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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
(05-21-2017 11:26 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-21-2017 07:51 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem with the three California Big Sky schools for football is that they really don't have close rivals. Big Sky is a big travel burden that I do see a split down the road in the future with the southern schools breaking away from the northern schools.

Sacramento State
UC-Davis
Cal. Poly
Northern Arizona
Southern Utah

They could join up with?
Humboldt State
Azusa Pacific
Dixie State

Grand Canyon and Utah Valley if they add football.

Western New Mexico and maybe a Colorado State-Pueblo could be a good southern Southwest conference.

Big Sky could take in the other GNAC north schools to replace the three California schools for all sports. I do think that Big Sky's requirements is that you have to have football. That leaves out the non-football schools of the WAC.

These fantasies have become too ridiculously idiotic, it's not worth the effort.


It might be ridiculous to you, but it might become a factor down the road for budget issues. These D1 schools including the P5, the way it is structure? It can not continue. Adding more schools for regional rivalries could help these schools out more. The Montanas did not like the idea of adding Southern Utah. It was like MWC adding San Jose State. They only agree to it while holding their nose. If it is a way to break away from Southern Utah? The Montanas will be happy to do it.
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
(05-21-2017 11:47 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-21-2017 11:26 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-21-2017 07:51 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem with the three California Big Sky schools for football is that they really don't have close rivals. Big Sky is a big travel burden that I do see a split down the road in the future with the southern schools breaking away from the northern schools.

Sacramento State
UC-Davis
Cal. Poly
Northern Arizona
Southern Utah

They could join up with?
Humboldt State
Azusa Pacific
Dixie State

Grand Canyon and Utah Valley if they add football.

Western New Mexico and maybe a Colorado State-Pueblo could be a good southern Southwest conference.

Big Sky could take in the other GNAC north schools to replace the three California schools for all sports. I do think that Big Sky's requirements is that you have to have football. That leaves out the non-football schools of the WAC.

These fantasies have become too ridiculously idiotic, it's not worth the effort.


It might be ridiculous to you, but it might become a factor down the road for budget issues. These D1 schools including the P5, the way it is structure? It can not continue. Adding more schools for regional rivalries could help these schools out more. The Montanas did not like the idea of adding Southern Utah. It was like MWC adding San Jose State. They only agree to it while holding their nose. If it is a way to break away from Southern Utah? The Montanas will be happy to do it.

Add schools, get a smaller piece of pie. A main reason the MW added San Jose State was to help baseball and men's cross country.
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
The primary reason the MWC added San Jose State was to have better regular access to Bay Area recruiting, especially in the South Bay (where SJSU is located) and East Bay (which is nearby). EBAL and WCAL are the primary HS conferences recruited, which are rich with talent. When you hear of kids coming from Riordon, Serra (Tom Brady's school), Mitty, St. Francis, Bellarmine, De La Salle, Valley Christian, Palo Alto, American (in Fremont), Oakland Tech, McLymonds, Berkeley High, etc, these are are Bay Area kids. Only Texas and the Los Angeles basin produce more pro athletes in the west.

A second reason, the Bay Area, especially the South Bay, is a rich deposit of MWC alumni drawn into Silicon Valley. Important for fund raising and even viewership (in theory anyway ... in reality I don't think beyond Boise St and SDSU, a little UNLV, that anyone watches MWC games, even if you went to an MWC school)
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San Jose State may be the worst program in the MWC. I can barely think of any time they've been relevant.
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(05-21-2017 02:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The primary reason the MWC added San Jose State was to have better regular access to Bay Area recruiting, especially in the South Bay (where SJSU is located) and East Bay (which is nearby). EBAL and WCAL are the primary HS conferences recruited, which are rich with talent. When you hear of kids coming from Riordon, Serra (Tom Brady's school), Mitty, St. Francis, Bellarmine, De La Salle, Valley Christian, Palo Alto, American (in Fremont), Oakland Tech, McLymonds, Berkeley High, etc, these are are Bay Area kids. Only Texas and the Los Angeles basin produce more pro athletes in the west.

A second reason, the Bay Area, especially the South Bay, is a rich deposit of MWC alumni drawn into Silicon Valley. Important for fund raising and even viewership (in theory anyway ... in reality I don't think beyond Boise St and SDSU, a little UNLV, that anyone watches MWC games, even if you went to an MWC school)

Thanks for adding this. I remember reading an article that was saying the MW could be in danger of losing FBS status because it would not have enough baseball and men's XC teams when Boise State and San Diego State were leaving to drop the number of conference men's sports below the minimum. Wasn't SJSU the last MW addition?
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
Yes, San Jose State and Utah State were the last two added to the MWC.
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
First of all, we are in the process of fundraising for a new 6,000 seat on campus arena that so far as SDH has said already has about 1.2 million in donations. Second, we hired an AD specifically to get the rest of it going, I think with a private/public partnership. I've heard the Sacramento Kings want to move their D-League team to town from Reno and pairing them up at a new Sac State arena would be a win-win.

Third, despite a possible new MLS stadium, there is no way we would go off campus for that. First, it would be completely out of our control on schedules, we wouldn't control any revenue and would have a hard time I think getting the on-campus students to attend. Plus, look at how Portland State is treated at Providence Park by the Timbers. The soccer folks there (both the team and the fans) want PSU gone and the poor Vikings are treated as third-class citizens. I think most Hornet fans and alumni don't want to have any part in that. We have a 21,000 seat on-campus stadium that all we have to do is get rid of the track one day.
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It's a shame that soccer snobs have to ruin it for the college football folks. G5 football and MLS need roughly the same seating capacity to be successful and it would make a ton of sense for them to work together in places like San Diego, Portland, Sacramento, Charlotte etc.
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Portland State is not G5. It's FCS, like Texas Southern, who plays in a soccer facility.
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(05-21-2017 02:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The primary reason the MWC added San Jose State was to have better regular access to Bay Area recruiting, especially in the South Bay (where SJSU is located) and East Bay (which is nearby). EBAL and WCAL are the primary HS conferences recruited, which are rich with talent. When you hear of kids coming from Riordon, Serra (Tom Brady's school), Mitty, St. Francis, Bellarmine, De La Salle, Valley Christian, Palo Alto, American (in Fremont), Oakland Tech, McLymonds, Berkeley High, etc, these are are Bay Area kids. Only Texas and the Los Angeles basin produce more pro athletes in the west.

A second reason, the Bay Area, especially the South Bay, is a rich deposit of MWC alumni drawn into Silicon Valley. Important for fund raising and even viewership (in theory anyway ... in reality I don't think beyond Boise St and SDSU, a little UNLV, that anyone watches MWC games, even if you went to an MWC school)

No one watches SJSU games because more than any school I have seen, SJSU fans root for other college teams in the Bay Area. Average attendance for Fresno Football in the worst year ever, playing unwatchable football was 25K average. San Jose State averaged 10K. Fresno has raised money and will start construction on a 60M remodel of Bulldog Stadium. SJSU continues to struggle with an inadequate stadium despite being in a wealthy area.

Please don't project San Jose / Bay Area attitudes to the valley which you don't understand.
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(05-23-2017 01:27 PM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  First of all, we are in the process of fundraising for a new 6,000 seat on campus arena that so far as SDH has said already has about 1.2 million in donations. Second, we hired an AD specifically to get the rest of it going, I think with a private/public partnership. I've heard the Sacramento Kings want to move their D-League team to town from Reno and pairing them up at a new Sac State arena would be a win-win.

Third, despite a possible new MLS stadium, there is no way we would go off campus for that. First, it would be completely out of our control on schedules, we wouldn't control any revenue and would have a hard time I think getting the on-campus students to attend. Plus, look at how Portland State is treated at Providence Park by the Timbers. The soccer folks there (both the team and the fans) want PSU gone and the poor Vikings are treated as third-class citizens. I think most Hornet fans and alumni don't want to have any part in that. We have a 21,000 seat on-campus stadium that all we have to do is get rid of the track one day.

Isn't your track one of the top tracks in the nation? Doubt your getting rid of it.
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(05-23-2017 06:31 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Portland State is not G5. It's FCS, like Texas Southern, who plays in a soccer facility.

I'm aware of that. Sacramento St is either. My point still stands, if these schools and the existing and aspiring MLS clubs could work together it would be benifical for both parties.
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(05-23-2017 08:59 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(05-23-2017 01:27 PM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  First of all, we are in the process of fundraising for a new 6,000 seat on campus arena that so far as SDH has said already has about 1.2 million in donations. Second, we hired an AD specifically to get the rest of it going, I think with a private/public partnership. I've heard the Sacramento Kings want to move their D-League team to town from Reno and pairing them up at a new Sac State arena would be a win-win.

Third, despite a possible new MLS stadium, there is no way we would go off campus for that. First, it would be completely out of our control on schedules, we wouldn't control any revenue and would have a hard time I think getting the on-campus students to attend. Plus, look at how Portland State is treated at Providence Park by the Timbers. The soccer folks there (both the team and the fans) want PSU gone and the poor Vikings are treated as third-class citizens. I think most Hornet fans and alumni don't want to have any part in that. We have a 21,000 seat on-campus stadium that all we have to do is get rid of the track one day.

Isn't your track one of the top tracks in the nation? Doubt your getting rid of it.
Yup, hosting the USATF Championship in June (hosted it a few years ago as well), our men's team won the BSC outdoor title this year and women have traditionally be dominant as well. Wish we could get rid of that track, but we aren't.

The track kills sight lines and keeps people at least an additional 20 yards further form the action for football. So long as the track is there, there will never be an excellent game day atmosphere in the stadium. When the MLS stadium gets built (it's going to happen), I would like to see at least one game a year there. The Causeway would be the only match-up to make such an idea worthwhile (probably would sell out, probably would get on regional TV).
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