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RE: Conference Realignment Revisited 2010
(05-03-2017 09:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 08:56 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
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(05-03-2017 04:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 04:24 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The pot for TV revenue is shrinking, and the only way to generate the kind of revenue to effect Realignment is reduce the number of people eating from the pot. The BigXII is most vulnerable because realistically, you could drop half the BigXIi's membership without losing many cable subscribers. Dropping 6 BigXII members to G5 pay frees up some money, but really only about 150M/yr or 10M more for each of the new PAC16. That's still not catching up to the SEC and B1G, but it's really close. Dropping a few PAC members who are also superfluous while adding UT, OU, KU would do the trick. Basically, the only way I see PAC expansion happening is if it's more of a merger with a few schools dropped. That seems improbable, so I don't see it happening.

A PAC-X that eliminates WSU and OSU in favor of UT and OU would work. Add the PAC could add any 2 more (14) and realistically not have to many issues with divisional alignment as Eastern schools would maintain their CA exposure in cross division play due to removing OSU and WSU from that division.


ACC, Big 10, SEC and PAC 12 could trim some of the dead weight back to G5 status.

Duke G5
Wake Forest G5
Virginia G5
Vanderbilt G5
Kentucky G5
Northwestern G5
Purdue G5
Washington State G5
Oregon State G5
Kansas G5
Iowa State G5
Baylor G5
Oklahoma State G5
West Virginia G5
Kansas State G5
Texas Tech G5

Replace with...let's see

NDSU
Boise St.
San Diego State
UC San Diego
Eastern Washington, etc

The teams to be relegated to G5 don't add anything to their conferences since basketball doesn't count. David St get real.04-chairshot04-chairshot04-chairshot04-chairshot04-chairshot04-chairshot

Haven't you heard ... football is the only sport played in college. 04-cheers

Actually more than half of those schools have national titles in baseball, basketball, lacrosse, and rifle.


It is football that counts. Even the Big East is not safe to join the P5 schools if there is a break. I should also add Rutgers, Maryland, Boston College and Syracuse not worth for football either. The idea is for football and not other sports. Duke, Kansas and Kentucky does not have the football to save them.

The NCAA's two biggest money-makers are: #1 Men's Basketball (Men's Final Four), #2 Baseball (CWS). Softball (WCWS), Women's Basketball (Women's Final Four), and Men's Lacrosse (Championship Memorial Day Weekend: D1 Final Four, D2 and D3 Finals) all do very well. These sports are also profit-makers at various schools. But yeah, whatever you think.
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RE: Conference Realignment Revisited 2010
I am missing Missouri in all of these posts, but I imagine they would have gone to the BE. They had received a standing invitation.
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RE: Conference Realignment Revisited 2010
(05-04-2017 01:01 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  I am missing Missouri in all of these posts, but I imagine they would have gone to the BE. They had received a standing invitation.

When?
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RE: Conference Realignment Revisited 2010
(05-03-2017 06:25 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
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(05-03-2017 04:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Will ESPN be willing to spend that money? That is an open question now.

The pot for TV revenue is shrinking, and the only way to generate the kind of revenue to effect Realignment is reduce the number of people eating from the pot. The BigXII is most vulnerable because realistically, you could drop half the BigXIi's membership without losing many cable subscribers. Dropping 6 BigXII members to G5 pay frees up some money, but really only about 150M/yr or 10M more for each of the new PAC16. That's still not catching up to the SEC and B1G, but it's really close. Dropping a few PAC members who are also superfluous while adding UT, OU, KU would do the trick. Basically, the only way I see PAC expansion happening is if it's more of a merger with a few schools dropped. That seems improbable, so I don't see it happening.

A PAC-X that eliminates WSU and OSU in favor of UT and OU would work. Add the PAC could add any 2 more (14) and realistically not have to many issues with divisional alignment as Eastern schools would maintain their CA exposure in cross division play due to removing OSU and WSU from that division.

No one is getting dropped. Once that door is open teams like your and mine will see ourselves out of it in due time. Also no way the state governments allow it's sister schools to vote to kick out the other schools.
I agree that no P5 will drop members. But I think only the B1G and SEC are guaranteed survival. If (big if) those two in collaboration with ESPN/FOX were to go full super league we could wind up with a 50-60 school P2 where some ACC, BigXII, and PAC members get dropped. Your school IMO as a B1G member is in a very, very safe place. But if the B1G wanted to go National by adding the Best of the West I'd be hoping, but far from sure, that Utah could grab one of the final spots.

I don't think it's entirely far-fetched that a P2 could happen. The mechanism would be 1) at end of BigXII GoR dissolve the BigXII and move valuable properties (OU, KU, UT affiliated) to PAC in exchange for Network equity. 2) at end of LHN dissolve the PAC and move valuable properties into the B1G. The UT, OU, KU votes make it so UW, OU can't protect OSU/WSU.

The Pac would be included for west coast exposure.
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RE: Conference Realignment Revisited 2010
(05-03-2017 06:25 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  I don't think it's entirely far-fetched that a P2 could happen. The mechanism would be 1) at end of BigXII GoR dissolve the BigXII and move valuable properties (OU, KU, UT affiliated) to PAC in exchange for Network equity. 2) at end of LHN dissolve the PAC and move valuable properties into the B1G. The UT, OU, KU votes make it so UW, OU can't protect OSU/WSU.

There are no weak schools in B1G. Even Northwestern had some miracle years to excite their supporters. I could also say the same for SEC.
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RE: Conference Realignment Revisited 2010
(05-05-2017 01:36 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 06:25 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 05:08 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 04:24 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 04:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Will ESPN be willing to spend that money? That is an open question now.

The pot for TV revenue is shrinking, and the only way to generate the kind of revenue to effect Realignment is reduce the number of people eating from the pot. The BigXII is most vulnerable because realistically, you could drop half the BigXIi's membership without losing many cable subscribers. Dropping 6 BigXII members to G5 pay frees up some money, but really only about 150M/yr or 10M more for each of the new PAC16. That's still not catching up to the SEC and B1G, but it's really close. Dropping a few PAC members who are also superfluous while adding UT, OU, KU would do the trick. Basically, the only way I see PAC expansion happening is if it's more of a merger with a few schools dropped. That seems improbable, so I don't see it happening.

A PAC-X that eliminates WSU and OSU in favor of UT and OU would work. Add the PAC could add any 2 more (14) and realistically not have to many issues with divisional alignment as Eastern schools would maintain their CA exposure in cross division play due to removing OSU and WSU from that division.

No one is getting dropped. Once that door is open teams like your and mine will see ourselves out of it in due time. Also no way the state governments allow it's sister schools to vote to kick out the other schools.
I agree that no P5 will drop members. But I think only the B1G and SEC are guaranteed survival. If (big if) those two in collaboration with ESPN/FOX were to go full super league we could wind up with a 50-60 school P2 where some ACC, BigXII, and PAC members get dropped. Your school IMO as a B1G member is in a very, very safe place. But if the B1G wanted to go National by adding the Best of the West I'd be hoping, but far from sure, that Utah could grab one of the final spots.

I don't think it's entirely far-fetched that a P2 could happen. The mechanism would be 1) at end of BigXII GoR dissolve the BigXII and move valuable properties (OU, KU, UT affiliated) to PAC in exchange for Network equity. 2) at end of LHN dissolve the PAC and move valuable properties into the B1G. The UT, OU, KU votes make it so UW, OU can't protect OSU/WSU.

The Pac would be included for west coast exposure.

Most of the PAC, anyway.

The ACC, BigXII, and PAC are all underpaid relative to the SEC and B1G. People talk about "placing" enough BigXII members to effect BigXII dissolution, but of the PAC, BigXII, and ACC only the PAC has enough valuable members that one could actually pull dissolution off.

If the B1G or SEC were to go SuperLeague there would be at minimum room for UW, UO, Cal, Furd, USC, UCLA, CU, and one (probably both) of the AZ schools in either a FOX or ESPN league. OSU and WSU would be out and Utah would depend on whether or not it made divisional alignments work. It only takes 9 votes to dissolve the PAC, so it's not like OSU, WSU, and Utah could prevent it. UW and OU might give the dissolution "nay" enough votes until USC threatens to go independent at which point one of UW or UO would cave.

Add 10 PAC schools (minus ORSU and WSU) to either the B1G or SEC and how does that look?
SEC West:
Coast: UW, UO, Cal, Furd, USC, UCLA
Border: ASU, AZ, UU, CU, A&M, LSU
SEC East:
Gulf: Ark, Mizzou, Bama, Aub, Miss, MSU
Atlantic: Fla, UGA, TN, Vandy, SC, KY

That national network has more clout than the current SECN while bringing in all 3 top recruiting states. If ESPN wanted to cut costs to make a. Ew acquisition, this would be a good one.
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RE: Conference Realignment Revisited 2010
They were talking about a P4 22 to 24 team conference.

22x4=88
24X4=96

So, if you go that way? The Big 12 will be pulled apart for the best teams. Baylor might be the only one not included.

AAC=Temple, UCF, USF, East Carolina, Navy, Cincinnati, UConn, Tulane, Memphis, Houston, SMU, could go. Tulsa not so safe and be left out.
Big 12=Baylor is not safe.
C-USA-Southern Mississippi, UTSA, UTEP, Rice, Marshall, Middle Tennessee State, Western Kentucky, Old Dominion are in. UAB would have Alabama blocking them from being part of the P4.
MAC=Northern Illinois, Toledo, Ohio, Buffalo, Miami are hot items right now which those 5 might be valuable. Western Michigan could also be part of the group of P4.
MWC=Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNR, UNLV, New Mexico, Hawaii, Air Force, Colorado State
SBC=Arkansas State, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern could go to P4. The rest would be rejected.
D1 schools?
Maine
New Hampshire
Stony Brook
Dayton
URI
Richmond
UMass.
VCU if they add football
Butler
Georgetown
Marquette if they add football
St. John's if they add football
Villanova
Xavier if they add football
Eastern Washington
Montana
Cal.-Davis
Delaware
James Madison
Towson
Milwaukee if they add football
Youngstown State
Missouri State
Wichita State if they add football.
Jacksonville State
Tennessee State
Jacksonville or North Florida
Army
Navy
Chattanooga
UCA
McNeese State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
BYU
Gonzaga
D2 schools?
Cal.-San Diego

I think you get my drift? I think Big 10 schools are more favorable to AAU schools like MIT, Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins and so forth. PAC 12 the same with the UC system schools.

Big 12, ACC and SEC really seem not to care as much at what level their research are at.
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RE: Conference Realignment Revisited 2010
The idea that elite academic schools with great athletic programs like UVA and Duke would be left out shows a lack of understanding about what drives realignment. Football success is the most important thing but it's definitely not the only thing.
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(05-06-2017 06:54 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  The idea that elite academic schools with great athletic programs like UVA and Duke would be left out shows a lack of understanding about what drives realignment. Football success is the most important thing but it's definitely not the only thing.



That is the old ways, and does not reflect today in what drives people to watch the games. That is why these Presidents and ADs fail on expansions these days.
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