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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 03:43 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  New Mexico Highlands is joining their comrades of the other 2 New Mexico schools.

Source? Highlands is not joining the Lone Star for the main reason being that it would increase travel costs.

Highlands is a tiny little college in a tiny little town NE of Santa Fe, NM. Billy the Kid and other notable cowboys lived there in the late 1800's. I've been there once, just to take pictures at a Old saloon. David, trust me on this, this school is tiny tiny tiny.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(05-14-2017 12:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-13-2017 10:57 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Chicago State is in the fourth year of a five-year contract with the WAC. The WAC needed teams, and Chicago State needed a conference. This is not a permanent membership like most schools obtain.

However, things have become worse for Chicago State. I'd be shocked if they were in the WAC after the 2017-2018 school year.

The state budget crisis and sharp enrollment decrease at Chicago State has been documented. The school is barely staying alive.

I came across another message board thread discussing the Chicago State situation:

http://www.scout.com/sports/college/cfn/...ath-spiral

They are doing well to offer classes at this point. They have no business trying to run a Division I athletic program.

Thanks for that. It's amazing they still offer sports at all with their entire existence in stake

Athletics is part of what's keeping the doors open, long-term. A large proportion of their freshman enrollment are athletes. Why else would you go there?
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(05-19-2017 08:38 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 12:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-13-2017 10:57 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Chicago State is in the fourth year of a five-year contract with the WAC. The WAC needed teams, and Chicago State needed a conference. This is not a permanent membership like most schools obtain.

However, things have become worse for Chicago State. I'd be shocked if they were in the WAC after the 2017-2018 school year.

The state budget crisis and sharp enrollment decrease at Chicago State has been documented. The school is barely staying alive.

I came across another message board thread discussing the Chicago State situation:

http://www.scout.com/sports/college/cfn/...ath-spiral

They are doing well to offer classes at this point. They have no business trying to run a Division I athletic program.

Thanks for that. It's amazing they still offer sports at all with their entire existence in stake

Athletics is part of what's keeping the doors open, long-term. A large proportion of their freshman enrollment are athletes. Why else would you go there?

Chicago State only had 86 Freshmen for Fall 2016. I imagine that all the Freshmen were athletes.
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(05-19-2017 09:21 AM)chess Wrote:  Chicago State only had 86 Freshmen for Fall 2016. I imagine that all the Freshmen were athletes.

They had 37 Freshmen on various teams. That comes to 43% of all incoming Freshmen.
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(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 03:43 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  New Mexico Highlands is joining their comrades of the other 2 New Mexico schools.

Source? Highlands is not joining the Lone Star for the main reason being that it would increase travel costs.



http://texannews.net/to-d-1-or-not-to-d-...-question/

Western New Mexico joined.

When RMAC added South Dakota Mines? It added more travel. Dixie State also added somewhat a travel. As it is, the only close rivals in RMAC are Colorado State-Pueblo and Adams State. Western State and Fort Lewis a little bit over to the west.
Lone Star have Western New Mexico, Eastern New Mexico, West Texas A&M and Angelo State. As it is, several schools from the Lone Star Conference are looking to join D1 and want in in the Southland Conference. I think the only way they can go into D1 is by joining the WAC.
I am wondering if New Mexico Highlands backed out because Oklahoma Panhandle State moving to NAIA? That would have been another close team to play in Lone Star.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(05-19-2017 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 03:43 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  New Mexico Highlands is joining their comrades of the other 2 New Mexico schools.

Source? Highlands is not joining the Lone Star for the main reason being that it would increase travel costs.



http://texannews.net/to-d-1-or-not-to-d-...-question/

Western New Mexico joined.

When RMAC added South Dakota Mines? It added more travel. Dixie State also added somewhat a travel. As it is, the only close rivals in RMAC are Colorado State-Pueblo and Adams State. Western State and Fort Lewis a little bit over to the west.
Lone Star have Western New Mexico, Eastern New Mexico, West Texas A&M and Angelo State. As it is, several schools from the Lone Star Conference are looking to join D1 and want in in the Southland Conference. I think the only way they can go into D1 is by joining the WAC.
I am wondering if New Mexico Highlands backed out because Oklahoma Panhandle State moving to NAIA? That would have been another close team to play in Lone Star.

The article is 2 years old and is only speculating LSC additions. Highlands RMAC travel with SD and UT schools is less than what it would be in the LSC. Western NM actually reduced travel moving to the LSC.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(05-19-2017 05:09 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 03:43 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  New Mexico Highlands is joining their comrades of the other 2 New Mexico schools.

Source? Highlands is not joining the Lone Star for the main reason being that it would increase travel costs.



http://texannews.net/to-d-1-or-not-to-d-...-question/

Western New Mexico joined.

When RMAC added South Dakota Mines? It added more travel. Dixie State also added somewhat a travel. As it is, the only close rivals in RMAC are Colorado State-Pueblo and Adams State. Western State and Fort Lewis a little bit over to the west.
Lone Star have Western New Mexico, Eastern New Mexico, West Texas A&M and Angelo State. As it is, several schools from the Lone Star Conference are looking to join D1 and want in in the Southland Conference. I think the only way they can go into D1 is by joining the WAC.
I am wondering if New Mexico Highlands backed out because Oklahoma Panhandle State moving to NAIA? That would have been another close team to play in Lone Star.

The article is 2 years old and is only speculating LSC additions. Highlands RMAC travel with SD and UT schools is less than what it would be in the LSC. Western NM actually reduced travel moving to the LSC.


Highlands is not that far from Western NM and Eastern NM. The old Frontier Conference used to have Texas, New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona schools. Northern Arizona used to be in that conference while others went to RMAC or Lone Star as Northern Arizona went to Big Sky.
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(05-19-2017 10:25 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 05:09 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 03:43 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  New Mexico Highlands is joining their comrades of the other 2 New Mexico schools.

Source? Highlands is not joining the Lone Star for the main reason being that it would increase travel costs.



http://texannews.net/to-d-1-or-not-to-d-...-question/

Western New Mexico joined.

When RMAC added South Dakota Mines? It added more travel. Dixie State also added somewhat a travel. As it is, the only close rivals in RMAC are Colorado State-Pueblo and Adams State. Western State and Fort Lewis a little bit over to the west.
Lone Star have Western New Mexico, Eastern New Mexico, West Texas A&M and Angelo State. As it is, several schools from the Lone Star Conference are looking to join D1 and want in in the Southland Conference. I think the only way they can go into D1 is by joining the WAC.
I am wondering if New Mexico Highlands backed out because Oklahoma Panhandle State moving to NAIA? That would have been another close team to play in Lone Star.

The article is 2 years old and is only speculating LSC additions. Highlands RMAC travel with SD and UT schools is less than what it would be in the LSC. Western NM actually reduced travel moving to the LSC.


Highlands is not that far from Western NM and Eastern NM. The old Frontier Conference used to have Texas, New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona schools. Northern Arizona used to be in that conference while others went to RMAC or Lone Star as Northern Arizona went to Big Sky.

How is that even remotely relevant to today? That conference was in 1956-62 with NAU, NM Highlands, Western NM, Santa Fe, Panhandle State (except the last year), and NM Military (first two years).
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(05-19-2017 10:25 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 05:09 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 03:43 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  New Mexico Highlands is joining their comrades of the other 2 New Mexico schools.

Source? Highlands is not joining the Lone Star for the main reason being that it would increase travel costs.



http://texannews.net/to-d-1-or-not-to-d-...-question/

Western New Mexico joined.

When RMAC added South Dakota Mines? It added more travel. Dixie State also added somewhat a travel. As it is, the only close rivals in RMAC are Colorado State-Pueblo and Adams State. Western State and Fort Lewis a little bit over to the west.
Lone Star have Western New Mexico, Eastern New Mexico, West Texas A&M and Angelo State. As it is, several schools from the Lone Star Conference are looking to join D1 and want in in the Southland Conference. I think the only way they can go into D1 is by joining the WAC.
I am wondering if New Mexico Highlands backed out because Oklahoma Panhandle State moving to NAIA? That would have been another close team to play in Lone Star.

The article is 2 years old and is only speculating LSC additions. Highlands RMAC travel with SD and UT schools is less than what it would be in the LSC. Western NM actually reduced travel moving to the LSC.


Highlands is not that far from Western NM and Eastern NM. The old Frontier Conference used to have Texas, New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona schools. Northern Arizona used to be in that conference while others went to RMAC or Lone Star as Northern Arizona went to Big Sky.

Highlands is very far from Eastern and Western New Mexico!!!

Highlands: Las Vegas, New Mexico is 360 miles away from Eastern New Mexico

Eastern New Mexico in Silver City, NM is 400 miles away from Western New Mexico which is in Portales--on the Texas border.

I'm a traveling salesman and have worked these places. You are making stuff up David!! Stop!!
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David: none of the towns that Highlands, Eastern NM & Western NM are located in have more than around 10,000 people and none are close to the major population center of the state of New Mexico which is Albuquerque/Santa Fe.
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(05-13-2017 10:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  As I was looking at some college conference baseball standings I saw that Chicago St is 11-36. I then looked at their basketball and other athletics records this year:

Women's Basketball: 0-29
Men's Basketball 6-26
Soccer 1-16
Volleyball: 3-26

It just has me wondering if they continue on? Do they gets fans to their games? Will they be in the WAC next year?

http://www.espn.com/moresports/story/_/i...-nos-75-51

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Obviously they shouldn't have been fielding sports for awhile.
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(05-13-2017 10:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I suspect not. A new Administration is taking over, and every unnecessary expense is getting axed (e.g., the 2nd campus). The reformers will soon have all the leverage and overwhelming board support they need when Rauner appoints replacements for Vallas (now the Chief Administrator) and Zollar, who resigned after failing to block Lindsey and Vallas, and along with Hatch, one of the two most intransigent unrepentant Wayne Watson supporters on the board.

After 2017-18, Chicago State will no longer have a D-I conference, as their contract will have run out. They failed to meet most of terms required by the WAC for membership, including staffing level minimums and major safety issues for D-I facilities. With Cal Baptist starting the WAC will no longer have need of Chicago State either.

Back to the basics, Chicago State never came close to the budget levels the WAC demanded, and are below 50% of that. Basically they are funded at below average D-II level. This funding comes almost 100% from tuition, meaning it is all institutional money. Donations and gate are close to zero. Given that they wont have a conference, and it is extremely unlikely the funding flood gates will open -and even if they did they would not be for athletics- rather the school is going to have to grind it's way out of it's present condition (at least the right leadership to do that is taking shape).

I wont go so far as to say they will drop down, but the math strongly points to Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference (CCAC) as the best match. Similar sized schools -including Governors State-, with similar budgets, all within a couple hours of Chicago. It's NAIA except Basketball which is D-II. The same budget would go much farther, as travel costs would be almost eliminated.

We shall see what they do. The WAC is looking at California (other schools than UCSD), and that door appears closed. I just don't any options for Chicago State in D-I.

The CCAC would be better than I would have dared hope for Chicago St. I hope they try to get into that conference, and I hope they are accepted. That would be a better outcome than shutting down varsity athletics completely, IMO!
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Chicago St landed a home game against Bradley (picked 5th in MVC). Might bode well for staying D1 next year.
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(06-14-2017 12:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Chicago St landed a home game against Bradley (picked 5th in MVC). Might bode well for staying D1 next year.

That is a nice pick up !
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(06-14-2017 01:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 12:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Chicago St landed a home game against Bradley (picked 5th in MVC). Might bode well for staying D1 next year.

That is a nice pick up !

It is. Can't help but also think about that jab on the Valley being a bus league, and Bradley now having at least three games in or close enough around Chicago.
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Why on earth play at Chicago St?? Obviously would make sense as a "warm-up" game, but at home.

Sheesh ... I doubt I would park my car and/or walk around the real south Chicago! (as opposed to the gentrified areas around U of Chicago, for example)
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(06-14-2017 03:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why on earth play at Chicago St?? Obviously would make sense as a "warm-up" game, but at home.

Sheesh ... I doubt I would park my car and/or walk around south Chicago ...

Their arena is a gem.
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(06-14-2017 03:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why on earth play at Chicago St?? Obviously would make sense as a "warm-up" game, but at home.

Sheesh ... I doubt I would park my car and/or walk around the real south Chicago! (as opposed to the gentrified areas around U of Chicago, for example)

My guess would be they cannot afford to pay for a buy game and a bus trip from Peoria is more cost effective than flying to someone else who would go home/home, maybe add that at least gives them a shot at a bit more coverage in the Chicago area as well.
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(06-14-2017 03:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why on earth play at Chicago St?? Obviously would make sense as a "warm-up" game, but at home.

Sheesh ... I doubt I would park my car and/or walk around the real south Chicago! (as opposed to the gentrified areas around U of Chicago, for example)

If you go to a game at Chicago State, you would park on campus next to the Arena. There is parking on campus. The campus is in a residential neighborhood and has campus police just like any other University. Come on. Let's stop with those kinds of comments...and the transparent code phrases: "real south Chicago" = crime infested neighborhoods where the blacks live; "gentrified areas around U of Chicago"= safe neighborhoods where the whites live. Damn!
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(06-14-2017 03:54 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 03:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why on earth play at Chicago St?? Obviously would make sense as a "warm-up" game, but at home.

Sheesh ... I doubt I would park my car and/or walk around south Chicago ...

Their arena is a gem.

Yep.
http://www.gocsucougars.com/sports/2013/...aspx?id=74

I didn't know they had 8 locker rooms. They could probably hosts a few tournaments or High School playoffs.
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