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RE: Penn State doubles down on Paterno
(05-08-2017 09:30 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 09:12 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  I laugh because your are a fanboy apologist for everything to do with the Big Ten and you are intellectually bankrupt. You still can't separate the institution from the football program, probably because they are absolutely intertwined, which is the entire pathetic reason this happened in the first place and similar heinous acts are likely to happen again. Sadly, that makes you no different than a "Joebot". 75% of what you post on this board shows how ignorant you are on nearly every topic you run across. This is no different.

Yeah, my ulterior motive is to keep cults of personality from steam rolling children and other people that need protection from those obsessed with power. Your ilk makes me sick. There is no conversation to be had with people like you.

I was hoping there might be a shred of logic in your response.

Of course there wasn't. You barely even tried to paint me as something other than a Paterno apologist. I've proven to be diametrically opposite of that, and you understand the difference. But you can't think of anything to say, so you lazily and dishonestly just try to pretend that I am one. Because that's who you know how to hate.

And that's all you've ever done on this board -- try to smear anyone who doesn't express an emotional hatred of Penn St, as a child rape and Paterno apologist. Please don't ever accuse anyone of being intellectually bankrupt or disgusting, for the good of your conscience.


(05-08-2017 09:17 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The basis for your argument - athletic programs should not get penalized for the wrongdoing and misdeeds of a university

At this point, I don't know if you still don't grasp my actual position or you're just trying to misframe it as a sort of ad hominem attack. I know you're a really smart guy, so I'm unfortunately leaning towards the latter.

My position is nothing of the sort, and you should know better by now.

(05-08-2017 09:17 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The institution - from a low-level graduate assistant, to the head football coach, to the athletic director, to the President, to the Board - all knowingly and willingly attempted to downplay and coverup the significance of what happened in order to protect its football brand and image.

If stated in a factually correct and honest manner, this statement would read more like "A handful of people at the institution committed a coverup of crimes committed on campus, by a former employee of the school. The coverup itself was a crime, and the actions taken by those individuals were of their own volition."

(05-08-2017 09:17 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If that didn't/doesn't require the intervention of a national body - like the NCAA - then I'm not sure what would.

So convenient for you that the NCAA exists!

All I have to do change it from Sandusky and his foundation, and a locker room, to a former dean of the Chemistry dept and his foundation to get young men involved in STEM, and the sexual abuses occuring in a Penn St chemistry lab ... and *POOF* the entirely basis of your position evaporates into thin air.

Your position is entirely based on convenience.

That there is no "NCAA of chemistry depts" would completely kill your position.


Yet nothing else would change. They'd still be in jail, there'd still have been lawsuits, there'd still have been outrage and a national scandal. Justice still served. Just no "death penalty" possible for the PSU chemistry dept.

You can't rewrite history or change what happened. The fact is that it did involve athletic personnel - coaches and athletic department - inside athletic facilities. By NCAA rule, that does make it an athletic issue. Simply moving goal posts to say "if it were the chemistry department..." is ignoring what happened and shifting the scope of the argument.

The other thing you seem to miss that some (not all) of the crimes committed by Sandusky, on campus, were when he was a current coach of PSU. The university decided it was ok to have his foundation on Penn State grounds. That, again, makes it an NCAA issue.
05-08-2017 09:45 AM
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RE: Penn State doubles down on Paterno
(05-08-2017 09:17 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The institution - from a low-level graduate assistant, to the head football coach, to the athletic director, to the President, to the Board - all knowingly and willingly attempted to downplay and coverup the significance of what happened in order to protect its football brand and image. If that didn't/doesn't require the intervention of a national body - like the NCAA - then I'm not sure what would.

Yes, but...it's on the NCAA and others to define why they needed to do anything. The NCAA's response looked knee-jerk. It didn't have to be. It shouldn't have been.

I'm disappointed by a lot of things the more this rolls on. My alma mater mostly, but the common sense and vigilance of others demanding accountability and objectivity in discovery not too far off. Freeh is just a report. The NCAA, Big Ten, SoPA, and DoE should ALL have conducted their own investigations and reporting on this, and not just let it on PSU's report, no matter what weight the author's name carried at that time (which didn't hold up, if folks noticed).

This whole thing is loaded with fail. Nothing touching it is well done.

I can understand so many alumni from the school wanting to wash their hands of the place completely. Count me as one of them. I don't donate, don't want calls, won't join the Alumni Association; I certainly don't vote for Board members. But look at me b*tch about it, you know? I'm not helping anything in this...but, I could.

It's the same quandry we have with people complaining about the school for getting off from this big thing. Folks, that's not on PSU. The punishment CAME. It couldn't be sustained not because PSU had great lawyers and fought this off. It fell off because those who were charged with enforcing the rules and others who felt compelled to enforce (NCAA) did a piss-poor job of doing so.

It's easy to hate on PSU. Stop sympathizing or scapegoating the NCAA, state, and DoE, though, too.
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RE: Penn State doubles down on Paterno
Bison this is yet another thread where the discussion of NCAA sanctions against a school horribly guilty of covering up crimes, which is the essence of lack of institutional control, has been turned into a non stop ignoring of the opinions, and understanding of others so that in essence a political stance may be maintained by you. Such stances on this board are inappropriate and better suited for the Spin Room. While the matter is obliquely relevant to sports, the persistent nature with which this keeps getting recycled in threads with arguments that extend unresolved for pages is a form of spamming.

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