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(05-14-2017 07:09 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Not a smart move by B1G to announce a huge bonus to its executive. I think he's earned $20M, but to announce it like this sounds like a one time payment when it's supposedly going to be paid out over numerous years.

Student-athletes should be pissed.

If they want to start a rallying call, this is it.

Student athletes should be pissed?? How about regular students who have to take out loans to subsidize this ****?! Don't feel to bad for the athletes. My daughter between stipend payments and housing checks left college with 10K in the bank. Meanwhile many fellow students left with 100K in loans. If athletes manage money well they can leave with a nice bit of cash. My guess is the player complaining is one of the many football players that blow their money.

I understand this, but total amount isn't relevant. It's about whether you are getting paid in accordance with your market value. LeBron James might make over $20 million per year, but he's actually underpaid (as he would be making even more in a non-salary cap system), whereas there can be people making minimum wage that are overpaid relative to their market value. There are studies showing that the value of a 5-star recruit is close to $500,000 per year for a school, yet they're clearly not getting paid anywhere near that amount (at least above the board). The reason why shady boosters that pay players under the table exist is because everyone knows the true market value of these those players (and it exceeds the value of their scholarships).

There are really only a handful of players who are worth what they are getting now in terms of scholarship, coaching, training and exposure.

Wouldn't be surprised if there is a strike at some point and it marks the beginning of the end for college sports.
Bullet, it wouldn't be the end of college sports. It would be the beginning of the return to student athletes.

Curious, JR, what time period were there true student athletes?

Since the beginning of collegiate sports, Harvard/Yale regatta, those running them have profited through commercialization.

Nothing is new, just larger amounts of cash today.
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(05-14-2017 10:07 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 09:34 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 09:28 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 07:09 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Not a smart move by B1G to announce a huge bonus to its executive. I think he's earned $20M, but to announce it like this sounds like a one time payment when it's supposedly going to be paid out over numerous years.

Student-athletes should be pissed.

If they want to start a rallying call, this is it.

Student athletes should be pissed?? How about regular students who have to take out loans to subsidize this ****?! Don't feel to bad for the athletes. My daughter between stipend payments and housing checks left college with 10K in the bank. Meanwhile many fellow students left with 100K in loans. If athletes manage money well they can leave with a nice bit of cash. My guess is the player complaining is one of the many football players that blow their money.

I understand this, but total amount isn't relevant. It's about whether you are getting paid in accordance with your market value. LeBron James might make over $20 million per year, but he's actually underpaid (as he would be making even more in a non-salary cap system), whereas there can be people making minimum wage that are overpaid relative to their market value. There are studies showing that the value of a 5-star recruit is close to $500,000 per year for a school, yet they're clearly not getting paid anywhere near that amount (at least above the board). The reason why shady boosters that pay players under the table exist is because everyone knows the true market value of these those players (and it exceeds the value of their scholarships).

Exactly.

The last pick in the first round of the NFL draft gets a "rookie" contract worth about $9 million. No one can honestly argue that a player who is worth that much in April was only worth the price of a college scholarship in December.

The college teams reap the benefit of paying (almost) nothing for elite athletes whose market value is in the millions. The teams rake in the money while giving none of it to the athletes whose performances generate that money. That's why they have so much cash floating around that they can easily pay so many millions to coaches and commissioners.

It's not a lot unlike the music industry back in the day, or even still in the major studios. Artists make money off the touring, the album sales are all studio. Studios make the case all the investment and expenses are costs that are risks totally assumed by them. And it was worse when studios owned the rights to the songs, and the artists still had to give money back to the label to have the right to perform the songs.

It's explainable to some, theft to others.

I find it ironic this comes from a Michigan kid toward the commissioner. The kid should have a talk with Richard Sherman about the kind of stand up guy the kid is playing for. Total dirtbag.

Until athletic scholarships are universally guaranteed across D1 or all become like D3 or Ivy-level grant in aid bundles, I'll always side with the kids. And I know you get kids who have no business being in these schools getting scholarships whereas others get decades of debt; don't care. The schools assume the risk...and this is one possible outcome. So, own it. Get better at it. Make a mint off people, pay wheelbarrow-loads of cash to some, then expect people to complain about this. Or, be like me...contact your local rep and ask them why these schools can't pay taxes?
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(05-14-2017 12:54 PM)wrcwolf Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 10:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 10:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  
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(05-14-2017 09:28 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Student athletes should be pissed?? How about regular students who have to take out loans to subsidize this ****?! Don't feel to bad for the athletes. My daughter between stipend payments and housing checks left college with 10K in the bank. Meanwhile many fellow students left with 100K in loans. If athletes manage money well they can leave with a nice bit of cash. My guess is the player complaining is one of the many football players that blow their money.

I understand this, but total amount isn't relevant. It's about whether you are getting paid in accordance with your market value. LeBron James might make over $20 million per year, but he's actually underpaid (as he would be making even more in a non-salary cap system), whereas there can be people making minimum wage that are overpaid relative to their market value. There are studies showing that the value of a 5-star recruit is close to $500,000 per year for a school, yet they're clearly not getting paid anywhere near that amount (at least above the board). The reason why shady boosters that pay players under the table exist is because everyone knows the true market value of these those players (and it exceeds the value of their scholarships).

There are really only a handful of players who are worth what they are getting now in terms of scholarship, coaching, training and exposure.

Wouldn't be surprised if there is a strike at some point and it marks the beginning of the end for college sports.
Bullet, it wouldn't be the end of college sports. It would be the beginning of the return to student athletes.

Curious, JR, what time period were there true student athletes?

Since the beginning of collegiate sports, Harvard/Yale regatta, those running them have profited through commercialization.

Nothing is new, just larger amounts of cash today.

What you say is true. What I am referring to were the days when they actually had to take real classes and actually had to pass them. But even that was never pure which is why we have the committee on enforcement in the first place. Baseball, Softball, Soccer, Lacrosse, and other such sports still have the feel of student athletes about them. Basketball and Football haven't even been there in my lifetime, but even if by degree they were much more preferable in the 50's & 60's and certainly not because of segregation, but because there was still a sense of respect for the campus and other students, a sense of loyalty to the school when they left, and there was fairly strict discipline at most schools and it began with the coaches, not the administration.

But you are correct. It's very much like the old joke where the rich guy asked a pretty young woman if she would sleep with him for a million dollars. She thought for a while and said yes. He then offered her 100 dollars and she responded with what do you think I am. He said we have established that, now we are just haggling over the price. College athletics may be among the last vestiges of indentured servitude left in this country. I have long felt that student loans might be another.03-wink
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(05-13-2017 07:03 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Jim Delany has kids to feed.

When you've got kids to feed $20 million is critical.

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(05-14-2017 10:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 10:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 09:34 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 09:28 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 07:09 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Not a smart move by B1G to announce a huge bonus to its executive. I think he's earned $20M, but to announce it like this sounds like a one time payment when it's supposedly going to be paid out over numerous years.

Student-athletes should be pissed.

If they want to start a rallying call, this is it.

Student athletes should be pissed?? How about regular students who have to take out loans to subsidize this ****?! Don't feel to bad for the athletes. My daughter between stipend payments and housing checks left college with 10K in the bank. Meanwhile many fellow students left with 100K in loans. If athletes manage money well they can leave with a nice bit of cash. My guess is the player complaining is one of the many football players that blow their money.

I understand this, but total amount isn't relevant. It's about whether you are getting paid in accordance with your market value. LeBron James might make over $20 million per year, but he's actually underpaid (as he would be making even more in a non-salary cap system), whereas there can be people making minimum wage that are overpaid relative to their market value. There are studies showing that the value of a 5-star recruit is close to $500,000 per year for a school, yet they're clearly not getting paid anywhere near that amount (at least above the board). The reason why shady boosters that pay players under the table exist is because everyone knows the true market value of these those players (and it exceeds the value of their scholarships).

There are really only a handful of players who are worth what they are getting now in terms of scholarship, coaching, training and exposure.

Wouldn't be surprised if there is a strike at some point and it marks the beginning of the end for college sports.
Bullet, it wouldn't be the end of college sports. It would be the beginning of the return to student athletes.

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I see 2 problems with your rant that I would normally agree with in principle.

1) Not all, but certainly the majority of the kids who play CFB are not the best and brightest students on campus. That alone would dictate that these kids should be spending a lot of time on their studies. However, their commitments of time to the football program makes it difficult for them to learn effectively IMHO.

2) Since the majority of these kids probably do not deserve to be on campus in the academic sense in the first place, they end up gravitating towards the simpler degrees - if they even finish their degrees at all. When you are used as grist to keep the system going, you don't always end up with the best marketable skills to apply to the labor market when the football party is over.

Now there are some very bright kids that can do it all. These are the small minority. Most are dreaming of continuing their careers in a professional capacity. For the sake of these kids, a minor league system should have been established a long time ago. Sadly, it's not and schools have to play games because of it.

(05-14-2017 10:34 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 09:20 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  If the player has such a problem with the current system, transfer to a D2 school. Problem solved. Nobody is forcing him to play there and be "broke". I'm sure 1000s would gladly be taken advantage of in his place.

exactly and the guy is a 5th year senior he could have graduated last year and been in the working world now

or he could have gone pro two years ago......ofh wait he couldn't have gone pro two years ago because no one was going to draft him because he has no NFL value and probably will not have any NFL value after his 5th year either

or he could simply stop playing football, get a regular student job, give up that "worthless" housing, tuition, food, clothing, physical training, coaching, training facilities ect and give up on the dream of going pro and pay to get a degree and graduate and join the real world


(05-14-2017 10:07 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Exactly.

The last pick in the first round of the NFL draft gets a "rookie" contract worth about $9 million. No one can honestly argue that a player who is worth that much in April was only worth the price of a college scholarship in December.

The college teams reap the benefit of paying (almost) nothing for elite athletes whose market value is in the millions. The teams rake in the money while giving none of it to the athletes whose performances generate that money. That's why they have so much cash floating around that they can easily pay so many millions to coaches and commissioners.

this is exactly nonsense

what did all the players that were not drafted and that were not signed as free agents outside the draft get for their skills?

oh they got exactly what he market said their football skills were worth and that was ZERO

you seem to believe that the vast majority of D1-A players or even D1-AA players get drafted to the pros or ever spend a day in the pros much less the reality that the VAST majority never spend a day in the pros

and again this is another case of the economically challenged not understanding the difference between income and profits

college athletics programs do not make profits at the VAST majority of schools they lose large sums of money that come off of the backs of students that PAY to go to school and get their degree

and while it could be argued that a larger number of football programs do make money even if the athletics department overall loses money well then the "valuable" players like this should file a lawsuit and demand that football money pays for football and pull the rug out from under all those other sports that athletics programs sponsor and then they can see how long football last on their campus and how popular football players become on their campus

the "futcha pro balla" that called out this pay has career stats of 25 carries for 39 yards and 24 catches for 226 yards as a tight end playing three seasons so they are going pro in the drive thru most likely after they graduate or maybe selling cars or insurance if they get their degree

there is a high degree of likelihood they never would have stepped foot on a college campus much less a top university like Michigan without football and especially not for free (and getting paid a bit now as well)

the only thing better than seeing all these "muh money" morons left back in whatever town they come from after high school when the "pay me" blows up will be seeing the looks on the faces of the reporters that support them when they get fired because college football collapses and the looks on the fans faces when their program folds and they wonder where they will get a team to cheer for

idiots like this guy should sue the NFL and the NBA or go Arena Ball or move to Canada (if Canada takes high school players into the pros much less Canada does not let in people with the records that many HS players have) if they want to go pro and when that does not work out for them and they find their market value is zero they can get a real world economics lesson that no college will ever teach them and they can learn what super sizing it means
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(05-14-2017 01:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 12:54 PM)wrcwolf Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 10:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 10:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 09:34 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I understand this, but total amount isn't relevant. It's about whether you are getting paid in accordance with your market value. LeBron James might make over $20 million per year, but he's actually underpaid (as he would be making even more in a non-salary cap system), whereas there can be people making minimum wage that are overpaid relative to their market value. There are studies showing that the value of a 5-star recruit is close to $500,000 per year for a school, yet they're clearly not getting paid anywhere near that amount (at least above the board). The reason why shady boosters that pay players under the table exist is because everyone knows the true market value of these those players (and it exceeds the value of their scholarships).

There are really only a handful of players who are worth what they are getting now in terms of scholarship, coaching, training and exposure.

Wouldn't be surprised if there is a strike at some point and it marks the beginning of the end for college sports.
Bullet, it wouldn't be the end of college sports. It would be the beginning of the return to student athletes.

Curious, JR, what time period were there true student athletes?

Since the beginning of collegiate sports, Harvard/Yale regatta, those running them have profited through commercialization.

Nothing is new, just larger amounts of cash today.

What you say is true. What I am referring to were the days when they actually had to take real classes and actually had to pass them. But even that was never pure which is why we have the committee on enforcement in the first place. Baseball, Softball, Soccer, Lacrosse, and other such sports still have the feel of student athletes about them. Basketball and Football haven't even been there in my lifetime, but even if by degree they were much more preferable in the 50's & 60's and certainly not because of segregation, but because there was still a sense of respect for the campus and other students, a sense of loyalty to the school when they left, and there was fairly strict discipline at most schools and it began with the coaches, not the administration.

But you are correct. It's very much like the old joke where the rich guy asked a pretty young woman if she would sleep with him for a million dollars. She thought for a while and said yes. He then offered her 100 dollars and she responded with what do you think I am. He said we have established that, now we are just haggling over the price. College athletics may be among the last vestiges of indentured servitude left in this country. I have long felt that student loans might be another.03-wink

Well stated.

Imagine the US Military Academy football scandal or the William & Mary football scandal in the pure 50s accuring today? The point-shaving scandals in college bball during the 50s?

Never been about true student athletes. Schools have been bringing in ringers since they began competing against each other. The schools and NCAA just have done a better job at selling the propaganda. Walter Byers did great work in his job. He later called college athletics a "modern day plantation". Hmmm... The guy that created modern college athletics later realized what a sham it really was. Yet so many still believe.
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Khalid Hill is getting full paid tuition, cost of attendance stipend, access to free food 24/7 at the football training facility, free sneakers and athletic wear, an upgraded dorm room and access to free tutoring in every class. There are 40,000 kids going to Mich paying for all of that and plenty of them are broke right now. Maybe Mr Hill needs to check his situation a little better.
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(05-14-2017 12:43 PM)wrcwolf Wrote:  1) It's rather simple, take away the current athlete compensation cap that the universities have agreed to work under. If college athletes actually have no value, then nothing will change. No need to collude and cap compensation. Why are the schools afraid to do that?

2) It is comical to continue to hear, read people spew the NCAA (schools) propaganda. Individual athletic departments spend either as much as they bring in or damn near close to it for many reasons. One of them is to claim they have no money. Better to build a meaningless barber shop for them. If they were run as the business they are, most would be hoarding some of the record revenue they are getting each year. Tough to have $70 million in the coffers and ask Billy Bob to donate $1000/year for the right to purchase season tickets. Tough to charge Salley Mae $100/semester in student fees, as well.

Most FBS schools lose money on football. Until the last round of contracts, a good % of the P5 schools lost money on football.
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(05-14-2017 10:34 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  what did all the players that were not drafted and that were not signed as free agents outside the draft get for their skills?

oh they got exactly what he market said their football skills were worth and that was ZERO

you seem to believe that the vast majority of D1-A players or even D1-AA players get drafted to the pros or ever spend a day in the pros much less the reality that the VAST majority never spend a day in the pros

Your comment is based on the assumption that if college athletes could be paid, all of them would be paid the same amount. That's how it is now (i.e., none of them are paid at all, at least legally), but there's no reason it has to be that way.

The most valuable athletes, or those most in demand, could and should be paid more. The compensation for Myles Garrett or Leonard Fournette doesn't have to be the same as that of every other player in FBS. The most sought-after players drive the W-L records, the titles, the attendance, the media money, all of that. Schools don't pay every coach, or every athletic director, or every university president, the same amount of money, and there's no reason to pay every athlete the same amount, either.
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(05-14-2017 01:17 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Well Harbaugh makes 2.5 x as much as Delany's base pay every year and Harbaugh gets bonuses. I think 20 million for Delany in a year where the Big 10 Network lost 39.2% of its value is a bit steep. The average share in the Big 10 Network decreased from 113.5 million in 2015 to 81.5 million in 2016. If each school loses 32 million each in equity in the Big 10 Network why does Delany deserve 20 million in bonuses for a 6 year deal with FOX and ESPN?

But if the player is upset that Delany gets 20 million as a bonus and makes 2 million a year as a base salary then why does he play for a guy who earns 2.5 times what Delany makes in base pay and still gets bonuses too? I think he should be upset about both.

Anyway 20 million looks like a golden parachute to me for years of really stellar service.

Your valuation isn't worth the paper it was written on, but your sentiment is true/valid. Jim is wildly over-paid. He didn't bring in $22 million last year, which is a HUGE problem, given that the B1G member are almost entirely public, and many of the B1G states are broke. He's taking money from Midwestern taxpayers.

And before some B1G homer gets cute and starts babbling on about the financial policy at some cherry picked B1G school, money is fungible.
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He could have gone to the MAC, I'm sure the MAC commissioner isn't getting anywhere near that much money.
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(05-14-2017 09:34 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 09:28 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 07:09 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Not a smart move by B1G to announce a huge bonus to its executive. I think he's earned $20M, but to announce it like this sounds like a one time payment when it's supposedly going to be paid out over numerous years.

Student-athletes should be pissed.

If they want to start a rallying call, this is it.

Student athletes should be pissed?? How about regular students who have to take out loans to subsidize this ****?! Don't feel to bad for the athletes. My daughter between stipend payments and housing checks left college with 10K in the bank. Meanwhile many fellow students left with 100K in loans. If athletes manage money well they can leave with a nice bit of cash. My guess is the player complaining is one of the many football players that blow their money.

I understand this, but total amount isn't relevant. It's about whether you are getting paid in accordance with your market value. LeBron James might make over $20 million per year, but he's actually underpaid (as he would be making even more in a non-salary cap system), whereas there can be people making minimum wage that are overpaid relative to their market value. There are studies showing that the value of a 5-star recruit is close to $500,000 per year for a school, yet they're clearly not getting paid anywhere near that amount (at least above the board). The reason why shady boosters that pay players under the table exist is because everyone knows the true market value of these those players (and it exceeds the value of their scholarships).

Link for that study?
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(05-14-2017 09:28 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 07:09 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Not a smart move by B1G to announce a huge bonus to its executive. I think he's earned $20M, but to announce it like this sounds like a one time payment when it's supposedly going to be paid out over numerous years.

Student-athletes should be pissed.

If they want to start a rallying call, this is it.

Student athletes should be pissed?? How about regular students who have to take out loans to subsidize this ****?! Don't feel to bad for the athletes. My daughter between stipend payments and housing checks left college with 10K in the bank. Meanwhile many fellow students left with 100K in loans. If athletes manage money well they can leave with a nice bit of cash. My guess is the player complaining is one of the many football players that blow their money.
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The fact of the matter is the current package college football players get overpays some of them and underpays others. The "easiest" solution (none are truly easy or they'd be done by now) would to be to let players capitalize on their image. This would lead to a much larger payday for the QB at Notre Dame than the backup punter at Coastal Carolina, and rightfully so.
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(05-14-2017 04:46 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 10:34 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  what did all the players that were not drafted and that were not signed as free agents outside the draft get for their skills?

oh they got exactly what he market said their football skills were worth and that was ZERO

you seem to believe that the vast majority of D1-A players or even D1-AA players get drafted to the pros or ever spend a day in the pros much less the reality that the VAST majority never spend a day in the pros

Your comment is based on the assumption that if college athletes could be paid, all of them would be paid the same amount. That's how it is now (i.e., none of them are paid at all, at least legally), but there's no reason it has to be that way.

The most valuable athletes, or those most in demand, could and should be paid more. The compensation for Myles Garrett or Leonard Fournette doesn't have to be the same as that of every other player in FBS. The most sought-after players drive the W-L records, the titles, the attendance, the media money, all of that. Schools don't pay every coach, or every athletic director, or every university president, the same amount of money, and there's no reason to pay every athlete the same amount, either.

and your assumption is that when it is all said and done and you are paying those very few players "what they are worth" (after years of a massive investment in time and effort into their coaching and training) that there will be enough money to pay players like khalid hill that have a market value of ZERO to the pros

because the reality is whether they have any use for it or not they are getting about $100,000 to $200,000 (possibly higher at MU) in tuition, housing. food, clothing and the like for playing and that is probably not totally counting the cost of coaches and trainers and facilities to coach and train them

and I am sure your argument will be "well then some programs can break off and go semi-pro" or "well them some players might not get to play college ball"

and the results of that (which I would not mind at all) would be a "league" of about 10 schools all beating up on each others and massive fan disinterest until it all fell apart and about 90% of the football athletes on college campuses would never set foot on a college campus and they would never come close to sniffing a college degree

but hey "major win" because a few knuckleheads that have no business con a college campus are now getting paid a lot of money to waste space on that campus until it all falls apart in a few years

plus if you are going to demand that the college level be a semi pro league then surely you are in favor of semi pro players paying their "teams" as they exit to move up to the big leagues and the result of that will be a lot of players cutting million dollar plus checks and that is one less million they have of a very short pro career to blow before they end up out of the pros and massively in debt and with little skills and no education of meaning

I would much prefer that these athlete athletes sue the NFL and the NBA for the right to take their ignorance and stupidity and their lack of use for a college degree directly to the pros and then they no longer infest the college game and drive up the cost of the college game for those that actually place a value on the education, housing, food, clothing and training that they get for free in exchange for playing a sport that they have no real pro value after college

or better yet we can simply start requiring all paid players to pay full tuition, books, food, housing and even training facilities fees and they can also pay "players taxes" in the cities and towns they play in and when 99% of then have someone that can do math explain the math to them they will realize they are going to get paid perhaps $45,000 in real dollars and they are going to owe $125,000 in tuition, taxes, training cost, food, clothing and housing

then of course those same morons and their idiotic advocates will be crying that "youth" no longer have access to a college education because they have been priced out of the ability to pay to play.....then we ca point to the few fools making a lot more money and say "take it up with them" or "ask your homie for a loan" and laugh at their financial and economic ignorance and then tell them to make it a double and hurry up the line at the drive thru is backing up

there was a comment on the A&M fan forum about dopie noil not getting taken by Green Bay and not making the free agent list and they said that 1/3 of the players that leave school early do not end up drafted

so they go from free food, tuition, housing, clothing, training ect worth about $200,000+ a year at an SEC SEC SEC type program to NOTHING and they have no degree as well......why would anyone want to pay these people to litter a college campus in the first place whe they belong in Arena ball or somewhere like that where they can play football and be stupid and it will not come at the expense of other college students on campus to actually PAY to get a degree
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(05-14-2017 07:08 PM)Chappy Wrote:  The fact of the matter is the current package college football players get overpays some of them and underpays others. The "easiest" solution (none are truly easy or they'd be done by now) would to be to let players capitalize on their image. This would lead to a much larger payday for the QB at Notre Dame than the backup punter at Coastal Carolina, and rightfully so.

no the easiest and best solution is to keep those that have no use for a college education off of college campuses and make them someone else's problem

or those that think they are worth more than the value of a college education and all the other associated cost can find someone that wants to foot the bill for that.....like a minor league system

these "playas" need to go after the NFL and the NBA and stop trying to ruin college football even more than they have

and of anyone thinks that schools even like Michigan or Texas (or possibly even Alabama) are just waiting to go to a pay players model they are sadly mistaken they are waiting for it all to blow up like the rest of us
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You can't blame the players for the NFL's and NBA's lack of a minor league system. You can fault the universities for admitting players that shouldn't qualify though.

And I'm not suggesting the schools pay the players any more than they are now. I'm suggesting they allow the players for make money off their own likeness. Like video games, jersey sales, bobble heads, local commercials, speaking engagements, etc.
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(05-14-2017 09:20 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  If the player has such a problem with the current system, transfer to a D2 school. Problem solved. Nobody is forcing him to play there and be "broke". I'm sure 1000s would gladly be taken advantage of in his place.

COMPLETELY agree.

If he has that much talent, it won't matter which program he's at, the pros will find him.
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I don't see any value in the kid's comment.

Is NCAAF big business for the schools? Yes.

Are kids getting phenomenal opportunities to play the game and, if they want it, an education? Yes.

Its a question of equity and this is the wrong place to stand to make such an argument.
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