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LIU of the NEC gets an "F" rating. They may not last long in D1.
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(05-14-2017 09:21 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Holy Cross has a great football history. They have renewed their rivalry series with BC and have scheduled UCONN and Syracuse as well. Don't see it going past that, but if they can win some of those games, who knows what kind of interest may be stirred up?

Holy Cross might have an easier goal: getting M/W hockey into Hockey East. There is talk that they'd move their games off campus to the much bigger DCU Center in downtown Worcester.
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(05-14-2017 08:39 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 07:08 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Here is your list of FCS schools which are private.


The Pioneer, Ivy and Patriot Leagues are unlikely to produce any interest in FBS -- these all have money. Villanova stands out, but they have never been enticed.

Villanova doesn't have a stadium of FBS caliber to play in. They better stay good in basketball because that's all they have.

They have donors who can step up. It's not like they couldn't upgrade, they can. They just don't feel like compromising basketball operations in any way. That's an administrative or philosophical issue.

The former AD, now a Big East administrator, led a meeting toward press, boosters, and select others. The guy panned a $20 million fundraising project to upgrade the soccer stadium in Chester, then rolled out the $80 million campaign that included renovations to the basketball arena, that included a component for legal fees (because the township would fight them) but wouldn't fix the venue to make it the only one where they played. Guy had renderings and everything.

It said it all about the place...If you can get that kind of coin for an insignificant facelift, imagine if you really wanted to highlight other programs? It's just questionable leadership.
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(05-14-2017 07:17 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  A couple others you left off are are Richmond and Elon. Again, I have no idea if they have money or interest.

I would not be surprised if Elon is keeping an eye on Liberty's try at FBS. Elon is in a unique situation where they probably could get Wake, Duke, App and Charlotte agreeing to H/H along with payday games against Clemson, NCSU, UNC and Va Tech.

Elon has some money but the likelihood of them moving up is really remote for the foreseeable future. They probably will keep an eye on Liberty just to see how it goes (what works and what doesn't). The next sport for Elon will be men's Lax. It could be really soon but more likely still a few years out.
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Even if true, their neighbors will do anything they can to stop it from being built. It's not Philadelphia proper but a suburb that will do what it can to stop any extra racket and noise. What would be ideal is to play at the Eagles' stadium. They should almost be willing to buy land and donate Temple a stadium so they can play at the Linc.

Do that and Villanova may one day be in the ACC.
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(05-14-2017 11:46 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  LIU of the NEC gets an "F" rating. They may not last long in D1.

Please elaborate...
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(05-15-2017 06:17 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 11:46 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  LIU of the NEC gets an "F" rating. They may not last long in D1.

Please elaborate...


If they are failing? They would likely merged with LIU-Post to stay at D1. If LIU wants football? They might look at Post campus and merge. I think where Post is at, there are room to expand on.
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RE: Curious, are there any other private FCS programs with money?
What about Emory? $6 billion endowment, was one of the potential "Magnolia League" members alongside Duke, Wake, Vandy, Tulane, Rice, and SMU.

They're D3 by choice and could probably make themselves D1 quickly
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RE: Curious, are there any other private FCS programs with money?
No other private is going to move up to FBS anytime soon. Liberty was an exceptional situation that comes along at best, once in a generation. That is why the NCAA granted the waiver. There simply is no other private college that has the room, money, will or support to make the move. Not even an FCS heavy weight like Villanova - which had a BE invitation and encouragement - could pull it off. Most of you are just throwing school names around like fantasy football picks.

Ask yourself this: What school was the last private university to make the jump up to D1A prior to Liberty? I'm pretty sure it was Miami(Fla) in the 1950's. That's how rare of a move this is.
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(05-15-2017 06:15 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Even if true, their neighbors will do anything they can to stop it from being built. It's not Philadelphia proper but a suburb that will do what it can to stop any extra racket and noise. What would be ideal is to play at the Eagles' stadium. They should almost be willing to buy land and donate Temple a stadium so they can play at the Linc.

Do that and Villanova may one day be in the ACC.

The arena's already a go. $60 million. And, funny thing those boosters are...as if the $20 million project to ramp up Talen Energy Park was just too much to handle, you'll notice one donor alone put up $22 million for the Pavilion's upgrade. And it's going to bear his name.

If you've been out to Villanova, you'll understand why nobody wants the sports traffic. Some of the highest fetching properties in the state are around there; local road infrastructure isn't exactly good for it. Yes, you can see 476 from parts of campus, but Lancaster and Montgomery Ave.'s are not built for traffic like that.

Again, Penn's there willing to offer Franklin Field to either VU or Temple. It actually makes for a fiscally responsible alternative. And the location is unbeatable. What does it say when schools completely disregard a cost-effective option?
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Villanova is not going to move up. They explored it all in the 2009-2010 timeframe. They lack options for a stadium unless they played at Franklin Field and would have perpetual scheduling conflicts with Penn.

The Eagles really want Temple out of the Linc and charge them very high rent. That's not an option for Villanova either.

The Villanova administration is probably very happy in the Big East. If anything, they were contemplating downgrading football to non-scholarship and joining the Patriot League.
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(05-15-2017 08:21 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  What about Emory? $6 billion endowment, was one of the potential "Magnolia League" members alongside Duke, Wake, Vandy, Tulane, Rice, and SMU.

They're D3 by choice and could probably make themselves D1 quickly

Their whole athletic conference (the University Athletic Association) could do it. But most of them dropped down from D1 in the 50s:

UAA:
$6.9 billion - Washington University in St. Louis (a founding member of the Big 8)
6.7 billion - Emory (no football, never in D1)
6.7 billion - University of Chicago (a founding member of the Big Ten)
3.5 billion - New York University (no football; won the 1945 D1 NCAA championship in men's basketball)
2.1 billion - Rochester (never in D1)
1.8 billion - Case Western Reserve (formerly D1 Case Institute of Technology and D1 Western Reserve University, a founding member of the MAC who has a 6-5-1 record all-time against Ohio State)
1.7 billion - Carnegie Mellon (formerly a major Eastern Indie)
861 million - Brandeis (no football, never in D1)

Emory in particular is quite proud of never having had a football team. They wear that as a badge of honor; a way to stand out as pro-academic in the South.
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(05-15-2017 08:47 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  That's how rare of a move this is.

I could see it happening again in the near future if certain shifts don't happen. I have to wonder what Monmouth is doing over here. Clearly, they don't want to be just another face among the over-saturated northeast FCS private school gang. But, where would they go?
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(05-15-2017 08:51 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 06:15 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Even if true, their neighbors will do anything they can to stop it from being built. It's not Philadelphia proper but a suburb that will do what it can to stop any extra racket and noise. What would be ideal is to play at the Eagles' stadium. They should almost be willing to buy land and donate Temple a stadium so they can play at the Linc.

Do that and Villanova may one day be in the ACC.

The arena's already a go. $60 million. And, funny thing those boosters are...as if the $20 million project to ramp up Talen Energy Park was just too much to handle, you'll notice one donor alone put up $22 million for the Pavilion's upgrade. And it's going to bear his name.

If you've been out to Villanova, you'll understand why nobody wants the sports traffic. Some of the highest fetching properties in the state are around there; local road infrastructure isn't exactly good for it. Yes, you can see 476 from parts of campus, but Lancaster and Montgomery Ave.'s are not built for traffic like that.

Again, Penn's there willing to offer Franklin Field to either VU or Temple. It actually makes for a fiscally responsible alternative. And the location is unbeatable. What does it say when schools completely disregard a cost-effective option?

I could see Temple at Franklin Field when the current lease (and any extension) expires. I'm not sure how long they re-upped for -- I'm pretty sure that the original lease expired after this season and they are there for two more years afterwards, but the Eagles do not provide a very friendly environment (contrast with Pitt where they are partners with the Steelers). Only an ownership change of the Eagles will make LFF an optimal solution. Temple fans could probably elaborate.

Stadium issues were a problem for Temple in the late 90s when they were the 3rd tenant at the Vet. Would they want to go back to that if they go to Franklin Field? At least at LFF they have control over their scheduling. A lot depends on how their on campus stadium construction proceeds.

Villanova would have to see how that plays out too. I just don't see them upgrading. They had an open invitation to do so for at least 15 years as part of the Big East and never did.
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(05-15-2017 09:08 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 08:21 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  What about Emory? $6 billion endowment, was one of the potential "Magnolia League" members alongside Duke, Wake, Vandy, Tulane, Rice, and SMU.

They're D3 by choice and could probably make themselves D1 quickly

Their whole athletic conference (the University Athletic Association) could do it. But most of them dropped down from D1 in the 50s:

UAA:
$6.9 billion - Washington University in St. Louis (a founding member of the Big 8)
6.7 billion - Emory (no football, never in D1)
6.7 billion - University of Chicago (a founding member of the Big Ten)
3.5 billion - New York University (no football; won the 1945 D1 NCAA championship in men's basketball)
2.1 billion - Rochester (never in D1)
1.8 billion - Case Western Reserve (formerly D1 Case Institute of Technology and D1 Western Reserve University, a founding member of the MAC who has a 6-5-1 record all-time against Ohio State)
1.7 billion - Carnegie Mellon (formerly a major Eastern Indie)
861 million - Brandeis (no football, never in D1)

Emory in particular is quite proud of never having had a football team. They wear that as a badge of honor; a way to stand out as pro-academic in the South.


NYU did had football, but dropped the sport.
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(05-15-2017 08:51 AM)megadrone Wrote:  Villanova is not going to move up. They explored it all in the 2009-2010 timeframe. They lack options for a stadium unless they played at Franklin Field and would have perpetual scheduling conflicts with Penn.

The Eagles really want Temple out of the Linc and charge them very high rent. That's not an option for Villanova either.

The Villanova administration is probably very happy in the Big East. If anything, they were contemplating downgrading football to non-scholarship and joining the Patriot League.

Except that was trying to meet the Big East standards. Being an Indy FBS, they can have lower standards for stadiums and attendance. Its a big difference. They could expand their current stadium to meet the 15 k requirement like Coastal Carolina is doing.
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(05-15-2017 12:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 08:51 AM)megadrone Wrote:  Villanova is not going to move up. They explored it all in the 2009-2010 timeframe. They lack options for a stadium unless they played at Franklin Field and would have perpetual scheduling conflicts with Penn.

The Eagles really want Temple out of the Linc and charge them very high rent. That's not an option for Villanova either.

The Villanova administration is probably very happy in the Big East. If anything, they were contemplating downgrading football to non-scholarship and joining the Patriot League.

Except that was trying to meet the Big East standards. Being an Indy FBS, they can have lower standards for stadiums and attendance. Its a big difference. They could expand their current stadium to meet the 15 k requirement like Coastal Carolina is doing.

This is the same school that expected other conference-mates to subsidize them so they could field FBS football. Like, they don't want to commit a **** dime to the sport. If cutting it didn't produce the uproar it did, it would be gone. There are definitely some over there that think the former coach's tenure is more unfortunate than anything; he did extremely well despite his school not doing crap for him.

These guys want to be Georgetown, believe me.
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(05-15-2017 12:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 08:51 AM)megadrone Wrote:  Villanova is not going to move up. They explored it all in the 2009-2010 timeframe. They lack options for a stadium unless they played at Franklin Field and would have perpetual scheduling conflicts with Penn.

The Eagles really want Temple out of the Linc and charge them very high rent. That's not an option for Villanova either.

The Villanova administration is probably very happy in the Big East. If anything, they were contemplating downgrading football to non-scholarship and joining the Patriot League.

Except that was trying to meet the Big East standards. Being an Indy FBS, they can have lower standards for stadiums and attendance. Its a big difference. They could expand their current stadium to meet the 15 k requirement like Coastal Carolina is doing.

They like FCS level football. They had nearly 20 years to consider upgrading to an AQ conference and put a half-assed plan together to do so, mostly to keep the Big East happy when the conference wanted to expand past 8 members without making the basketball side too unwieldy.

They are not upgrading. Period. If anything, when Talley retires, they will downgrade to non-scholarship football.

Basketball is their bread-and-butter. They are very happy with the Big East as it is.
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(05-15-2017 09:13 AM)megadrone Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 08:51 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Again, Penn's there willing to offer Franklin Field to either VU or Temple. It actually makes for a fiscally responsible alternative. And the location is unbeatable. What does it say when schools completely disregard a cost-effective option?

I could see Temple at Franklin Field when the current lease (and any extension) expires. I'm not sure how long they re-upped for -- I'm pretty sure that the original lease expired after this season and they are there for two more years afterwards, but the Eagles do not provide a very friendly environment (contrast with Pitt where they are partners with the Steelers). Only an ownership change of the Eagles will make LFF an optimal solution. Temple fans could probably elaborate.

Stadium issues were a problem for Temple in the late 90s when they were the 3rd tenant at the Vet. Would they want to go back to that if they go to Franklin Field? At least at LFF they have control over their scheduling. A lot depends on how their on campus stadium construction proceeds.

Villanova would have to see how that plays out too. I just don't see them upgrading. They had an open invitation to do so for at least 15 years as part of the Big East and never did.

There are a number of reasons why Temple will avoid going back to Franklin Field pretty much at all costs, but the bolded part is one of the most important. Not having scheduling control was huge burden for Temple and the rest of the conference when they were in the Big East.

(05-15-2017 12:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 08:51 AM)megadrone Wrote:  Villanova is not going to move up. They explored it all in the 2009-2010 timeframe. They lack options for a stadium unless they played at Franklin Field and would have perpetual scheduling conflicts with Penn.

The Eagles really want Temple out of the Linc and charge them very high rent. That's not an option for Villanova either.

The Villanova administration is probably very happy in the Big East. If anything, they were contemplating downgrading football to non-scholarship and joining the Patriot League.

Except that was trying to meet the Big East standards. Being an Indy FBS, they can have lower standards for stadiums and attendance. Its a big difference. They could expand their current stadium to meet the 15 k requirement like Coastal Carolina is doing.

As others have pointed out Villanova has no interest in moving to FBS and is more likely to end up in the Patriot League than FBS.

Regarding the stadium, the first words out of Radnor Township officials mouths were that they will never approve any expansion of VU Stadium when Villanova considered joining the Big East for football. Despite Villanova basketball's popularity, The Pavilion has just 6,500 seats because the Township will not approve a capacity greater than that. Villanova will never play FBS football on-campus.
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