn's. Instead the navy turned almost purple and the rest is history. Auburn belongs in the East period! The only time we haven't played a predominantly Eastern schedule is from 1991 until present. Why should our program get hosed because the Gamecocks and Arkansas joined? The only reason we agreed is we were promised by Kramer that it would only be temporary.

Until the putrid East can produce a champion worth playing I don't see what's wrong the the move. The output of the East is the only perception problem the SEC faces. If Florida can get back to speed and Georgia can pick it up then I still don't see how Auburn and Alabama upset the balance since the West historically has had 4 programs making a run per year. Add an Oklahoma and Texas to the West and you have balance. The problem in the East is only exacerbated by Pinkel's cancer and Missouri's subsequent tanking and the fact that Carolina is in transition. But it's been over 20 years since Tennessee was worth a damn! I don't think the Big Orange is going to get back up, ever! There are too many recruiting their grounds from Louisville to Cincinnati, to the ACC. Tennessee boosters and trustees are living in the past just like Alabama did for a decade after Bear, but Alabama woke up, Tennessee hasn't. Spurrier should never have taken his heel off of Clemson but he liked Dabo and really wanted to be back where everyone loved his past, Florida.

I hope Muschamp pulls it together but we got to know him at Auburn and he lacked organizational skills and therefore discipline. We'll see.

Auburn had 5 annual series until 1978. Georgia Tech (1892-1978), Georgia (1894-present), Florida (every year since the late 30's until 2002: WWII excepted), Tennessee (every year from 1956-1991)) and of course Alabama.

Alabama (other than Tennessee and Auburn) seldom played anyone from the East. Their annuals were L.S.U., Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Auburn and Tennessee.

They could easily give up Tennessee but they don't want to because they have dominated that series for the last 25 years. It's not quite as good as having Vanderbilt or Kentucky on their schedule but it's danged close.

They keep that series because statistically it gives them a leg up on Auburn (who has to play Georgia) and LSU (who has to play Florida). There's your reason it can't be done and it's the only reason.

Actually, Bama used to play Georgia quite a bit. We didn't play them annually during most of our stretch, but we've played them 67 times. Remember as well that we haven't played them hardly at all since 92. Ole Miss, by contrast, we've played them fewer times than UGA...65. Remember again that we've been playing them every year since 92 so the numbers are out of whack. UGA used to be a big rival for us although that's obviously faded. Ole Miss has never really been that.

Bama has dominated UT since Saban showed up, that much is true, but we haven't dominated the series for 25 years. UT had won 10 of 12 from 1995 to 2006. Bama had to vacate one of the only wins they had during that stretch. It's actually been remarkably even during the last 20 years or so.

Nonetheless, the Third Saturday in October is an important one. It's important for both schools at that, not just Bama. In fact, in the eyes of many Bama fans, albeit not most, it is more important than the Iron Bowl if we had to pick between the two. I have no idea where the administration falls on that, but if I had to guess then I'd say they'd rather cut their left arms off than give up either one of them.

We've played Mississippi State more than anyone, but the schools are also about 90 miles apart, the closest of any two SEC schools, so it was always natural to do that. The schools are literally situated on the same highway. LSU has always been a pretty big game as well.

Look I get it. Auburn wants to play more Eastern teams, especially Florida. I think you should be able to, but getting rid of the TSIO in order to do it is not going to solve any problems. It'll just create new ones and a few years from now we'll be right back in the same place arguing over this from a different perspective. Getting rid of the TSIO would be akin to getting rid of the South's Oldest Rivalry. Neither are these moves are going to happen and neither should happen.

The first thing we need is 9 games...

We need the 9th game to preserve rivalries and increase our inventory of good cross-division match-ups. Or we could go divisionless and preserve every rivalry anyone cares about...

I knew you didn't have as long of a history with Ole Miss. It's about the same as our Tennessee series. But it's been longer than '92 that Georgia was played regularly.

I like Hawghiggs suggestion. Vandy and Missouri to the West. Auburn and Alabama to the East. Alabama Tennessee is preserved / Alabama Georgia is renewed / Alabama Auburn is preserved.

Auburn Georgia is preserved / Auburn Tennessee is renewed / Auburn Florida is renewed

Tennessee Alabama is preserved / Tennessee Kentucky is preserved / Tennessee Vandy is the new crossover.

Ole Miss Vandy is renewed

Alabama can keep Miss State as the crossover.

That may be about as good as it gets for now. We won't move to 9 games until the CBS contract comes open and we can get paid to do so.

BTW the Iron Bowl is consistently the most viewed SEC match up annually. Alabama's ticket priority is built on the Iron Bowl as is Auburn's. I doubt that game goes away.

I'm good with that. My fear is that the West would be too weak if Ole Miss and Mississippi State don't keep up, but I can't think of a better solution.

I know we probably aren't getting the 9th game until the new contract, but in the event we expand then the contract can be be revisited can't it? At least, that's what happened last time.

Take OU and OSU...move to at least 9 games and try to balance the divisions the best we can.

Yes with additions it can be. SMU Mustang posted on the main board in the thread about the Big 10 taking OU that he heard Tony Barnhart say that the SEC would go hard after Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I haven't been able to find a link and he said he thought he watched it on a Barnhart video clip. My point is this. Barnhart doesn't say anything unless he has confirmed it, and many times not only confirmed it but gotten clearance to put it out there. I absolutely love the guy's work. He did the Missouri welcome to the SEC presentation and taped it one month before they officially joined and then kept his mouth shut. He has the total confidence of the SEC office. If he actually said this and the piece can be found then I think it's gold!

If we added that pair then other vistas open. If Texas were to decide to come on board then that 4th slot could go to Kansas or WVU. As long as it adds to the bottom line any of those might be possible, but taking OU ends any advantage that anyone could gain over the SEC by taking UT & OU.

But yes if we expand then we absolutely get to renegotiate and possibly extend the main T2 contract with ESPN and the T1 contract with CBS. Even the SECN would be opened to some revaluation with more product and new markets.

(05-18-2017 07:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 06:52 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 04:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 03:10 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Gamecock, Auburn has been Alabama's most bitter rival since the 1890's. The only era that separates the series is Bear's 10 year run. We didn't play for over 20 years because Alabama was trying to shut us down as a school and it lasted from the late 1800's until the 20's at which point there were fights and a death at an event. We didn't start playing them again until the late 40's and then by mandate of the Alabama legislature. It hasn't just been bitter for the past 20 years. It's been bitter for 120 years!

Auburn got screwed in '91. We had annually played Georgia, Florida and Tennessee and had recruited those areas since we began playing football. When John Heisman left Auburn he went to Clemson to build their program. He came to us from Virginia. Had the first year uniforms at Clemson not suffered from a bleach problem their colors would have been Navy and Orange the same as Virginia's and Auburn's. Instead the navy turned almost purple and the rest is history. Auburn belongs in the East period! The only time we haven't played a predominantly Eastern schedule is from 1991 until present. Why should our program get hosed because the Gamecocks and Arkansas joined? The only reason we agreed is we were promised by Kramer that it would only be temporary.

Until the putrid East can produce a champion worth playing I don't see what's wrong the the move. The output of the East is the only perception problem the SEC faces. If Florida can get back to speed and Georgia can pick it up then I still don't see how Auburn and Alabama upset the balance since the West historically has had 4 programs making a run per year. Add an Oklahoma and Texas to the West and you have balance. The problem in the East is only exacerbated by Pinkel's cancer and Missouri's subsequent tanking and the fact that Carolina is in transition. But it's been over 20 years since Tennessee was worth a damn! I don't think the Big Orange is going to get back up, ever! There are too many recruiting their grounds from Louisville to Cincinnati, to the ACC. Tennessee boosters and trustees are living in the past just like Alabama did for a decade after Bear, but Alabama woke up, Tennessee hasn't. Spurrier should never have taken his heel off of Clemson but he liked Dabo and really wanted to be back where everyone loved his past, Florida.

I hope Muschamp pulls it together but we got to know him at Auburn and he lacked organizational skills and therefore discipline. We'll see.

Auburn had 5 annual series until 1978. Georgia Tech (1892-1978), Georgia (1894-present), Florida (every year since the late 30's until 2002: WWII excepted), Tennessee (every year from 1956-1991)) and of course Alabama.

Alabama (other than Tennessee and Auburn) seldom played anyone from the East. Their annuals were L.S.U., Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Auburn and Tennessee.

They could easily give up Tennessee but they don't want to because they have dominated that series for the last 25 years. It's not quite as good as having Vanderbilt or Kentucky on their schedule but it's danged close.

They keep that series because statistically it gives them a leg up on Auburn (who has to play Georgia) and LSU (who has to play Florida). There's your reason it can't be done and it's the only reason.

Actually, Bama used to play Georgia quite a bit. We didn't play them annually during most of our stretch, but we've played them 67 times. Remember as well that we haven't played them hardly at all since 92. Ole Miss, by contrast, we've played them fewer times than UGA...65. Remember again that we've been playing them every year since 92 so the numbers are out of whack. UGA used to be a big rival for us although that's obviously faded. Ole Miss has never really been that.

Bama has dominated UT since Saban showed up, that much is true, but we haven't dominated the series for 25 years. UT had won 10 of 12 from 1995 to 2006. Bama had to vacate one of the only wins they had during that stretch. It's actually been remarkably even during the last 20 years or so.

Nonetheless, the Third Saturday in October is an important one. It's important for both schools at that, not just Bama. In fact, in the eyes of many Bama fans, albeit not most, it is more important than the Iron Bowl if we had to pick between the two. I have no idea where the administration falls on that, but if I had to guess then I'd say they'd rather cut their left arms off than give up either one of them.

We've played Mississippi State more than anyone, but the schools are also about 90 miles apart, the closest of any two SEC schools, so it was always natural to do that. The schools are literally situated on the same highway. LSU has always been a pretty big game as well.

Look I get it. Auburn wants to play more Eastern teams, especially Florida. I think you should be able to, but getting rid of the TSIO in order to do it is not going to solve any problems. It'll just create new ones and a few years from now we'll be right back in the same place arguing over this from a different perspective. Getting rid of the TSIO would be akin to getting rid of the South's Oldest Rivalry. Neither are these moves are going to happen and neither should happen.

The first thing we need is 9 games...

We need the 9th game to preserve rivalries and increase our inventory of good cross-division match-ups. Or we could go divisionless and preserve every rivalry anyone cares about...

I knew you didn't have as long of a history with Ole Miss. It's about the same as our Tennessee series. But it's been longer than '92 that Georgia was played regularly.

I like Hawghiggs suggestion. Vandy and Missouri to the West. Auburn and Alabama to the East. Alabama Tennessee is preserved / Alabama Georgia is renewed / Alabama Auburn is preserved.

Auburn Georgia is preserved / Auburn Tennessee is renewed / Auburn Florida is renewed

Tennessee Alabama is preserved / Tennessee Kentucky is preserved / Tennessee Vandy is the new crossover.

Ole Miss Vandy is renewed

Alabama can keep Miss State as the crossover.

That may be about as good as it gets for now. We won't move to 9 games until the CBS contract comes open and we can get paid to do so.

BTW the Iron Bowl is consistently the most viewed SEC match up annually. Alabama's ticket priority is built on the Iron Bowl as is Auburn's. I doubt that game goes away.

Looks like a plan. Do we keep the Arkansas-Mizzou game?

You would be in the same division.

OMG. I am losing my mind. I guess I missed my meds this morning..... Kentucky?

(05-19-2017 01:42 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 07:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 06:52 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 04:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 03:10 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Actually, Bama used to play Georgia quite a bit. We didn't play them annually during most of our stretch, but we've played them 67 times. Remember as well that we haven't played them hardly at all since 92. Ole Miss, by contrast, we've played them fewer times than UGA...65. Remember again that we've been playing them every year since 92 so the numbers are out of whack. UGA used to be a big rival for us although that's obviously faded. Ole Miss has never really been that.

Bama has dominated UT since Saban showed up, that much is true, but we haven't dominated the series for 25 years. UT had won 10 of 12 from 1995 to 2006. Bama had to vacate one of the only wins they had during that stretch. It's actually been remarkably even during the last 20 years or so.

Nonetheless, the Third Saturday in October is an important one. It's important for both schools at that, not just Bama. In fact, in the eyes of many Bama fans, albeit not most, it is more important than the Iron Bowl if we had to pick between the two. I have no idea where the administration falls on that, but if I had to guess then I'd say they'd rather cut their left arms off than give up either one of them.

We've played Mississippi State more than anyone, but the schools are also about 90 miles apart, the closest of any two SEC schools, so it was always natural to do that. The schools are literally situated on the same highway. LSU has always been a pretty big game as well.

Look I get it. Auburn wants to play more Eastern teams, especially Florida. I think you should be able to, but getting rid of the TSIO in order to do it is not going to solve any problems. It'll just create new ones and a few years from now we'll be right back in the same place arguing over this from a different perspective. Getting rid of the TSIO would be akin to getting rid of the South's Oldest Rivalry. Neither are these moves are going to happen and neither should happen.

The first thing we need is 9 games...

We need the 9th game to preserve rivalries and increase our inventory of good cross-division match-ups. Or we could go divisionless and preserve every rivalry anyone cares about...

I knew you didn't have as long of a history with Ole Miss. It's about the same as our Tennessee series. But it's been longer than '92 that Georgia was played regularly.

I like Hawghiggs suggestion. Vandy and Missouri to the West. Auburn and Alabama to the East. Alabama Tennessee is preserved / Alabama Georgia is renewed / Alabama Auburn is preserved.

Auburn Georgia is preserved / Auburn Tennessee is renewed / Auburn Florida is renewed

Tennessee Alabama is preserved / Tennessee Kentucky is preserved / Tennessee Vandy is the new crossover.

Ole Miss Vandy is renewed

Alabama can keep Miss State as the crossover.

That may be about as good as it gets for now. We won't move to 9 games until the CBS contract comes open and we can get paid to do so.

BTW the Iron Bowl is consistently the most viewed SEC match up annually. Alabama's ticket priority is built on the Iron Bowl as is Auburn's. I doubt that game goes away.

Looks like a plan. Do we keep the Arkansas-Mizzou game?

You would be in the same division.

OMG. I am losing my mind. I guess I missed my meds this morning..... Kentucky?

Missouri could schedule Kentucky as their crossover.

(05-19-2017 02:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 01:42 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 07:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 06:52 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 04:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I knew you didn't have as long of a history with Ole Miss. It's about the same as our Tennessee series. But it's been longer than '92 that Georgia was played regularly.

I like Hawghiggs suggestion. Vandy and Missouri to the West. Auburn and Alabama to the East. Alabama Tennessee is preserved / Alabama Georgia is renewed / Alabama Auburn is preserved.

Auburn Georgia is preserved / Auburn Tennessee is renewed / Auburn Florida is renewed

Tennessee Alabama is preserved / Tennessee Kentucky is preserved / Tennessee Vandy is the new crossover.

Ole Miss Vandy is renewed

Alabama can keep Miss State as the crossover.

That may be about as good as it gets for now. We won't move to 9 games until the CBS contract comes open and we can get paid to do so.

BTW the Iron Bowl is consistently the most viewed SEC match up annually. Alabama's ticket priority is built on the Iron Bowl as is Auburn's. I doubt that game goes away.

Looks like a plan. Do we keep the Arkansas-Mizzou game?

You would be in the same division.

OMG. I am losing my mind. I guess I missed my meds this morning..... Kentucky?

Missouri could schedule Kentucky as their crossover.

With 14, 3 rivals and switch the others 5 one year, 5 the next OR 5 rivals and switch the others 4 one year, 4 the next

No divisions