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(05-14-2017 02:46 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Yep, two red herrings. Nice try. Now if you two can try to stick with the op. Trump secretly recorded the lead investigator. Threatened him with said recordings and also asked him to pledge personal loyalty over three times. That is an impeachable offense. Obstruction of justice. If he doesn't turn over the recordings. That is also a violation. What is best? All of his own doing.

since when did recording someone become an impeachable offense? You are unhinged bud, full blown.
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(05-14-2017 03:12 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 02:46 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Yep, two red herrings. Nice try. Now if you two can try to stick with the op. Trump secretly recorded the lead investigator. Threatened him with said recordings and also asked him to pledge personal loyalty over three times. That is an impeachable offense. Obstruction of justice. If he doesn't turn over the recordings. That is also a violation. What is best? All of his own doing.

You clowns think this is watergate. Nowhere near it. Hillary and Obama covered up nasty crap that wojld have had them anyone else in prison for decades. Just stop !

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(05-14-2017 02:46 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Yep, two red herrings. Nice try. Now if you two can try to stick with the op. Trump secretly recorded the lead investigator. Threatened him with said recordings and also asked him to pledge personal loyalty over three times. That is an impeachable offense. Obstruction of justice. If he doesn't turn over the recordings. That is also a violation. What is best? All of his own doing.

I imagine its par for the course to record presidential conversations. Nixon did.

Personal loyalty doesn't mean you don't do your job. The FBI director IS supposed to work for the president. There seem to be a lot of people in the executive branch who really don't have a clue about that and need to be fired and forced to look for a real job.

So again, TDS. Some of your own are starting to say you are nuts on this impeachment stuff. Maybe you should listen to Vox and NYTimes. You don't listen to us telling you how ridiculous you make yourself look. All but maybe a couple of us do like you Mach.
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(05-14-2017 08:06 PM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  By the way, I don't believe I recall anything on here about the fact that Comey's brother works for the law firm that handles the Clinton Foundation's taxes.

I wouldn't view that as a big deal. But as I recall, Comey held his brother's mortgage. That makes it a little concerning.

McCabe's ties to the Clintons are more of a concern.
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No thd FBZi director does not work for the President. It's not a poltical office and has never been seen that way. It's supposed to be above all of that. It's pathetic to think otherwise.
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(05-15-2017 07:51 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No thd FBZi director does not work for the President. It's not a poltical office and has never been seen that way. It's supposed to be above all of that. It's pathetic to think otherwise.

So let me see if I got this right. The FBI director is nominated by the President and may be fired by the President. But it's not a political office. Got it.

Now can we move on to the firing of the director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, another non-political appointment.
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(05-15-2017 08:04 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 07:51 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No thd FBZi director does not work for the President. It's not a poltical office and has never been seen that way. It's supposed to be above all of that. It's pathetic to think otherwise.

So let me see if I got this right. The FBI director is nominated by the President and may be fired by the President. But it's not a political office. Got it.

Now can we move on to the firing of the director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, another non-political appointment.

Mach doesn't seem to understand the concept of the "Executive branch."
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Wow politicizing the FBI. No depths too low for you guys. You can't find another President that has fired an FBI director because he wouldn't gaurantee personal loyalty. This is a crisis.
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(05-15-2017 08:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Wow politicizing the FBI. No depths too low for you guys. You can't find another President that has fired an FBI director because he wouldn't gaurantee personal loyalty. This is a crisis.

After the Obama years you are worried politicizing the fbi?

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(05-15-2017 08:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Wow politicizing the FBI. No depths too low for you guys. You can't find another President that has fired an FBI director because he wouldn't gaurantee personal loyalty. This is a crisis.
http://www.dailyinterlake.com/article/20.../170519920

The actual example of that laughter was quite delightful when it wasn�t being distorted by the dishonest media. It happened on Wednesday when the Russian foreign minister snorted at NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell for her naivete. Mitchell had shouted out a question to Sergey Lavrov during a photo op with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson: �Does the Comey firing cast a shadow over your talks, gentlemen?� Lavrov first made a joke: �Was he fired?� (as if anyone could have missed that point!) and then he specifically made fun of Mitchell�s foolishness to think that U.S.-Soviet relations were going to go on pause because of Comey�s employment status. He told her twice, �You are kidding! You are kidding!�
Unfortunately, neither Mitchell, not Tapper, nor any of the other overpaid TV hosts, analysts, reporters or anchors seemed to get the joke. Maybe they just take themselves too seriously. Certainly, no one else does.
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(05-15-2017 07:04 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 02:46 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Yep, two red herrings. Nice try. Now if you two can try to stick with the op. Trump secretly recorded the lead investigator. Threatened him with said recordings and also asked him to pledge personal loyalty over three times. That is an impeachable offense. Obstruction of justice. If he doesn't turn over the recordings. That is also a violation. What is best? All of his own doing.

since when did recording someone become an impeachable offense? You are unhinged bud, full blown.

I think in DC, its not illegal
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(05-15-2017 08:28 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 08:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Wow politicizing the FBI. No depths too low for you guys. You can't find another President that has fired an FBI director because he wouldn't gaurantee personal loyalty. This is a crisis.

After the Obama years you are worried politicizing the fbi?

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Lavrov's comments are appropriate to Mach as well!
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I see mach has the belt buckle on too tight... 03-lmfao
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Funny, after Trump said Comey better not lie, the "lie leaks" seemed to have stopped. Why is that?
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(05-15-2017 10:02 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Funny, after Trump said Comey better not lie, the "lie leaks" seemed to have stopped. Why is that?

because it is Monday and I'm sure there will be something else to make fun of him about.
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What are these lie leaks you speak of?
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(05-15-2017 08:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Wow politicizing the FBI. No depths too low for you guys. You can't find another President that has fired an FBI director because he wouldn't gaurantee personal loyalty. This is a crisis.

Except, as you and I both know, he wasn't fired because he didn't swear his fealty, he was fired for lacking the leadership required to effectively manage the worlds premier investigative agency. To act otherwise is juvenile.
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Firing Comey didn't end the collusion inquiry — but Trump's clumsy coverup and financial ties are his real problem

With every passing day and every passing derp, President Donald Trump makes his campaign’s possible collusion with Russia to hijack last year’s election seem almost secondary. Surely that’s not his intention — indeed, it’s exactly the opposite. But anyone, regardless of politics, who has observed Trump’s reactions to the deepening Russia story can plainly see that the 45th president is way out of his depth.

Anyone with even a remedial understanding of politics and public relations understands that Trump is bungling the White House reaction to the ongoing investigation, turning an already harrowing treason probe into a harrowing treason probe made far more toxic by an obvious coverup.

It’s still unclear exactly what’s wrong with the president that he continues to botch and fumble the political reaction to the widening Russia scandal. We should definitely rule out, with prejudice, any argument that the president is practicing “three-dimensional chess” — that is, the “crazy like a fox” theory suggesting that Trump is working his way through a twisty Machiavellian strategy that we mere mortals are incapable of understanding. There’s nothing like that going on here. Chances are, Trump is being perpetually stymied by a combination of his desperation to kill the Russia probe; his clinical delusions, in which he believes certain things are real that clearly aren’t; his political ignorance; and, of course, his erratic kneejerk style of blurting gibberish and lies without any message discipline or self-censorship.

As a result, we’re treated to events like last week in which the president fired James Comey, the now-former FBI director who was deeply involved with investigating Trump’s links to Russia, followed by a ****-show the likes of which we have rarely witnessed in presidential politics since 1974. As if the firing of Comey wasn’t suspicious enough, the White House at first tried to claim that it happened specifically because of the way Comey had handled Hillary Clinton email scandal. That was the line throughout the first 24 hours of the aftermath.

Then came the whiplash.

Contrary to everything the White House, including Vice President Mike Pence, had said about Comey’s firing, Trump inexplicably confessed to NBC News’ Lester Holt that he fired Comey because he wanted the Russia scandal to end — which, of course, screams out obstruction of justice. Trump said to Holt, “And in fact when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.'”

Later that day, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders repeated Trump’s perhaps inadvertent confession, noting in the press room, “We want [the Trump-Russia matter] to come to its conclusion, we want it to come to its conclusion with integrity,” she said. “And we think that we’ve actually, by removing Director Comey, taken steps to make that happen.”

Making matters even worse, the president later hinted in a tweet that he might have secretly recorded his conversations with Comey, adding witness tampering and intimidation to the rap sheet. It’s worth noting that Trump attempted something similar just before the Senate testimony of former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates — as a last-minute threat, Trump hinted that she might have leaked details about the Michael Flynn prong of the Trump-Russia fiasco to the press.

Consequently, Trump managed to open up an entirely new wing of the scandal, further blurring the distinctions between himself and Richard Nixon while deep in the belly of Watergate. Now everyone wants to know whether Trump has a Nixonian secret recording system in the White House — and if he does, there are more than a few senators, members of Congress and federal investigators who want copies. Immediately.

All in all, we have at least several actionable if not impeachable offenses from last week alone, and it all emerged from the attempted coverup and firing of Comey — an action Trump didn’t have to take except to relieve the pressure valves on the Russia scandal. Why? Why is Trump so desperate to scramble the story? If he is innocent, there’s no reason for the White House to have tripped over itself so spectacularly. In that case, Comey’s investigation would ultimately have reached that conclusion. So, why try to kill off the investigation that could hypothetically exonerate Trump and his closest associates and put the whole thing to rest? Obviously because Trump and his closest associates are guilty.

But guilt over collusion doesn’t even need to be proved at this point. The investigation could be entirely blown up, by Trump or whomever else, and we’d still be left with a massively suspicious coverup in which various high crimes have been committed.

Furthermore, if the investigations into both the campaign collusion and the resulting coverup are abandoned tomorrow, there’s still the third chunk of this mess that could bring down the administration: Trump’s alleged links to Russian money-laundering, whether that means Trump laundering money for Russian plutocrats, or the plutocrats laundering money for him. Toss into the mix the widespread rumors (unsubstantiated for now) about Russian loans being used for Trump’s campaign war chest.

Toward the end of last week, we heard from Trump’s outside counselors, the Washington law firm of Morgan Lewis, which issued a letter confirming that Trump has various links to Russian money. It’s worth mentioning here that Morgan Lewis was voted “Russia Law Firm of the Year.” Yes, really. Jesus, is anyone in the White House paying attention to their own spin? Nevertheless, the letter confirms several above-board links between Trump and Russian cash, but come on — it’s not like a review of Trump’s tax returns would show glaring evidence of money-laundering or other malfeasance. We also have to assume Trump has established an entire roster of shell corporations and fronts over the years. Are all these offshore accounts and corporate entities reflected in his stupid 1040s? Certainly not.

By the way, Morgan Lewis did, in fact, confirm one of the “loony” conspiracy theories you might have heard on Rachel Maddow’s show and elsewhere. It turns out that Trump stumbled into a $54 million windfall when he sold his colossal Florida estate to Dmitry Rybolovlev, the Russian “Fertilizer King,” for $95 million — a house Trump had purchased for $41 million. It’s important to note that Rybolovlev allegedly laundered a considerable amount of his personal fortune through the Bank of Cyprus, the bank that previously employed Wilbur Ross, Trump’s secretary of commerce. If you think everything about that transaction was on the level, I have some robot insurance to sell you.

Trump should be terrified. No one knows for sure whether he is, but he should be. Charges of collusion are very much alive and he knows it. But the thing is, those collusion charges could evaporate tomorrow and we’d still be left with two more scandals: the coverup and the dubious financial links to Russian oligarchs. Those could be more than enough to summarily boot him out of the Oval Office and into a federal penitentiary where orange could be the new orange. Trump stupidly thought he could use and/or abuse the power of the presidency to wiggle out of this predicament, but it’s the unstoppable wiggling that’s getting him into more and more trouble. For a guy who everyone says is so media-savvy, Donald Trump is even more incompetent at cleaning up his own messes than he is at being president.

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/15/trumps-r...-problems/
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Buckle up. This time it's for reals.
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Anyone who says this "blurs the line" like watergate is just too young or obtuse to know what watergate was.

Obama wiretapping Trump and his team is about as close to watergate as one gets.

An FBI director who is acting like a giant prick, who gets his ass fired for being an incompetent prick, didnt happen during watergate. It only happened during #Obamagate.
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