An interesting question would be, under the hypothetical of course, if Notre Dame had the power to create a new conference and bring along any members it could, who would they look to ask?

My guess would be:

Boston College
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Michigan State
Navy (Football-Only)
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Stanford
Texas
USC

(05-15-2017 11:54 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:25 AM)mj4life Wrote:  The only scenario I see which forces ND to join is the lack of access to the playoff. If being a conference champion is the only way to access the playoff then it becomes more likely but I doubt the SEC or B1G would support the champions only model. ND in theory could assign it's tv rights to the ACC/ESPN package. Sure they would lose the exclusive nature of their NBC deal but that could be in exchange for a digital ND channel which is possible with the ACCN digital platform

Well for a timeline if the Big 12 goes away in about 5-7 years you might wind up with a champs only de facto. I wouldn't be surprised if the dissolution of the Big 12 was the catalyst for N.D. going all in. The champs only model is natural and almost irrepressible at that point. And, perhaps more importantly, N.D. would have no more cards to play with regards to vulnerable conferences in need of a prop. The PAC, SEC and Big 10 would be a no to special perks, and the ACC would no longer have a reason to extend them. So while I don't find it that impractical to think they might throw in at the time of the ACCN's debut, they certainly will soberly be facing that situation by 2025.

As to Cincinnati, it is the home of N.D.'s recruiting base in Ohio (Moeller High School) and should ESPN retreat further from the overpriced Big 10 package having a backdoor into Ohio advertising might be something they would like.

With Missouri, possibly Kansas at that time, and having schools in Indiana and Pennsylvania and Ohio ESPN will have access to the larger underbelly of the Big 10's markets without having to pay both the Big 10 and ACC for them. It's the kind of market triage that makes sense. So what if you can't reach Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Nebraska. You'll still get part Michigan with N.D. and you get into Chicago with them and New York.

IMO the Big 10 really wanted N.D. for two reasons. 1. They are a huge brand with a big draw within their footprint. 2. N.D. would keep their big draw within the Big 10 footprint even if they were to join another conference. N.D. was both an offensive prize for the Big 10 and a defensive play to hold a clamp on access to their markets.

After the committee's stinko decision to take Ohio State over Penn St last year, I could see the conference champion thing being re-emphasized in future years. Penn St may not have done any better than OSU in the playoffs, but you could argue PSU deserved it more than OSU because PSU was the conference champ and PSU beat OSU. PSU deserved the chance to lose to Clemson or Bama i the playoffs, not OSU.

But...in real life...not on message boards...just last year...it was not "conference champs only" and may never be so.

The Big Ten and SEC may want two teams in the playoffs in the future, not just one.

I have never believed in the 4x16, conference champs only outcome.

It sounds nice and neat, but real life in general (and college football in particular) is much more messy, parochial and chaotic than the CR message board fantasy of 4x16.

(05-15-2017 03:34 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  An interesting question would be, under the hypothetical of course, if Notre Dame had the power to create a new conference and bring along any members it could, who would they look to ask?

Boston College
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Michigan State
Navy (Football-Only)
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Stanford
Texas
USC

For all sports but football and hockey?

The question pre-supposes that ND wants its football program in ANY conference, even one of its own choosing, if possible.

That is the last thing ND wants.

(05-15-2017 03:31 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:50 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:25 AM)mj4life Wrote:  The only scenario I see which forces ND to join is the lack of access to the playoff. If being a conference champion is the only way to access the playoff then it becomes more likely but I doubt the SEC or B1G would support the champions only model. ND in theory could assign it's tv rights to the ACC/ESPN package. Sure they would lose the exclusive nature of their NBC deal but that could be in exchange for a digital ND channel which is possible with the ACCN digital platform

Well for a timeline if the Big 12 goes away in about 5-7 years you might wind up with a champs only de facto. I wouldn't be surprised if the dissolution of the Big 12 was the catalyst for N.D. going all in. The champs only model is natural and almost irrepressible at that point. And, perhaps more importantly, N.D. would have no more cards to play with regards to vulnerable conferences in need of a prop. The PAC, SEC and Big 10 would be a no to special perks, and the ACC would no longer have a reason to extend them. So while I don't find it that impractical to think they might throw in at the time of the ACCN's debut, they certainly will soberly be facing that situation by 2025.

As to Cincinnati, it is the home of N.D.'s recruiting base in Ohio (Moeller High School) and should ESPN retreat further from the overpriced Big 10 package having a backdoor into Ohio advertising might be something they would like.

With Missouri, possibly Kansas at that time, and having schools in Indiana and Pennsylvania and Ohio ESPN will have access to the larger underbelly of the Big 10's markets without having to pay both the Big 10 and ACC for them. It's the kind of market triage that makes sense. So what if you can't reach Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Nebraska. You'll still get part Michigan with N.D. and you get into Chicago with them and New York.

IMO the Big 10 really wanted N.D. for two reasons. 1. They are a huge brand with a big draw within their footprint. 2. N.D. would keep their big draw within the Big 10 footprint even if they were to join another conference. N.D. was both an offensive prize for the Big 10 and a defensive play to hold a clamp on access to their markets.

Right, Notre Dame broadens the ACC's market reach quite a bit.

ESPN is smart enough to let ND decide on its own whether to join the ACC in football, but if ND ever does get to the point where they're seriously considering it, ESPN will put enough money on the table to make it very attractive.

You also wonder how long NBC will hold on with College Football and with 1 main school. ACCN, SECN,BTN could be drawing huge numbers in say 3-5 years. If Big 12 folds 4 champions could take 4 spots every year, then what. Play an 8 game ACC schedule and still have room for other top opponents every year.

Well, past history is no guarantee of future performance, but NBC has continiously renewed the ND deal every five years from 1991 through 2015.

For the renewal of the 2010-15 ND deal, NBC renewed it for ten years, not five, and signed a separate deal to televise all ND home hockey games on NBC.

NBC has its sunk costs already paid for. They don't move equipment around to games.

All of their equipment is in one set location, Notre Dame Stadium.

NBC makes money on the ND deal, is not afraid of "cord cutting" as an OTA network and has ND as one if its few sports properties.

I don't think that ND is in any danger at all of losing the NBC contract.

(05-15-2017 03:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:34 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  An interesting question would be, under the hypothetical of course, if Notre Dame had the power to create a new conference and bring along any members it could, who would they look to ask?

Boston College
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Michigan State
Navy (Football-Only)
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Stanford
Texas
USC

For all sports but football and hockey?

The question pre-supposes that ND wants its football program in ANY conference, even one of its own choosing, if possible.

That is the last thing ND wants.

It would be for football, Terry. I know Notre Dame does not want to be in a conference, and am firmly in the camp that ND will not be in a conference for the foreseeable future. My only hypothetical was that - if Notre Dame had the power to create a new football conference - who would they want to bring along to join them. They would clearly want a national conference (not based in any region), with other power members and locations their alumni can travel nationally for.

Part of the desire, on ND's part, for independence is freedom in scheduling. What if they controlled that aspect by being in control who was in the conference? I was just curious who they would be interested in by aligning with them, that's all.

(05-15-2017 03:45 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:34 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  An interesting question would be, under the hypothetical of course, if Notre Dame had the power to create a new conference and bring along any members it could, who would they look to ask?

Boston College
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Michigan State
Navy (Football-Only)
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Stanford
Texas
USC

For all sports but football and hockey?

The question pre-supposes that ND wants its football program in ANY conference, even one of its own choosing, if possible.

That is the last thing ND wants.

It would be for football, Terry. I know Notre Dame does not want to be in a conference, and am firmly in the camp that ND will not be in a conference for the foreseeable future. My only hypothetical was that - if Notre Dame had the power to create a new football conference - who would they want to bring along to join them. They would clearly want a national conference (not based in any region), with other power members and locations their alumni can travel nationally for.

Part of the desire, on ND's part, for independence is freedom in scheduling. What if they controlled that aspect by being in control who was in the conference? I was just curious who they would be interested in by aligning with them, that's all.

Understood. I'll play nice. Here is mine.

Ten schools, including ND. Seven conference games, five OOC games:


Southern Cal (California)
Stanford

Navy (traditional, owe them)

Michigan State (for ignoring Michigan's boycott)

Texas (Texas, duh)

Florida State (Florida)
Miami

Pitt
BC (East Coast/traditional)


OOC rotation:

Alabama
LSU
Georgia

Arizona State

Oklahoma

North Carolina
Clemson

Temple
Syracuse

Army

Hawaii

Random

(05-15-2017 03:56 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:45 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:34 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  An interesting question would be, under the hypothetical of course, if Notre Dame had the power to create a new conference and bring along any members it could, who would they look to ask?

Boston College
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Michigan State
Navy (Football-Only)
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Stanford
Texas
USC

For all sports but football and hockey?

The question pre-supposes that ND wants its football program in ANY conference, even one of its own choosing, if possible.

That is the last thing ND wants.

It would be for football, Terry. I know Notre Dame does not want to be in a conference, and am firmly in the camp that ND will not be in a conference for the foreseeable future. My only hypothetical was that - if Notre Dame had the power to create a new football conference - who would they want to bring along to join them. They would clearly want a national conference (not based in any region), with other power members and locations their alumni can travel nationally for.

Part of the desire, on ND's part, for independence is freedom in scheduling. What if they controlled that aspect by being in control who was in the conference? I was just curious who they would be interested in by aligning with them, that's all.

Understood. I'll play nice. Here is mine.

Ten schools, including ND. Seven conference games, five OOC games:


Southern Cal (West Coast)
Stanford

Navy (traditional, owe them)

Michigan State (for ignoring Michigan's boycott)

Texas

Florida State (Florida)
Miami

Pitt
BC (East Coast/traditional)


OOC rotation:

Alabama
LSU
Georgia

Arizona State

Oklahoma

North Carolina

Temple
Syracuse

Hawaii

Random filler

Interesting. Out of curiosity, why did you list Hawaii? Solid listing, IMO.

(05-15-2017 04:00 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:56 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:45 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:34 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  An interesting question would be, under the hypothetical of course, if Notre Dame had the power to create a new conference and bring along any members it could, who would they look to ask?

Boston College
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Michigan State
Navy (Football-Only)
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Stanford
Texas
USC

For all sports but football and hockey?

The question pre-supposes that ND wants its football program in ANY conference, even one of its own choosing, if possible.

That is the last thing ND wants.

It would be for football, Terry. I know Notre Dame does not want to be in a conference, and am firmly in the camp that ND will not be in a conference for the foreseeable future. My only hypothetical was that - if Notre Dame had the power to create a new football conference - who would they want to bring along to join them. They would clearly want a national conference (not based in any region), with other power members and locations their alumni can travel nationally for.

Part of the desire, on ND's part, for independence is freedom in scheduling. What if they controlled that aspect by being in control who was in the conference? I was just curious who they would be interested in by aligning with them, that's all.

Understood. I'll play nice. Here is mine.

Ten schools, including ND. Seven conference games, five OOC games:


Southern Cal (West Coast)
Stanford

Navy (traditional, owe them)

Michigan State (for ignoring Michigan's boycott)

Texas

Florida State (Florida)
Miami

Pitt
BC (East Coast/traditional)


OOC rotation:

Alabama
LSU
Georgia

Arizona State

Oklahoma

North Carolina

Temple
Syracuse

Hawaii

Random filler

Interesting. Out of curiosity, why did you list Hawaii? Solid listing, IMO.

Cuz its Hawaii. It would be a reward/trip for the players. Plus, ND used to play Hawaii a few times in the early Nineties. A little history there.



This would give ND coverage over the major recruiting areas of Texas, California and Florida.

It would give ND a solid Northeast presence, plus some games along the Southeast coast where ND is trying to upgrade its recruiting.

It also gives some games against traditional opponents like Pitt, BC, Army, etc..

It would provide OOC marquee matchups against some big name schools.

Finally, it would reward loyalty (Michigan State) and would continue gratitude (Navy).

No travel partners for ND here, lol.

Set up that conference and name me Commissioner. I am tired of practicing law, anyway.

(Of course, even if no GOR's, none of these other schools would want to be in such a conference with ND, most likely)

(05-15-2017 04:00 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:56 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:45 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:34 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  An interesting question would be, under the hypothetical of course, if Notre Dame had the power to create a new conference and bring along any members it could, who would they look to ask?

Boston College
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Michigan State
Navy (Football-Only)
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Stanford
Texas
USC

For all sports but football and hockey?

The question pre-supposes that ND wants its football program in ANY conference, even one of its own choosing, if possible.

That is the last thing ND wants.

It would be for football, Terry. I know Notre Dame does not want to be in a conference, and am firmly in the camp that ND will not be in a conference for the foreseeable future. My only hypothetical was that - if Notre Dame had the power to create a new football conference - who would they want to bring along to join them. They would clearly want a national conference (not based in any region), with other power members and locations their alumni can travel nationally for.

Part of the desire, on ND's part, for independence is freedom in scheduling. What if they controlled that aspect by being in control who was in the conference? I was just curious who they would be interested in by aligning with them, that's all.

Understood. I'll play nice. Here is mine.

Ten schools, including ND. Seven conference games, five OOC games:


Southern Cal (West Coast)
Stanford

Navy (traditional, owe them)

Michigan State (for ignoring Michigan's boycott)

Texas

Florida State (Florida)
Miami

Pitt
BC (East Coast/traditional)


OOC rotation:

Alabama
LSU
Georgia

Arizona State

Oklahoma

North Carolina

Temple
Syracuse

Hawaii

Random filler

Interesting. Out of curiosity, why did you list Hawaii? Solid listing, IMO.

I'll guess: Notre Dame and Hawaii have a little history. In my lifetime I remember 4 Hawaii Notre Dame games not counting the two playing in the Hawaii Bowl. Plus a 13th game. Plus, it's a flagship with decent academics. Plus it's freaking Hawaii! Fun!

Brando chimes in on Twitter to pump the brakes and crawfish:


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 13m 13 minutes ago
Replying to @HoopsWeiss

Let's pump the breaks here Hoops! I've stated there have been discussions, informal yes, but it's my strong opinion it's a matter of time.

(05-15-2017 04:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Brando chimes in on Twitter to pump the brakes and crawfish:


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 13m 13 minutes ago
Replying to @HoopsWeiss

Let's pump the breaks here Hoops! I've stated there have been discussions, informal yes, but it's my strong opinion it's a matter of time.

Brando is full of shite. Poor Shreveport

(05-15-2017 03:56 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:45 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:34 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  An interesting question would be, under the hypothetical of course, if Notre Dame had the power to create a new conference and bring along any members it could, who would they look to ask?

Boston College
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Michigan State
Navy (Football-Only)
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Stanford
Texas
USC

For all sports but football and hockey?

The question pre-supposes that ND wants its football program in ANY conference, even one of its own choosing, if possible.

That is the last thing ND wants.

It would be for football, Terry. I know Notre Dame does not want to be in a conference, and am firmly in the camp that ND will not be in a conference for the foreseeable future. My only hypothetical was that - if Notre Dame had the power to create a new football conference - who would they want to bring along to join them. They would clearly want a national conference (not based in any region), with other power members and locations their alumni can travel nationally for.

Part of the desire, on ND's part, for independence is freedom in scheduling. What if they controlled that aspect by being in control who was in the conference? I was just curious who they would be interested in by aligning with them, that's all.

Understood. I'll play nice. Here is mine.

Ten schools, including ND. Seven conference games, five OOC games:


Southern Cal (California)
Stanford

Navy (traditional, owe them)

Michigan State (for ignoring Michigan's boycott)

Texas (Texas, duh)

Florida State (Florida)
Miami

Pitt
BC (East Coast/traditional)


OOC rotation:

Alabama
LSU
Georgia

Arizona State

Oklahoma

North Carolina
Clemson

Temple
Syracuse

Army

Hawaii

Random

I would have thought you'd prefer Georgia Tech over Georgia?

And with Notre Dame's emphasis on playing in Catholic regions, I'd occasionally add UTEP, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Fresno.

(05-15-2017 05:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:56 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:45 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:34 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  An interesting question would be, under the hypothetical of course, if Notre Dame had the power to create a new conference and bring along any members it could, who would they look to ask?

Boston College
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Michigan State
Navy (Football-Only)
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Stanford
Texas
USC

For all sports but football and hockey?

The question pre-supposes that ND wants its football program in ANY conference, even one of its own choosing, if possible.

That is the last thing ND wants.

It would be for football, Terry. I know Notre Dame does not want to be in a conference, and am firmly in the camp that ND will not be in a conference for the foreseeable future. My only hypothetical was that - if Notre Dame had the power to create a new football conference - who would they want to bring along to join them. They would clearly want a national conference (not based in any region), with other power members and locations their alumni can travel nationally for.

Part of the desire, on ND's part, for independence is freedom in scheduling. What if they controlled that aspect by being in control who was in the conference? I was just curious who they would be interested in by aligning with them, that's all.

Understood. I'll play nice. Here is mine.

Ten schools, including ND. Seven conference games, five OOC games:


Southern Cal (California)
Stanford

Navy (traditional, owe them)

Michigan State (for ignoring Michigan's boycott)

Texas (Texas, duh)

Florida State (Florida)
Miami

Pitt
BC (East Coast/traditional)


OOC rotation:

Alabama
LSU
Georgia

Arizona State

Oklahoma

North Carolina
Clemson

Temple
Syracuse

Army

Hawaii

Random

I would have thought you'd prefer Georgia Tech over Georgia?

Either/or

And with Notre Dame's emphasis on playing in Catholic regions, I'd occasionally add UTEP, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Fresno.

I already listed Syracuse.

As for the others, I don't think so. I like UTEP because I went to the 2010 Sun Bowl and had a great time, but I don't think ND will play them.

I don't see the value in playing Fresno and Rutgers is in the Big Ten, so they are out. :)

I only make an exception for Michigan State because they defied Michigan's blackball edict and scheduled ND.

As for Catholic areas, ND has a strong relationship with San Antonio.

It has played two "Shamrock Series" football games there (2009 and 2016) and hosts a week long "Irish Classic" baseball tournament every year in Double AA Nelson Wolff Stadium.

So...instead of UTEP, lets make it UTSA. Nah, that will not happen, either.

I could see nd fill out a schedule like this post joining the acc full time.

8 acc games
2 army and navy 3 for 1 with nd
USC h/a
X h/a

Notre Dame AD squashes rumors of football joining ACC as full-time member

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/co...story.html

Next topic ?

By standard CSNBBS Realignment Board logic, this means they are 100% definitely joining by 2019!

(05-16-2017 04:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  By standard CSNBBS Realignment Board logic, this means they are 100% definitely joining by 2019!

First rule of this board: Wacky speculation is never over 'til we say it's over!

(05-15-2017 11:27 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I doubt Cincinnati would get a push from Louisville or Pitt. They are very happy having the recruiting advantage over the Bearcats due to conference affiliation/P5 vs. G5.

IMHO UC's only chance of getting promoted will be as a backfill from a depleted Big 12, but that conference is not likely to be considered a power conference after Texas and Oklahoma bolt.

If there was a need for another ACC team, and Louisville was asked who they would want (granted as a new member not likely, but if asked), the answer would almost assuredly be Cincinnati first, and probably West Virginia second. Louisville and Cincinnati (and to a lesser extent Memphis) have sort of traveled the country as brothers in conference over the last half century, save for a four year spat known as the Great Midwest conference, and the every-man for himself scenario where Cincinnati was left behind. As the (second) closest major football program to Louisville, having games you can easily travel to is good for all.

I'd assume WVU second, because despite our history, they are also close, makes for good TV (their fans also bring in a lot of money because they will travel), and of other available options, likely the most profitable to the conference. I also don;t think they would oppose UConn or any other former Big East team that would come into play, but I'd bet money they would campaign for Cincinnati.

(05-15-2017 05:29 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:56 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:45 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  For all sports but football and hockey?

The question pre-supposes that ND wants its football program in ANY conference, even one of its own choosing, if possible.

That is the last thing ND wants.

It would be for football, Terry. I know Notre Dame does not want to be in a conference, and am firmly in the camp that ND will not be in a conference for the foreseeable future. My only hypothetical was that - if Notre Dame had the power to create a new football conference - who would they want to bring along to join them. They would clearly want a national conference (not based in any region), with other power members and locations their alumni can travel nationally for.

Part of the desire, on ND's part, for independence is freedom in scheduling. What if they controlled that aspect by being in control who was in the conference? I was just curious who they would be interested in by aligning with them, that's all.

Understood. I'll play nice. Here is mine.

Ten schools, including ND. Seven conference games, five OOC games:


Southern Cal (California)
Stanford

Navy (traditional, owe them)

Michigan State (for ignoring Michigan's boycott)

Texas (Texas, duh)

Florida State (Florida)
Miami

Pitt
BC (East Coast/traditional)


OOC rotation:

Alabama
LSU
Georgia

Arizona State

Oklahoma

North Carolina
Clemson

Temple
Syracuse

Army

Hawaii

Random

I would have thought you'd prefer Georgia Tech over Georgia?

Either/or

And with Notre Dame's emphasis on playing in Catholic regions, I'd occasionally add UTEP, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Fresno.

I already listed Syracuse.

As for the others, I don't think so. I like UTEP because I went to the 2010 Sun Bowl and had a great time, but I don't think ND will play them.

I don't see the value in playing Fresno and Rutgers is in the Big Ten, so they are out. :)

I only make an exception for Michigan State because they defied Michigan's blackball edict and scheduled ND.

As for Catholic areas, ND has a strong relationship with San Antonio.

It has played two "Shamrock Series" football games there (2009 and 2016) and hosts a week long "Irish Classic" baseball tournament every year in Double AA Nelson Wolff Stadium.

So...instead of UTEP, lets make it UTSA. Nah, that will not happen, either.

We actually haven't played you guys that much.