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Will The Summit League be reformed as a Northern League??
(05-07-2017 10:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 09:55 PM)billings Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 08:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 07:59 PM)billings Wrote:  montana schools will never give up playing in the northwest and cali. that is where they recruit. you can tell the whole wac thing is dead with this new scheme lol


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So in your eyes the Montanas are married to the mediocrity of Portland St and Sac St. Those are such big names in their own cities, not. Montana recruits heavily the LA metro in basketball. Guess Sac St and NAU get a lot of publicity there. 07-coffee3

The WAC would work but there are fewer moving parts and Liberty has proven that WAC membership isn't needed for FBS.


yep. large alumni base in portland, spokane, slc (weber state) and nor cal with direct air connections. zero alumni base or direct flights in/to the dakotas. aint happening. huge hit on travel and fan base along with recruiting. keep dreaming
Might as well join an NAIA league if that kind of exposure is tactical to the Montanas.

Last year, PSU attracted 728 and 705 total fans to their Montana and Montana St mbb games. An awful lot of Montanans showed up to make it worth it. 01-ncaabbs


it is about football which you also want them to move. nice diversion though.


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(05-07-2017 10:11 PM)billings Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 10:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 09:55 PM)billings Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 08:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 07:59 PM)billings Wrote:  montana schools will never give up playing in the northwest and cali. that is where they recruit. you can tell the whole wac thing is dead with this new scheme lol


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So in your eyes the Montanas are married to the mediocrity of Portland St and Sac St. Those are such big names in their own cities, not. Montana recruits heavily the LA metro in basketball. Guess Sac St and NAU get a lot of publicity there. 07-coffee3

The WAC would work but there are fewer moving parts and Liberty has proven that WAC membership isn't needed for FBS.


yep. large alumni base in portland, spokane, slc (weber state) and nor cal with direct air connections. zero alumni base or direct flights in/to the dakotas. aint happening. huge hit on travel and fan base along with recruiting. keep dreaming
Might as well join an NAIA league if that kind of exposure is tactical to the Montanas.

Last year, PSU attracted 728 and 705 total fans to their Montana and Montana St mbb games. An awful lot of Montanans showed up to make it worth it. 01-ncaabbs


it is about football which you also want them to move. nice diversion though.

Portland State didn't play either Montana last year if fb.
And with Idaho coming in that will still be a frequent occurence.
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Here is a dream scenario for the Summit

NDSU/UND
SDSU/USD
MONTANA/MONTANA ST
IDAHO/IDAHO ST/EASTERN WASHINGTON

Non Football Members
Denver/Omaha/UMKC

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Sacramento St, Cal Davis, Cal Poly
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(05-07-2017 10:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 10:11 PM)billings Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 10:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 09:55 PM)billings Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 08:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  So in your eyes the Montanas are married to the mediocrity of Portland St and Sac St. Those are such big names in their own cities, not. Montana recruits heavily the LA metro in basketball. Guess Sac St and NAU get a lot of publicity there. 07-coffee3

The WAC would work but there are fewer moving parts and Liberty has proven that WAC membership isn't needed for FBS.


yep. large alumni base in portland, spokane, slc (weber state) and nor cal with direct air connections. zero alumni base or direct flights in/to the dakotas. aint happening. huge hit on travel and fan base along with recruiting. keep dreaming
Might as well join an NAIA league if that kind of exposure is tactical to the Montanas.

Last year, PSU attracted 728 and 705 total fans to their Montana and Montana St mbb games. An awful lot of Montanans showed up to make it worth it. 01-ncaabbs


it is about football which you also want them to move. nice diversion though.

Portland State didn't play either Montana last year if fb.
And with Idaho coming in that will still be a frequent occurence.

Yep The fans bitched about it and want the big sky to be smaller and more western based. They want to go to a round robin format due to missing those key fan games.

MSU fans would want a Big Sky of the following and play an 8 game conference schedule where everyone plays everyone and pretty easy travel for oly sports.

UM
MSU
EWU
PSU
UC Davis
SAC State
Idaho
Idaho State
Weber State

Maybe Cal Poly and only miss one team a year.

Summit can Have UNC, SUU and NAU.

IN reality UNC might be the only team interested in Dakota midwestern based league for many reasons. The ideal conference for the montana school is to drop 3-4 from the big sky and stay Northwestern based. The Dakotas are just not on the radar in the west and most are happy UND is leaving and not interested in going back there. The loss of UND will not be mourned in the BIG SKY and they won't be replaced
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(05-07-2017 09:55 PM)billings Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 08:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 07:59 PM)billings Wrote:  montana schools will never give up playing in the northwest and cali. that is where they recruit. you can tell the whole wac thing is dead with this new scheme lol


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So in your eyes the Montanas are married to the mediocrity of Portland St and Sac St. Those are such big names in their own cities, not. Montana recruits heavily the LA metro in basketball. Guess Sac St and NAU get a lot of publicity there. 07-coffee3

The WAC would work but there are fewer moving parts and Liberty has proven that WAC membership isn't needed for FBS.


yep. large alumni base in portland, spokane, slc (weber state) and nor cal with direct air connections. zero alumni base or direct flights in/to the dakotas. aint happening. huge hit on travel and fan base along with recruiting. keep dreaming. montana fans are celebrating the loss of und to avoid that travel mess for oly sports


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Azusa Pacific and Dixie State are not bad in football. Neither are Colorado Mesa and Colorado State-Pueblo. Central Washington and Western Oregon are not that bad at times. Sadly, several Big Sky schools are bad in several sports.
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(05-08-2017 12:00 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Azusa Pacific and Dixie State are not bad in football. Neither are Colorado Mesa and Colorado State-Pueblo. Central Washington and Western Oregon are not that bad at times. Sadly, several Big Sky schools are bad in several sports.

Dixie State has played 11 seasons of NCAA football. Their all-time record is 32-87 overall, 22-50 conference. The first RMAC season in 2016 was the only winning season they have had at 6-5, 6-4 conference. I would say that qualifies at 'not good' instead of 'not bad'. I'm not sure Central Washington and Western Oregon are even fully funded in D2 and if so would have troubles getting scholarship levels up to D1 levels. The RMAC schools are not fully funded yet because the RMAC limit is currently less than the NCAA limit. The RMAC is gradually raising their limit by 2 per year until the NCAA limit is reached in 2019 but that doesn't mean that the schools have to give all 36 scholarships.
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(05-08-2017 01:54 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 12:00 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Azusa Pacific and Dixie State are not bad in football. Neither are Colorado Mesa and Colorado State-Pueblo. Central Washington and Western Oregon are not that bad at times. Sadly, several Big Sky schools are bad in several sports.

Dixie State has played 11 seasons of NCAA football. Their all-time record is 32-87 overall, 22-50 conference. The first RMAC season in 2016 was the only winning season they have had at 6-5, 6-4 conference. I would say that qualifies at 'not good' instead of 'not bad'. I'm not sure Central Washington and Western Oregon are even fully funded in D2 and if so would have troubles getting scholarship levels up to D1 levels. The RMAC schools are not fully funded yet because the RMAC limit is currently less than the NCAA limit. The RMAC is gradually raising their limit by 2 per year until the NCAA limit is reached in 2019 but that doesn't mean that the schools have to give all 36 scholarships.


You have to take into account with what is going on with the NCAA, players want to be paid, and so forth. The NCAA have to reform to take into account what is going on. FBS football could trickle down to the FCS, D2 and D3 that players want to be paid. Arkansas Tech got caught at D2 doing a some type of FCOAs for their athletes in football, both basketball, baseball and softball. Several schools at the D2 got put on probation because of it. If D2 schools want to do this to help out? Then, they could move to D1, or restructure D2 so that they can do a FCOAs. That is why I do see several D2 schools could move up to D1 so that they do not violate D2 rules. I do not know why D2 schools get invited to NCAA D1 meetings in the first place. I think Central Oklahoma might have been caught doing the same thing for their football team.

Schools on probation.
Georgia Institute of Technology Football, men's basketball June 13, 2017
University of Missouri Men's basketball August 1, 2017
San Jose State University Women's basketball October 25, 2017
Georgia Southern football July 2018
La.-Lafayette January 2018 football
SMU men's basketball and men's golf September 2018
Notre Dame football November 2017
Hawaii men's basketball December 2018
University of Mississippi Women's basketball, women's track & field October 6, 2019
University of Southern Mississippi Men's basketball January 29, 2020
Syracuse University Football, men's basketball March 5, 2020
Campbell University Baseball, wrestling August 10, 2017
Texas Southern University Entire athletic program October 8, 2017
Weber State University Football November 18, 2017
Morehead State University Baseball, men's basketball, women's basketball, men's cross country, football, men's golf, women's soccer, softball, women's tennis February 9, 2018
Jackson State University Men's tennis July 1, 2018
Norfolk State University Entire athletic program 2018
Lamar University Men's golf September 21, 2018
Alcorn State University Football, men's basketball, baseball, men's and women's tennis, men's and women's cross country, women's soccer, men's and women's track and field and women's volleyball October 18, 2018
Alabama State University Softball October 19, 2018
Southeast Missouri State University Men's basketball February 11, 2019
Mississippi Valley State University Men's and women's cross country, men's and women's indoor track & field, men's and women's outdoor track & field, and one unnamed sport March 23, 2019
Samford University Baseball, men's basketball, men’s cross country, football, men’s tennis, men’s track and field, women’s soccer, softball April 7, 2019
Southern University Entire athletic program November 15, 2021
University of North Carolina at Greensboro 13 of 17 varsity sports[nf 1] June 24, 2017
Indiana University – Purdue University Fort Wayne Entire program November 23, 2017
Saint Peter's University Men's and women's swimming & diving February 1, 2018
California State University, Northridge Men's basketball December 6, 2019

D2
Arkansas Tech University Entire program June 3, 2017
Lenoir–Rhyne University Men's basketball August 24, 2017
Morehouse College Entire program July 14, 2018
Central State University Entire program March 3, 2019
Seattle Pacific University Women's soccer March 9, 2019
West Texas A&M University Football March 22, 2019
Cheyney University of Pennsylvania Entire program August 20, 2019
Eastern New Mexico University Entire program August 31, 2019

D3
Hunter College Men's volleyball, men's and women's basketball May 25, 2017
Rose–Hulman Institute of Technology Baseball, women's basketball, football, men's soccer, men's and women's track & field December 21, 2017
Thomas More College Women's basketball November 14, 2018
Susquehanna University Football November 21, 2018
Kalamazoo College Entire athletic program March 21, 2019
Baruch College Women's basketball July 1, 2020

The issues with these schools from football, basketball and all that is that the schools gave extra money for scholarships for students because the scholarships have not gone up when dorm, room and board and meals have. As for schools like Central Oklahoma who came off the probation for football? They are losing money when they are not going to post seasons. Arkansas Tech is losing money for not going to post season play.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...cision.pdf

I see what Arkansas Tech and others did was more of FCOAs that the scholarships could not cover. It should be address at all levels on how schools could be better benefit if they do go D1 or implement some sort of FCOAs.
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(05-07-2017 12:24 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Personally, I'd love a MAC-style FBS conference made up of the Dakotas, Montanas and Idaho, but I get the impression that the Dakotas are more interested in looking east and south than west, the Montanas are proven cowards, and our president is a *******. So I don't see how this gets traction.

On paper, a new FBS conference of the Dakota 4, Idaho, Montana's and ... sure, EWU, why not? ... has some merit.

But that's where it stays, on paper. For many, many, many reasons, some of which you list.


(05-07-2017 01:38 PM)Shox Wrote:  The perfect school for this is Wyoming. They would drop football out of spite before doing it but they would fit all sports very well. The other that would work well and balance out Denver is Air Force Olympics if football went to the American.

Wyoming would never leave the remaining WAC schools from the 60's/70's/80's for a FBS startup league of Dakota's, Montana's, and Idaho. Yeah, like you said, they'd sew salt into the football field before that.


(05-07-2017 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  When those three go, getting a DII moveups doesnt do anything for the Summit, as the transitions takes too long.

I think you're thinking of an eight year transition, which I believe is for schools currently outside DII looking to move to DI. St Cloud and Duluth aren't in that situation.

But regardless, which is shorter: eight years or forever? The later represents the time table for Montana's + Idaho joining the Dakotas in the Summit.


(05-07-2017 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  If UMKC repents and comes back, the WAC is suddenly in trouble. Either way one conference loses its autobid unless the Big Sky gives up schools.

If the WAC can present a reasonable plan (say perhaps another couple California schools, maybe UCSD and Azusa), I feel like the NCAA would value the traditional brand enough to give them a waiver. Not like it would do damage to anyone else.
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(05-08-2017 09:16 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  When those three go, getting a DII moveups doesnt do anything for the Summit, as the transitions takes too long.

I think you're thinking of an eight year transition, which I believe is for schools currently outside DII looking to move to DI. St Cloud and Duluth aren't in that situation.

But regardless, which is shorter: eight years or forever? The later represents the time table for Montana's + Idaho joining the Dakotas in the Summit.

(05-07-2017 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  If UMKC repents and comes back, the WAC is suddenly in trouble. Either way one conference loses its autobid unless the Big Sky gives up schools.

If the WAC can present a reasonable plan (say perhaps another couple California schools, maybe UCSD and Azusa), I feel like the NCAA would value the traditional brand enough to give them a waiver. Not like it would do damage to anyone else.

A DII transition to DI takes 4 years. A Summit down to six full teams must add a full member within a two year grace period. A DII doesn't do any good. The NCAA has been strict on that in the past - see the CHA for them losing their mens hockey bid.
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By the letter of the law.

You're either forgetting or ignoring that the NCAA can give waivers, for anything. All it takes is a reasonable plan. No one cares enough about the Summit League to want to deny them that.

A hockey example doesn't prove it. We're talking March Madness here. Keeping an even 32 autobids is enough incentive for the NCAA.



I also still don't buy that WIU would move to the OVC, especially if it had to include football. I think it would still prefer MVFC and Summit.
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(05-08-2017 09:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  By the letter of the law.

You're either forgetting or ignoring that the NCAA can give waivers, for anything. All it takes is a reasonable plan. No one cares enough about the Summit League to want to deny them that.

A hockey example doesn't prove it. We're talking March Madness here. Keeping an even 32 autobids is enough incentive for the NCAA.



I also still don't buy that WIU would move to the OVC, especially if it had to include football. I think it would still prefer MVFC and Summit.

What W Ill would prefer is the MVFC. They don't much like the Summit with its travel costs. Much prefer the Horizon (not happening), the OVC ( but they would lose out on the MVFC), or the A Sun (if the IP schools are gone ).
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(05-07-2017 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  If one of the three of W Ill, IPFW, IUPUI leave, the other two will go too. Even if it's the Atlantic Sun. Face it, travel to Florida is much cheaper that to the Dakotas and much better for recruiting and alumni interest. W Ill and IPFW have been facing major budget crisis, so that's further ammunition to make a change. The IP's have been itching to leave since they got Summit membership, or in the case of W Ill, every founding member has left them. W Ill ideally wants to protect its membership in the MVFC, nothing else much matters. They have never been to a dance in almost 50 years at DI.

When those three go, getting a DII moveups doesnt do anything for the Summit, as the transitions takes too long. UND won't join a six team league unless reinforcements from established DI's are coming. UND will be sitting in the cat bird seat, much to the chagrin of the other Dakotas.

If UMKC repents and comes back, the WAC is suddenly in trouble. Either way one conference loses its autobid unless the Big Sky gives up schools.

Western Illinois, IPFW or IUPUI are going to the A Sun?

Really? The BSC have basically said, don't let the door hit you in the ass. What is UND going to do? Pull a George Costanza and not leave?

You have way too much time on your hands. Have you already forgotten the two year WAC FBS fiasco you made a fool out of yourself by playing up? How about the, UND will never got to the Summit? I would suggest you take the next 6 months off of posting. Your theories are back to crazy land again.

Oh, budget crisis? Does UND not have one? And now you have a Title IX complaint?
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(05-08-2017 11:36 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  If one of the three of W Ill, IPFW, IUPUI leave, the other two will go too. Even if it's the Atlantic Sun. Face it, travel to Florida is much cheaper that to the Dakotas and much better for recruiting and alumni interest. W Ill and IPFW have been facing major budget crisis, so that's further ammunition to make a change. The IP's have been itching to leave since they got Summit membership, or in the case of W Ill, every founding member has left them. W Ill ideally wants to protect its membership in the MVFC, nothing else much matters. They have never been to a dance in almost 50 years at DI.

When those three go, getting a DII moveups doesnt do anything for the Summit, as the transitions takes too long. UND won't join a six team league unless reinforcements from established DI's are coming. UND will be sitting in the cat bird seat, much to the chagrin of the other Dakotas.

If UMKC repents and comes back, the WAC is suddenly in trouble. Either way one conference loses its autobid unless the Big Sky gives up schools.

Western Illinois, IPFW or IUPUI are going to the A Sun?

Really? The BSC have basically said, don't let the door hit you in the ass. What is UND going to do? Pull a George Costanza and not leave?

You have way too much time on your hands. Have you already forgotten the two year WAC FBS fiasco you made a fool out of yourself by playing up? How about the, UND will never got to the Summit? I would suggest you take the next 6 months off of posting. Your theories are back to crazy land again.

Oh, budget crisis? Does UND not have one? And now you have a Title IX complaint?

Some people are just emotionally invested in the Summit. Can you imagine that?
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(05-07-2017 09:55 PM)billings Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 08:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 07:59 PM)billings Wrote:  montana schools will never give up playing in the northwest and cali. that is where they recruit. you can tell the whole wac thing is dead with this new scheme lol


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So in your eyes the Montanas are married to the mediocrity of Portland St and Sac St. Those are such big names in their own cities, not. Montana recruits heavily the LA metro in basketball. Guess Sac St and NAU get a lot of publicity there. 07-coffee3

The WAC would work but there are fewer moving parts and Liberty has proven that WAC membership isn't needed for FBS.


yep. large alumni base in portland, spokane, slc (weber state) and nor cal with direct air connections. zero alumni base or direct flights in/to the dakotas. aint happening. huge hit on travel and fan base along with recruiting. keep dreaming. montana fans are celebrating the loss of und to avoid that travel mess for oly sports


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Both Montana Schools have big alumni bases in Phoenix as well, and Montana recruits Arizona (7 on current roster) with another 15 from So Cal, where NAU is an easy drive.

Outside of Montana, UM's recruits come from CA, WA, OR and AZ.

MSU's are MT and TX (with a few scattered states)
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1) NoDak isn't entering MVFC late because of the MVFC - it is because the Big Sky has schedules made through 2019 already.
2) It is funny how NoDak used to tout the westward look of UND's alumni to justify being in the Big Sky, now dismisses it.
3) Being in a "Northern League" has no value for the Big Sky schools - they don't have alumni, nor recruit the Dakota.
4) Flagstaff is just as close (or closer) to Montana, EWU, Weber, ID as any of the Dakota schools. Same with SUU. - this northern league would INCREASE travel for everyone.
5) The Montana/MSU fans unhappy with the current structure of the Big Sky won't be satisfied with the Dakotas. Only the MWC would scratch that itch.
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Where are the baseball teams for the Summit if both WIU and IPFW go? There aren't any.

NDSU and WIU made a huge bet that a fb-less Summit would be fantastic for their self Interests. What do they think of that moronic thinking now?
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(05-08-2017 11:46 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 11:36 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  If one of the three of W Ill, IPFW, IUPUI leave, the other two will go too. Even if it's the Atlantic Sun. Face it, travel to Florida is much cheaper that to the Dakotas and much better for recruiting and alumni interest. W Ill and IPFW have been facing major budget crisis, so that's further ammunition to make a change. The IP's have been itching to leave since they got Summit membership, or in the case of W Ill, every founding member has left them. W Ill ideally wants to protect its membership in the MVFC, nothing else much matters. They have never been to a dance in almost 50 years at DI.

When those three go, getting a DII moveups doesnt do anything for the Summit, as the transitions takes too long. UND won't join a six team league unless reinforcements from established DI's are coming. UND will be sitting in the cat bird seat, much to the chagrin of the other Dakotas.

If UMKC repents and comes back, the WAC is suddenly in trouble. Either way one conference loses its autobid unless the Big Sky gives up schools.

Western Illinois, IPFW or IUPUI are going to the A Sun?

Really? The BSC have basically said, don't let the door hit you in the ass. What is UND going to do? Pull a George Costanza and not leave?

You have way too much time on your hands. Have you already forgotten the two year WAC FBS fiasco you made a fool out of yourself by playing up? How about the, UND will never got to the Summit? I would suggest you take the next 6 months off of posting. Your theories are back to crazy land again.

Oh, budget crisis? Does UND not have one? And now you have a Title IX complaint?

Some people are just emotionally invested in the Summit. Can you imagine that?

Nope, we're invested in reality. Maybe the problem UND have, and the reason your transition to D1 went so poorly is your administration, at least in the past didn't live in the real world. Thankfully Kennedy does.

Oh, and I trust the SDSU administration. Every decision they have made since moving up has been spot on. Every... single... one. I'll wait to see what they do.
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(05-08-2017 12:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  1) NoDak isn't entering MVFC late because of the MVFC - it is because the Big Sky has schedules made through 2019 already.
2) It is funny how NoDak used to tout the westward look of UND's alumni to justify being in the Big Sky, now dismisses it.
3) Being in a "Northern League" has no value for the Big Sky schools - they don't have alumni, nor recruit the Dakota.
4) Flagstaff is just as close (or closer) to Montana, EWU, Weber, ID as any of the Dakota schools. Same with SUU. - this northern league would INCREASE travel for everyone.
5) The Montana/MSU fans unhappy with the current structure of the Big Sky won't be satisfied with the Dakotas. Only the MWC would scratch that itch.

Montana is still westward looking. Denver certainly is. Could use a fb team in Phoenix, but there aren't any available.

Still contend that any conference with schools east of Minnesota is worthless to us.

Flagstaff and SUU are hellish to fly to.

FBS is what I believe our goal is, but only for a regional consortium of like schools that can actually get fans. That leaves out most of the Sky. They simply don't have fans or alumni givers.
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RE: Will The Summit League be reformed as a Northern League??
(05-08-2017 12:14 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 11:46 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 11:36 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  If one of the three of W Ill, IPFW, IUPUI leave, the other two will go too. Even if it's the Atlantic Sun. Face it, travel to Florida is much cheaper that to the Dakotas and much better for recruiting and alumni interest. W Ill and IPFW have been facing major budget crisis, so that's further ammunition to make a change. The IP's have been itching to leave since they got Summit membership, or in the case of W Ill, every founding member has left them. W Ill ideally wants to protect its membership in the MVFC, nothing else much matters. They have never been to a dance in almost 50 years at DI.

When those three go, getting a DII moveups doesnt do anything for the Summit, as the transitions takes too long. UND won't join a six team league unless reinforcements from established DI's are coming. UND will be sitting in the cat bird seat, much to the chagrin of the other Dakotas.

If UMKC repents and comes back, the WAC is suddenly in trouble. Either way one conference loses its autobid unless the Big Sky gives up schools.

Western Illinois, IPFW or IUPUI are going to the A Sun?

Really? The BSC have basically said, don't let the door hit you in the ass. What is UND going to do? Pull a George Costanza and not leave?

You have way too much time on your hands. Have you already forgotten the two year WAC FBS fiasco you made a fool out of yourself by playing up? How about the, UND will never got to the Summit? I would suggest you take the next 6 months off of posting. Your theories are back to crazy land again.

Oh, budget crisis? Does UND not have one? And now you have a Title IX complaint?

Some people are just emotionally invested in the Summit. Can you imagine that?

Nope, we're invested in reality. Maybe the problem UND have, and the reason your transition to D1 went so poorly is your administration, at least in the past didn't live in the real world. Thankfully Kennedy does.

Oh, and I trust the SDSU administration. Every decision they have made since moving up has been spot on. Every... single... one. I'll wait to see what they do.

SDSU should have dropped four or five sports like we just did. Your school is so bloated with programs that are porly funded. But dropping programs is a political decision that irks a lot of people, including ones that are judicial activists.

When are going to understand that the IP's are not going to act in your best interests. Depending on them and W Ill for the Summit's future is a fools game.
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RE: Will The Summit League be reformed as a Northern League??
(05-08-2017 12:26 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 12:14 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 11:46 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 11:36 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  If one of the three of W Ill, IPFW, IUPUI leave, the other two will go too. Even if it's the Atlantic Sun. Face it, travel to Florida is much cheaper that to the Dakotas and much better for recruiting and alumni interest. W Ill and IPFW have been facing major budget crisis, so that's further ammunition to make a change. The IP's have been itching to leave since they got Summit membership, or in the case of W Ill, every founding member has left them. W Ill ideally wants to protect its membership in the MVFC, nothing else much matters. They have never been to a dance in almost 50 years at DI.

When those three go, getting a DII moveups doesnt do anything for the Summit, as the transitions takes too long. UND won't join a six team league unless reinforcements from established DI's are coming. UND will be sitting in the cat bird seat, much to the chagrin of the other Dakotas.

If UMKC repents and comes back, the WAC is suddenly in trouble. Either way one conference loses its autobid unless the Big Sky gives up schools.

Western Illinois, IPFW or IUPUI are going to the A Sun?

Really? The BSC have basically said, don't let the door hit you in the ass. What is UND going to do? Pull a George Costanza and not leave?

You have way too much time on your hands. Have you already forgotten the two year WAC FBS fiasco you made a fool out of yourself by playing up? How about the, UND will never got to the Summit? I would suggest you take the next 6 months off of posting. Your theories are back to crazy land again.

Oh, budget crisis? Does UND not have one? And now you have a Title IX complaint?

Some people are just emotionally invested in the Summit. Can you imagine that?

Nope, we're invested in reality. Maybe the problem UND have, and the reason your transition to D1 went so poorly is your administration, at least in the past didn't live in the real world. Thankfully Kennedy does.

Oh, and I trust the SDSU administration. Every decision they have made since moving up has been spot on. Every... single... one. I'll wait to see what they do.

SDSU should have dropped four or five sports like we just did. Your school is so bloated with programs that are porly funded. But dropping programs is a political decision that irks a lot of people, including ones that are judicial activists.

When are going to understand that the IP's are not going to act in your best interests. Depending on them and W Ill for the Summit's future is a fools game.

We don't depend on anyone for our future, and our athletic department is just fine thank you. Oh, and in recent interviews neither Justin Sell (our AD) or Matt Larsen (NDSU AD) seem overly concerned about your frantic scenarios. And it is those two schools that run both the Summit and MVFC. What they say, what they do rules.
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