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I believe Ms. Huge's hires for soccer and volleyball were excellent. Working for funding the multi-sport practice center in accordance with the For the Bold plan would be a great next step. So far her leadership has been excellent.

I'd love to join the A-10 with football remaining in the CAA. That would require a significant expansion of funding for basketball. As has been mentioned here many times that increase in bb funding would have the highest ROI of any sport in raising the profile of W&M.

It is my belief that Ms Huge would concur after the comments she has publicly made about Ollie's shot leading Sport Center over Auburn upsetting Alabama the same day and the recognition which it brought to the College .

Here's hoping that there is a way forward in which she can lead us in accomplishing this. Much like this year's mbb performance to date I believe she can lead us on a surprise to the upside.

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I think this is fun to discuss, but not realistic. We have been consistent winners in basketball the last 8 years or so. But no trips to the tournament. All these bigger conferences care about is ncaa tourney share money. Multiple bids for their conference. If you go to the tourney consistently, the A10 would come calling among others.
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Would love nothing more than to de-emphasize (or cut) football and go all in on basketball. If we did this, there's no reason we couldn't be a competitive A-10 program assuming WM is supportive of basketball as an institution. It would be an outstanding and best possible move for the school as a whole, bringing us a lot of new publicity and attention without sacrificing academics or our integrity.

I also recognize reality and the fact that there is zero chance this happens. Short of putting basketball over football, we would not consistently compete in the A-10.
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(01-31-2018 07:23 PM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  Would love nothing more than to de-emphasize (or cut) football and go all in on basketball. If we did this, there's no reason we couldn't be a competitive A-10 program assuming WM is supportive of basketball as an institution. It would be an outstanding and best possible move for the school as a whole, bringing us a lot of new publicity and attention without sacrificing academics or our integrity.

I also recognize reality and the fact that there is zero chance this happens. Short of putting basketball over football, we would not consistently compete in the A-10.

Please stop. This is nonsense.

Why do people think that giving up football suddenly turns you into a basketball powerhouse? Why would you even consider risking that?
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(01-31-2018 11:59 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Returning to a consistent home and home basketball schedule of UR, VCU, GMU, along with Davidson and GW, just outweighs any reasons to remain in the CAA for other sports, outside of football.

Ugh - not this topic again!

1. Home-and-home with geographic rivals who deserted us and who don't care about W&M at all certainly does NOT outweigh the reasons to stay in the CAA.

2. CAA is stronger in every sport that I can think of, other than basketball. So our other top quality teams like soccer, baseball, tennis would be taking a downgrade to join the A-10.

3. We haven't even won a basketball title in the CAA so what makes anyone think that we would be competitive in the A-10 where basketball is THE ONLY sport that those schools care about.

4. Does anyone really think that it is a good thing for the volleyball team to travel to St. Louis for a league game or for the baseball team to travel to St. Bonaventure for a league game?

Too much delusions of grandeur for basketball at the expense of the travel budgets for all the other sports.
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(01-31-2018 08:53 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 07:23 PM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  Would love nothing more than to de-emphasize (or cut) football and go all in on basketball. If we did this, there's no reason we couldn't be a competitive A-10 program assuming WM is supportive of basketball as an institution. It would be an outstanding and best possible move for the school as a whole, bringing us a lot of new publicity and attention without sacrificing academics or our integrity.

I also recognize reality and the fact that there is zero chance this happens. Short of putting basketball over football, we would not consistently compete in the A-10.

Please stop. This is nonsense.

Why do people think that giving up football suddenly turns you into a basketball powerhouse? Why would you even consider risking that?

It certainly wouldn't automatically. Didn't say we'd be a powerhouse, but that if we did things right and funded at the appropriate level we could be a competent A-10 program that can make the tourney every number of years.

When you say "risking that" - I believe the football program in this day and age at this level gives us less as a school than a solid basketball program would, both from a national visibility perspective, giving students and alumni something more to root for, and inspiring loyalty to and passion for WM. I don't think we lose a ton in today's world by de-emphasizing football - the vast majority of younger alumni (who weren't around decades ago for the days we were competitive on a more national level) care little about the football program, but the basketball program has potential to be competitive on a truly national level if done right (while the football program will always be minor league at best).

That's just me, and certainly others would disagree. I probably would feel differently if I had experienced the years where we competed with UVA and Tech and now power 5 schools. But those days are gone and aren't coming back. In basketball, they can.
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Where has there been any discussion about LaSalle leaving the A10? And why would the conference feel any need to replace them?
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(01-31-2018 10:47 PM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 08:53 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 07:23 PM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  Would love nothing more than to de-emphasize (or cut) football and go all in on basketball. If we did this, there's no reason we couldn't be a competitive A-10 program assuming WM is supportive of basketball as an institution. It would be an outstanding and best possible move for the school as a whole, bringing us a lot of new publicity and attention without sacrificing academics or our integrity.

I also recognize reality and the fact that there is zero chance this happens. Short of putting basketball over football, we would not consistently compete in the A-10.

Please stop. This is nonsense.

Why do people think that giving up football suddenly turns you into a basketball powerhouse? Why would you even consider risking that?

It certainly wouldn't automatically. Didn't say we'd be a powerhouse, but that if we did things right and funded at the appropriate level we could be a competent A-10 program that can make the tourney every number of years.

When you say "risking that" - I believe the football program in this day and age at this level gives us less as a school than a solid basketball program would, both from a national visibility perspective, giving students and alumni something more to root for, and inspiring loyalty to and passion for WM. I don't think we lose a ton in today's world by de-emphasizing football - the vast majority of younger alumni (who weren't around decades ago for the days we were competitive on a more national level) care little about the football program, but the basketball program has potential to be competitive on a truly national level if done right (while the football program will always be minor league at best).

That's just me, and certainly others would disagree. I probably would feel differently if I had experienced the years where we competed with UVA and Tech and now power 5 schools. But those days are gone and aren't coming back. In basketball, they can.

Sorry to snap at your first response. I lived through a similar angle discussed in the 70s. The discussion then was - drop football and we could become a "Georgetown". It was a horrible trade off then and remains so now.

I still don't see the logic in how dropping the most popular sport at the College to the benefit of basketball, particularly if the upside is an almost sidestep to the A10, a league that is full of basketball only schools, none that I would think W&M would want to inspire to be.

Football brings thousands to campus On Fall weekends. We have a rich tradition. We have some of the best facilities in FCS. You just don't throw that away. It was decades in the building.

Basketball has prospered in the new CAA, much of that from just getting some sunshine in the new CAA and away from the VCUs and GMUs of the world.

We are in a good spot. Unless we are talking the ACC, there's no better option out there than the CAA.
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(02-01-2018 07:44 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  We are in a good spot. Unless we are talking the ACC, there's no better option out there than the CAA.

I agree here. The overall CAA is almost custom tailored to William and Mary. High level FCS football, an upper tier mid-major basketball conference. Very competitive nationally in most other sports. Geographically solid to keep budgets in the black.
I think the aim, rather than looking for greener pastures, would be to elevate the conference back to a consistent multi-bid basketball conference. Personally, I don't think the A10 is lightyears ahead of the CAA and in many sports it is worse. Rivaling that level in basketball isn't an unsurmountable goal. It seems like each conference school is raising their budget, getting better recruits, & building/planning new facilities. I like where we are at and what we can accomplish in the CAA. I wish nationally the CAA was given more love with tournament seeding and selection, but there is a fix for that. Keep winning in OoC - something the CAA schools have been doing more and more of. People point to the ODU/GMU/VCU era as the golden age of CAA hoops. It was fun. But, IMO, the league is much stronger now and healthier top to bottom.
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(01-31-2018 09:03 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 11:59 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Returning to a consistent home and home basketball schedule of UR, VCU, GMU, along with Davidson and GW, just outweighs any reasons to remain in the CAA for other sports, outside of football.

Ugh - not this topic again!

1. Home-and-home with geographic rivals who deserted us and who don't care about W&M at all certainly does NOT outweigh the reasons to stay in the CAA.

2. CAA is stronger in every sport that I can think of, other than basketball. So our other top quality teams like soccer, baseball, tennis would be taking a downgrade to join the A-10.

3. We haven't even won a basketball title in the CAA so what makes anyone think that we would be competitive in the A-10 where basketball is THE ONLY sport that those schools care about.

4. Does anyone really think that it is a good thing for the volleyball team to travel to St. Louis for a league game or for the baseball team to travel to St. Bonaventure for a league game?

Too much delusions of grandeur for basketball at the expense of the travel budgets for all the other sports.

you have many good points here but your argument about the travel is not one of them. Not much difference traveling to NE, Hofstra or CoC.
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(02-01-2018 08:33 AM)wmmii Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 09:03 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 11:59 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Returning to a consistent home and home basketball schedule of UR, VCU, GMU, along with Davidson and GW, just outweighs any reasons to remain in the CAA for other sports, outside of football.

Ugh - not this topic again!

1. Home-and-home with geographic rivals who deserted us and who don't care about W&M at all certainly does NOT outweigh the reasons to stay in the CAA.

2. CAA is stronger in every sport that I can think of, other than basketball. So our other top quality teams like soccer, baseball, tennis would be taking a downgrade to join the A-10.

3. We haven't even won a basketball title in the CAA so what makes anyone think that we would be competitive in the A-10 where basketball is THE ONLY sport that those schools care about.

4. Does anyone really think that it is a good thing for the volleyball team to travel to St. Louis for a league game or for the baseball team to travel to St. Bonaventure for a league game?

Too much delusions of grandeur for basketball at the expense of the travel budgets for all the other sports.

you have many good points here but your argument about the travel is not one of them. Not much difference traveling to NE, Hofstra or CoC.
Yeah I crunched the numbers and even including SLU, there is only about 30 miles distance between the average CAA and A10 school.

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(02-01-2018 08:36 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 08:33 AM)wmmii Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 09:03 PM)Zorch Wrote:  4. Does anyone really think that it is a good thing for the volleyball team to travel to St. Louis for a league game or for the baseball team to travel to St. Bonaventure for a league game?

you have many good points here but your argument about the travel is not one of them. Not much difference traveling to NE, Hofstra or CoC.

Yeah I crunched the numbers and even including SLU, there is only about 30 miles distance between the average CAA and A10 school.

Ah, when I read wmii's response I thought "okay, crunch the numbers", so if Zablenoise has already done that then I would like to see the numbers if it is not too much trouble. I will say this right up front: I'm not sure that computing an AVERAGE distance is the proper way to do it. After all, the A-10 has 14 schools (as an aside, would we even want to be in a conference where they can't even count correctly?) so even if the average distance is about the same, the total distance for away games would be higher because there are 4 more away games every season.

The outliers in the A-10 (those furthest away; Saint Louis and St. Bonaventure (Buffalo NY area) and maybe even Dayton Ohio) are a lot further away than the furthest one in the CAA (NE) (and Rhode Island and UMass are just as far as NE). So I think a few of those close schools like VCU, UR, and GMU skew the average of the A-10 to be just as close as the average of the CAA but the outliers of the A-10 make those some brutal road trips. Also, it is not just distance/travel costs but it is also the time spent away from class/campus of our student-athletes that matters (not just $$).
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(02-01-2018 09:30 AM)Zorch Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 08:36 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 08:33 AM)wmmii Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 09:03 PM)Zorch Wrote:  4. Does anyone really think that it is a good thing for the volleyball team to travel to St. Louis for a league game or for the baseball team to travel to St. Bonaventure for a league game?

you have many good points here but your argument about the travel is not one of them. Not much difference traveling to NE, Hofstra or CoC.

Yeah I crunched the numbers and even including SLU, there is only about 30 miles distance between the average CAA and A10 school.

Ah, when I read wmii's response I thought "okay, crunch the numbers", so if Zablenoise has already done that then I would like to see the numbers if it is not too much trouble. I will say this right up front: I'm not sure that computing an AVERAGE distance is the proper way to do it. After all, the A-10 has 14 schools (as an aside, would we even want to be in a conference where they can't even count correctly?) so even if the average distance is about the same, the total distance for away games would be higher because there are 4 more away games every season.

The outliers in the A-10 (those furthest away; Saint Louis and St. Bonaventure (Buffalo NY area) and maybe even Dayton Ohio) are a lot further away than the furthest one in the CAA (NE) (and Rhode Island and UMass are just as far as NE). So I think a few of those close schools like VCU, UR, and GMU skew the average of the A-10 to be just as close as the average of the CAA but the outliers of the A-10 make those some brutal road trips. Also, it is not just distance/travel costs but it is also the time spent away from class/campus of our student-athletes that matters (not just $$).

St Bonny/Dayton are both only 8 hours away.
SLU is the outlier at 12 hours.
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A10 does not play a complete home and home for basketball. They have an 18 game rotating slate, so, the same nine away games as the CAA.

Lasalle's discussion was from their message board, as well as, other's.

The CAA is doing just fine, and will get better, IF the make-up stays intact. That will change if JMU jumps to FBS, and Delaware later follows. If an A10 opening comes up, I would imagine UNCW or CofC jump, if given the invite. All of that changes things again for the CAA. I'm not as confident about the current CAA leadership, as the past. Core A10 programs, UR, VCU, GMU, Davidson, are not going anywhere. Tribe football is here to stay and will have/find a home in the CAA, or elsewhere, regardless.

The question becomes, IF we catch lightning in a bottle with an NCAA appearance and continued rise of the basketball program, AND an A10 slot opened, will we be prepared to pursue that destiny, or do nothing. And, yes, that does mean a decision by the administration to invest much more in the basketball program. That is a realistic possibility in the next few years.

The A10 headquarters is in Newport News.

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If CofC and UNCW are talked about for possible A-10 membership, then why not NE? Or even Hofstra?
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Our objective should be to fund basketball at the same level as those 4 basketball only schools do.

Do that and this conversation has relevance. Until then, we need to focus internally.
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It's more than about distance. Northeastern and St. Bonny might be similar miles wise, but Boston is leagues easier to get to than rural upstate New York.
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La Salle is not leaving the A10. Pure conjecture.
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(02-01-2018 11:35 AM)WM Beancounter Wrote:  La Salle is not leaving the A10. Pure conjecture.
This is a college sports message board. Conjecture is what we do. Go check the "newest conference rumors" thread on the JMU board. I think it is up to 20,000 posts.
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This is pointless in my opinion because of two things.

1) Lasalle is not going anywhere
2) Even if they did, the A-10 would never want us

BUT...if by some miracle a spot opened up and was offered to us, we would be INSANE not to take it.

1) Home and homes with Richmond/Mason/GW/VCU/Davidson
2) Much higher profile (national TV exposure/conference tourney in DC)
3) Actual chance to earn an at large bid in a multi bid league
4) Probably have more in common academically with mostly private schools as compared to schools like Delaware/JMU/UNCW/Towson
5) CAA could be blown up by JMU or others leaving at any time
6) Leave W&M in CAA for football just like Richmond

Guessing the opening/offer never happens, but think Huge is smart enough to grab it if offered
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