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RE: According to FBS Bowl Schedule to be Announced at 2pm
(05-11-2017 12:15 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
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(05-10-2017 09:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yeah, its pretty bad. Every other year the AAC line up sucks because the ACC doesn't appear in St Pete---plus we also have some gaps in our Ft Worth/Heart of Dallas ties.

That's why Ive said the next cycle may not be a huge improvement in terms of getting any "big" bowl---but there can still be some pretty decent incremental improvement if the AAC can land full ties to Ft Worth and/or the Heart of Dallas. Plus more improvement is available if St Pete can get the ACC to go with a full tie rather than their current every-other-year appearance.

I mean---if everything fell the AAC's way--the AAC could end up with 4 bowls vs P5 opponents every year (5 any year they get the access bowl). Granted, they would all be lower level bowls (other than the access bowl)---but that's still a nice incremental improvement as P5 games always seem to be a little more fun for the fans.

This year we have 5 games that are G5 vs. P5
Las Vegas: MWC vs. P12
Birmingham: SEC vs. AAC
Armed Forces: Army vs. B1G
Dallas: CUSA vs. B12
Military: AAC vs. ACC

Most make a lot of sense for the P5 involved. Pac-12 loves 'em some Vegas. SEC is headquartered in Birmingham, Big XII is headquartered in Irving. Military is about a geographic centric as you can get for AAC. Armed Forces scratches the B1G itch to play in Texas.
While not this year St. Pete makes sense of ACC.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Las Vegas and the new stadium. There have been some comments about wanting to make it a bigger event, if there is more money thrown into it the game could go all P5 but that would also cause some tension locally.

I think the P5 like playing other P5 in bowl games but really which P5 wants to send someone far down the food chain to play SEC in Birmingham or Big XII in Dallas? Those last few harder to sell bowls are what G5 can pick off.

As far as this P5 vs P5 bowl stuff...
-Indiana played Utah in San Francisco last year in a bowl in front of maybe 10,000.
-Another P5 vs P5 in the Independence Bowl had less actual fans probably...
-The fans love seeing a Boise play an Oklahoma--it doesn't have to be the national championship. Good tv ratings and attendance in all those big Boise games
-Florida St vs Houston did very well in both tv and attendance
-Army, Navy and Air Force always bring a crowd even if the opponent is a sun belt or a CUSA opponent. Air Force drew 30k vs a sun belt team in the Arizona Bowl. Army and North Texas did well.
- The Nola Bowl with a SB vs CUSA match up always brings a good crowd
Even one of the lowest pay out Bowls The New Mexico Bowl draws 30,000
My point is the fans don't care about P5 vs P5 in bowls. They want a good match up if they are going to travel to it. These bowls are missing logical match ups with this P5 vs P5 matchups.

Worth noting though that New Mexico and NOLA bowls tend to have at least one team that is fairly regional and both are played on a Saturday.
Last year the NOLA participants had drives of 2 hours 10 minutes and 1 hour 45 minutes. While the New Mexico Bowl had a team driving 11 hours and one setting up in their usual tailgate spots because it was their home stadium.
The I-Bowl kicked off at 4pm local time on the day after Christmas which was a Monday. One team was from 8 1/2 hours away and the other 15 hours away. Getting momma to agree to spend Christmas Day in Shreveport is a conversation most folks aren't even going to start.
Foster Farms Bowl was at 4:40 pm local time on a Wednesday featuring one team 15 hours away and one 35 hours away.
Vandy traveling to Shreveport was the only one with a shorter trip than UTSA's trip to New Mexico.

Date and geography matter. BUT Foster Farms drew nearly the same number of viewers as New Mexico and NOLA combined. Now both New Mexico and NOLA drew a larger audience than the I-Bowl but the game started at 5pm eastern on a Monday and it was on ESPN2 instead of ESPN and the start overlapped the crazy rally Maryland had against BC.
Thanks for that info. One point. You mentioned tv ratings for those games and differences in time slots. Valid points, but if I'm looking at this right The Las Vegas Bowl and New Mexico Bowl were played at the same time and it's a double whammy because the Las Vegas Bowl got great ratings and it featured two G5 teams: Houston vs San Diego St.
My point is there's some good P5 G5 matchups that could have been big. For example: swap Utah for UTSA in the New Mexico Bowl vs UNM and it probably gets 40k and not the measly 10k the Utah Indiana matchup got in the San Francisco Bowl. Swap San Diego St in the San Francisco Bowl vs Indiana and it sells out too. Common sense ideas.
The conference tie system results in some messes. Sometimes it can be worked out, like the time NOLA released UTEP to go to New Mexico.
New Mexico kicked 1:40 before Las Vegas but Las Vegas. Telecasts were ABC and ESPN.
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RE: According to FBS Bowl Schedule to be Announced at 2pm
(05-11-2017 12:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 12:15 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-10-2017 11:19 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-10-2017 10:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-10-2017 10:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  This year we have 5 games that are G5 vs. P5
Las Vegas: MWC vs. P12
Birmingham: SEC vs. AAC
Armed Forces: Army vs. B1G
Dallas: CUSA vs. B12
Military: AAC vs. ACC

Most make a lot of sense for the P5 involved. Pac-12 loves 'em some Vegas. SEC is headquartered in Birmingham, Big XII is headquartered in Irving. Military is about a geographic centric as you can get for AAC. Armed Forces scratches the B1G itch to play in Texas.
While not this year St. Pete makes sense of ACC.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Las Vegas and the new stadium. There have been some comments about wanting to make it a bigger event, if there is more money thrown into it the game could go all P5 but that would also cause some tension locally.

I think the P5 like playing other P5 in bowl games but really which P5 wants to send someone far down the food chain to play SEC in Birmingham or Big XII in Dallas? Those last few harder to sell bowls are what G5 can pick off.

As far as this P5 vs P5 bowl stuff...
-Indiana played Utah in San Francisco last year in a bowl in front of maybe 10,000.
-Another P5 vs P5 in the Independence Bowl had less actual fans probably...
-The fans love seeing a Boise play an Oklahoma--it doesn't have to be the national championship. Good tv ratings and attendance in all those big Boise games
-Florida St vs Houston did very well in both tv and attendance
-Army, Navy and Air Force always bring a crowd even if the opponent is a sun belt or a CUSA opponent. Air Force drew 30k vs a sun belt team in the Arizona Bowl. Army and North Texas did well.
- The Nola Bowl with a SB vs CUSA match up always brings a good crowd
Even one of the lowest pay out Bowls The New Mexico Bowl draws 30,000
My point is the fans don't care about P5 vs P5 in bowls. They want a good match up if they are going to travel to it. These bowls are missing logical match ups with this P5 vs P5 matchups.

Worth noting though that New Mexico and NOLA bowls tend to have at least one team that is fairly regional and both are played on a Saturday.
Last year the NOLA participants had drives of 2 hours 10 minutes and 1 hour 45 minutes. While the New Mexico Bowl had a team driving 11 hours and one setting up in their usual tailgate spots because it was their home stadium.
The I-Bowl kicked off at 4pm local time on the day after Christmas which was a Monday. One team was from 8 1/2 hours away and the other 15 hours away. Getting momma to agree to spend Christmas Day in Shreveport is a conversation most folks aren't even going to start.
Foster Farms Bowl was at 4:40 pm local time on a Wednesday featuring one team 15 hours away and one 35 hours away.
Vandy traveling to Shreveport was the only one with a shorter trip than UTSA's trip to New Mexico.

Date and geography matter. BUT Foster Farms drew nearly the same number of viewers as New Mexico and NOLA combined. Now both New Mexico and NOLA drew a larger audience than the I-Bowl but the game started at 5pm eastern on a Monday and it was on ESPN2 instead of ESPN and the start overlapped the crazy rally Maryland had against BC.
Thanks for that info. One point. You mentioned tv ratings for those games and differences in time slots. Valid points, but if I'm looking at this right The Las Vegas Bowl and New Mexico Bowl were played at the same time and it's a double whammy because the Las Vegas Bowl got great ratings and it featured two G5 teams: Houston vs San Diego St.
My point is there's some good P5 G5 matchups that could have been big. For example: swap Utah for UTSA in the New Mexico Bowl vs UNM and it probably gets 40k and not the measly 10k the Utah Indiana matchup got in the San Francisco Bowl. Swap San Diego St in the San Francisco Bowl vs Indiana and it sells out too. Common sense ideas.
The conference tie system results in some messes. Sometimes it can be worked out, like the time NOLA released UTEP to go to New Mexico.
New Mexico kicked 1:40 before Las Vegas but Las Vegas. Telecasts were ABC and ESPN.

All the G5 vs P5 access bowls have done well. There has also been some pretty decent ratings in games where there were no P5's present at all (Houston vs SDSU for instance). Hopefully, TV is starting to see that the best performing G5's of the year actually appear to be able to draw some solid post season interest from casual fans. Hopefully, there will be some support for moving the G5 champs into games vs some higher quality P5's to create a few additional "Cinderella" match ups that have the potential to be quite popular. At the very least---you'd think there would be some decent money placed on the table to create some G5 champ vs G5 champ matchups. Like I said---the SDSU vs Houston game did quite well and Houston wasn't even the AAC champ.

Bottom line---it comes down to something Ive been preaching for a while. The G5 conferences were on the right track when they worked together to create more bowls. My gripe has always been that they missed the mark in deciding what type of bowls to create.

There were already more than enough low end games for 6-6 teams. What the G5 was really missing was a few mid-to-high end bowls to serve as the post season "showcase games" for the G5 champs not heading to the access bowl. Maybe the recent popularity of some of these G5 bowls games might get some of the less successful mid-tier bowls to take a look at that David vs Goliath formula.
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(05-10-2017 07:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  For the American have 5 of it's 6 Bowl ties ins before Christmas and against G5 opponents, 4 of those vs C-USA and the SBC, seems to be slightly less than you'd expect from a "power" conference.

Saturday, Dec. 16, 2017
AutoNation Cure Bowl American vs. Sun Belt Camping World Stadium Orlando, FL 2:30pm ET / CBSSN ---

Tuesday, Dec. 19, 2017
Boca Raton Bowl American vs. C-USA FAU Stadium Boca Raton, FL 7:00pm ET / ESPN ---

Thursday, Dec. 21, 2017
St. Petersburg Bowl American vs. C-USA Tropicana Field St. Petersburg, FL 8:00pm ET / ESPN ---

Dates TBA (expect Dec. 18-24)
Frisco Bowl American vs. Sun Belt Toyota Stadium Frisco, TX TBA / ESPN ---

Sunday, Dec. 24, 2017
Hawai'i Bowl American vs. MWC Aloha Stadium Honolulu, HI 8:30pm ET / ESPN ---

Thursday, Dec. 28, 2017
Military Bowl American vs. ACC/ND Navy-Marine Corps. Stadium Annapolis, MD 1:30pm ET / ESPN ---

^^^This bowl line up sucks!!! Please someone tell me there's a Bowl missing?!?!

Birmingham bowl vs. SEC
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RE: According to FBS Bowl Schedule to be Announced at 2pm
Corrected with Birmingham Bowl

Saturday, Dec. 16, 2017
AutoNation Cure Bowl American vs. Sun Belt Camping World Stadium Orlando, FL 2:30pm ET / CBSSN ---

Tuesday, Dec. 19, 2017
Boca Raton Bowl American vs. C-USA FAU Stadium Boca Raton, FL 7:00pm ET / ESPN ---

Dates TBA (expect Wednesday Dec. 20)
Frisco Bowl American vs. Sun Belt Toyota Stadium Frisco, TX TBA / ESPN ---

Thursday, Dec. 21, 2017
St. Petersburg Bowl American vs. C-USA Tropicana Field St. Petersburg, FL 8:00pm ET / ESPN ---

Saturday, Dec. 23, 2017
Birmingham Bowl SEC vs. American Legion Field Birmingham, AL Noon ET / ESPN ---

Sunday, Dec. 24, 2017
Hawai'i Bowl American vs. MWC Aloha Stadium Honolulu, HI 8:30pm ET / ESPN ---

Thursday, Dec. 28, 2017
Military Bowl American vs. ACC/ND Navy-Marine Corps. Stadium Annapolis, MD 1:30pm ET / ESPN ---
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RE: According to FBS Bowl Schedule to be Announced at 2pm
(05-11-2017 02:12 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(05-10-2017 09:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-10-2017 07:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  For the American have 5 of it's 6 Bowl ties ins before Christmas and against G5 opponents, 4 of those vs C-USA and the SBC, seems to be slightly less than you'd expect from a "power" conference.

Saturday, Dec. 16, 2017
AutoNation Cure Bowl American vs. Sun Belt Camping World Stadium Orlando, FL 2:30pm ET / CBSSN ---

Tuesday, Dec. 19, 2017
Boca Raton Bowl American vs. C-USA FAU Stadium Boca Raton, FL 7:00pm ET / ESPN ---

Thursday, Dec. 21, 2017
St. Petersburg Bowl American vs. C-USA Tropicana Field St. Petersburg, FL 8:00pm ET / ESPN ---

Dates TBA (expect Dec. 18-24)
Frisco Bowl American vs. Sun Belt Toyota Stadium Frisco, TX TBA / ESPN ---

Sunday, Dec. 24, 2017
Hawai'i Bowl American vs. MWC Aloha Stadium Honolulu, HI 8:30pm ET / ESPN ---

Thursday, Dec. 28, 2017
Military Bowl American vs. ACC/ND Navy-Marine Corps. Stadium Annapolis, MD 1:30pm ET / ESPN ---

^^^This bowl line up sucks!!! Please someone tell me there's a Bowl missing?!?!

Birmingham bowl vs. SEC

That's a bowl the SEC won't fill.....especially playing before Christmas.
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If they don't fill the Birmingham bowl that means they also don't fill the Independence as B'ham picks first. If they don't, then the ACC has the backup. However, as the SEC has sent a team every year and the conference HQ is located there, it's more likely than not they fill it regardless of date IMO.
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RE: According to FBS Bowl Schedule to be Announced at 2pm
(05-11-2017 07:07 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 02:12 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(05-10-2017 09:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-10-2017 07:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  For the American have 5 of it's 6 Bowl ties ins before Christmas and against G5 opponents, 4 of those vs C-USA and the SBC, seems to be slightly less than you'd expect from a "power" conference.

Saturday, Dec. 16, 2017
AutoNation Cure Bowl American vs. Sun Belt Camping World Stadium Orlando, FL 2:30pm ET / CBSSN ---

Tuesday, Dec. 19, 2017
Boca Raton Bowl American vs. C-USA FAU Stadium Boca Raton, FL 7:00pm ET / ESPN ---

Thursday, Dec. 21, 2017
St. Petersburg Bowl American vs. C-USA Tropicana Field St. Petersburg, FL 8:00pm ET / ESPN ---

Dates TBA (expect Dec. 18-24)
Frisco Bowl American vs. Sun Belt Toyota Stadium Frisco, TX TBA / ESPN ---

Sunday, Dec. 24, 2017
Hawai'i Bowl American vs. MWC Aloha Stadium Honolulu, HI 8:30pm ET / ESPN ---

Thursday, Dec. 28, 2017
Military Bowl American vs. ACC/ND Navy-Marine Corps. Stadium Annapolis, MD 1:30pm ET / ESPN ---

^^^This bowl line up sucks!!! Please someone tell me there's a Bowl missing?!?!

Birmingham bowl vs. SEC

That's a bowl the SEC won't fill.....especially playing before Christmas.

And yet they do every year (unlike the Pac12 in Vegas). 04-jawdrop
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RE: According to FBS Bowl Schedule to be Announced at 2pm
Number of Bowls by Conference:

ACC 11
SEC 10
B1G 9
AAC 7
SBC 6
B12 6
CUSA 6
PAC 6
MWC 5
MAC 4

-SBC has 6 bowl tie-ins for 10 schools. That's the same as the B12.

-PAC has 6 bowl tie-ins for 12 schools. Even worse ratio than SBC.

-MAC with only 4 bowls this year after having 5 guaranteed each year for this bowl cycle. Does this mean the MAC champ either plays in a CFP bowl OR against a P5 in one of those bowl games they don't qualify enough teams for?

If the P5 wants to just play itself in bowls the G5 champs may get those opportunities to play a P5 in a bowl afterall, IMO.

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(05-11-2017 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 07:07 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 02:12 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(05-10-2017 09:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-10-2017 07:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  For the American have 5 of it's 6 Bowl ties ins before Christmas and against G5 opponents, 4 of those vs C-USA and the SBC, seems to be slightly less than you'd expect from a "power" conference.

Saturday, Dec. 16, 2017
AutoNation Cure Bowl American vs. Sun Belt Camping World Stadium Orlando, FL 2:30pm ET / CBSSN ---

Tuesday, Dec. 19, 2017
Boca Raton Bowl American vs. C-USA FAU Stadium Boca Raton, FL 7:00pm ET / ESPN ---

Thursday, Dec. 21, 2017
St. Petersburg Bowl American vs. C-USA Tropicana Field St. Petersburg, FL 8:00pm ET / ESPN ---

Dates TBA (expect Dec. 18-24)
Frisco Bowl American vs. Sun Belt Toyota Stadium Frisco, TX TBA / ESPN ---

Sunday, Dec. 24, 2017
Hawai'i Bowl American vs. MWC Aloha Stadium Honolulu, HI 8:30pm ET / ESPN ---

Thursday, Dec. 28, 2017
Military Bowl American vs. ACC/ND Navy-Marine Corps. Stadium Annapolis, MD 1:30pm ET / ESPN ---

^^^This bowl line up sucks!!! Please someone tell me there's a Bowl missing?!?!

Birmingham bowl vs. SEC

That's a bowl the SEC won't fill.....especially playing before Christmas.

And yet they do every year (unlike the Pac12 in Vegas). 04-jawdrop

Or the Big 12 for the Cactus
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