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RE: Fort Wayne or IUPUI to Horizon?
(05-09-2017 11:30 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 11:06 AM)insomniaisevil Wrote:  The Horizon is currently based around 5 sets of travel partners. That's part of why Fort Wayne makes sense to replace Valpo, as they could still be a travel partner with UIC.

That's also why, if you take Omaha, I'd assume that maybe you go with UMKC as well, as they could work as a travel pair as well.

That might be a route to 12, though I'm not sure if the combo of Fort Wayne, UMKC and Omaha really help the conference or not.

Currently:

Detroit/Oakland
Wright State/NKU
Youngstown State/Cleveland State
Detroit/Oakland
UIC/???

IUPUI is in Indianapolis, a bigger market than Ft. Wayne and more Chicago centric than Ft. Wayne.

Then it would be IUPUI, UNO and UMKC with IUPUI going as a travel partner for UIC.

Ask yourself something, what do any of those schools do to improve the Horizon League?

The HL wants to get bigger, but they want to get bigger and improve, not get worse. The three schools you mention all make the HL worse.
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RE: Fort Wayne or IUPUI to Horizon?
(05-09-2017 11:06 AM)insomniaisevil Wrote:  The Horizon is currently based around 5 sets of travel partners. That's part of why Fort Wayne makes sense to replace Valpo, as they could still be a travel partner with UIC.

That's also why, if you take Omaha, I'd assume that maybe you go with UMKC as well, as they could work as a travel pair as well.

That might be a route to 12, though I'm not sure if the combo of Fort Wayne, UMKC and Omaha really help the conference or not.

Currently:

Detroit/Oakland
Wright State/NKU
Youngstown State/Cleveland State
Detroit/Oakland
UIC/???


Detroit and Oakland are so good you listed them twice...

Milwaukee/Green Bay
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(05-09-2017 12:57 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 11:06 AM)insomniaisevil Wrote:  The Horizon is currently based around 5 sets of travel partners. That's part of why Fort Wayne makes sense to replace Valpo, as they could still be a travel partner with UIC.

That's also why, if you take Omaha, I'd assume that maybe you go with UMKC as well, as they could work as a travel pair as well.

That might be a route to 12, though I'm not sure if the combo of Fort Wayne, UMKC and Omaha really help the conference or not.

Currently:

Detroit/Oakland
Wright State/NKU
Youngstown State/Cleveland State
Detroit/Oakland
UIC/???


Detroit and Oakland are so good you listed them twice...

Milwaukee/Green Bay

Thanks for correcting my stupidity there. Sorry to all the Phoenix and Panthers fans.
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PUFW should be a lock for the HL. If they go 12 then IUPUI comes w/ them.

Looking at the Summit, UMKC should be 1, the other, what about NMSU,they have Denver above them and the Summit would have totally shifted to the great plains w/ only WIU sticking out in the east. N.Colorado is another, Other than that they'd have to look at D-II and hope St.Cloud St. would drop football and join or head back east and take S.Indiana or Bellarmine
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(05-09-2017 01:59 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  PUFW should be a lock for the HL. If they go 12 then IUPUI comes w/ them.

Looking at the Summit, UMKC should be 1, the other, what about NMSU,they have Denver above them and the Summit would have totally shifted to the great plains w/ only WIU sticking out in the east. N.Colorado is another, Other than that they'd have to look at D-II and hope St.Cloud St. would drop football and join or head back east and take S.Indiana or Bellarmine

UMKC isn't going back. Northern Colorado would be a good choice and the Summit could then be a FCS conference with 6 football schools.
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(05-09-2017 02:04 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 01:59 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  PUFW should be a lock for the HL. If they go 12 then IUPUI comes w/ them.

Looking at the Summit, UMKC should be 1, the other, what about NMSU,they have Denver above them and the Summit would have totally shifted to the great plains w/ only WIU sticking out in the east. N.Colorado is another, Other than that they'd have to look at D-II and hope St.Cloud St. would drop football and join or head back east and take S.Indiana or Bellarmine

UMKC isn't going back. Northern Colorado would be a good choice and the Summit could then be a FCS conference with 6 football schools.
you don't know if UMKC is going back or not. Don't state things as fact when it is your opinion.
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(05-09-2017 11:28 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
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(05-09-2017 10:43 AM)solohawks Wrote:  With Valpo now being the only candidate leaving officially I would guess the Horizon at minimum would expand by 1.

I am going to guess that Omaha will get that spot based on articles I have seen. The Horizon could go to 12 and completely gut the Summit take both IUPU's as well. UMKC may be in the mix if Horizon wants to go to 12. Horizon seems to be pushing themselves as big Midwestern markets so they have options.

Some of the Horizon thinking here may be that if they go to 12 and they do it right that it may be enough to prevent another MVC raid.

Horizon geography:

West: Green Bay, Milwaukee, Illinois-Chicago
East: Oakland, Detroit, YSU, Wright St, Cleveland St, NKU

The only way to push to 12 and two divisions would be to add 3 schools to the west.

IUPUI would have to go into the west division. I guess that would also apply Fort Wayne though I feel like its a market that orients toward Ohio/Michigan rather than looking west.

Then the 12th school comes down to UNO or UMKC. My choice would be UMKC because of cheaper flights in this case.

IF they want to go to 12 schools they would be better off going with Western Illinois over UMKC or Omaha. That is the backwards thinking of the Horizon League. They think that markets mean something when in reality they don't - at least not with UNO or UMKC. They should get to 12 by tightening their footprint not expanding it.

As a current KC resident (outside the city proper), I think if UMKC joined the right league and invested just a little bit more in the program, particularly in marketing, it could be a great pick up for any conference. In baseball, KC has the Royals, in football the Chiefs, and even Sporting KC has a good following. But since we don't have an NBA team, UMKC could become Kansas City's basketball team. Get in a conference with a couple natural rivals and I think people would have alot of fun at games.

"Kansas City's basketball team" is the University of Kansas. Lawrence is only 40 minutes from downtown Kansas City, MO.
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Anyone have a map of the current Horizon League?
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(05-09-2017 05:04 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Anyone have a map of the current Horizon League?
yeah I just updated the wiki D-I map today
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I think IUPUI leads the candidate list that also includes IPFW, SIU-E, Robert Morris, and WIU.

My money is on IUPUI.
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(05-09-2017 05:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think IUPUI leads the candidate list that also includes IPFW, SIU-E, Robert Morris, and WIU.

My money is on IUPUI.

Don't think W Ill is even on their list.
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(05-09-2017 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 05:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think IUPUI leads the candidate list that also includes IPFW, SIU-E, Robert Morris, and WIU.

My money is on IUPUI.

Don't think W Ill is even on their list.

I listed them last because I think of them as a fringe candidate. Maybe they get to do a presentation or perhaps even a campus visit but I don't see them getting picked unless someone in the Horizon leadership feels strongly about rescuing the eastern Summit refugees.
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(05-09-2017 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 05:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think IUPUI leads the candidate list that also includes IPFW, SIU-E, Robert Morris, and WIU.

My money is on IUPUI.

Don't think W Ill is even on their list.

There is a "gym issue" with WIU.

The more I think about it Robert Morris could work for the Horizon as a 10th while they still have some interest.

You start throwing UMKC/UNO into the mix and it might water down the Horizon brand.
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(05-09-2017 06:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 05:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think IUPUI leads the candidate list that also includes IPFW, SIU-E, Robert Morris, and WIU.

My money is on IUPUI.

Don't think W Ill is even on their list.

There is a "gym issue" with WIU.

The more I think about it Robert Morris could work for the Horizon as a 10th while they still have some interest.

You start throwing UMKC/UNO into the mix and it might water down the Horizon brand.
Robert Morris football to the Big South or would they drop schollys and go to the Pioneer? Wagner opted to stay in the NEC over taking the MAAC invite because they didn't want to move football.
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(05-09-2017 06:10 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 06:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 05:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think IUPUI leads the candidate list that also includes IPFW, SIU-E, Robert Morris, and WIU.

My money is on IUPUI.

Don't think W Ill is even on their list.

There is a "gym issue" with WIU.

The more I think about it Robert Morris could work for the Horizon as a 10th while they still have some interest.

You start throwing UMKC/UNO into the mix and it might water down the Horizon brand.
Robert Morris football to the Big South or would they drop schollys and go to the Pioneer? Wagner opted to stay in the NEC over taking the MAAC invite because they didn't want to move football.

Sounds like yet another issue.

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What about adding 3:

Robert Morris
Morehead State
SIU-E
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(05-09-2017 06:30 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  What about adding 3:

Robert Morris
Morehead State
SIU-E
I don't see them abandoning the state of Indiana
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rpi conf rank 17 [Summit] #18 [WAC] #19 {Horizon]. take bite out of both them

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(05-09-2017 06:30 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  What about adding 3:

Robert Morris
Morehead State
SIU-E

Robert Morris is a tough fit; they only sponsor six men's sports, and three of those are football, hockey, and lacrosse, which the Horizon League has no championships in. I think most leagues have a minimum number of sports you have to sponsor for men and women to get in. (RMU would have no issues on the women's side.)

If you could convince Bellarmine to bolt from the SoCon, then get NJIT and Howard out of their independent wilderness, plus RMU, Cleveland State, and Detroit, you could form a men's lax championship. But even then, that's only four sports. Not sure that's enough, since I can't find anything on a minimum for conference membership.

Morehead State doesn't fit their MO of large metro/suburb schools. SIU-Edwardsville would be a stretch just because both basketball teams and their baseball team are traditionally quite bad, much worse than IUPUI or Fort Wayne over the long-term.

To me, IUPUI seems like an easy choice. It'd be silly to go to 12 or 14 and not have the school that's within walking distance of your headquarters in the fold, especially when they're no longer playing men's games in The Jungle. Then again, they've been available for some time and the Horizon hasn't picked them up. If they wanted to expand, IUPUI would've been dancing on the ceiling.

I talked to someone from Indiana who actually suggested they could look at the Dakota schools, particularly the xDSUs. If you want quality basketball and fan support, SDSU and NDSU would bring it more so than IUPUI or Fort Wayne, although SDSU doesn't really fit the mold (Brookings is about 60 miles north of Sioux Falls) and is in love with having the tournament in Sioux Falls.

In a perfect world, I think you take IUPUI, Belmont, Omaha, UMKC, and Fort Wayne and split the conference in half. If Belmont has no interest, Robert Morris would be next, and if they can't make it work, look to the Dakotas, or go further into the Northeast and try to pry Canisius and Niagara (both in Buffalo) out of the MAAC, which would make Detroit very happy. Schools like SIUE (greater St. Louis) and even Oral Roberts (Tulsa) would be a last resort.
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(05-09-2017 06:30 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  What about adding 3:

Robert Morris
Morehead State
SIU-E

If you do 3 I think you need IUPUI, IPFW, and SIU-E.
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