(06-08-2017 12:47 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 07:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does that mean you're claiming to have a source in the athletic dept who says the HL is talking with GCU and NM St? If so, fine. I just want that to be explicit.

Yes. A source. Let's leave it at that.

That's fine, but doesn't do anything for me. I won't believe it unless something leaks or officially is announced.

Doesn't make sense, and HL fans should be hoping to shoot it down so as not to drag down the conference just for an outside shot at not being a one-bid in men's bball.

Sorry NoDak, not seeing anything more than opinion and hearsay. That's fine, because this is a message board. Please do continue to post that stuff. But that's all it's worth.

(06-08-2017 02:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 01:28 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 12:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 11:36 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I'm also just fine with the idea that none of IU Indy, Fort Wayne, or Robert Morris help the Horizon, and thus won't be extended invites.

But IMO, that just means the HL has to be patient and sit on the nine they have until a more favorable option around the Great Lakes area becomes open.

Complain to the Phoenix station that reported GCU, NMSU and the Horizon were talking. Obviously it's fake news to you.

Where in the below statement of opinion does it say that NMSU and GCU are talking with the Horizon? Incredible.

By the way, I like how they've "outgrown" the WAC even though they haven't done anything. Good stuff and more proof that intelligent journalists don't exist any longer.

The Horizon League should be the next landing spot for Grand Canyon University. Valparaiso just left the Horizon for the Missouri Valley Conference so there is an opening. The ‘Lopes have out-grown the WAC and the West Coast Conference Presidents aren’t going to take in a For-Profit university. The Horizon has Detroit, Cleveland, and Milwaukee as hub cities for schools within the conference, nothing wrong with that, beats Bakersfield, Cedar City and Las Cruces. As to the idea that travel would be a problem, well, I’d kindly point out at that a direct three hour flight would get GCU into the Horizon about the same or quicker than a flight and bus trip. In a day and age where Universities are struggling with athletic budgets, GCU has to make sure that the Conference they belong to is in great health. Hard for anyone to convince me that the WAC is in that space…

Jerry Colangelo, who has GCU's business school named after him, has said there are other conference opps for GCU. Presume that isn't the Pac12, MWC, WCC or Big West.

Just waiting to hear how that is fake.

Jerry talks a lot as well, and speculates. Jerry wants the WCC.

(06-08-2017 02:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 01:28 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 12:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 11:36 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I'm also just fine with the idea that none of IU Indy, Fort Wayne, or Robert Morris help the Horizon, and thus won't be extended invites.

But IMO, that just means the HL has to be patient and sit on the nine they have until a more favorable option around the Great Lakes area becomes open.

Complain to the Phoenix station that reported GCU, NMSU and the Horizon were talking. Obviously it's fake news to you.

Where in the below statement of opinion does it say that NMSU and GCU are talking with the Horizon? Incredible.

By the way, I like how they've "outgrown" the WAC even though they haven't done anything. Good stuff and more proof that intelligent journalists don't exist any longer.

The Horizon League should be the next landing spot for Grand Canyon University. Valparaiso just left the Horizon for the Missouri Valley Conference so there is an opening. The ‘Lopes have out-grown the WAC and the West Coast Conference Presidents aren’t going to take in a For-Profit university. The Horizon has Detroit, Cleveland, and Milwaukee as hub cities for schools within the conference, nothing wrong with that, beats Bakersfield, Cedar City and Las Cruces. As to the idea that travel would be a problem, well, I’d kindly point out at that a direct three hour flight would get GCU into the Horizon about the same or quicker than a flight and bus trip. In a day and age where Universities are struggling with athletic budgets, GCU has to make sure that the Conference they belong to is in great health. Hard for anyone to convince me that the WAC is in that space…

Jerry Colangelo, who has GCU's business school named after him, has said there are other conference opps for GCU. Presume that isn't the Pac12, MWC, WCC or Big West.

Just waiting to hear how that is fake.

Wrong again. You have to stop doing this. Here is the link to Colangelo's interview.

http://www.sports360az.com/2017/06/46776/

Not once in in the interview does Colangelo state GCU currently has other opportunities. Instead what he says is that he "thinks" there could be movement among several mid-major leagues including the possibility of a new league forming and that could have an affect on schools like GCU. Again, his opinion, no facts.

Oh, and I love how the interviewer provides a link to his earlier opinion piece portraying the opinion piece as proof that there are "rumors" GCU are leaving for a new league. You just can't make this stuff up.

I would suggest reading past this guys headlines. This is not a radio station. It is a website pretending to be a radio station. It is run by one guy who used to be in radio who is trying to draw traffic to his site.

The Baptists want in the Catholic conference?

Well, I guess they took the Mormons on ...

(06-08-2017 03:40 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The Baptists want in the Catholic conference?

Well, I guess they took the Mormons on ...

Guess that means that Pepperdine and Pacific should have been excluded.

Maybe GCU and Denver should approach the Big East:

West - GCU, Denver, Creighton, Marquette, DePaul, Butler
East - Xavier, Villanova, Georgetown, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence

The Big East can then rip the WCC apart by taking St. Mary's, BYU, and Gonzaga. UConn then joins as #16.

(06-08-2017 03:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 02:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 01:28 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 12:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 11:36 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I'm also just fine with the idea that none of IU Indy, Fort Wayne, or Robert Morris help the Horizon, and thus won't be extended invites.

But IMO, that just means the HL has to be patient and sit on the nine they have until a more favorable option around the Great Lakes area becomes open.

Complain to the Phoenix station that reported GCU, NMSU and the Horizon were talking. Obviously it's fake news to you.

Where in the below statement of opinion does it say that NMSU and GCU are talking with the Horizon? Incredible.

By the way, I like how they've "outgrown" the WAC even though they haven't done anything. Good stuff and more proof that intelligent journalists don't exist any longer.

The Horizon League should be the next landing spot for Grand Canyon University. Valparaiso just left the Horizon for the Missouri Valley Conference so there is an opening. The ‘Lopes have out-grown the WAC and the West Coast Conference Presidents aren’t going to take in a For-Profit university. The Horizon has Detroit, Cleveland, and Milwaukee as hub cities for schools within the conference, nothing wrong with that, beats Bakersfield, Cedar City and Las Cruces. As to the idea that travel would be a problem, well, I’d kindly point out at that a direct three hour flight would get GCU into the Horizon about the same or quicker than a flight and bus trip. In a day and age where Universities are struggling with athletic budgets, GCU has to make sure that the Conference they belong to is in great health. Hard for anyone to convince me that the WAC is in that space…

Jerry Colangelo, who has GCU's business school named after him, has said there are other conference opps for GCU. Presume that isn't the Pac12, MWC, WCC or Big West.

Just waiting to hear how that is fake.

Wrong again. You have to stop doing this. Here is the link to Colangelo's interview.

http://www.sports360az.com/2017/06/46776/

Not once in in the interview does Colangelo state GCU currently has other opportunities. Instead what he says is that he "thinks" there could be movement among several mid-major leagues including the possibility of a new league forming and that could have an affect on schools like GCU. Again, his opinion, no facts.

Oh, and I love how the interviewer provides a link to his earlier opinion piece portraying the opinion piece as proof that there are "rumors" GCU are leaving for a new league. You just can't make this stuff up.

I would suggest reading past this guys headlines. This is not a radio station. It is a website pretending to be a radio station. It is run by one guy who used to be in radio who is trying to draw traffic to his site.

This is something that I have been talking about about new conferences forming for bus leagues which would take D2 schools to help out. Northeast have some schools from D2 and 1 from D3 that wants to go D1. Rearrange the schools around since there are about 4 to 5 schools from the CAA that could go FBS. Maine, URI and New Hampshire could get to play schools like Bentley, Merrimack, LIU-Post and Rowan. Maybe some D2 Penn schools to come up?
Several west coast schools are blocked from moving up to D1. The WAC are willing to grab any team that they could get. The other conferences will not touched D2 anymore. I think to start a new conference in D2? It is 7 years without an auto-bid unless you formed the conference from another conference. GAC at D2 had 6 former Gulf South Arkansas schools formed with three former Lone Star Conference schools to form the conference which gave them an auto-bid. I think the same could be said for D1 if the majority of the schools came from one conference. The New Big East is an example that got an invite.

The Southland Conference schools could split into 2, and one could be created without penalty because of the majority of the make up was all from another conference.

Southland:
New Orleans
McNeese State
SE. Louisiana
NW Louisiana State
Nicholls State
Central Arkansas

Add Six more to got to 12 from any of these schools.
Arkansas Tech
Delta State
Henderson State
Southern Arkansas
Christian Brothers
Mississippi College
SE Oklahoma State
Missouri Southern
Missouri S&T
Harding

Southland Texas schools could be called Lone Star Southland Athletic Conference.
They can grab schools from the Heartland, GAC, Lone Star, RMAC and from UTRGV to go to 12. I do think the main core will still get credit for their participations in championship sports.

There are no scholarships in football at Robert Morris, also ro correct an earlier post N Colorado and Sac State have football, so they would not go to WAC.


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(06-08-2017 07:46 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  There are no scholarships in football at Robert Morris, also ro correct an earlier post N Colorado and Sac State have football, so they would not go to WAC.


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Robert Morris do have scholarships for football. They are in the NEC which allows 34. Once Robert Morris leaves, the NEC needs to add new football members. I think they might look at LIU-Post, Bentley and Merrimack for football, and maybe a Slippery Rock, West Chester or Indiana PA. in Pennsylvania.

I stand corrected, that is still a lower number than the main FCS leagues.


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(06-08-2017 03:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 02:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 01:28 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 12:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 11:36 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I'm also just fine with the idea that none of IU Indy, Fort Wayne, or Robert Morris help the Horizon, and thus won't be extended invites.

But IMO, that just means the HL has to be patient and sit on the nine they have until a more favorable option around the Great Lakes area becomes open.

Complain to the Phoenix station that reported GCU, NMSU and the Horizon were talking. Obviously it's fake news to you.

Where in the below statement of opinion does it say that NMSU and GCU are talking with the Horizon? Incredible.

By the way, I like how they've "outgrown" the WAC even though they haven't done anything. Good stuff and more proof that intelligent journalists don't exist any longer.

The Horizon League should be the next landing spot for Grand Canyon University. Valparaiso just left the Horizon for the Missouri Valley Conference so there is an opening. The ‘Lopes have out-grown the WAC and the West Coast Conference Presidents aren’t going to take in a For-Profit university. The Horizon has Detroit, Cleveland, and Milwaukee as hub cities for schools within the conference, nothing wrong with that, beats Bakersfield, Cedar City and Las Cruces. As to the idea that travel would be a problem, well, I’d kindly point out at that a direct three hour flight would get GCU into the Horizon about the same or quicker than a flight and bus trip. In a day and age where Universities are struggling with athletic budgets, GCU has to make sure that the Conference they belong to is in great health. Hard for anyone to convince me that the WAC is in that space…

Jerry Colangelo, who has GCU's business school named after him, has said there are other conference opps for GCU. Presume that isn't the Pac12, MWC, WCC or Big West.

Just waiting to hear how that is fake.

Wrong again. You have to stop doing this. Here is the link to Colangelo's interview.

http://www.sports360az.com/2017/06/46776/

Not once in in the interview does Colangelo state GCU currently has other opportunities. Instead what he says is that he "thinks" there could be movement among several mid-major leagues including the possibility of a new league forming and that could have an affect on schools like GCU. Again, his opinion, no facts.

Oh, and I love how the interviewer provides a link to his earlier opinion piece portraying the opinion piece as proof that there are "rumors" GCU are leaving for a new league. You just can't make this stuff up.

I would suggest reading past this guys headlines. This is not a radio station. It is a website pretending to be a radio station. It is run by one guy who used to be in radio who is trying to draw traffic to his site.

Where was I wrong on that? The Big West and WCC aren't going to restructure for him. Too many posters like above are just so dang arrogant as they know more than poor Jerry. Other low major conferences are not going to let the WAC fold, as they would have full houses with less $'s. The WAC and Big Sky would realign just based on necessity of maximizing their NCAA income and lesser travel.

You mean like a Big Sky and WAC and Summit realignment that I described that you and others shredded me for suggesting it? But Colangelo says there is maybe momentum toward?

Several posters said that was way outside the realm of possibility, but Jerry C confirms that there has been at least in his mind. It was also on mine. Jerry Coangelo didn't make millions by dreaming up absurd dreams and then making them reality.

Here's a shaker and maker that wants things done differently with a new alignment, and posters here are actually so vain as to p*ss on him. No matter what you say, will take Colangelo's opinions vs your facfs.

(06-08-2017 08:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 03:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 02:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 01:28 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 12:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Complain to the Phoenix station that reported GCU, NMSU and the Horizon were talking. Obviously it's fake news to you.

Where in the below statement of opinion does it say that NMSU and GCU are talking with the Horizon? Incredible.

By the way, I like how they've "outgrown" the WAC even though they haven't done anything. Good stuff and more proof that intelligent journalists don't exist any longer.

The Horizon League should be the next landing spot for Grand Canyon University. Valparaiso just left the Horizon for the Missouri Valley Conference so there is an opening. The ‘Lopes have out-grown the WAC and the West Coast Conference Presidents aren’t going to take in a For-Profit university. The Horizon has Detroit, Cleveland, and Milwaukee as hub cities for schools within the conference, nothing wrong with that, beats Bakersfield, Cedar City and Las Cruces. As to the idea that travel would be a problem, well, I’d kindly point out at that a direct three hour flight would get GCU into the Horizon about the same or quicker than a flight and bus trip. In a day and age where Universities are struggling with athletic budgets, GCU has to make sure that the Conference they belong to is in great health. Hard for anyone to convince me that the WAC is in that space…

Jerry Colangelo, who has GCU's business school named after him, has said there are other conference opps for GCU. Presume that isn't the Pac12, MWC, WCC or Big West.

Just waiting to hear how that is fake.

Wrong again. You have to stop doing this. Here is the link to Colangelo's interview.

http://www.sports360az.com/2017/06/46776/

Not once in in the interview does Colangelo state GCU currently has other opportunities. Instead what he says is that he "thinks" there could be movement among several mid-major leagues including the possibility of a new league forming and that could have an affect on schools like GCU. Again, his opinion, no facts.

Oh, and I love how the interviewer provides a link to his earlier opinion piece portraying the opinion piece as proof that there are "rumors" GCU are leaving for a new league. You just can't make this stuff up.

I would suggest reading past this guys headlines. This is not a radio station. It is a website pretending to be a radio station. It is run by one guy who used to be in radio who is trying to draw traffic to his site.

Where was I wrong on that? The Big West and WCC aren't going to restructure for him. Too many posters like above are just so dang arrogant as they know more than poor Jerry. Other low major conferences are not going to let the WAC fold, as they would have full houses with less $'s. The WAC and Big Sky would realign just based on necessity of maximizing their NCAA income and lesser travel.

You mean like a Big Sky and WAC and Summit realignment that I described that you and others shredded me for suggesting it? But Colangelo says there is maybe momentum toward?

Several posters said that was way outside the realm of possibility, but Jerry C confirms that there has been at least in his mind. It was also on mine. Jerry Coangelo didn't make millions by dreaming up absurd dreams and then making them reality.

Here's a shaker and maker that wants things done differently with a new alignment, and posters here are actually so vain as to p*ss on him. No matter what you say, will take Colangelo's opinions vs your facfs.

I made a post a few months back that some WCC schools look at GCU as a possible candidate. It gives the WCC another recruiting grounds and a TV market that they need.

David, that makes some sense, another church school in WCC. They also would give the WCC some much needed depth.


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(06-08-2017 08:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 03:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 02:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 01:28 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 12:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Complain to the Phoenix station that reported GCU, NMSU and the Horizon were talking. Obviously it's fake news to you.

Where in the below statement of opinion does it say that NMSU and GCU are talking with the Horizon? Incredible.

By the way, I like how they've "outgrown" the WAC even though they haven't done anything. Good stuff and more proof that intelligent journalists don't exist any longer.

The Horizon League should be the next landing spot for Grand Canyon University. Valparaiso just left the Horizon for the Missouri Valley Conference so there is an opening. The ‘Lopes have out-grown the WAC and the West Coast Conference Presidents aren’t going to take in a For-Profit university. The Horizon has Detroit, Cleveland, and Milwaukee as hub cities for schools within the conference, nothing wrong with that, beats Bakersfield, Cedar City and Las Cruces. As to the idea that travel would be a problem, well, I’d kindly point out at that a direct three hour flight would get GCU into the Horizon about the same or quicker than a flight and bus trip. In a day and age where Universities are struggling with athletic budgets, GCU has to make sure that the Conference they belong to is in great health. Hard for anyone to convince me that the WAC is in that space…

Jerry Colangelo, who has GCU's business school named after him, has said there are other conference opps for GCU. Presume that isn't the Pac12, MWC, WCC or Big West.

Just waiting to hear how that is fake.

Wrong again. You have to stop doing this. Here is the link to Colangelo's interview.

http://www.sports360az.com/2017/06/46776/

Not once in in the interview does Colangelo state GCU currently has other opportunities. Instead what he says is that he "thinks" there could be movement among several mid-major leagues including the possibility of a new league forming and that could have an affect on schools like GCU. Again, his opinion, no facts.

Oh, and I love how the interviewer provides a link to his earlier opinion piece portraying the opinion piece as proof that there are "rumors" GCU are leaving for a new league. You just can't make this stuff up.

I would suggest reading past this guys headlines. This is not a radio station. It is a website pretending to be a radio station. It is run by one guy who used to be in radio who is trying to draw traffic to his site.

Where was I wrong on that? The Big West and WCC aren't going to restructure for him. Too many posters like above are just so dang arrogant as they know more than poor Jerry. Other low major conferences are not going to let the WAC fold, as they would have full houses with less $'s. The WAC and Big Sky would realign just based on necessity of maximizing their NCAA income and lesser travel.

You mean like a Big Sky and WAC and Summit realignment that I described that you and others shredded me for suggesting it? But Colangelo says there is maybe momentum toward?

Several posters said that was way outside the realm of possibility, but Jerry C confirms that there has been at least in his mind. It was also on mine. Jerry Coangelo didn't make millions by dreaming up absurd dreams and then making them reality.

Here's a shaker and maker that wants things done differently with a new alignment, and posters here are actually so vain as to p*ss on him. No matter what you say, will take Colangelo's opinions vs your facfs.

The topic is IPFW/IUPUI and Horizon expansion. You stated, in error that a radio station and Jerry Colangelo both said GCU are specifically talking to, the online radio Horizon, Colangelo, a conference. Neither did what you said they did.

As for Colangelo. He is stating his opinion that, in general he thinks there may be movement in the future which MAY include the creation of a new mid-major league. He has not one ounce of proof, nor does he state their is proof. Nor does he say he is somehow working behind the scenes to get anything done. It is his opinion, one shared by many who also have no proof or no specifics.

My, OPINION is that there will be movement in the next decade among the mid-majors and I think it will be geographically driven. As the money dries up from TV, CFP and from State leadership long distance conference membership will make no sense. Mid major leagues who branched out will begin to tighten the footprint. You are already seeing it in the Sun Belt, dumping Idaho and NMSU while adding Coastal. The Summit bringing on UND. The MVC choosing Valpo. Expect similar moves from the HL, WAC, Big Sky and CUSA.

(06-08-2017 05:13 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 03:40 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The Baptists want in the Catholic conference?

Well, I guess they took the Mormons on ...

Guess that means that Pepperdine and Pacific should have been excluded.

Did not realize there were other non Catholic schools in the WCC now. Thanks for pointing that out to me, I was wrong to assume that.

(06-08-2017 08:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 03:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 02:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 01:28 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 12:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Complain to the Phoenix station that reported GCU, NMSU and the Horizon were talking. Obviously it's fake news to you.

Where in the below statement of opinion does it say that NMSU and GCU are talking with the Horizon? Incredible.

By the way, I like how they've "outgrown" the WAC even though they haven't done anything. Good stuff and more proof that intelligent journalists don't exist any longer.

The Horizon League should be the next landing spot for Grand Canyon University. Valparaiso just left the Horizon for the Missouri Valley Conference so there is an opening. The ‘Lopes have out-grown the WAC and the West Coast Conference Presidents aren’t going to take in a For-Profit university. The Horizon has Detroit, Cleveland, and Milwaukee as hub cities for schools within the conference, nothing wrong with that, beats Bakersfield, Cedar City and Las Cruces. As to the idea that travel would be a problem, well, I’d kindly point out at that a direct three hour flight would get GCU into the Horizon about the same or quicker than a flight and bus trip. In a day and age where Universities are struggling with athletic budgets, GCU has to make sure that the Conference they belong to is in great health. Hard for anyone to convince me that the WAC is in that space…

Jerry Colangelo, who has GCU's business school named after him, has said there are other conference opps for GCU. Presume that isn't the Pac12, MWC, WCC or Big West.

Just waiting to hear how that is fake.

Wrong again. You have to stop doing this. Here is the link to Colangelo's interview.

http://www.sports360az.com/2017/06/46776/

Not once in in the interview does Colangelo state GCU currently has other opportunities. Instead what he says is that he "thinks" there could be movement among several mid-major leagues including the possibility of a new league forming and that could have an affect on schools like GCU. Again, his opinion, no facts.

Oh, and I love how the interviewer provides a link to his earlier opinion piece portraying the opinion piece as proof that there are "rumors" GCU are leaving for a new league. You just can't make this stuff up.

I would suggest reading past this guys headlines. This is not a radio station. It is a website pretending to be a radio station. It is run by one guy who used to be in radio who is trying to draw traffic to his site.

Where was I wrong on that? The Big West and WCC aren't going to restructure for him. Too many posters like above are just so dang arrogant as they know more than poor Jerry. Other low major conferences are not going to let the WAC fold, as they would have full houses with less $'s. The WAC and Big Sky would realign just based on necessity of maximizing their NCAA income and lesser travel.

You mean like a Big Sky and WAC and Summit realignment that I described that you and others shredded me for suggesting it? But Colangelo says there is maybe momentum toward?

Several posters said that was way outside the realm of possibility, but Jerry C confirms that there has been at least in his mind. It was also on mine. Jerry Coangelo didn't make millions by dreaming up absurd dreams and then making them reality.

Here's a shaker and maker that wants things done differently with a new alignment, and posters here are actually so vain as to p*ss on him. No matter what you say, will take Colangelo's opinions vs your facfs.

There's nothing wrong with opinions and hearsay on message boards, so long as they're recognized as such.

I think the WCC is far more likely than the Horizon League for GCU, for what it's worth.

(06-09-2017 11:06 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 08:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 03:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 02:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 01:28 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  Where in the below statement of opinion does it say that NMSU and GCU are talking with the Horizon? Incredible.

By the way, I like how they've "outgrown" the WAC even though they haven't done anything. Good stuff and more proof that intelligent journalists don't exist any longer.

The Horizon League should be the next landing spot for Grand Canyon University. Valparaiso just left the Horizon for the Missouri Valley Conference so there is an opening. The ‘Lopes have out-grown the WAC and the West Coast Conference Presidents aren’t going to take in a For-Profit university. The Horizon has Detroit, Cleveland, and Milwaukee as hub cities for schools within the conference, nothing wrong with that, beats Bakersfield, Cedar City and Las Cruces. As to the idea that travel would be a problem, well, I’d kindly point out at that a direct three hour flight would get GCU into the Horizon about the same or quicker than a flight and bus trip. In a day and age where Universities are struggling with athletic budgets, GCU has to make sure that the Conference they belong to is in great health. Hard for anyone to convince me that the WAC is in that space…

Jerry Colangelo, who has GCU's business school named after him, has said there are other conference opps for GCU. Presume that isn't the Pac12, MWC, WCC or Big West.

Just waiting to hear how that is fake.

Wrong again. You have to stop doing this. Here is the link to Colangelo's interview.

http://www.sports360az.com/2017/06/46776/

Not once in in the interview does Colangelo state GCU currently has other opportunities. Instead what he says is that he "thinks" there could be movement among several mid-major leagues including the possibility of a new league forming and that could have an affect on schools like GCU. Again, his opinion, no facts.

Oh, and I love how the interviewer provides a link to his earlier opinion piece portraying the opinion piece as proof that there are "rumors" GCU are leaving for a new league. You just can't make this stuff up.

I would suggest reading past this guys headlines. This is not a radio station. It is a website pretending to be a radio station. It is run by one guy who used to be in radio who is trying to draw traffic to his site.

Where was I wrong on that? The Big West and WCC aren't going to restructure for him. Too many posters like above are just so dang arrogant as they know more than poor Jerry. Other low major conferences are not going to let the WAC fold, as they would have full houses with less $'s. The WAC and Big Sky would realign just based on necessity of maximizing their NCAA income and lesser travel.

You mean like a Big Sky and WAC and Summit realignment that I described that you and others shredded me for suggesting it? But Colangelo says there is maybe momentum toward?

Several posters said that was way outside the realm of possibility, but Jerry C confirms that there has been at least in his mind. It was also on mine. Jerry Coangelo didn't make millions by dreaming up absurd dreams and then making them reality.

Here's a shaker and maker that wants things done differently with a new alignment, and posters here are actually so vain as to p*ss on him. No matter what you say, will take Colangelo's opinions vs your facfs.

The topic is IPFW/IUPUI and Horizon expansion. You stated, in error that a radio station and Jerry Colangelo both said GCU are specifically talking to, the online radio Horizon, Colangelo, a conference. Neither did what you said they did.

As for Colangelo. He is stating his opinion that, in general he thinks there may be movement in the future which MAY include the creation of a new mid-major league. He has not one ounce of proof, nor does he state their is proof. Nor does he say he is somehow working behind the scenes to get anything done. It is his opinion, one shared by many who also have no proof or no specifics.

My, OPINION is that there will be movement in the next decade among the mid-majors and I think it will be geographically driven. As the money dries up from TV, CFP and from State leadership long distance conference membership will make no sense. Mid major leagues who branched out will begin to tighten the footprint. You are already seeing it in the Sun Belt, dumping Idaho and NMSU while adding Coastal. The Summit bringing on UND. The MVC choosing Valpo. Expect similar moves from the HL, WAC, Big Sky and CUSA.

I agree, but my reasoning goes like this: there are really two separate sets of "what makes sense". You have what makes sense for football, particularly FBS football, and you have what makes sense for everything else.

As far as the latter goes: flying around the country for confernece games does not make sense. One thing to do an early season tournament or for post-season.

(06-08-2017 08:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Where was I wrong on that? The Big West and WCC aren't going to restructure for him. Too many posters like above are just so dang arrogant as they know more than poor Jerry. Other low major conferences are not going to let the WAC fold, as they would have full houses with less $'s. The WAC and Big Sky would realign just based on necessity of maximizing their NCAA income and lesser travel.

You mean like a Big Sky and WAC and Summit realignment that I described that you and others shredded me for suggesting it? But Colangelo says there is maybe momentum toward?

Several posters said that was way outside the realm of possibility, but Jerry C confirms that there has been at least in his mind. It was also on mine. Jerry Coangelo didn't make millions by dreaming up absurd dreams and then making them reality.

Here's a shaker and maker that wants things done differently with a new alignment, and posters here are actually so vain as to p*ss on him. No matter what you say, will take Colangelo's opinions vs your facfs.

The Big Sky was the #28 ranked conference in the country and the Big West #29 last season. I think neither is attractive to GCU. For GCU, I think they either end up in the WCC eventually or they stick with the WAC and help attract some additional western schools.

The WCC is good at ten schools at this time and they have Gonzaga, St. Mary's and BYU. If they were to expand, Seattle and GCU to get them to 12 makes the most sense. Gets the WCC to 12, both are private schools, both are big TV markets in the west that the WCC is not in. GCU at $4.3 million per season and Seattle at $3.4 million have the two largest basketball budgets in the WAC.

The WAC could add a Denver or Sacramento State and be just fine. Denver belongs in the west and the WAC does not care that they don't bring baseball. The WAC headquarters are in Denver. The Big Sky is down to 11 with the departure of North Dakota. Letting Sacramento State join the WAC for Olympic sports would allow the Big Sky to operate with an even 10 basketball schools. Sac State is already in the WAC for baseball and could move their men's soccer program from the Big West to the WAC.

Colangelo did not say anything that was a surprise or give any indication that GCU had any plans to leave the WAC. Conference re-alignment has been going on for years and will continue in the future. Anyone could predict that and that is all Colangelo was talking about.

If Seattle and GCU joined the WCC, UCSD and CSUB joined the Big West, and NM St went elsewhere ....... I would worry about the mental health of jdgaucho!


And if Denver belongs in the West, then UMKC should belong in the Summit.

Denver fits fine with the Dakotas, Omaha and Oral Roberts. Just as well as they would in a western conference.

(06-09-2017 11:22 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 08:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Where was I wrong on that? The Big West and WCC aren't going to restructure for him. Too many posters like above are just so dang arrogant as they know more than poor Jerry. Other low major conferences are not going to let the WAC fold, as they would have full houses with less $'s. The WAC and Big Sky would realign just based on necessity of maximizing their NCAA income and lesser travel.

You mean like a Big Sky and WAC and Summit realignment that I described that you and others shredded me for suggesting it? But Colangelo says there is maybe momentum toward?

Several posters said that was way outside the realm of possibility, but Jerry C confirms that there has been at least in his mind. It was also on mine. Jerry Coangelo didn't make millions by dreaming up absurd dreams and then making them reality.

Here's a shaker and maker that wants things done differently with a new alignment, and posters here are actually so vain as to p*ss on him. No matter what you say, will take Colangelo's opinions vs your facfs.

The Big Sky was the #28 ranked conference in the country and the Big West #29 last season. I think neither is attractive to GCU. For GCU, I think they either end up in the WCC eventually or they stick with the WAC and help attract some additional western schools.

The WCC is good at ten schools at this time and they have Gonzaga, St. Mary's and BYU. If they were to expand, Seattle and GCU to get them to 12 makes the most sense. Gets the WCC to 12, both are private schools, both are big TV markets in the west that the WCC is not in. GCU at $4.3 million per season and Seattle at $3.4 million have the two largest basketball budgets in the WAC.

The WAC could add a Denver or Sacramento State and be just fine. Denver belongs in the west and the WAC does not care that they don't bring baseball. The WAC headquarters are in Denver. The Big Sky is down to 11 with the departure of North Dakota. Letting Sacramento State join the WAC for Olympic sports would allow the Big Sky to operate with an even 10 basketball schools. Sac State is already in the WAC for baseball and could move their men's soccer program from the Big West to the WAC.

Colangelo did not say anything that was a surprise or give any indication that GCU had any plans to leave the WAC. Conference re-alignment has been going on for years and will continue in the future. Anyone could predict that and that is all Colangelo was talking about.

DU will never go back to the WAC as the WAC is today. GCU is a HUGE issue for them.